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South Seattle Rep. Eric Pettigrew Proposes Charter Schools

Democratic Rep. Eric Pettigrew calls for charter schools

A bipartisan crew of state legislators led by Democratic state Rep. Eric Pettigrew (D-37, Madrona, S. Seattle, Renton) and state Sen. Steve Litzow (R-41, Mercer Island) introduced a package of education reform bills yesterday; one bill would authorize nonprofits to form charter schools, with a focus on low-performing districts (teachers at charters could join unions); another would authorize the state to take over under-performing schools; and the third would take a teacher evaluation pilot project statewide to all 295 school districts starting in the 2013-14 school year.

The new evaluation system would rate teachers on a range of metrics, including improvements in student achievement—and formally tie teacher tenure, placement, and contracts (and hiring and firing) to those evaluations.

There is a pilot evaluation program in place based on an education reform bill passed two years ago that uses a new four-tiered ranking process, and it’s set to go statewide in 2013-14 as well, but it doesn’t yet mandate the specifics as Pettigrew and Litzow’s bill does, such as: “Student growth data, based on multiple measures, must be included as a significant factor in the evaluation.”

It also specifies that any union contract or school board policy “must contain provisions that require consideration of the results of performance evaluations before other factors such as seniority may be considered,”

The Washington Education Association, the teachers’ union, opposes the bills.

The evaluation bill says non-provisional (non-tenured) teachers must get high ratings for three years during a five-year span to get tenure. And tenured teachers can be put back on provisional status if they subsequently get consecutive poor ratings. Additionally, placement of teachers in particular schools must include the “mutual agreement” between the superintendent, teacher, and principal.

“I see these kids every single day. I see their mothers and grandmothers in the grocery store saying ‘give us an opportunity, help me.’ And this is the opportunity to do that.”—Rep. Eric Pettigrew

The charter bill is the most controversial piece of the package. Voters rejected charter school initiatives in 1996 and 2000. And in 2004, voters rejected charter legislation that the legislature passed.  Gov. Chris Gregoire, even as she proposed a similar teacher evaluation bill in December, told PubliCola she does not support charters.

Rep. Reuven Carlyle (D-36, Queen Anne, Ballard, and Magnolia), a key member of the “ed reform” contingent in the house, was the only one of Pettigrew’s Seattle colleagues to stand with him yesterday, saying he “respect[s] Eric’s passion and conviction” and is signing on to Pettigrew’s evaluation bill. “He has more than five failing schools in his district, and when the only African American in this body asks you to stand with him on this, I’m going to be there to support him.”

Five of the “persistently lowest performing schools” according the state schools superintendent, are in Pettigrew’s district or serve his constituents, including Rainier Beach High School.

However, even Carlyle is not signing on to the charter bill. Carlyle says he thinks it’s too divisive “at a time when we need a united front to deal with the financial implosion in education funding.”

Pettigrew was well aware that he was bringing up a hot button issue. “A lot of people hear ‘charter schools’ and their heads bust up,” Pettigrew said defiantly yesterday, flanked by parents, minority education advocates such as Kevin Washington with the Black Education Strategy Roundtable, a handful of co-sponsors, and representatives from Microsoft, which supports the bill.

Pettigrew is not on the education committee and his proposal reportedly irked education chair Sharon Tomiko Santos, Pettigrew’s 37th District seatmate. The 37th District Democrats, in fact, voted 22-2 in favor of a resolution opposing charters earlier this week.

“It is hard to be here bucking against the system the way it’s always been done. But when it’s done for the right reason, when it’s done for kids and the most vulnerable … when it’s our obligation as leaders to make sure every single child has an opportunity to succeed, it’s well worth the fight, the struggle,” Pettigrew said. “It’s an honest dialogue about how we can help these kids, not in the future, but right now so they don’t have to end their lives in Monroe prison or on our coffers.”

“I see these kids every single day. I see their mothers and grandmothers in the grocery store saying ‘give us an opportunity, help me.’ And this is the opportunity to do that.”

“The public will not continue to accept business as usual when for African American and Latino students in our state the chances of graduating high school are no better than flipping a coin,” said Shannon Campion, Executive Director of Stand for Children, an Arne Duncan-style education reform group that supports the package of bills. “The time has come to make meaningful changes so our system meets the needs of all kids.”

The union objects to the bills for several reasons. For starters, Washington Education Association spokesman Rich Wood says teachers weren’t even at the table helping to craft this bill. “Wouldn’t you want the practitioners helping to inform changes as dramatic as this instead of forcing it down our throats?”

Specifically, Wood says layoff decisions shouldn’t be tied to evaluations. “That’s a separate issue. Now, all of a sudden,  the evaluation system that’s supposed to make teachers better puts teachers in competition for a position.”

The union supports the existing pilot project, which also establishes a more nuanced evaluation rating system with more possible rankings than the current two-tiered system. And it can use student achievement data in evaluations. But Wood calls the supporters of the bill are “misguided” because the evaluation system is designed, he says, as a carrot to use student data to make teachers better—not as a stick for layoffs.

He also says the details of teacher evaluations within the new four-tier structure should be hashed out at the district level, not a one-size fits all level. “On the one hand, with the charters bill, they’re saying they want to tailor schools to special needs, but on the other, with the evaluations, they want a one-size fits all model.”

After Pettigrew’s press conference, Pam Kruse, a 5th grade teacher in South Tacoma at Collins Elementary, a high-poverty school, said, “I am disgusted by everything I heard today.” Challenging the one-size-fits-all evaluation model, Kruse asks, “Are you going to tell me I’m failing because 14 of my kids didn’t meet the reading standard? No, that means I work harder with those 14 kids.”

5th grade teacher Pam Kruse

As for charters, Kruse said: “Everything they said about innovative schools—are they saying I’m not innovative? They talk about fully funding education, yet they [also] talk about taking money away from my kids. I don’t have enough desks. Why are we taking money away and giving it to something else. Give us the money we need to do our jobs.”

As for the critique that schools are failing, Kruse said: “Fund public education. Pure and simple. Put the money where we need it. Allow us to have small class sizes.”

Black Education Strategy Roundtable steering team member Kevin Washington, who also took the mike during Pettigrew’s press conference, flatly disagreed: “As a taxpayer, I’d love to be able to throw more money at teachers, [but] that alone is not the issue.” He said the proposals put the guidelines in place, “so that [teachers] can do the job that the entire community expects from [them].”

The seemingly intractable divide was best captured when state Sen. Rodney Tom (D-48, Bellevue), another Pettigrew reform ally, addressed the issue of putting the charter question to another public vote  to see if voters had changed their minds and agreed with legislators now. Tom said education was too important to subject to a plebiscite. “Our Supreme Court was very clear. Education is the paramount duty of the state, and it’s high time that we take care of that here in Olympia,” he said. “I don’t think education is one of those things we take a gamble with.”

The statement drew sustained applause from the crowd around him who supported charters.


  • be flexible

    So, these legislators join Obama, Andrew Cuomo, mayors of cities like DC and Newark and others in ed reform movement.

    Good Democrats all.

    We should give charters a try.  As for teacher evaluation system, yes, the teacher needs to be evaluated on merit how else would we arrive at a world where the great ones make $125K?  which they are well worth.

    Note:  teacher quality of course isn’t the sole determinant of outcomes, we need a whole political and social structure more like Finland, Sweden, Germany or other nations that care to educate their populations, provide safe neighborhoods, pay for child care, provide health insurance that whole socialist thing.  It’s not either or.

  • FrequentPoster

    Uh-oh, looks like the Negroes are steppin’ off the plantation. What’s a Smugster to do?!

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Uppity blacks want what white parents have – choice in good schools. Hopefully the teacher unions will put a stop to them.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “ we need a whole political and social structure more like Finland, Sweden, Germany”

    Barring invasion, I’m not sure how you turn America into Germany.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “ we need a…..social structure more like Finland, Sweden, Germany”

    Or do you mean 95+% white?

  • Melissa Westbrook

    Okay, a few thing to explain.

    One, we, as a state and as voters, have examined this issue…three times.  I’m supposing that Rep. Pettigrew thinks the voters are just stupid.  We’re not.  It’s still a bad idea and the data shows that, overall, charters do NO better than traditional public schools (or even worse). 

    Second, we have no money for this.  Money follows each student.  So as the Supreme Court has just told us that the state is not fully funding education, now is the time to bring on-line more underfunded schools (and further thin the money pot for education)?  And, the money needed for the infrastructure for charters comes out of the money allotted to charter students.  That means more money to administration and bureaucracy, not education.  And, of course, if you are a Tea Party person, you should hate charters because it’s more government, not less.

    Third, have you read this bill?  It allows FOR-PROFIT companies to run the non-profit charters (a non-profit has to start the school but can turn over the management to others). 

    If the majority of an already existing school’s parents OR teachers vote to close the school and have a charter take over, it can be done.  Sort of our own parent trigger (that is creating confusion in California).

    Fourth, the Legislature, just last year, passed not one, but TWO innovation schools bills.  They are already taking application for innovation schools at OSPI.  Can’t we wait and see how that works first?

    Lastly, there IS movement in better directions (at least in Seattle).   Mercer Middle School was a low-performing middle school and went off script as far as their teaching and school day.  They are doing really well, across the entire student body.  No charters needed.  We have foreign language immersion schools in Seattle (something that they have in other states only through charters).  No charters needed.   Longer school day?  Two of our elementaries have them, no charters needed. 

    All the things a charter can do, any traditional can do.  BUT it takes a district and labor leaders to work together.  In Seattle, the School district and SEA are poised to sign an agreement for more flexibility and autonomy for schools to get better academic outcomes.  No charters needed.

    We are moving in the right direction.  The state is supporting that direction with its Innovative schools laws. 

    We do not need the loss of funds to our schools (as they are already underfunded and suffering from cuts) that will come with charters.  We do not need the bureaucracy that comes with charters. 

    Does the fourth time have to be the charm?

  • Local Yokel

    I don’t lean toward charter schools, but I’ve been following the success at Green Dot Public Schools (www.greendot.org) since I read a profile of the founder and the organization in The New Yorker.  It’s behind a pay wall so I didn’t link to it.  This organization has achieved remarkable results taking over chronically under-performing schools.  Within the communities they serve, their schools have become highly desired and they receive more student applications than they can admit.

    The success of this one organization doesn’t mean that all charter schools will succeed.  And, it certainly doesn’t address how a public district would deal with the loss of funding and the potential negative ramifications that a loss of funding would have on the remaining schools and students.

    But, the success of Green Dot, and my experience with one of my kids attending a piss poor Seattle public high school, has opened my mind to the possibility that charter schools may be a component of worthwhile education reform.  At the very least, I think it’s time we have the conversation again.

    Just a couple of the many things that they do:

     - Require incoming freshman to go to summer bridge for July and August

     - Require 35 hours a year of parent volunteer hours

     - “Green Dot is the only non-district public school operator in California with unionized teachers”

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “Does the fourth time have to be the charm?”

    Hopefully. Or should only white, middle class voters get the ‘choice’ of good schools?

  • first describe it

    pretty easy — much of what germany does came from our taking over germany after the war…it’s the best thinking of the new deal….but to answer the question how do we get there, we start by pointing out morons like you are morons, and they got lots of good things over there.

    what exactly is your objetion to lower unemployment, a stronger economy and high exports?

    oh wait, american right wingers love to just be ignorant yahoos.  noted.

  • um….

    no, and stop being a racist yahoo.

  • relax amiga

    while you make some good points you don’t address teacher eval really, and there’s no need for any blanket condemnation of those proposals.

    try a few charter schools, it won’t kill you.

    are you saying Barack Obama and Andrew Cuomo and Fenty and Booker are dumb?

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Well unlike you, this moron is an actual European (ex), and loves living in the US because it is not Europe. Now, it’s a wonderful place to visit, but as a place to live, work, start a business and be successful, ambitious and independent? It’s awful.
    So no, I don’t want to be German. I spent a whole summer there in 1985 studying German only to realize they are even more unpleasant, dull  and uptight in their own language. Besides, if we want to be more German we’ll have to learn to hate foreigners more.”american right wingers love to just be ignorant yahoos.”I can guarantee I speak more foreign languages than you, have lived in more foreign countries than you, and have traveled to more countries than ever will. But I’m sure you think your politics simply make you the most cosmopolitan man on the block especially as you listen to the Beeb and read the Guardian and Der Speigel online occasionally and enjoy the occasional bowl of pho.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Pointing out that Nordics and Teutonics refuse to accept large numbers of non-whites into their nations makes me racist?

  • Iconogasm

    Ugh. Why the fuck why? 

  • personalize much?

    1. well jolly good for you.  je vous felicite quelle que shose la.
    2. it’s awful, really?  Germany has lower unemployment, a stronger economy and more exports than us.  the working class there does better and you can’t go bankrupt from medical bills the way many do here.  lots of things to admire.  
    3. they are unpleasant:  um, not an essential part of their social system dumkopf. 
    4. you can’t guarantee shit about me.
    5. if they hate foreigners, duh, am not saying take up that part, duh.
    6. why do you personalize this debate?  it’s not really about you, that’s so yahoo ish, and moronic. 
    7. I don’t read german don’t like pho don’t know who the beeb is.  what I know is facts like their unemployment rate, the basic fact their taxes are higher than ours, the basic facts like their health care system actually covers people and ours doesn’t, the basic fact that while we have vst portions of our population….not doing so well….over there?  they don’t.  Yessir, they do working class better than we do — we throw them to the fucking wolves, we fail to educate or prepare them and to our own detriment too cuz how we gonna pay this debt down if we have 25 million underemployed and not really trained to do jack shit in a global economy?
    8. your attitude is a bit germanic, am not saying to incorporate the authoritarian strutting outlook you seem to have.  more language than me.  yeah, andyou speak drivelish in all of them.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “pretty easy”

    Yes, it’s easy for one country to simply copy another country’s political and social structure. Ignore all that history that makes nations’ social and political systems unique, specific and different, we can just wish ourselves German.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Well, I suggest you move there, and like most immigrants to Germany, learn to use a mop. Of course, that’s if you get work papers.

    “they are unpleasant:  um, not an essential part of their social system dumkopf. ”

    Spoken like someone who has never lived outside the good ol’ US of A.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “why do you personalize this debate?”

    Says the man who called me an ‘ignorant yahoo’ and then flattered himself with some high school French (prep school by my standards).

    Now get a passport and go see the world a little. You might learn to love this country I’ve adopted as my new home a little more.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “vst portions of our population….not doing so well….over there?  they don’t”

    Talk to some Turks in Bonn next time you’re there.

  • UncleJesse

    The NAACP says no to charters.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “what I know is facts like their unemployment rate”From 1991 until 2010, Germany’s Unemployment Rate averaged 9.73 percent reaching an historical high of 12.10 percent in March of 2005.And since the German economy is about to hit the wall as they are forced to defend the Euro and rains taxes still further to bail out the PIGS, growth in Germany this year will be slower than in the US with rising unemployment.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “what I know is facts like their unemployment rate”

    From 1991 until 2010, Germany’s Unemployment Rate averaged 9.73 percent reaching an historical high of 12.10 percent in March of 2005.

    And since the German economy is about to hit the wall as they are forced to defend the Euro and rains taxes still further to bail out the PIGS, growth in Germany this year will be slower than in the US with rising unemployment.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “the basic fact their taxes are higher than ours”

    Yes, middle income earners are taxed around 50% of their income. In the US, middle income earners pay 30%. Now, if you want to give away half your income to taxes, be my guest. 

    It probably explains why you see so many Germans on the beaches of Sri Lanka having 1 week package holidays in rat infested hotels for $500, and still refusing to tip the waiters.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “ we fail to educate or prepare them”

    By the way, did you miss the results of the PISA (published by the OECD) study in 2000? It showed that the “knowledge and skills of German students were consistently below the performance of US students”. 

    Fancy that. Might explain why most of my German friends have put their kids into private schools.

  • Westello

    Are you referring to choice within public schools or a choice to go private? Public education WAS never created to give choices.

  • Westello

    I think Obama made one of his biggest mistakes in choosing his friend, Duncan. Arne is all about Ed reform for reform sake without real proof it will work. Open the door to charters and you will see it as mor of a PAndora’s box.

  • Paige

    In Seattle right now middle class white people get great schools.  The rest get a mess.  Your kids go to a great school.  You are luckier than most of us.  We want great schools to.  Give our kids a chance, Melissa.  This is a great idea.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Who listens to the NAACP anymore? They’re 25 years too late and a dollar short.

  • Anc

    While the middle class there pays more in taxes, what happens when you throw college (paid for in Germany) Medical (paid for in Germany) higher transportation costs in the US, etc. etc. into the mix.  

    I loved my time living in Germany, found the people very welcoming and friendly (then again, I’m just not a natural asshole).

    Of the 2 other non-US countries I’ve lived by far my favorite.   Heidelberg (where I went to school) was definitely a great place to live.  

  • Anc

    Oh, and you do realize that German’s have school choice don’t you?   They have a voucher system where about 92% IIRC of the cost of student goes with them (it’s not 100% in order to keep some money back for the special ed students) with the remaining difference being picked up by the churches (most private schools are parochial and unless you fill out a form renouncing your faith, whatever church you belong to automatically takes a small cut of your wages). 

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Back of the bus for you Paige, gotta protect the unions you know.

  • fount

    I understand your anger at the disparities in our school system. But can you point to any evidence showing that charter schools do better for children’s educational outcomes?

  • fount

    I’m not certain what I think of ed reform in general, but you’re right about Arne Duncan — the guy has exceptionally little experience in education…and was a basketball player in Australia prior to becoming Secretary of Ed.

    I do wish ed reform folks would show data instead of point at the theory of economics — “choice is good,” “competition fosters innovation,” blah blah. If that’s all so true, show us show damn data.

  • Anonymous

    There is nothing that a charter can do that a public school can’t do; this is the point of alternative, innovative, and STEM schools.

    This bill is designed to allow private companies to profit from school creation, to undermine the teachers’ union, and to provide the illusion of reform. 

    Not only is the research clear that students in public schools have a better chance of success over students in charters, but also the teacher evaluation inclusion is a red herring. The current teacher evaluation law (6696) is designed to be a system of teacher improvement, not competition. 
    If teachers must compete for test scores, two things will most definitely occur. 

    Firstly, the curriculum will be constrained meaning less will be taught that is not on the test. This means the test better be the best written, all-inclusive test because teachers will only teach what is on it. The test better be perfect.

    Secondly, teachers will no longer collaborate. Experienced teachers will not mentor younger teachers, student-teachers will find it impossible to find teachers willing to share a classroom, teachers will not share successful ideas with one another, and so on. When the central purpose of teaching goes from student improvement to saving one’s job, the performance and culture of educators will fundamentally change for the worse. 

  • Melissa Westbrook

    One thing that people are missing here – this is not “oh, just open a few and try.”  No, this is a WHOLE new level of bureaucracy and fundamental change for school districts. 

    Are you okay with for-profit companies coming in and running public schools?  Because that would be allowed under this bill. 

    Are you okay with immigrant parents being manipulated (as they are in California) to sign a petition for a charter to take over their existing school?  It’s one thing if parents are in agreement about this; it’s another when they are told that the school is now going to be asking for proof of citizenship in order to get them to sign a petition.

    And you read the bill, right?  While it makes allowance to try to make sure charters are opened to serve economically disadvantaged students, that’s not the only group that could be served.  The big fight now in  New Jersey is that in the wealthier suburbs – gasp! – charters are being opened and draining money from their district. 

    Also, feel free to Google charters and see that one of the biggest raps against them (beyond their ineffectiveness) is lack of accountability and lack of innovation.  Even UW’s Center for Reinventing Education (a charter thinktank) has tsked, tsked over the lack of innovation. 

    Do not take this lightly; it is a huge undertaking.  

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Spoken like a good union hack.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “Do not take this lightly”

    We won’t.

  • Anonymous

    If a personal attack is all you have, then you have nothing.

    Do you have an argument or just a baseless belief? Refute the argument.

  • personalize much?

    okay bmwl.
    1. you said unpleasant not me dumkopf.
    2. mop comment: a hominem much?
    3. I have lived abroad thank you. lived in europe, lived in central america, traveled in asia, too.  what does me living abroad have to do with the fact that germany has a better credit rating than the usa, lower unemployment, better policies for workers, and a better plan and results on exports as a way to deal with globalization?  why it’s as if you are afraid to debate hte relevant facts.  it’s a modest point:  we could learn a bit from them.  You say nay?  um that’s rather stupid.
    4. my calling you yahoo was a proper ad himinem, tying you to an entire class of yahoos. 
    5. my “french” was obviously not even correct.  irony fail by you.  typical yahoo.
    6. um, i went to catholic school two years other than that public schools K-12.  no prep schools.  but if i seem like one, why thank you.
    7. turks in bonn are in no way comparable to the vast poverty and despair many white and black people have in america, we are quite cruel to certain sectors of the population here. 
    and again:  are you really trying to argue that in germany the policies toward the bottom 20% are WORSE than ours?  that’s really stupid bmwl.  everyone knows workers, poor in germany do better than here.  that is your whole philosophy, freedom, market blah blah blah if you aren’t rish enough to have health insurance fuck you. why do you run away from your own philosophy?  can’t stand its implications I guess.
    8, german unemp. i slower than ours.  their credit rating is higher.  their debt as compared to gdp is lower.  they are so strong they are ABLE to bailout others.. are you really trying to say our economy is doing better at globalization than germany?  that’s quit stupid. yes their taxes are higher perhaps that is related to the fact their credit is better and their society is better moron.  yes, we should pay more.  becuase then you get more and your debt is handled better also infrastructure, eduation and health and crap like that that’s the point.   now you sem to agree with me. you’re so confused you will just say anything, even when you agree. 
    9. here’s the point dumkopf yahoo.  in germany they pretty much educate everyone….they do not have the massive 25% or 50% failure rates we have in many school districts here..they do good at making the lowest quintile and the second quintile rather fucking productive, employed, able to be skilled workers.  they have plenty of millionaires.  i see yo uhave many friends putting kids in private schools..well fucking mazeltov, that’s my point too — they have plenty of rich people over there too.  what they do NOT have is an entire bottom half of the population with DECLINING LIVING STANDARDS moron.  they are going up.  we are going down.  stop being such a yahoo and learn a bit from them, many of the features of their society we’d do well to implement here.  why is this simple, basic conclusion so threatening to you?  what a yahoo. 

  • bmwl mushbrain

    okay bmwl.  let me make it simple for you.   in germany they pretty much educate everyone….they do not have the massive 25% or 50% failure rates we have in many school districts here..they put more into education health welfare taxes gummint the whole socialist shebang, the result is they are able to carry debts of other nations, they have less unemployment than we have today, they do better at exports, those are the facts.  and this:  they do good at making the lowest quintile and the second quintile rather fucking productive, employed, able and skilled workers. so, hello! their schools to jobs system is working better than ours.  (btw,  they have plenty of millionaires.  i see yo uhave many friends putting kids in private schools..well fucking mazeltov, that’s my point too — they have plenty of rich people over there too.  so what’s not to like?) 
    now compare to us.  huge failure rates in schools.  many millions here are hungry, broke, poor, unemployed….what we have here in the good old usa, due to yahoos like you, is an entire bottom half of the population with DECLINING LIVING STANDARDS so congratualtions way to go yahoo.  germany,  they are going up.  we are going down.  brilliant.  then i come round and say hey take a lok over there, maybe learn a bit from them, many of the features of their society we’d do well to implement here. 

    why is this simple, basic conclusion so threatening to you?  leading you to start trying to guess how many languages you speak compared to me and crap like that?  jesus,. you are a total yahoo.    or as we used to say when i lived in yoorope, cervelles d’hotdog. 

  • yahoo refuted again

    i dunno yahoo.  we went over there and sort of told them how to organize themselves, remember?  it worked out pretty well.

    even their worker councils were our idea.

    so yes, nations can learn from each other.  unless they are full of yahoo ignoramuses like you saying things like the proposal is to “wish ourselves German.”  straw man much?  we were talking about the need for ed reform and I said it has to be accompanied by the full panoply of that yoorpean socialism stuff.   I think it does.  Look at the most successful nations ducation wise, they do not all the bottom 40% of the population to rot and fail the way we do, they usually achieve this with highe rtaxes and mor social programs as part of the mix, QED that shit works, end of debate.  no matter how many languages you personally speak yahoo.

  • um…

    no, your racist attempt at “explanation” shows you are a big old racist, yahoo.  the argument that “that natio is more homogenous” is racist as in effect you’re saying we have to give up trying to suceed cuz we have racial diversity, thus you are blaming black people, which is like racist dude, so stop with the racism.  it’s racist.   

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Yes, but we had to carpet bomb into this. Is that what you suggest for Spokane?

  • Neo-Realist

    Most people around here solve the problem of getting their kids in a good school by moving to the eastside–Mercer Island, Issaquah.  If you can’t buy, rent.  If it means getting the kid or kids in a better public school environment, make the sacrifice.

  • no bombs required

    1. suggest we learn something from other places with better outcomes.
    2. reply is “you are suggesting to carpet bomb spokane!!!!”
    3. my reply:  you are a yahoo ignoramus.  The basic idea is simple:  we are NOT so hot anymore, some other places do some shit better than us.  Is that so difficult to understand you have to twist the notion of learning from real world examples into bombing spokane first?

    what a total moron. 

    btw I note you don’t refute the basic points.  Germany being strong enuf and w stronger credit rating — they’re doing something right.  Maybe learn from it instead of being so uptight you can’t even be rational?

    oh wait, yahoos live in fantasy utipias, generalize false worlds from their own anecdotes, resist logic, facts, argument, and simply blather any old nonsense in response like bombing spokane.

    dumkopf:  we already own spokane, they already have elections there, you can already put into place new policies by doing stuff like using free speech to talk in places like this site to raise ideas and then overcome ignorant yahoos like you who have no good response.  So no, am not advocating bombing spokane.  Also, the neo nazis over there aren’t really strong enuf to require de nazification if that’s your next level of response yahoo.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    But you apparently have no problem with German and Nordic racism, which unlike the USA, refuse to accept large numbers of foreigners.

  • Fuck

    Do you have any evidence that charter schools outperform public schools? Ask the Washington Post how their investment in Edison for profit schools is doing.

    And the white…question. Only one way to respond to that race baiting–Go Fuck Yourself Doggie!!

  • Fuck

    Is that your role here doggie–race baiting and union bashing? As a troll you need more practice.

  • PAUX

    Give charters a try? They have been tried and for the most part are lacking, but they get the public money to do so. The charter promotion is backed by the corporate side….do you think they have the “children’s benefit” in mind? These politicians have kissed the wallets of the corporate side and it is not for the children. Fund our “public” schools, make them work for all of us and all of the children. Charter schools can take whom they want, the individuals with disabilities and other issues do not have to be accepted, thus our public schools will continue to work with these students but with less means to do so. Just the idea that these “representatives” of ours do not want another vote on this issue by us the voters show that they are not working on our behalf. State senator Rodney Tom from Medina stated that he wanted to legislate and not put this up for the public because he was “not willing to risk defeat”. It is our money, we need to have a say.

  • PAUX

    They are not dumb, they are just adding to their corporate backers bottom line. No Privatization of our schools, put the added expense toward making OUR schools better. Don’t you get it,this is a privatization scheme, that has not shown to be any better for the education of our children but takes away from what they can have. If a charter school buys a building for their school in in years ahead fails, they can sell it and keep the proceeds, this has happened. Our schools were working very well prior to the 1980″s….figure it out. In the 60′s and 70′s there were huge classes (baby boomers) but the education was good and the drop out level was less than it is now with much less students. Keep our money in the public arena and in our public schools.

  • PAUX

    They also can take whom they want and deny others for any reason.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I personially support charter schools. I support more choices for parents. Charter schools, private schools and homeschooling should not only be allowed but encouraged. Remember that it is not the responsibility of the goverment to be the educators of children but it is the responsibility of parents. I know that we need public schools for those who cannot afford to send there kids to private school and do not have the abality to homeschool. Charters will allow those parents who feel that the schools options they have are not good enough. It could be that they feel that the school is underminding parental authority (which trumps school and teacher authority, or at least should).

    That being said, we have voted on this three times. The people said no. If we are going to have charter schools it needs to come from a vote of the people.

  • running out of arguments

    hey bmwl, fuck you.  No one supported german racism.  I clearly said we need the social support systems taxes and stuff like that they got in germany.

    your intense desire to argue anythign I say now leads you to being antiracist and pro immigration – clearly you have no principles at all other than this core right wing stupid persona that includes hitting back, however stupidly, at anyone challenging your nonbeliefs.

    if i tell you i am an amercian patriot, i guess you’re now going to blame me for everything wrong the usa has done?  what?

    btw germany “accepts” large numbers of foreigners by…being in the fucking euro union or community whatever it is, they HAVE TO ACCEPT every fucking spaniard, portugese and pretty soon turks, not to mention poles etc.  hello~?  you’re accusing europe of being intolerant?  what?  they made a union.  germany also accepts greece and other folks by — hello!!!! — giving them billions worth of bailouts.  jesus.  you’re like newt ginrich suddenly adopting liberal memes.  what a yahoo thou art, all this because someone said “hey they do some stuff better over  there in germany and finland, it’s not just ed reform, let’s learn something” apparently this triggers something in you like pavlov’s dog, and this is what it is:

    the hunilitation and shame of being wrong, totally wrong, and an ignorant racist yahoo to boot. 

    I clearly expalin your racist comment that “we can’t succeed in the usa, as we have people of color” you big old racist and having nothign to say in response you try to take what I said about germany and make me the racist.  you’re really operating on a second grade level, yahoo.  keep it up.

  • stop avoiding issue

    you’re not addressing teacher eval.

    how are we going to get to a world where great teachers are recognized cultivated incentivied developed and drawn in and paid $125K like a professional, if we don’t have teacher evals and everything is tenure, seniority and stiff oppo to any evals?

  • Melissa Westbrook

    First of all, homeschooling is allowed and encouraged.  SPS has a section of a department for it.  We are awash in private schools in this area.  I’m a little confused how little you know on this subject.

    No, we don’t need a lot of public schools so people have choice.  That is not what public education is for and I invite you to find me one School Board member, one Superintendent of public instruction to tell you that. 

    But you are okay with for-profit companies running charters?  You are okay with levies being shared with charters (who may or may not do the heavy lifting to pass them like PTSAs and unions do)?

    I appreciate that you feel it should go to the people.  I do as well and if this highly-flawed bill passes, count on an initiative to take it to a vote.

  • Guest

    Melissa Westbrook makes many good points about positive changes at various schools, the innovative elementary schools, etc. The big challenge then is how do we scale those changes and get more children into those schools, or schools like them? This is where charters potentially have some promise. Let’s say a school with dual English Chinese for elementary children has a wait list. the wait list is 300 kids. That is almost enough for another elementary school. What happens now? The school board says sorry, we can’t help. With a “gasp” for profit charter, they might say “if we market the concept a little harder, and can get a good location, there may be enough children here to make the numbers work.” Voila, more children get what they want. Who loses? Well, it is unfortunate for teachers at whatever school the kids would have gone to because “gasp” they find they are not teaching what the children and their parents who pay the bills really want.

    Eric Pettigrew sees daily the consequences of failure in the school system. I’d say let’s listen long and hard to him.

    One other point about getting people to do the heavy lifting on levies: it is a sad reality that the teachers do way too much to get them passed. But one has to ask “why is this.” Is it because parents are perhaps not as enthused with the result of their tax dollars as the teachers are? Maybe being able to feel like they get better results from their levy dollars via charters would actually result in more involvement from parents in the levy campaigns.

  • Guest

    Melissa Westbrook makes many good points about positive changes at various schools, the innovative elementary schools, etc. The big challenge then is how do we scale those changes and get more children into those schools, or schools like them? This is where charters potentially have some promise. Let’s say a school with dual English Chinese for elementary children has a wait list. the wait list is 300 kids. That is almost enough for another elementary school. What happens now? The school board says sorry, we can’t help. With a “gasp” for profit charter, they might say “if we market the concept a little harder, and can get a good location, there may be enough children here to make the numbers work.” Voila, more children get what they want. Who loses? Well, it is unfortunate for teachers at whatever school the kids would have gone to because “gasp” they find they are not teaching what the children and their parents who pay the bills really want.

    Eric Pettigrew sees daily the consequences of failure in the school system. I’d say let’s listen long and hard to him.

    One other point about getting people to do the heavy lifting on levies: it is a sad reality that the teachers do way too much to get them passed. But one has to ask “why is this.” Is it because parents are perhaps not as enthused with the result of their tax dollars as the teachers are? Maybe being able to feel like they get better results from their levy dollars via charters would actually result in more involvement from parents in the levy campaigns.

  • Guest

    Except we have passed new teacher eval systems in the past couple years, and they’ll be going into effect between now and the 13-14 school year. Maybe we should give them a chance and see how they work before we replace them with another eval plan? 

  • Melissa Westbrook

    Charters are not there to provide more choices in types of schools.  States should be investing in charters solely for academic outcomes.

    This is an on-going fight in New Jersey where most of their charters (indeed most charters) are in urban areas.  But now some parents in the suburbs figured out they could open a foreign language immersion school they want on the public dime.  You can imagine how their neighbors – in the nice, tony suburbs – feel about money leaving their existing schools so these parents can have “choice.” 

    That’s not what charters are for and to advocate for it is to say anyone who wants to open a school, should be able to do so. 

    As the for the levies, it’s parents AND teachers who help get those passed, not just teachers. 

  • Open Minded

    While I am skeptical about charter schools, there are great examples of them working too (follow KIPP Schools).  By many measurements, our current state school system is under performing and has been for a while.  I think we need to try new things to solve this problem and I am open to charter schools.  Let’s at least try it.

  • Guest

    My understanding is the Pettigrew / Tom bill would allow for 50  schools max, statewide. This really is a drop in the bucket.

  • fount

    Yes, that is more or less his only role. Add “anti-government zealotry” to the list, and you’ve got his outlook pretty much fleshed out.

  • Anonymous

    I do not live in Seattle I live in Kent so I do not follow SPS policyies. I was not talking about any one district or state. I was just making a general statement of something I think we should be doing about homeschooling.

    I know that no School Board or Superintendent agrees with me. I was stating how it should be. I guess I did not make that clear.

    I have no problem with not-for-profit groups getting goverment funding for charters. For profit and corporation charters should not get any public money. The execption to that would be if some one works for the goverment. Then they pay with there paycheck which comes from the goverment. That may be spliting hairs but people have tried in the past to use that to try and put more goverment control over private schools in the past.

  • Anonymous

    It is sad that we need property taxes to get funding for schools. We really need to try and figure out a way for the State to fund schools so levies are not nessassary. I know that is pie in the sky stuff. I also admit that I hate property taxes. I think they are the most unjust form of taxes we use.

  • Guest

    A big,giant BOOOOOOOOO to Petigrew on this one.

  • http://house-carl.myopenid.com/ House Carl

    For a lot of these “school reform” people the whole idea is smashing the union, they could care less about the education part. For many others this “school reform” is about privatization and they, too, could care less about the education part. Old barky there has a foot on both camps as can plainly be seen. It’s too bad the barkys of the world have fast talked many decent and concerned people into believing their message of “blame the teachers first and the government second”.

  • Not a charter fan

    I read recently that 70% of the kids accepted into a KIPP middle school in 6th grade drop out before they finish the 8th grade.  Just too much rigor for them, I guess.  So if they are successful with the 30% who remain, that’s not saying much.  And where does that 70% go once they leave the KIPP school?  Why, back to their local district public school, of course, where they must be accepted and where the educators there must do their best to help them succeed.