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Rep. Who Pushed Seattle Overrun Clause Now Wants State to Pick Up Wenatchee Tab

The Seattle Times has the big scoop, but they miss the big irony.

Here’s the story: State legislators from Wenatchee want the state to pay off the $42 million in outstanding debt on that city’s convention center, the Greater Wenatchee Regional Events Center or Town Toyota Center. The money is due on December 1, just a few days after the special session in Olympia begins. House Ways and Means Chair Rep. Ross Hunter (D-48, Medina) told the Seattle Times he supports an idea being pushed by the state treasurer and legislators in Wenatchee to pay off the debt, which was supposed to be covered by revenues from events at the center, by tapping a state account of local sales taxes.

Here’s the irony: It’s the tunnel in reverse.  Rep. Mike Armstrong (R-12, Wenatchee) who sponsored the infamous tunnel cost overruns provisions that forbid the state from picking up overruns on Seattle’s tunnel, is now queuing up the bill with his 12th Legislative District colleagues to have the state pick up the outstanding tab on the struggling convention center.

We have a call out to Armstrong. We also have a call in to Hunter.

“Stick it to Seattle” sponsor, Rep. Mike Armstrong (R-Wenatchee), is now queuing up a bill  to have the state pick up the outstanding tab on Wenatchee convention center.

Of course, Gov. Chris Gregoire called the session to deal with the $1.4 billion shortfall in the $32 billion budget. Gregoire has already tasked the legislature with choosing $2 billion in cuts.

The argument for the bailout is that if one city in Washington state defaults on its bonds, Wall Street is going to frown on the state as a whole and it’s going to be difficult to bond projects anywhere in the state. Moreover, the bailout money isn’t coming from the general fund, but from a reserve account of local sales tax dollars that the state collects and sends back to cities after taking a share.

The argument against the bailout is philosophical. Why should a portion of, say, Seattle’s sales tax dollars go to bail out a failed convention center in Wenatchee?

To the credit of Armstrong’s cosponsor, Rep. Cary Condotta’s (R-12, E. Wenatchee), he voted against the infamous tunnel cost overruns provision.  The legislators are holding a press conference in Wenatchee today. We will report back.

Rep. Hunter says, “If this is a bail out, it’s a bail out for every city in the state.” Hunter explains (offering up that he’s “weird and reads magazines such as Bond Trader) that if Wenatchee defaults, municipal bond rates will go from .5 points to 1 [statewide] and that’s insane. We’re not going to let Wenatchee drive up interest rates for the rest of us.” Hunter’s feeling: “$42 million isn’t worth that.”

He also says Wenatchee is “not going to be happy with the terms … the interest is going to be extremely high…” [he originally used the word "exorbitant" but corrected himself]  … “and we’re going to garnish their portion of sales taxes if they don’t pay.”

And Hunter adds: “We’re going to make it so onerous that they’re going to want to refinance, and if they refinance they’re going to have to raise their own taxes.”

In an open letter to Wenatchee on his blog, State Rep. Reuven Carlyle (D-36, Seattle), who has made an issue out of the fact that anti-tax red counties are net recipients of state tax dollars, says he’s still studying the legislation (though he tells PubliCola he’s worried that if the state doesn’t come to the rescue it will hurt the state’s bond rating as a whole).

He also says this:

Here’s the question I openly ponder: Your legislators voted to require a 2/3 majority rule when the King County Council wanted to tax the people of King County for emergency transit funding–and yet now I am being asked to use simple majority in Olympia to approve emergency funding for a loan for your convention center that I suspect could not pass a supermajority vote of your own county council or the communities that make up the Toyota Town Center special taxing district.

I am struggling with the philosophical inconsistency and juxtaposition of these positions.


  • Askin’

    Eastern Washington legislators want west side taxpayers to bail out their convention center and sports arena complex.  The convention center part is not the revenue producing pice; this is really just a sports center.  Where were they when the time came to bail out Key Arena?  Just asking.

  • Anonymous

    Is reporting on Republican hypocrisy still considered news?

  • Squitringo

    Rep. Reuven is my hero.

  • Michael G

    The argument that many people, particularly conservatives, made during bank bailout fiasco is that providing a bailout to financial institutions that made bad decisions creates a moral hazard: an incentive to repeat bad behavior in the future with the expectation of another bailout.  But it was well known that allowing the financial industry to fail (more than it did) would have wrecked the economy (more than it has).

    Much the same reasoning applies here.  Municipalities all over the country, including our friends in Wenatchee, invest large amount of money into economic development and infrastructure projects, many of which are of dubious value or done in a highly questionable way.  Harrisburg, PA’s waste to energy facility and Jefferson County, AL’s sewer system come to mind as recent examples.  In both cases, the state did not come to the rescue and those jurisdictions filed for bankruptcy.  I don’t really know what the fallout of the Harrisburg situation has been, but in the case of Jefferson County, the impact on the municipal bond market was fairly small because the county’s problems were known well in advance and regarded as atypical.  If I was in the Legislature, I would be looking for a reasonable estimate of Wenatchee’s potential impact on the bond market and in the meantime be very skeptical of any bailout plan.

  • fount

    I agree with most of what you say. I understand this may be a risk to larger bond markets, and thus state action may be required.

    But one qualm: why should the whole state pay for their miscalculation? Why shouldn’t the local level, who made the decision to move forward and thus take on the risk, expect to pass the buck to the larger public? Why shouldn’t the local jurisdiction that approved this (the LID, the city, etc) pay for it with their own higher taxes? Why should I pay for what is at best a dubious use of public money even when it works out?

    Like I said — I understand that sometimes state intervention may be required for the greater good. It’s just a shame that those folks in Wenatchee don’t aren’t nearly as charitable when the problem is someone else’s.

  • David Kelley

    I dislike the endless tit-for-tat politics we play here in WA, but in this instance, I say let them hang.  Anyone who decided that $42, much less $42 million was a worthwhile investment in Wenatchee deserves to have this albatross hung around their necks.  Stupidity should hurt.

  • Guest

    I’m shocked — shocked — to read that Eastern Washington legislators are ignorant, hypocritical, dipshits, who seem primarily interesting in fucking Seattle.

  • Choppaduct

    The “stick-it-to-Seattle” clause came not from Rep. Armstrong, as he has claimed, but from Seattle’s House Speaker Frank Chopp, as his own House Transportation chair and others confirmed. Armstrong’s revisionism may have scored him points at home, and perhaps a secret proviso from Chopp, but it’s not true.

  • No Fan of Nick

    According to the article in the Seattle Times this morning the state treasurer is proposing the state LOAN the money to Wenatchee to cover the note coming due next month with Wenatchee then being on the hook to repay the loan to the state.  If this is in fact the case and a competitive interest rate is charged Wenatchee then it seems like no big deal.  The city doesn’t default and the state does not get penalized with higher bond costs going forward. I know Nick Lacota would never support this because of his hatred and disdain for sports and arena projects but fortunately for all involved Nick will not have a vote on this!

  • Anonymous

    Is paying your taxes while advocating for tax reform, hypocrisy?

    More specifically, isn’t a State Rep supposed to advocate for their constituents?

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    You are close, Josh, the hypocracy is in funding convention centers.

    Chelan County should impose a 2% hotel tax, the city of Wenatchee should impose a 5% sales tax. That tax should be collected by the state and controlled by a Publuc Facilities District formed by the county.
    That is what they can do to repay the loan from us.

    The rest of the state didnt want to have to pay for the Washington State Convention and Trade Center. Ours was/is a financial success, no thanks to the eastern Washington folks.

    So, the shoe is on the other foot. How does it feel?

  • shane phillips

    Even if it hurts the whole state, most of which had no part in the poor decision to build this convention center?

  • shane phillips

    Based on what you posted, it sounds like Wenatchee will be required to pay the state back, with interest. So what’s the big deal?

  • Anonymous

    The state should take it out of whatever other funding would go to the Wenatchee area – schools, roads, fire, law enforcement, support for the state Apple Commission – until those hypocrites vote to approve a local property tax levy to make up the difference.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    If it were Seattle asking to borrow 42 million dollars for a non-essential item or service they would be first in line to oppose it. Here they are with their hand out to the nanny state because they are failing to live within their own means.
    They are hypocrites.

    Let’s see how broad minded they are when some other municipality wants to borrow money from the state.
    If Wenatchee can borrow money from the state for a convention center at will then why shouldn’t some other municipality?

  • Rep. Ross Hunter

    No Spin is correct. The state will take it out of money that goes to the jurisdictions involved. I expect that when they face the reality of paying significantly more interest on this loan, and having their distributions garnished to pay it off, they will bite the bullet and riase enough tax revenue to finance it privately for much, much less in interest. The state will make a profit on this.

    Think what would happen if your kid broke a window with a baseball by being careless. He doesn’t have enough to pay for it, so you front the money for the glass, force him to help out while you fix it, then you take a huge chunk of his allowance until it’s paid off. At least, that’s what happened to me when I did it… This is a similar scenario, and my guess is that Wenatchee will be similarly unhappy. The new mayor ran on a platform of letting it default.

    I’m not excited about Wenatchee defaulting if it causes other cities to pay more in interest.

  • gohuskies

    Thanks for the reply, Ross.

  • shane phillips

    I totally get that, but are we really talking apples to apples here? I think if a municipality or county needs to borrow money and is willing and able to pay it back, that’s fine. If and when the tunnel has overruns, and if the amendment this Wenatchee guy sponsored wasn’t there, would the state as a whole just cover the cost, or would it be the same situation where the state would loan the money to Seattle but Seattle would have to pay it back?

  • shane phillips

    They should, of course, avoid getting into these types of situations. But the higher interest should be a pretty good deterrent since they ideally would end up actually contributing MORE to the state’s revenue because of their poor planning/budgeting.

  • try kicking ass

    sadly, democrats see “inconsistency” and “philosophical inconsistency” in “positions” as if they’re dealing with some kind of well intentioned or rational opponent.  In fact, it’s just all about gimme gimme gimme — with no real attempt at being consistent.  so here’s the consistency we see from the right wingers and e washington types:

    1. let’s make seattle pay for tunnel overruns!
    2. let’s make seattle help pay for wenatchee overruns!
    3. let’s make seattle pay for equalization favoring us!
    4. hey don’t raise our taxes, we are philosophically antigovernment!

    at a certain point you have to just say they’re greedy lying sacks of _____ instead of pretending to be in some kind of “debate.”  It’s spelled p-o-w-e-r.  AT any moment the Dems could use their power to stop all this nonsense, starting with defunding the red counties by ending equlization to teach them a lesson and begin horse trading.  But sadly Dems think it’s not about power it’s about ideas, and debate and philosophy!  What a joke.  Sometimes I think we need a Huey Long here to get over the cerebralization of politics the democrats are guilty of.  They need to go kick some ass and stop pondering philosophical inconsistences, this isn’t a graduate school seminar at Harvard Kennedy school Mr. Carlyle.

  • red handed handout

    the big deal is the privat market isn’t lending them the money therefore for the government to do it they’re getting …..something for nothing….we’re not going to charge a free market level of intrest which sounds like it’d be about 18%.  it’s a gift.  it’s like the bailouts of wall st., sure we got paid back, but considering the risk taken and the short supply of bailer outers we should have taken about a 50% equity position in all those bailout getters.  Here, either we should charge 20% interest or take half ownership but lending at favorabe rates is a fucking gift.  We want to make a gift, how about a gift to the STate by building a bridge or raod or fudning teachers?  Stuff that’s a bit more productive than a stupid hockey rink seating 4,000 people ina  tiny city in the middle of the desert that made a mistake.  All they have to do to pay the loan back is RAISE THEIR OWN TAXES and take some personal responsiblity.  Oh wait, the right only talks that way to deny things to others, not when their own hand is reaching out for a handout.

  • repete

    Or Seattle is populated by, and ergo run by, a bunch of naive
    patsies

  • http://yrihf.com John Bailo

    Given that no one is moving here any more, it’s going to be funny watching everyone shoot it out when they realize that the only suckers left to pay the tabs are each other…

  • http://yrihf.com John Bailo

    Or savvy locals…

  • Anc

    For how many years have you been saying Seattle was depopulating John?  

  • http://yrihf.com John Bailo