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Occupy Seattle Bans Activist from Discussion Group

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1. Yesterday, the city council adopted the final version of its nonbinding resolution expressing solidarity with Occupy Seattle, committing to look at the city’s banking and contracting practices, ask the state to allow it to consider a city income tax, and requesting more authority to bank with credit unions instead of banks. We covered the resolution as it evolved here and here.

Most of the items in the proposal won’t have any impact on their own; the income tax and credit union proposals, for example, would require state legislation from a legislature that hasn’t shown much interest in Seattle’s hippie-dippy ideas. (Asked, on the Seattle Channel’s “City Inside/Out,” whether they’d support a city income tax, council members Sally Bagshaw and Tom Rasmussen said no. “Absolutely not,” Bagshaw said.)

City council member Mike O’Brien, also on “City Inside/Out,” acknowledged to host Brian Callahan that the income tax, which was his idea, is a long shot, but said there were other areas where the city itself could make progressive financial changes, including public financing of elections and examining city tax breaks to corporations.

Was just banned from the Occupy Seattle group for suggesting that they needed to prep people to run for office in 2012 and 2013. It would seem that the group is dedicated to shrinking their members down until they have everyone in line that agrees with them….I think that number is something like 1%.

2. Speaking of Occupy Seattle, while the NYPD were kicking all the protesters out of Zuccotti Park last night, Occupy Seattle was doing the job locally, banning a local activist from its Facebook chat group. Local homeless and veterans advocate Dorsol Plants says he was banned from an Occupy discussion after he suggested that the group run candidates in 2012 and 2013. I guess the protesters aren’t interested in occupying office.

Plants, 26, who ran an idealistic and surprisingly solid campaign as a progressive city council candidate himself  in 2009  (he got 18,000 votes), wrote on his Facebook page yesterday afternoon after getting bounced:

Was just banned from the Occupy Seattle group for suggesting that they needed to prep people to run for office in 2012 and 2013. It would seem that the group is dedicated to shrinking their members down until they have everyone in line that agrees with them….I think that number is something like 1%. Sad to see what Seattle’s movements coming too. I know several of the people last week who left were forced out, and that number seems to be growing.

Plants has been working with veterans and the homeless at the Occupy protests, trying to connect them with social services. He says a couple of his friends were banned from online Occupy discussions for disagreeing with comments such as ones saying they should “kill white people for Thanksgiving.”

People at Occupy say Plants was not banned for his politics, but because women in the group had “safety” concerns about Plants, a claim that Plants tells PubliCola is “curious.”

3. Interpreting the failure of the $60 car-tab fee on “City Inside/Out” last week, city council member O’Brien struck a far more conciliatory tone than fellow green Mayor Mike McGinn, who said the measure should have had a bigger transit component.

O’Brien attributed the loss to a plan that was too vague; the fact that the city and county have already raised Seattle’s car tabs a total of $40; and the fact that “it’s hard to sell the visionary impact of a bus bulb here and a traffic signal there and a sidewalk there.” Additionally, he acknowledged that the flat car-tab fee is regressive, and vowed to seek new, “more flexible funding” in Olympia next session.

 4. Cascade Bicycle Club rolled out its legislative agenda for 2012 yesterday.

With the vulnerable users’ bill passed and set to go into effect in June (unfortunately, not soon enough to prosecute a teenage driver who ran off the road and killed a cyclist earlier this year, for which the teen was punished with a $42 traffic fine), the bike club’s top priority this year will be the neighborhood safe speeds bill, HB 1217, which would allow cities to set speeds on non-arterial residential streets as low as 20 mph without doing costly traffic and engineering studies.

They’re also supporting a bill that would give cities more flexibility to use state transportation dollars for pedestrian projects; adding health to Washington State’s official transportation goals (a change that could require policymakers to pay more attention to things like car-related injuries and deaths and the health impacts of pollution from highways); and securing guarantees that the state won’t disproportionately give away bike and ped money when it sends unused transportation dollars back to the feds.


  • Blue Light

    The OWS crowd wants to “kill white people for Thanksgiving”.
    But it’s the Tea Party that are violent racists.

  • Rob

    blah blah blah blah blah

  • dash hope for change?

    it’s a hippy dippy idea to examine income tax, public financing of elections and tax breaks to corporations?

    And they say the media dominates politics with an implicit right wing frame.   

    I guess those nations of sweden norway denmark austria and others with higher economic outcomes for the median family than ours, and better health outcomes for less money spent on health care, are hippy dippy nations, also canada and UK where even when conservatives win on  a change platform they don’t dare dismantle the national or socialized health care systems.  David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy  – hippy dippy.  Canada, Switzerland and Germany  — they’re just a big swirl of Rainbow nation and Burning man types.  O-kaaaay.   

  • Blue Light

    how do you type with your hands over your ears?

  • ivan

    I support Dorsol.

  • http://twitter.com/michaelp_206 Michaelp

    Excluding someone like Dorsol Plants just shows how not with it the occupiers can be.  Dorsol is someone who not only understands and supports a lot of the vague ideas that the group apparently supports, but is able to articulate why, and what those ideals are (unlike the GA’s). 

    And he’s clearly a smart kid – what made the Tea Party effective was running candidates for office.  Dorsol knows you can be “the 99%” and part of the cogs.  While it’s easy to stand on the outside and complain, it’s more effective to work from the inside.

  • Jakers

    A city income tax??? Wouldn’t that increase demand for suburbanization? But maybe with the middle and upper classes moving out, it would decrease the cost of housing for the poor, letting them move closer to where they work, which is what they’ll need once the tax base moves out.

  • Guest

    How does your keyboard work with all that drool in it?

  • Shaggy

    If the middle and upper classes move out they will probably take the jobs with them.  Case in point, Detroit.  

  • Nope, it wouldn’t.

    for years the rich have told us they move away if you put in an income tax yet still we have rich people all over switzerland, germany, canada, NYC, Greenwhich CT, Arlington VA, and NYC — check out the real estate prices in the NYC sunday magazine, you’ll have  a heart attack. 

  • Shaggy

    For a bit of insight, take a look at the demographics of the countries you mention and compare them to the US.

  • Rob

    The occupiers need to hire a smart political consultant and make some connections with the local centers of political powers. 

  • Fred

    This is what Democracy looks like! Seriously…

    http://youtu.be/Wl1ObUGAoHE

  • guarded response….

    please spell out what you’re saying, thanks. 

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Isn’t Detroit the social justice crowds model city?

  • fgruben

    per #2. Non conforming diversity will not be tolerated.

  • Anonymous

    They need to find a smart political consultant who’s willing to volunteer. The payback will come when individual candidates start running.

  • Publicus

    Don’t suppose the fact that Dorsol is a violent psychopath kicked out of the Army for mental health issues has anything to do with his being banned?

    Love,

    Occupy

  • Anonymous

    NYC income tax is not levied on commuters from upstate or CT. http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/services/business_tax_nys_income.shtml

    It’s true that many rich folks still live in NY (primarily Manhattan), but many do not.

  • Anonymous

    Can you back up those claims with some facts, or even a news clip?

  • ivan

    Nice try, asshole. But FAIL!

  • Mr. X

    Have you even met Dorsol?

    Put up some evidence or shut up – most ricky tick.

  • no “Lutece” in Asotin

    true — but NJ and Ct have an income tax too.  “many” rich folks live there and work in NYC, this hardly proves the point that income taxes drive people to avoid them.  it proves the opposite, don’t you see?  NY CT MA NJ MD VA CA — most rich people in the usa live where there is an income tax.  fact.  end of debate. 

  • remember: MLK + LBJ

    maybe they deserve some state democratic party leaders who would you know, lead them. 

  • http://twitter.com/michaelp_206 Michaelp

    Maybe they should stop dissing the Democratic Party and our elected officials, and behave as if they were willing to work with them.

  • YusufCabdi

    Dorsal Plant’s idea of running candidates in 2012-2013 was the best way to bring a Change to our broken system. Those guys can sit in their tent at West Lake for the rest of their lives, but the change that they are seeking will not happen unless they come up with workable strategies and that include running their own candidates in 2012-2013 who believe their values same as the Tea Part did. Putting our current elected officalis’ feet on the fire seems to me a winning strategy.

  • smug insider much?

    ah yes, dissing is verboten…if you criticize Our Valiant Leaders they don’t have to try to lead you.

  • Publicus

    Numerous times. 

    He was sleeping with underage girls while working at Roots, a shelter in North Seattle. 

    He’s a cocaine addict. Numerous Occupiers are familiar with this aspect of his behavior, personally. Sorry we don’t have Kate Moss photos for you, he seems to be camera shy. 

  • Monster

    the only asshole here is the old man who is a democratic party insider trying to use internet jargon

  • Blue Light

    Joe, I am surprised you are one of the juvenile high-fivers.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    I am part of the 98%.
    It is about time that practical solutions are moved forward.

    Let’s go ahead and draft Brian Baird as a leader (anybody watch 60 Minutes?), and if we can find the one Republican that isn’t a complete corporate whore to co-lead, that would be great.

  • Occupy Supporter

    No one likes being manipulated into thinking a person’s image to the public sector is not in fact, reality; yet these are the facts at hand. Do you really think Occupy would ban someone if they did not have credible sources? If they did not have documentation? If they did not have a reason to believe that Dorsol was capable of poisoning an otherwise pure message for change and action into another facet of his campaign? Consider what you have been fed and what you actually know of the candidate you support, ask him the lingering questions, see if the truth surfaces. Occupy has every reason to consider Dorsol a threat to its mission.
     
     
     

  • Anonymous

    I agree with your basic point (most people live where there’s an income tax and it’s not a major criteria for where people choose to live), but my point stands as well; if you live in NYC, you pay more (three layers of income tax).

  • Anonymous

    I agree with “remember”; holding politicians accountable after “we” get them elected is a major problem. Incumbency turns into entitlement, power corrupts, etc.

  • Big Jim Slade

    That would require, like, effort maaan.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    Enjoy your ever shrinking island.

  • Seattles_Teabagger

    why don’t you all hold Miss Pelosi and Mr. Schumer accountable and we will worry about the republicans

  • Anonymous

    If that’s true, without some solid proof (video, arrest record) the “numerous occupiers” or “underaged girls” will have to go public (i.e., not anonymous) if you/they want to stop Dorsol from being the promising leader he appears to be to many of us here. Even then, his behavior as a 2X year old would have to be pretty egregious.

    In other words, put up or shut up.

  • YusufCabdi

    It is not hippy dippy to examine the income tax and election fanancing.
    If we don’t fix our election fanancing then the wall street will be deciding who will be our rulers.
    Money in politics is one of the greatest threat to our democracy and our stability as nation.

    Citizens of Canadá, Uk have a much better social safety net than we do in America; free medical, homes for the poor, and everyone has food on the table. Therefore, we need to stop pretending that we are better than everyone else when a 30 millions of our fellow citizens sleep under the bridges, and a 50 millions have no health care coverage despite us being one of the richest nation on the earth. There are abviously something wrong with our political system.

  • Monster

    ever give thought that they are trolls ala me

  • Mr. X

    Well, I have no info about the cocaine thing, but can attest to the FACT that ROOTS doesn’t serve and/or employ anyone who is under 18 so the whole “underage girls” smear sounds like bullshit to me.

    Have you occupiers been tooting blow with him?  Did you ban yourselves from your meetings, too?

  • Mr. X

    I didn’t vote for Dorsol.  If you have actual documentation of statutory rape, I’d suggest you learn from Joe Paterno and do something about it.

  • Abetterneighborhoodactivist

    ^^^Dorsol?

  • http://www.twitter.com/joeszi Joe Szilagyi

    Your politely racist baiting gets really old.

  • Publicus

    How about emails from his ex-wife? Occupy Admins do their research, friend. :D And these emails are freely given, with her blessing and permission. Occupy does their research. :D  

    “he liked to pick out men he wanted me to sleep with, and he liked to watch.  the only people i slept with other than him while i was with him were people he asked me to and he was always present either behind a partly closed door or through a video camera.  sounds sick when you say it like that.  is sick.  didn’t notice at the time.  there were a couple people he wanted to sleep with while he was with me, and i said ok to the occasional tryst.  but there were several women he lied about, for lengthy periods of time.  it makes me sick to think of how many women he had in MY bed after i left.  b/c when i left in may, he said he wanted to work things out.  he kept putting off moving my stuff b/c he was still trying to talk me into moving back in.  we were still talking, still negotiating, and still sleeping together until the end of august.  (yeah, i was that stupid).  i caught him cheating on me more than i can count.  i’m still troubled by all the things he coerced me into sexually (many of them took many months of mental abuse to get me to do).  he went to a pay phone down the street from my parents house the very last weekend he was in WV before moving to seattle; and he was trying to get me to sleep with him “one last time” before he left.  i was more than offended. hell, you don’t even want to know how he talked me into marrying him.   i sued him for that divorce for OVER a fucking year.  i let him have credit cards in my name the whole time we were married…he maxed them out and never paid them.  i got stuck with the whole lot in the divorce b/c they were in my name; and i’ll pay them b/c i was stupid enough to let him do it to me.  that was why i went after my cut of his check once i realized it was over no matter how much he cried and begged…i knew he’d never pay those debts; and they were in the thousands.  crap–i gotta run.  i’m about to be late for class.  hit me back; i’ll write more as soon as i can.  and trust me, i’m curious about when he brought you into it all too.  i’m glad you wrote.  it’s hard to find people who understand how soulless he can be.  thanks.” – Jennifer

  • http://www.twitter.com/joeszi Joe Szilagyi

    Hello, defamation. Paging Dorsol’s attorneys.

  • Anonymous

    “if they did not have credible sources? If they did not have documentation?” Let’s hear from them and see it. Otherwise, the dispute has the appearance of resentment and/or jealousy (“Dorsol was capable of poisoning an otherwise pure message for change and action into another facet of his campaign”). Some of us “old men” are totally supportive of Occupy’s goals (e.g., I was in the streets many times to help stop the Vietnam War and in the course of that learned how the military-industrial complex is set up, the rich run things, etc.). But we (some of us anyway) also see the need for leadership to translate those goals into actions to actually change “the system.” Change needs both masses of angry people in the streets and effective and accountable leadership. Some people are ambitious and want to be leaders. Let them. Help them. Without effective leaders, your movement will flounder and dissipate. If you don’t like Dorsol, put someone else forward.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    Because you are doing a shitty job of it.

  • NeoLegal

    Slander? Actually, “slander” is spoken. ;) “Libel” is written. And you can’t sue someone for expressing an opinion in the United States. Try the UK. ;)  

  • Blue Light

    Joe, if you will…
    Explain how my post above is race-baiting.

  • Andy

    Once again, come forward with hard evidence or stop slandering a well-respected member of our community.  

  • Censorshipsucks

    ^^ Censorship, now? C’mon, I didn’t realize we were letting Dorsol run as an admin on your boards. ;)  

  • Mr. X

    And this is the same as your allegations of illegality how?

  • Mr. X

    If printed allegations of criminal behavior aren’t backed up with solid facts, they are legally actionable – not “opinion”.

  • Monster

    yes because the OccuFail movement and their anonymous supporters who are trashing “Dorsol” are really going to be receptive to 1% legal system

  • Anonymous

    It’s important for movements to be watchful for agents provocateurs and spies (and to isolate or eject them when identified), but paranoia does not in itself make for effective social change. Almost as destructive to movements are supportive individuals with disruptive personalities. You, for example, if your posts are any indication of how you behave in meetings (even assuming your politics are supportive).

  • Mry

    Um. He’s a philanderer, mentally abusive and committed fraud. And you’re still willing to back him? I’m happy to have the moderators at your site go talk to his ex-wife if you’ve doubts. :D  

  • http://www.twitter.com/joeszi Joe Szilagyi

    Yeah, I changed it to the more generic defamation, and you certainly can sue someone for any of the three in the United States. Search Google News any day, you’ll find a variety of them being reported on for example. Free speech is only a protection against these sorts of charges if you’re speaking true, verifiable, public statements. Even public figures have defense against this if the statements are done maliciously or with intent to harm. Which the OP’s comments certainly could rise to, and since Dorsol is not even elected it’s hard to argue he’s a public figure at this time.

    I personally think it would be hilarious if some of the defaming trolls on here get sued.

    I am not a lawyer.

  • Monster

    its a hard life being a pragmatic progressive moderate especially with all the know-it-all busy bodies who love to comment here 

  • Anonymous

    I agree; Publicus and Occupy Supporter especially are on thin ice.

  • Monster

    hey stop talking about Scott White!

  • http://www.twitter.com/joeszi Joe Szilagyi

    Probably not but a single well played defamation suit and summary judgment can pretty much nuke someone’s credit ratings from orbit, and get their wages garnished for a very long time. 

  • Publicus

    Actually, the City Council just voted a resolution of support for us, making Seattle the first major city in the country to gain official government recognition. ;)  

  • Mry

    Actually, the City Council just voted a resolution of support for us, making Seattle the first major city in the country to gain official government recognition. ;)

  • FrequentPoster

    I’m leaning toward it, but I hope he doesn’t run against Dorsal Fin. I will always vote for the shark.

  • Occupyyourmind

    ^^David Brown? If I recall the thread correctly, someone made a joke about Indians “scalping Puritans”. You called people a cunt. ;)  

    And the Tea Party’s not violent? We don’t carry weapons at Occupy and get beat down by the police. Tea Partiers have hundreds of pictures of old white people carrying rifles in plain view. 

  • Monster

    yeah i kind of doubt Dorsol is a spy or provocateur, he wants to be a insider one day and is trying to find a base to get that start, (frankly I voted against him because all he had was his veterans status as to why he should be elected and while that says allot about him as a individual that doesn’t make him special or more worthy for elected office.)

    myself if im with a group i support im much more well behaved. I have no reason to behave when i’m with the opposition

  • Publicus

    Our movement doesn’t need leaders. :D We’re legion and global. Perhaps you’ve heard Seattle officially backed up in a UNANIMOUS City Council resolution? I’d say we’re doing just fine without “leaders” like Dorsol. ;)

  • Monster

    and again were talking about OccuFail  I doubt that has them quivering with fear.

  • Leadershipgotusintothismess

    So, he’s trying to ride Occupy’s coat-tails? Typical. Occupy doesn’t endorse ANY leaders. :D We don’t need them.  

  • Seattle_Teabagger

    well we did cull allot of our own back in 2010, would be kind of nice to see that reciprocity from you guys

  • Anonymous

    OK, that’s something, but without the ability to confront Dorsol with questions based on the files, it’s thin (“he said, she said”). How about a citation to the divorce proceeding (names [Jennifer Plants?], jurisdiction, and case number)? Then the matter will be on record (Publicola archives) so someone can actually pursue it.

  • Publicus

    Really? That’s funny. Because I’m pretty sure the First amendment would beg to differ. :D And we talked to numerous people in Seattle that have done cocaine with him. 

    We do not support drug usage at Occupy Seattle, but we thank you for your concern. ;)  

  • Anonymous

    Looks more like an effort to protect Publicus from being sued for libel.

  • Monster

    The Seattle city council is a feeble and corrupt  group that will stab you in the back the first chance they get. The only thing they have ever managed to do is to unify the state legislator against them.

  • Blue Light

    What a surprise!

  • OccupadoTaco

    “Plants has been working with veterans and the homeless at the Occupy protests, trying to connect them with social services. He says a couple of his friends were banned from online Occupy discussions for disagreeing with comments such as ones saying they should “kill white people for thanksgiving.”I’m confused. I’ve been a camper at SCCC and was a camper at Westlake since we started this thing. I haven’t seen Dorsol at Occupy at *all*. I’m willing to ask the veterans in the camp, but I’ve never heard his name up until now mentioned around the encampments. Confusion aside, when did Publicola turn opinion into fact? Saying that Occupy Seattle allowed comments like “kill white people for Thanksgiving” is pretty libelous—better fact-checking is needed. :D Unlike some of your more…..passionate…..commentators, Occupy Seattle actually DOES have a legal team (we’re one of the only ones in the country that does!). Please get your facts straight. 

  • Publicus

    Really? How about Dorsol’s comment that Occupy allows for comments like “kill white people for Thanksgiving?” That sounds like an excellent defamation counter-suit to me. ;)  

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Video fo Dorsal PLants visiting Occupy Seattle….

    http://youtu.be/Wl1ObUGAoHE

  • Big Jim Slade

    Of course you got a City Council resolution. Every time I walk past your camp at City Hall there are more porta potties than people there. It costs them nothing because it’s nonbinding and noncommittal. If you want to pretend it’s more than that, be my guest … but that resolution and $1.75 will still just barely buy you a short drip at the Starbucks in Columbia Tower next door.

  • Monster

    you new here faget I really don’t care if liberals are engaging more extremist liberals in a gay little tit-for-tat whos dick is bigger, in fact I want it because I hate you nannystaters and “intellectuals” with a fire that burns hotter then you can imagine, I want all your children dead and for you all too suffer unspeakable torment. 

  • Anonymous

    You’re confusing the need for leadership with your dislike for Dorsol’s ambition to be a leader. “Our movement doesn’t need leaders. We’re legion and global.” You don’t have a clue. Greeks and other Europeans, now they know how to make a ruckus and they have leaders. Americans used to do both, but we seem to have gotten soft over the past fifty/sixty years. If you haven’t done so yet, study Saul Alinsky; he would scoff at your naive political perspective. Studs Turkel’s “Hard Times” has some good narratives from the time when the 99% really knew how to fight back.

    As for City Council resolution: First, you think that’s going to result in some significant change in the distribution of wealth and power? The recent sick leave ordinance had a much more immediate and real positive impact. Second, you think either of those actions would have happened without Nick Licata’s leadership? FYI, he’s the one and only member of the council with a background in the grassroots left.

  • Publicus

    That’s fair. I can look it up. She says that she filed for divorce under “mental cruelty”. We’ll get back in touch with her and see if she’s comfortable putting the paperwork up.

  • Monster

    that being said i totally get what occufail is about and you don’t want to be used by another Seattle “compassionate and corporate liberal progressive” to get his start as a insider.

  • fount

    a “philanderer”?

    what is this, the 1950s?

    do we have to add sexual purity alongside ideological purity to your list of demands in order to be part of the movement?

  • Bark More Wag Less

    We’re the other white meat….

  • Anonymous

    Truth is a defense and libel/slander cases are very difficult. Congratulations if his assumed snort buddies will step forward if needed.

  • Monster

    you realize they want you at city hall or at SCCC becuase there you are not in the way of their corporate masters ;)

    your playing the 1% game and loosing 

  • Publicus

    Actually, she’s now asking that the above comment be removed to protect her name and professional work from being tarnished by possible retaliation by Mr. Plants. She’s scared to death of him and terrified of him making anonymous phone calls to friends and family. 

  • Mr. X

    I repeat the question – how is any of this behavior illegal?

  • Mr. X

    Go kill yourself.

  • Monster

    after you.

  • fount

    and now you censor yourself because you realize what a reactionary, libelous, entitled jackass you’ve been.

    you haven’t accomplished much today, but you did manage to smear a person’s reputation, publish private correspondence (that is, if you didn’t just make the whole damn thing up), and now will spend the afternoon scurrying around to cover your tracks.

    I’m pretty sure the 1% are quaking in their boots.

    As with the shit at town hall on saturday — if an action does not advance your cause in some tangible way, don’t do it.

  • Anonymous

    Although PubliCola welcomes differences of opinion, personal attacks and potentially defamatory remarks will be deleted. 

  • Monster

    heyy Occufail publicola is deleting your allagations! time to occupy!
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  • Mr. X

    To the moderator – please feel free to delete my comments that refer to the libelous posts left by the anonymous poster(s) who purport to speak for Occupy Seattle.  Thanks!

  • Sean Wiggs

    Hi PubliCola!

    My name is Sean Wiggs. I’m an admin at the Occupy group page in question (http://www.facebook.com/groups/occupyseattle/) and involved in our Internet Communications Workgroup.
    I also work as a liason between different political factions inside Occupy and do a fair amount of outreach to the public. :) I’m here to help clear up what looks like a messy, messy matter.

    We did not ban Dorsol Plants for his political views. Our movement is nonsectarian, nonpartisan and open to all, unlike the major political parties.

    We *are* genuinely interested in hearing Mr. Plants’ views—in General Assembly.

    Our admin team was approached by several people (women) who, in private corrospondence (that should not have been published, thank you PubliCola for heeding our call to remove it), indicated that they felt significantly unsafe engaging in dialogue with Mr. Plants and acutely uncomfortable with his presence. 

    For us admins, it was a safety concern. 

    Personally, I’m a little surprised that your otherwise reputable magazine would publish something without fact-checking it first. Not a single admin or anyone on our Internet team was contacted in regards to this article. Simply taking Mr. Plants at his word that “He says a couple of his friends were banned from online Occupy discussions for disagreeing with comments such as ones saying they should “kill white people for thanksgiving.” is patently absurd. I actually remember the thread in question (I was actively administrering our group page at the time) being referred to—his “friend” (because it was just a single man) indicated that he would like to personally punch several of our female Occupiers in the face for a joke that he considered offensive (a Caucasian individual made a joke about “scalping Pilgrims” and apparently Mr. Plants’ friend found this highly offensive). This same friend referred to half a dozen people as “c*nts” and indicated that he’d like to have a dialogue with his fists with these women. 

    This friend was banned and was (as of today) allowed back onto the forum after agreeing to a code of conduct and to stay out of threads he felt could potentially exacerbate his anger management problem (which he has admitted to in private corrospondence with our admin team). 

    To say that his friend was simply banned arbitrarily is completely untrue. We have a public, published document on our banning guidelines. We’re very transparent and all bans are put to a majority vote. 

    In the issue of safety, we do not play games. Perhaps Mr. Plants could stop playing hard and loose with the truth.I invite any of you who would like to discuss this to please join our group page and let us know what you think. I also invite you to contact me personally through Facebook. I’m not hard to find. :D  

  • Anonymous

    You can edit to remove content yourself. (I’ve tried removing entire post with “edit”; didn’t work.)

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Video of Sean Wiggs delivering a recent Occupy Seattle memo:

    http://youtu.be/Wl1ObUGAoHE

  • Sean Wiggs

    Really? A video of a homeless guy taking a dump by a trash can? You stay classy, anonymous poster. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/michaelp_206 Michaelp

    Let me see if I understand this correctly –

    Anonymous individuals contacted you saying they felt unsafe having dialogue on FB with Dorsol Plants, but not in person at a GA?

    This is one of the most absurd things I have ever read.  Keep it up, Occupy.

  • Jakers

    Big differences between having to move from one country to another or even between states than moving from a city to a suburb where you can easily keep your job by simply extending your commute a bit.

  • Radi

    One would assume that it is generally easier to say stupid shit online than in person. 

  • Occupy Supporter

    I believe that revealing sources is something protected in the world of journalism? Recently in the media are several individuals fighting for free speech, security, etc that were exposed based on cries for evidence that ultimately led to severe punishments, the end of careers, etc.

    http://patdollard.com/2011/11/developing-soldier-arrested-for-espionage-alleged-collaboration-with-wikileaks/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame

    I thought we were supposed to support free speech, not intimidate anyone from coming forward by calling people liars before the accusations are even addressed. No one is saying that the allegations are founded as of yet, but why not reserve opinion for when they are addressed by the parties involved.

  • Rob

    Unfortunately, that’s all they have to offer. They can’t talk about the actual issues.  

  • Sean Wiggs

    I’m sorry you have trouble reading English, Michael.

    They’re hardly “anonymous”. These women are reputable members of Occupy. They’ve been with us since the beginning of the movement here in Seattle. We also required a majority vote of over three dozen people to institute a ban. It’s not something we take casually or lightly. 

    And if he approached these women in GA, I’m sure we would have our own peacekeepers on hand to keep things safe and sane. 

    Your comment is just insulting. I never suggested that they were comfortable having dialogue with him at GA. Perhaps you should go back and re-read. These women are victims. Implying that if they’re “anonymous”, their claims are unwarranted and unfounded is mind-boggling. 

    Haven’t you ever met a victim of domestic violence? Rape? Victims of violence aren’t really eager to out themselves in public.

  • Dorsol Plants

    So I apologize for being late to the party, but I have been at work all morning.

    I am not sure what all accusations were made against me as I only got to check in after they had been removed. They all sounded pretty bad from the brief tidbits I could grab from people’s responses to them. I can only say with certainty that I feel like the work I have spent my life doing and the decisions I have made demonstrate a human being trying to live his life the best way he can. I would also say that considering the severity of what some of it was implied to be, its odd that none of this has ever come up, and I would be happy to face anyone who feels ‘unsafe’ by me and have a conversation. I think most of the people who have talked to me in real-life would chuckle at the idea someone finds me unsafe. I was never considered unsafe at Occupy before yesterday.

    As to the validity of the story, everything that I related was accurate, and I did not relate it in an effort for press attention. I am not running for anything and can in no way say at this moment I will run again. I said I would run in 2011 and my Grandfather died, so you can’t make such predictions so early.

    What I can say for certainty is that for the Occupy movement to survive it can not continue to sit on the sidewalks, but must be preparing itself to run people in 2012 and 2013. I feel that I can make this point because while my own, young attempt at running for City office was unsuccessful, merely by being in the race I helped in a small way to shape the conversation as both Sally and David moved into the primary and Sally moved on to the Council. Even if Occupy were to just enter the race, they would be able to grab the conversation in a much stronger way than I did, to shape and control it. We know this is necessary because its what the Tea Partiers did, and now every Republican candidate must respond to their demands.

    Finally, I would add that my post both in the group and on my own page was one born out of deep frustration. Yes, I have more friends than David down at Occupy Seattle, and unfortunately they too have been finding themselves on the very unwelcoming gaze of the group. Its no hidden fact that Occupy Seattle has been pushing people out for disagreements, and these same people just walk over to the next group to join. The thing is, that this isn’t sustainable, and more importantly does not demonstrate  an ability to lead and if there is no desire to lead us into a new direction for our country what is the movement’s purpose.

    You applaud the unanimous decision of the council that was for your benefit, but for those of us who have been watching for awhile we want answers for things like “Why paid sick leave wasn’t unanimous” or “Why in what is the most progressive city in the country do we have some of the most regressive taxation and transportation choices?” or “where is the necessary funding to keep our kids in community centers and off the streets?”.

    We thought those answers could come out of a movement that rose out of those frustration, but they haven’t, and from my conversations today, yesterday, and last week it seems like Occupy Seattle is surprised we were hoping for leaders. Let me be clear, no one wants to take over and lead Occupy, we wanted leaders to come out of Occupy and lead us. That’s what the city needs…

  • Astaabaho

    At all costs it is up to us to protect the interests of the people in the world whose voices are small, whose cries go unanswered, who are not protected by insufficient laws.  This man is the one and only person who is banned from the OS group page. 

    The idea that OS has been isolating itself on the internet is a misnomer, our member base is growing daily.  We just broke 27,000 viewers on our main page and over 1,000 in our group page, which has created a number of inspirational events and a plethora of creative ideas.

    Contacting anyone at OS facebook is as easy as making a post or requesting to join one of the groups, and to make any statement that no one involved in the facebook OS group was unavailable to comment is one of the most blatant oversights I can think of- grossly inaccurate reporting from self described journalism attempt. 

    It is really easy to find fault with OWS- we hear it on the news every day, the crony news.  I expect better from a blog who doesn’t have to answer to corporate funding of multinationals and moneymakers.  I have always heard of good reporting from this blog and I am very disappointed to find out that the contributors have turned out to be just as lazy as the mainstream media whose only goal is to snatch up the attention of the mediocre with sensational by lines rather than educate a willing and intelligent audience.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Dude, be happy, at leads one of your camp members took the initiative and Occupied that Curb. 

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “least”

  • Astaabaho

    At all costs it is up to us to protect the interests of the people in the world whose voices are small, whose cries go unanswered, who are not protected by insufficient laws.  This man is the one and only person who is banned from the OS group page. 

    The idea that OS has been isolating itself on the internet is a misnomer, our member base is growing daily.  We just broke 27,000 viewers on our main page and over 1,000 in our group page, which has created a number of inspirational events and a plethora of creative ideas.

    Contacting anyone at OS facebook is as easy as making a post or requesting to join one of the groups, and to make any statement that no one involved in the facebook OS group was unavailable to comment is one of the most blatant oversights I can think of- grossly inaccurate reporting from self described journalism attempt. 

    It is really easy to find fault with OWS- we hear it on the news every day, the crony news.  I expect better from a blog who doesn’t have to answer to corporate funding of multinationals and moneymakers.  I have always heard of good reporting from this blog and I am very disappointed to find out that the contributors have turned out to be just as lazy as the mainstream media whose only goal is to snatch up the attention of the mediocre with sensational by lines rather than educate a willing and intelligent audience.

  • Monster

    a little more solid evidence would then be nice other then “email” snippets.  But im pretty sure i can expect some long winded response on how I have trouble reading English or how the anonymity of the victims takes precedent over the truth. 

    and im not even going to touch how a vast group such as occufail can only manage to gather 3 dozen protesters. 

    Im starting to think you guys a cult.

    (feel free to send your “peacekeepers” after me)

  • Bark More Wag Less

    When the womyn of Occupy make wild accusations, without evidence, the castrati of OS jump.

  • Monster

    no sane man wants to lead a cult buddy.

  • Monster

    maybe you can get your over 3 dozen members to enact a ban on publicola. that will show Seattle’s alt media.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Are you talking about people who shit on the curb in the name of social justice or the people forced to witness it and shake their heads?

  • Astaabaho

    At all costs it is up to us to protect the interests of the people in the world whose voices are small, whose cries go unanswered, who are not protected by insufficient laws.  This man is the one and only person who is banned from the OS group page. 

    The idea that OS has been isolating itself on the internet is a misnomer, our member base is growing daily.  We just broke 27,000 viewers on our main page and over 1,000 in our group page, which has created a number of inspirational events and a plethora of creative ideas.

    Contacting anyone at OS facebook is as easy as making a post or requesting to join one of the groups, and to make any statement that no one involved in the facebook OS group was available to comment is one of the most blatant oversights I can think of- grossly inaccurate reporting from self described journalism attempt. 

    It is really easy to find fault with OWS- we hear it on the news every day, the crony news.  I expect better from a blog who doesn’t have to answer to corporate funding of multinationals and moneymakers.  I have always heard of good reporting from this blog and I am very disappointed to find out that the contributors have turned out to be just as lazy as the mainstream media whose only goal is to snatch up the attention of the mediocre with sensational by lines rather than educate a willing and intelligent audience.

  • Girl w/o bangs

    I didn’t think anarchy was the goal.

  • Monster

    dude there group is a cult.

  • Bark More Wag Less
  • Fred
  • Fred

    Dorsal, time for you to lead! THese folks certainly need it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0qkbQfszp0&feature=related

  • Monster

    hey publicola  

    “Hey guys, so the Tea Party trolls are out in force defending Dorsol too. :D Twop videos posted of a homeless guy taking a dump on the sidewalk outside SCCC and an implication this is normal business there.”

    straight from Sean Wiggs and OS facebook!

  • Sean Wiggs

    So? 

  • Big Jim Slade

    You aren’t a journalist.

  • Monster

    the fact you would call these people tea partiers is the lulziest thing ever and shows that you don’t know what group you are talking to and that you and your “cause” cannot stomach any criticism. And this is coming from the biggest hater the nanny-statist that form the bulk of publicolas commentors will ever have and I can tell you and your “friend” jennifer are full of shit

  • http://www.twitter.com/joeszi Joe Szilagyi

    Name one political movement that pulled off anything with long-term changed policies or legalities without outward facing representative leadership.

  • Anonymous

    This is an incredibly ignorant position, contrary to everything learned over centuries by social change activists. You “don’t need them” if you want to become totally irrelevant. By the way, I’m 100% in support of social and economic justice for the 99% (actually, more like the 60%, the “middle 39%” don’t need so much help).

  • Mr. X

    How?  I’m not one of those dee-luxe Discus users….

  • Anonymous

    DK; I’m just a desktop user, but it has a full operating system and browser (Firefox). Are you on an a ‘smart’phone with a crippled operating system? I never understood why some folks posted follow ups instead of editing.

  • Mr. X

    Where do you edit posts on Mozilla?  I’m not seeing the option, here….

  • Anonymous

    Where the “like” button is for everyone else’s posts. If you don’t see it, maybe ask at disqus.com ; I’ve actually them to be helpful.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    Yes, you can be sued.

  • Mr. X

    Yeah, I don’t have it.  I think you have to be a registered Discus user, and as I understand it that can make your comments accessible to other Discus users on different forums in your profile or something like that…

  • Astaabaho

    Today I called and spoke to the author of the “article” (if you can call the editorializing of a Facebook comment a piece of literature, I’ve got some no risk junk bonds to sell you).  I asked him how he thought he had done his due diligence.  He said he emailed someone who had nothing to do with the facebook OS group and that he had made no attempt to contact any OS facebook group, page, or individual who may have been able to shed some light on this subject and that furthermore, it was not his fault that the contact he tried to make with the unrelated email address was left unanswered.  He went on to apologize for the “mistake” – repeatedly.  I returned that I did not believe he was actually sorry because he had failed to retract any of his false reporting and went on to say that it had all been taken care of because there was an opportunity for rebuttal.  four hours after the phone call, said author still has yet to publicly retract any statements that were made or reports that were false or may have been false.
     In order for this to be presented as journalism that hasn’t gone the way of enquiring minds and space aliens kidnapped my grandma, I suggest that this establishment reconsider the guidelines of expectations of it’s contributing authors or perhaps preface all of the articles with the phrase;”This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, places and incidents either are products of the author’s imagination or are used fictitiously. Any resemblance to actual events or locales or persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental.”

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and a handy feature that is (unless you’re paranoid or post things you don’t want some segment of the population to see). My rule is, don’t hit send (email, blogs, anything) if you’ll be embarrassed when it’s on the front page of the New York Times.

  • Gomez

    The cities you mentioned are all very high end cities to live. Seattle has a lot of benefits but lacks a lot of their amenities. The rich would simply pull out in droves.

    Actually, that would plunge real estate values and might actually make housing here affordable. And I don’t think it would kill the city completely. I’m all for it then!

  • FrequentPoster

    How about random stupidity, Erica? Wait, let’s not go overboard, you might say.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, set yourself up! Doesn’t even need saying…

  • Anonymous

    You sound reasonable. However, I read http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/11/13/occupy-seattle-interrupts-pro-occupy-wall-street-forum-drives-away-supporters and have serious concerns about Occupy Seattle.

  • Jeffuppy

    He’s 1/2 shark, and that’s the best you can hope for in this city.

  • Jeffuppy

    Michaelp,  I’m involved in the Democartic Party, but I realize that the Occupy movement wouldn’t be necessary if our Party hadn’t failed miserably to this point.  It is US who should get behind them, not vice versa.  It is THEY who are leading, not us.  The Democratic Party is dangerously close to irrelevence these days, and that’s our own fault.  The last thing this movement needs is to associate itself with a co-opted institution that has clearly failed to achieve progressive change in recent years.  It’s sad to see so many Dems simply not get it.

  • Celebrate Divershitty!!!

    Fully half of all annual murders in Seattle are committed by blacks, even though Seattle is only 6.8% black.

  • Sashamay

    weak

  • Sashamay

    Occupy Seattle has no coattails. Old jockeys with skidmarks, yes.

  • Not Sean Wiggs

    Yes, Sean Wiggs makes shit up. 

  • Not Sean Wiggs

    Except one of the major perpetrators Sean Wiggs has a job. Dorsal isn’t the only one to have shit made up about him.

  • Not Sean Wiggs

    Apparently Publicola works for Occupy Seattle now.