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Occupy Seattle Occupies Westlake for Third Day

Riding on the wave of anti-corporate demonstrations sweeping the nation inspired by “Occupy Wall Street” in NYC, Occupy Seattle is still in full swing on its third day.

The group, loosely composed of activists from labor, environmentalist, animal-rights, and other lefty groups, have been camped out in Westlake Park since last night and, on message with the NYC movement, are in it for the long haul, they say.

The 60 to 80 protesters say they are a “leaderless movement,” but they are far from disorganized. The Occupy Seattle group features a set of work groups with different functions—such as fundraising (for food and supplies), internet, media, and safety—and representatives from each group vote on decisions.

A few strolled up and down the street with signs condemning corporate greed (example: “F**k the banks! Monetary slavery is wrong!”).

About 20 to 30 tents were stationed in the square across Westlake Center today, draped in signs proclaiming solidarity with Occupy Wall Street and calling for various items on the liberal agenda, such as a single payer health care system. At lunchtime, the majority of the protesters were staying in the tents, but a few strolled up and down the street with signs condemning corporate greed (example: “F**k the banks! Monetary slavery is wrong!”), greeting passer-bys and waving to cars that honked in support.

As with Occupy Wall Street, the Occupy Seattle folks direct their grievances at what they see as the complicity between corporations and the federal government, and they have a laundry list of demands ranging from the mildly generic “universal education” to dipping into radical territory (“No support for the Democratic or Republican parties, only rely on people in the Occupy movement”).

Echoing the general mood of liberal America, protesters expressed disappointment with Bush-era policies and programs that have persisted in the Obama years. Vietnam veteran and Tacoma resident David Dittlemore cited “tapping phones, remote prisons, and the killing of an American citizen overseas without a trial” as Obama administration transgressions, calling them “very disturbing.”

As for whether or not he would vote for Obama in next year’s election, he, like others in Occupy Seattle, are waiting to see if the embattled President will step up his game in enacting the “change” he campaigned on.

A few protesters also gave credence to Fizz’s observation this morning about some overlap between the Occupy Seattle movement and the conservative agenda. Remy, a six-year Iraq war vet holding his daughter in one arm, and an anti-corporate protest sign in another arm, said he would like to see a smaller federal government and wants the state legislature to “get together and stop accepting handouts from the federal government.”

He continued, “we have a wonderful economy if we learn how to harness it and get the federal government out of our back pockets.”

Occupy Seattle is currently awaiting an official permit from the City, and have no immediate action plans to further the groups’ agenda beyond occupying Westlake for an indefinite period.

The group has been corresponding with the Mayor’s office and SPD to comply with zoning codes. One of the coordinators for the fundraising workgroup, identified by his first name as Pete, described the whole process so far as “smooth sailing,” noting that they have not encountered any police harassment. (Overheard at a meeting held by the legal work group this afternoon: Businesses in the park, however, are starting to complain.)


  • Godwin

    Now that the usual-suspect Left is involved, arguing over whether or not to get a permit with the city, this thing is as good as dead. It is only a matter of time before the RCP shows up as the last nail in the coffin.

  • Barnes

    Someone get out a firehose.

    Also, do you guys mean “David Dittemore?”

  • Meanie

    I was worried it would devolve into this sort of libtard nonsense.

    Wallstreet willfully sank the our country and the world economy, by betting against it, and for the most broad heinous premeditated crime we have seen in decades they received accolades and a bail out. Not a single person has been investigated, or arrested for any reason.

    but its a good thing those animal rights protesters are camped out at westlake, maybe the world just needs some more vegan potlucks.

  • Barnes

    Haha, even they know that nobody likes a smelly sycophant in a Bob Avakian shirt. That’s why they created front groups like the World Can’t Wait.

  • Grover

    What does any of this have to do with Westlake Park?  They’re mad at Wall Street and the government, so they occupy Westlake Park?  lol

    That makes a lot of sense.

  • activist

    people are dumb on here yeah good thing other people are doing it that means i dont have to get my fat ass up

  • impeaceful

    Oh and this will stop soon. It will only stop unless we let them… suckas cant believe there are ignorant people on here … one day they will look into there shit hole they live and be like dang maybe i should get up and do something. yeah right

  • Jefferson

    Hey I want to go camping! I want free time to protest!   I do hope the animal activists will do something about the homeless kids in that park dragging pitbulls around on chains…that would be a great start.

  • Tired of Whites Blaming Blacks

    At lease Occupy Wall Street is doing something about the Economy. Congress is not, Obama is not and the Racist Tea Baggers surely are in the hands of Wall Street spreading their neo nazi christian bullshit all over the country.  I am proud of the Occupy Wall Street crowd! Good on them! I’m joining!

  • Barnes

    Doing what? These people are not vanguards of needed change; they’re a laugh line.

  • Anonymous

    Who is running our country these days? Not the middle class, it has never been the poor, not our politicians,- it is the rich- the super rich. We have a shadow government where our votes are meaningless. 

    I say it is past time to bring justice to america! stop the corporate takeover of AMerica!

  • Bark More, Wag Less

    Glad the weather turned so shitty. Will Westlake’s resident juggalos and crusties be spanging them too?

  • Bark More, Wag Less

    Is Radiohead coming??????!!!!!!!

  • 99%

    “First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win.” M. Gandhi

  • 99%

    wow way to piss on the people trying to make the world a better place for you and your family…(im guessing your not making over 150k per year… you at least know what a juggalo is, btw icp sold you out)

  • Bark More, Wag Less

    “would like to see a smaller federal government and wants the state legislature to “get together and stop accepting handouts from the federal government.”

    Looks like Remy’s gonna get voted off the island. I guess that 99% number is kind of made up.

  • Bark More, Wag Less

    I”m confused, if you’re the 99% how how I1098 only got 35% of the vote in WA State?

  • Bark More, Wag Less

    We’ll make close to $150K this year, plus some of my investments have done very well. IRAs are back to 2008 levels and the house is still way above what we paid for it. Might even take some equity out this year and redo the kitchen…you know, give someone a good paying job.

    But apparently I’m in the 99% still! Ribbing shoulders with the riff raff. Love it. Hope the stink of patchouli can be washed out though.

  • Bark More, Wag Less

    BTW are Radiohead coming??????!!!!!!!! I heard they are. Let me know, I’ll skip out of work early for that!!!

  • Anonymous

    Trying to make the world better?  For others?  Hilarious. These people are the epitome of self-centered greed, taking something while providing nothing.  More power to them for making their case, but that doesn’t mean we have to capitulate.

  • Jamesmi

    Fun to see the Lyndon LaRouche wing of the Democrat Party has found a catchy moniker to pull in the media. I just have to wonder, if they now want to “Occupy Seattle”, where did they come here from ? Did they used to occupy Bellevue ?, Medina ?, Clyde HIll ? Mercer Island ? I think the “press” needs to do a person by person survey of these newcomers. Also, what are their future plans ? Do they plan to occupy Tacoma and Everett at some point ? When they occupy a place, do they bring their own food and toilet closets ? Will they be staying overnight ? If so, where will they stay, and will they pay for lodging with gold ?Anyone figure out the cultural roots of this kind of “protest” ? I hope they eventually wear matching outfits.

  • Fascist Hunter

    Corporations are NOT people and money is NOT speech.  Productivity has surged, but income and wages have stagnated for
    most Americans.  If the median household
    income had kept pace with the economy since 1970, it would now be nearly
    $92,000, not $50,000.

    There is only one rule for today’s Republicans: People and companies
    who can afford to give large political contributions need to be shielded from
    taxes. Any taxes, apparently. Everyone else
    is to shoulder that burden instead.

  • Peter

    Wow, there are some alarmingly ignorant comments, here. Here’s the truth of it: America is made up of sheep, who are too ignorant or afraid to proactively fight for survival, until they’re being eaten… by donkeys and elephants, in this case. I was down there protesting, today, because I – and a handful of other courageous folk – would rather that our children not have to fight for survival when they’ve been bleed out by the special interest-serving politicians that staff our government. The purpose of this movement – and historical movements like it – is to assert the strength of a national consensus: that corporate money and politicians need to get out of Washington. If enough people show up, it inspires media coverage and, hopefully, political change. If people don’t show up, one more popular movement dies.

    Nowadays, meaningful political change requires A) informing the people and B) changing their habits. We start by getting the attention of the people and the media, move for national discourse on necessary changes, and try to keep that discourse focused on those changes. The foremost change, in my opinion, ought to be voting out incumbent politicians. This has to stem, though, from intense public scrutiny of political corporate pandering and the failure of Wall Street’s stolen wealth to aid the public. That’s what we’re trying to draw attention to.

    You know, the ancient Greek word for “idiot” meant someone who was ‘politically misinformed or inactive’. I have a master’s degree in biomedical science and will be entering medical school, next year, but the only thing that marks me as “not an idiot” is the fact that I was out there, today. When your kids are dirt poor while suffering through 60-80hr work weeks, I bet they’ll ask, “Where were you?”

  • Bark More, Wag Less

    You know, when you call the majority of voters ‘idiots’ you’re pretty much ending your movement. Thanks!

    BTW are Radiohead coming????!!!!

  • Bark more, wag less

    “Everyone else is to shoulder that burden instead.”

    It’d be easier if Radiohead were playing! Are they coming, do you know?

  • Bark more, wag less

    “I’m joining!”

    So are Radiohead I hear! THis is gonna rock.

  • Bark more, wag less

    “so they occupy Westlake Park”

    Well if Radiohead comes, they’re gonna need the space!

  • Peter

    Some cultures recognize the importance of political involvement and actively shame people who aren’t involved. I’m happy to say “shame on you”, because I recognize what’s at stake. America needs to wake up and get on board. If people’s pride and smugness (yours are a great example) prevent that, there’s nothing to be done about it but keep trying & waiting. As their quality of life crumbles so will their contentedness with trolling around on the internet.

    I’m surprised you listen to Radiohead. I doubt that they’d want you as a fan.

  • Bark more, wag less

    “”People are born with certain faces, like my father was born with a face that people want to hit.”

    T. Yorke

  • Bark more, wag less

    Is Radiohead coming or not?

  • Thom Yorke

    It’s official, Radiohead is coming to Seattle!

  • Peter

    Come on down and find out!

    Haha, you really don’t sound like someone whose household makes $150,000/yr. You sound like a fourteen year old idiot, in the American sense. I feel sorry, since your partner probably bears the brunt of the monetary responsibility. Peace, brother; you’re gonna be hard-pressed to find it.

  • Uncle Samuel

    in a democracy, the people can speak, not speak, speak about the speakers, and speak about the speakers who speak about speakers…

  • RadioHeadFan4Life

    Radiohead would be great.  
    Nothing like dreary and emotively flaccid music
    For the polite and corralled crowd.
    It’s not a demonstration or a protest, it’s not organized.
    Keep it simple.  Shut up and let the leaders in the Wall Street protest talk about what is foundational about these protests of the leaders in Wall Street.  And don’t do it when and where you have permission.  Do it in an intersection.

    (BTW, Radiohead, R.E.M. finally broke up.  You should be next.)

  • Godwin

    The dominant ideology thesis, that is, that people who won’t join you are just ignorant, and brainwashed by the man, is bullshit. It might be because your line is bullshit.

  • Godwin

    No dude. But I hear the Peace Heathens are getting the band back together!

  • Godwin

    Consensus process: the 99% agree to storm the barricades, the 1% block, endless discussion ensues…minority rule.

  • shumanthehuman

    your article sucks. there are more then 80 out there. the reps for groups to do not vote on decessions, they merely discuss how things are going with the other reps. Also they are not all “leftys” even your cover photo is a guy with a sign that says “end the fed” the people down there come from all back rounds and sides, not just the left

  • shumanthehuman

    also, the folks in new york are not sleeping outside of wall street, they are sleeping in a public park with permission from the city, just thought you should know

  • Blue Light

    60 to 80 protestors “occupy” Seattle.
    Like two or three fleas occupy a dog.

  • PAUX

    All you have is “BARK”. So you are making over a mil, good for you, the rest of us are the 99%.

  • PAUX

    What? When you have something of merit to say then post, but to deride and make personal attacks shows your mentality, or lack of.

  • PAUX

    You need to take a comprehension lesson. The productivity in the US is way up, meaning that the workers are producing more while their pay has either gone down or stayed stagnant. While the CEO’s pay has gone up 400%. You tell me who is shouldering the burden. Your comments indicate one nasty piece of work of humanity.

  • PAUX

    “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter” Martin Luther King Jr. I applaude those individuals that are taking a stance on the oozing coruption of wall street and the political power it controls. Accountability is lacking, the people’s voices are not being heard above the trasfer of money.

  • PAUX

    What ine are you talking about? It is ok with you that these wall street gamblers cost the loss of pensions for countless americans, without recourse to their actions? So it is ok to you to be robbed by the man in the suit. I didnot read any posts that called anyone not participating as ignorant, I did read that their actions is in the interest of those not making a million+ a year, interest in a just future for the children now growing up. At least they have principals and don’t call others names without a point.

  • Dan

    The name calling is fascinating. The people running corporations and Wall Street literally steal many trillions, and then demand our Federal government bail out their criminal activity and get the money from the rest of us taxpayers, so people finally start protesting and your first reaction is to call them names.

    What does that make you name callers? Vicious “political idiots” as defined above, and/or clearly wannabe accomplices in our big corporations crimes.

    Jerks is another word that describes you.

  • Thom Yorke

    If you’re the 99% you should put another income tax on the WA state ballot!

  • Bark More, Wag Less

    “there are more then 80 out there”

    Well, not if you don’t count the juggalos, crusties and Radiohead fans.

  • Bark More, Wag Less

    “get the money from the rest of us taxpayers”

    You know the TARP funds were paid back by the banks, with interest? You know that right? GM and Chrysler are the only holdouts and if you ask me, with their shitty cars, they should have been let go under.

  • Bark More, Wag Less

    “Jerks is another word that describes you.”

    The majority of American voters if you judge the last election. But keep calling Americans ‘idiots’, its what the far left is good at, insulting Americans.

  • Guest

    I hope for a rainy and cold few days. That should clear out the hippies and let business continue as usual.

  • Jefferson

    I have lack of mentality?  OK?  I am glad you get to police what is of merit and not Paux. 

  • Bark More, Wag Less

    …or a Radiohead concert in Zuccotti Park.

  • CBO

    “It is ok with you that these wall street gamblers cost the loss
    of pensions for countless Americans, without recourse to their actions?”

    Is anybody forced to put their retirement savings into the stock market?  I just have had mine sitting in a money market for the last few years to ride out the volatility of the market.

    Why should I be mad at Wall Street?  They just want to make money.  I would rather direct my anger at the politicians that deregulated the market by repealing Glass-Steagall.  Be pissed at the supporters of free trade and NAFTA, if you want to complain about the loss of jobs.  Get mad at an administration that has done next to nothing to create new jobs.  What about the middle class that shot itself in the foot by overextending themselves on a 20 year binge of credit so the could by shit they couldn’t afford and didn’t need.

    Sorry, I’m not buying into the wall street boogeyman. Our economic woes are far to complicated to be pinned on the backs of one group of people.

  • 42K deficit

    your 92K 50K fact is the key fact every democrat should be but fails to trumpet up and down this nation, state and city.  they should be talking about the 42K annual deficit income deficit on every kitchen table.

    too bad they’re spineless hacks who dedicate themsevles to inserting little tax breaks for safeco field, or telling other democats that closing the bank loophole doesn’t matter becase it’s only $176 million. 

  • Thom Yorke

    You folks are going to have a hard time convincing people that a bunch of underemployed art students with Macs and iPhones, juggalos, old hippies, LaRouchies, crusties, hobos and other assorted and confused, middle class white kids with time are their hands are ‘ordinary working Americans’.

  • Fish

    Hmmm, what would make productivity go UP and wages go DOWN? Maybe a population of people that are willing to work for HALF the market value? Illegal aliens maybe? The left is entirely to blame for the stagnation in wages for their lack of willingness to do anything to stop the onslaught of illegals.

  • armchair analysis

    the tarp loan was a gift, instead of just payback the deal whould have ben the public owns 40% for the next 50 years sucking out bankster profits to help reduce our debt.  we saved their ass, should have been treated as investors not lenders.  it was a wild risk, usually earning an upside.  so yes, we should have done TARP compared to not doing anything and letting unemployment go to 40% around the world, but also yes, we got taken for a ride, suckered, cheated and looted ……somehow people know this and the failure of the so called liberal left in this nation to utter any critique of this is what is driving these protests.  

    i’d like to see inslee there.  championing closing the out of state bank tax loophole, and closing other loopholes, and saying I will instruct the state ag to drop this antihelath care lawsuit instead of making legalistic stupid arguments about severability and not standing for a middle class budget for the state, a budget that restores teachers and basic health and so on.  too many people like you see the harshness and cruelty in our system and decide to suck up to the greedy 1% even though your income is far from it; this is typical throughout history there has always been collaborators, trusty’s helping jailers, mercenaries who help the local overlord, the reason here is not pay as in former times but simply psychic satisfaction of dumping on what is good and right in a total defense mechanism to protect yourself from the fear you can’t abide. 

  • “idiot” on display

    ah yes, the american population is soooo smart, we’re doing sooooo well, this is why over the last 40 years middle class incomes have gon up up and up, and this is why our working clas and poor people are better off than those in germany!  obviously the dominant policies sincew 1981 are why instead of being on a par with canada in terms of personal income per capita, we are now 30% higher!  woo hoo we’re no. 1

  • http://www.twitter.com/joeszi Joe Szilagyi

    I wish that Josh would say “fuck it” and reveal how many of these posters are the same person based on IP address. Based on language, I’d say “most or all”. 

  • Bark More Wag Less

    “Lack of mentality”….it’s a Radiogead song!

  • Bark more wag less

    If you want to pay high middle class taxes like Germans and Canadians, be my guest. Nothing stopping you besides their strict immigration policies.

    By the way, as an actual European, can I say, it’s best not to use exclamation marks after the word “Germany”, which, btw, is about to enjoy bailing out the Greek socialist party…sorry ‘government’.

  • arguing with bmwl

    that’s right, nothign stopping me from pointout out your bs.  you make an argument that american voters aren’t idiots, I point out that you’re wrong because of FATS like germany middle class is rising while ours is falling or canada gdp per cap is rising while ours is stagnant at the median and your response is …nothing.  let me say it again:
    since 1981 this idea of small gummint has been proposed by people like you.
    since then we cut cut cut taxes and gummint.  when others try a stimulus the righties block it and water it down.
    the result is our nation is declining.

    how do I prove it’s possible to go the other route?  i point to real world example like germany and canada.
    you know, using facts and stuff like that.  your response is zero, you throw in bs like talking about exclamation points.  and the fact that germany is doing well enough to bail out greeice proves my point…not yours. 
    yes, if we want higher taxes, yes we can have a growing economy and more jobs and more opportunity, and yes the middle class can start rising again.  sounds good to me.

  • JG

     I’m going to go and check it out and lunch and make a donation

  • Thom Yorke

    Speaking of idiots, is English your first language?

  • Monster

    ah the poor fagit who couldnt be a cop is bitching becuase people dont hold his views, how is your weepy blog going these days? any more homoerotic Dr. Who imagery up?

  • Rustypelican

    This latest wave of protests appears to be the same crowd of malcontents that comprise the permanent protest infrastructure of the political left.  These guys are always protesting something: nuclear arms, the WTO in Seattle, any war during a Republican administration, animal rights, global warming, etc.  The one thing none of these professional protesters ever seems to be burdened with is a job. 

  • Thom Yorke

    Please don’t encourage spanging….

  • Onlythefoolplaysitcool

    Yes, occupy Seattle is small right now. But it is not just a protest, it is an occupation, which makes up for its numbers with the amount of time they disrupt the status quo of westlake. Whats the point? I think it is to send a message of solidarity with the other 170 cities with occupations right now, and with the middle east’s Arab spring, and the European riots/protests, and the Australian occupations. Plus, if a small occupation can hold out in Seattle until something big happens in occupy wall street or dc or la — then all the small occupations could ride that inspiration and explode all at once. 

    This is a new kind of protest because it is (one) an occupation, (two) supported by facebook and twitter, (three) leaderless and intentional community focused, (four) cyber-connected to every other occupation/protest in America. These give occupy Seattle an unprecedented potential, which we cant yet predict. All I expect from these growing occupations is a strong message to the media and a sort of mass practicing of our new protest tools/skills (i.e. horizontal leadership + social networking + classic protesting = potential for the same power as the Arab Spring). If that is all we accomplish this time, that is a win for people and a new weapon against world tyranny.

  • fount

    maybe if you make the joke a 5th time it will finally be funny.

    nevertheless, it does have more internal logic than most of your posts.

  • fount

    “taking something while providing nothing”

    “epitome of self-centered greed”

    except for your hideously conservative mentality, one might imagine you were talking about wallstreet. but i guess short sales have done a lot for you lately?

  • MPB

    The toilets are being provided by Target which happens to be hosting their own event this week in the other part of the park.

    And to thank Target for being so nice, the protestors have a sign out slamming Target and their union-busting (??).

    I work nearby (real nearby) and it is annoying… as I write this, they’re out there chanting whatever, banging drums or something.  Incessantly.  But whatever… not like they’re smelly or rude or obnoxious or…wait, never mind.

  • Thom Yorke

    Did you hear what time Radiohead is playing?

  • Thom Yorke

    “ potential for the same power as the Arab Spring”

    Except we don’t have a dictator. 

    I heard that once in a Radiohead song!

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Top earners are the target for new tax increases, but the U.S. tax system is already highly progressive. The top 1 percent of income earners paid 38 percent of all federal income taxes in 2008, while the bottom 50 percent paid only 3 percent. Forty-nine percent of U.S. households paid no federal income tax at all.

    It’s us in the upper middle who should be complaining.

  • Leroy Brown

    I heard Nirvana is going to play there Friday if this thing keeps up. Where’s my Kurt shovel?

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Your math is off folks. Only 0.74% of Americans make more than $250K a year, so it’s not millionaires you’re after. Drop that down to $100K for a household and you’re talking a sizable proportion of Seattle residents (you know, all us smart folks with masters degrees) in the top 15%.

    Maybe you need to start saying you’re the the 73.4% of households who earn less then $75K a year! Something catchy like that.

    Of course, I still don;t see how you’re the 99% and yet I1098 only got 35% of the vote.

    Fuzzy math!

  • PAUX

    No they didn’t. They also are asking for the period for the payback be extended, in order to allow themselves better bonuses. The TARP was a big gift, they also got to keep the assests while we. the taxpayers got the garbage, and we are paying the interest of this gift to the FED. GM did pay off their gift. Boy did you get this back asswords.

  • PAUX

    Rusty what, me thinks you need to get out more. The people present are from all categories of society. Professionals to unemployed (due to lack of jobs). There were several Iraq/Afghanistan vets, you know those guys that fight to protect your freedoms, and you disparage them in a heart beat. There were university students, pre med students, individuals with more intelligence that you protrude in your disconnected rant. The world would be in a better place if there was an anti proliferation agreement don’t you think? Wars are not an answer in anyones administration, it should always be the very last solution. Animal rights, I don’t feel that they should be abused, do you? Global climate change affects us all, it is something to be concerned about, that is if one cared about the future for his grandchildren. Do you understand what the WTO was about? I don’t think so. It included alll the trade agreements that disreguard our laws, our workers, our environment. It was all pro global corporations that make paupers or dead men and women to gain a bigger bottom line for themselves. You postulate on what you know nothing about. All present  at the occupy Seattle; were employed, had a part-time job,were students  and worked, were retired or were out of work due to the fact that there are very few available. Stop listening to the FOX or glenn and hannity, read more on the subjects that you mentioned and wake up.

  • PAUX

    The highest bracket for annual income is $50 million or more. Only 74 Americans are in this elite group. The average income within this category was $91.2 million in 2008. As astonishing as that is, in 2009 they averaged $518.8 million each, or about $10 million per week. This means, in the depths of the recession, the richest 74 Americans increased their income by more than 5 times within this one year. These 74 people made more money than 19 million workers combineIn context, overall, the richest 400 people in the US have as much wealth as 154 million Americans combined, that’s 50% of the entire country. The top economic 1% of the US population now has a record 42% of all wealth, and have more wealth than 92% of the population combined.  This is a little different from your numbers, there is a big difference between $250 thousand and $518.8 million.

  • anti bm

    reply to the below.  I assume your off point comment is because I don’t spell check.  This is because in debating with idiots, they’re not worth my time to spell check.  same with punctuation.  none of that detracts from the point, which you all have no response to:

    our middle class is falling, while germany and canada’s are rising.
    the reason is the idiotic small gummint policies that too many idiots like yourselves back.
    when this is pointed out to you you distract with comments like “don’t use exclamation points” or comments about grammar.
    the point is this since you seem so obtuse:  the middle class in nations like canada and germany with bigger gumming including stronger regulation and more social programs is better off economically than our middle class therefore the american dream is being achieved more in nations like germany and canada in which the middle is better off becuase, get this you math whizz, you net out the BENEFITS from gummint you don’t just look at taxes as if they produce nothing in canada and germany they go to things like tuition for your kid or your health care.  so when you all say “omg they have higher taxe there!” you’re arguing that the middle class there is worse off.  but they’re not.  because you’re being idiotic to only look at tax, not benefits.  if you want the middle classs to keep on declining, keep on pushing this small gummint point of view, keep on convincing too many americans to buy it, and keep on telling us we’re wrong to say this is all wrong.  you’re playing the roles the kock brothers want you to play, perfectly. 

  • Buster the Body Crab

    PAUX,  thank you for telling the simple truth of it.
    It is horrendous greed.  Personally I have no hope for the so called nation station of “united states”  that has since 1913 (Woodrow Wilson) become “united monopolies”.
     
    the USA is not a nation state.  There are only two countries on earth that are this category.  There were 3.  USA, UK and Hong Kong.  These three  (now just the two USA and UK) are just “economic zones”. 
     
    This is where the greediest and richest are allowed to do anything they want to do,  pretty much to anybody else, unless they are the .05 percent of the top rich.

    How can help these protestors.  do they need money, coffee, sandwitchs.. anything.  I want to help them.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Yes, except you fail one basic economic tenant: economies are not like pizza pies where everyone grabs a slice from a fixed pie. Economies grow, from increases in productivity. ie. you need to make your own slice.

  • Look it up

    Paux, the highest bracket for annual income is $379,151+. You’ve proven repeatedly on this thread that you are either incredibly dishonest or profoundly stupid.

  • Look it up

    Do you have a clue what you’re talking about? With less than 30 seconds of research you could have discovered that in fact the only two TARP recipients that haven’t repaid their loans in full are AIG and GM. Did you make up the garbage about extensions and bonuses yourself or is that part of the larger group’s talking points? You’re either incredibly dishonest or profoundly stupid.

  • poseur

    I don’t listen to Fox or Hannity or Beck or any of that crap, and I completely agree with rustypelican. 

  • poseur

    I disagree. I think the right is also to blame; after all, Republican business owners complaining about illegal immigrants oddly love to hire them. It’s just another distracting red herring used by the right to vilify Democrats.

    It’s so tiresome.

  • poseur

    Hippies love drums.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Just walked by brake away the bums, juggalos, crusties, you have maybe 40 hardcore protesters. Take away those with stinky dreads, face tatts and lip piercings, you have maybe 10 who could get a job.

    Sorry, this revolution will be televised, as a sitcom.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Oh, and take away the ones with obvious mental health problems, like the weepy fat Asian trannie giving orders you only have the reporters.

  • Bark More Wag Less

    Take away the ones with obvious mental health problems, you’re left with the press and cops.

  • FrequentPoster

    The cops should come in and take their tents. That ought to do the trick. If they get new tents, then the cops should take those, and so on.

  • FrequentPoster

    I hate the fuckin’ drums. They are the last refuge of the talentless.

  • Evan Swope

    Unfortunately proxies don’t prevent IP identification, or blocking, and can be very common on commercial networks. No guarantees.

  • http://www.twitter.com/joeszi Joe Szilagyi

    That’s giving the average commenter on a site like this a lot of credit, to assume that they’d have the know-how to do such things, let alone know the difference between “onion” as it relates to something like commonly used proxy and anonymity tools versus what goes on their sandwiches. They could know, but… 

  • Evan Swope

    The 99% is a silly argument, it’s true. Obviously there is no 99% solidarity on any issue, and never will be. I1098 broke down on party lines, and a complex system of welfare-doling by King county (obviously the most population-dense and educated county) and welfare-resenting rural counties (almost everything beyond 50 miles outside of Seattle). Coming from the historically strongly conservative East, the fear of income taxes on the rich eventually trickling down to the middle and working classes was a considerable talking point that, despite how I feel about its merits, was foundational in convincing impoverished people to vote against shifting tax burdens in their favor. I’m not going to call voters idiots– because that’s not that case. They’re not sheep either. They’re social creatures and social cohesion on political issues is often actually a stronger influence than voting what we “think is right,” or “educated.”

  • Bark More, Wag Less

    Errrr, I-1098 lost by 10% in King County as well.

  • SparkinThe206

    And if you need an electrician, let’s talk.