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Poll: Voters Like Vehicle License Fee

This post has been updated to reflect the fact that some of the findings cited in the original post are from an earlier survey, not the TCC poll.

An unreleased poll by a coalition including the Cascade Bicycle Club, Transportation Choices Coalition, and the Downtown Seattle Association concludes that likely Seattle voters are willing to support a new vehicle license fee of up to $80 to pay for additional transit service.

According to sources familiar with the poll results, a strong majority of poll respondents said they’d support the license fee, which would come on top of a $20 license fee the council approved earlier this year, to pay to expand “transit speed and reliability” through improvements like an expanded streetcar system.

The city also has the option of asking voters to approve a sales tax of up to 0.2 percent, or implementing tolls on city streets. Not surprisingly, the sales tax polled poorly. In a separate survey commissioned by the Citizens Transportation Advisory Committee, a slim majority of voters said they would support tolls on city streets.

Additionally, the poll found that the license fee wouldn’t hurt the $231 million Families and Education Levy if the fee went on the ballot alongside the levy in November—good news for transit supporters, who had worried that adding another fee to the ballot could cause support for the education levy to lag.

Finally, the poll found that voters were more likely to support transit expansion than basic maintenance—partly, some suggested, because the question about maintenance referred to funding maintenance “instead of” transit expansion.

The city council has just 11 weeks to put any funding package on the ballot.

The full poll results should be released in the next week or two.


  • Monster

    that “poll” sounds a little too goo to be true. 

  • Monster

    that “poll” sounds a little too goo to be true. 

  • Moon

    you sound a little too retarded to be false.

  • Moon

    you sound a little too retarded to be false.

  • Anonymous

    In other news, Real Change reports the homeless are in unanimous support of higher property taxes.

  • Monster

    hahahaha he called me retarded. you sound like a faggy seattle liberal who gets butthurt and not from your nightly ass poundings

  • Monster

    imagine that people who don’t pay taxes want them to go up.

  • MM

    Wow, you really are dumb.

  • Monster

    wow you really believe propaganda from a special interest group

  • Mek

    As much as I utterly hate mr. get his jollies of the comment section of this site, and actually laughed at your comment. It is just as offensive as any of his homophobic comments and should be edited or removed by Josh.

  • jimu

    Notice how the Cascade bike club is involved in this poll.

    Where did they conduct this poll? Outside Trader Joe’s?

  • Monster

    im glad i made you laugh.

  • Monster

    then soo should moons use of the R word

  • Guest

    Hmmm…. poll sponsored by the Cascade Bicycle Club supporting more road fees. Shocking. The same people questioning the McGinn poll on lack of popularity should show the same inquisitiveness on this one.

  • Anonymous

    85% of households in Seattle have cars. 

  • ivan

     He’s a lot more fun now than when he posted as Barleywine. I think he has finally found his true level.

  • ivan

    I think the MVET is the best way to raise the money, and I favor it. But the notion that people would support local tolls is preposterous. My best guess is that local tolls don’t even outpoll the surface option, which sits at what, 25-27 percent? 

  • Anonymous

    Is there a tax Seattleites don’t like?

  • Anonymous

    Nobody’s ever polled the surface option without surrounding it with anti-surface language. WSDOT’s polling on the subject was totally a push poll to make people want the tunnel.

  • ivan

    Oh, I get it. And a poll from Transportation Choices and the Cascade Bicycle Club would be totally impartial, right? 

  • Anonymous

    ivan – it’s in our best interests as activists to poll impartially, because we want to know what voters will agree with. WSDOT wasn’t reliant on a vote to get the tunnel, so that wasn’t their incentive. So yes, this poll is likely a lot more impartial than WSDOT’s, because it wouldn’t make sense for it not to be.

  • Not news

    This is a giant load of nothing without an actual published poll with transparent methodology. Right now its just CBC saying “People want what we want, trust us, we asked them.”

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    A rumor about a poll.

    Really?

  • jimu

    Yes. Taxing bicycles.

  • jimu

    Yes. Taxing bicycles.

  • This City Is A Goner.

    It’s so great that the citizens of Seattle are willing to impose and $80 tax on bicycle licenses!

  • Mek

    Is he posting as repete, too?

  • MM

    Why did you leave out the poll’s other sponsor, the historically conservative Downtown Seattle Association?

  • Anc

    “In a separate survey commissioned by the Citizens Transportation Advisory Committee, a slim majority of voters said they would support tolls on city streets.”

    Is this saying that a slim majority support congestion pricing?  If so how would it work with Federal and State roads?

  • Monster

    which is funny, becuase you think they would be all for maintianing the infastructer they use. Their bikes use roads paid for by funds from gas taxes, yet when there is any mention of making them contribute they freak out. my postion would be a a 20-50 dollar tax, or user fee, or what ever  on any bike over $400.

  • Not going to happen

    Haha, yeah right. Cyclists are not expected to get a license demonstrating they understand the rules of the road and are competent in the use of their vehicle, they are not required to carry liability or injury insurance and they’re not required to register plates or registration numbers with any agency (lol, red light cameras). They’re also not required to contribute to a usage fee for the infrastructure and transportation spending they take up (50% more than their portion of the pie). As long as we have a “Mayor” bought and paid for by the bike lobby this won’t change.

  • Mickymse

    And exactly how many people in Seattle do you know who only ride a bicycle and never drive a car?

  • Monster

    if they can afford a $500+ bike they can afford to another $20 to maintain their precious bike lanes.

  • http://jabailo.tumblr.com John Bailo

    Seattlites should be participating the real debate on tax fairness — the Asset Tax on Intangibles as envisioned in HB2100.

    Taxing Intellectual Property is the nature outgrowth of Constitutional law that allows protections of those assets as property.   If they are property, then they are taxable in the same manner and represent what our Government is defending and protecting.

    I exhort you to look beyond stopgap measures like fees that unfairly hit the low end taxpayer and rectify the current situation with an Asset Tax.

  • http://jabailo.tumblr.com John Bailo

    Seattlites should be participating the real debate on tax fairness — the Asset Tax on Intangibles as envisioned in HB2100.

    Taxing Intellectual Property is the nature outgrowth of Constitutional law that allows protections of those assets as property.   If they are property, then they are taxable in the same manner and represent what our Government is defending and protecting.

    I exhort you to look beyond stopgap measures like fees that unfairly hit the low end taxpayer and rectify the current situation with an Asset Tax.

  • Shanedphillips

    Local roads aren’t paid for by gas taxes, they’re paid for by property taxes.

  • repete

    And ~52% are renters (2002)

  • Jakers

    It comes from various source, including gas tax, property, general fund.

    http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/docs/ctac/020111%20CTAC%20SDOT%20Budget%20_FINAL.pdf

  • Jakers

    Interesting. Where does IP reside for taxation purposes?

  • repete

    That will go nowhere. 
    Intellectual property will be transferred to a better tax climate and
    production of said property will go with it. 
    How would the value of intellectual property be assessed?  And would @Mek get a tax credit?

  • repete

    It should go without saying that any pole published without methodology is of no value.  Self appointed pundits or organizations delivering pole interpretations should be summarily dismissed.  Human nature drives us to herd up with the majority.  Word a pole to (or a referendum in the case of Holmes) to create a marginally plausible result, tell the herd what the rest of the herd thinks, and viola, self fulfilling prophesies.   What Publicola has published is a pole with the single data point of the cascade bicycle cabal.  But it did generate some amusing comments.

  • Mek

    Can you please answer just one simply question, are you posting as Monster, too?

  • repete

    Someone with your profound analytical resources ought to be able to determine that for them self.  Would you seek to devalue the comments of the persona of Monster because Monster is repete, or visa versa?   Should not each comment be evaluated on its own merits rather than ad hominem assumption? And why would Monster or repete give you a definitive answer when it is so fun watching you wonder? 

  • Mek

    Why do you talk about ‘repete’ in the third person?

  • Mek

    And the fact that you are having ‘fun’ means that you get the same jollies of of this alter ego as you do your others.

  • Mike

    So there are just two guys posting here – tossing insult grenades at one in other.
    What a waste of ink.