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State, City, County Leaders Stand United Against McGinn on Tunnel

At a press conference at Sound Transit headquarters packed with labor leaders, downtown businesses leaders, and city and county staffers this morning, Gov. Chris Gregoire announced that the state has joined a lawsuit filed by Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes earlier this week to avert a public referendum on three agreements the city council signed with the state on the deep-bore tunnel—a declaration of war, essentially, against Mayor Mike McGinn, who has insisted that “the people have a right to vote” on the project whether or not the three agreements are legally subject to the referendum process. In his suit, Holmes argues that they are not.

“We have joined in to the lawsuit brought by Pete Holmes,” Gregoire said. “We have every intention of making it clear that we believe, legally, that [the agreements are] not referable to the voters. We have … a binding contract. It is time to move on.”

Gregoire said the state had the legal right to move forward on the project despite the fact that referendum supporters turned in signatures earlier this week. “There is no referendum today,” Gregoire said.

“Had Pete Holmes not brought the action, we would have brought the action,” Gregoire said.

Asked whether she thought the people should be allowed to have a say on the tunnel (nearly 29,000 Seattle voters signed petitions to put the anti-tunnel measure on the ballot), Gregoire said she was “really sorry … that they were asked to [collect signatures]” (a harsh jab at what everyone knows is a McGinn campaign.)

In unusually strong language, city, county, and state representatives—including city council member Richard Conlin, King County Executive Dow Constantine, and Gregoire—said elected officials had repeatedly approved the tunnel, and argued that a referendum aimed at stopping the project would result in costly delays.

Gregoire, who argued that “the cost of delay will fall squarely on our taxpayers,” setting the state back and “threaten[ng] our economy,” said that to delay building the tunnel would cost tens of millions. “Who’s going to pay for that $20 million [a month], ” Gregoire asked rhetorically, referring to the amount the state estimates it would have to spend for every month of delay due to a referendum.

City and county leaders were equally adamant about the need to move forward on the tunnel. Conlin, who called the tunnel “the green alternative,” said he supported the surface/transit alternative (McGinn’s preferred option) until he “came to the conclusion that it’s just not workable” a few years ago.

“There’s been no attempt by [McGinn] as mayor to come together and provide a solution,” Conlin said. Instead, “he has provided nothing but a vision of gridlock and a formula for not making progress on this project.”

“It’s disappointing that [the tunnel] has not received the support that it ought to receive from a mayor who has claimed to be the green mayor,” Conlin said.

I asked Gregoire why, given that she vowed back in 2008 to tear down the viaduct by 2012, she’s now supporting a tunnel plan that would leave the viaduct up until 2015 at the earliest. Her response: “What we heard loud and clear in public comments is, if you’re going to replace it with the tunnel, don’t take down the viaduct unless you have to, so that we can avoid the congestion downtown.” She added: “If we think at any time that the viaduct is not safe for people, we will lock it up” and close the highway off to traffic.

Josh then asked why, given that the tunnel is a state project, state law puts the city on the hook for cost overruns. Gregoire said unequivocally: “I think we all know now, based on the advice of the city attorney and attorney, that the city is not on the hook for cost overruns,” Gregoire said. “It would require another act of the legislature, which I would veto. I’ve made that clear.”

Both Conlin and Gregoire referred repeatedly to the supposed “$1 million cost” of holding an election on the tunnel agreements. However, both city council member Mike O’Brien and Mayor Mike McGinn noted after the press conference that the referendum would be an item on the August primary ballot, and wouldn’t cost the city any extra money at all.

Asked for a reaction to today’s show of force, McGinn issued a terse, two-line statement this afternoon. “State law says Seattle will pay for all cost overruns on the deep-bored tunnel. Before putting the public on the hook for cost overruns, we should first ask their permission. That’s why I support a public vote.”

 

 


  • Anonymous

    This is all wrong…..It’s a bum rush, it’s indicative of the governors inability to manage during a State financial crisis.
    I don’t believe this is constantine’s M.O. He is a leader of partnerships. He is way way better than this.
    Unless he is under pressure to create jobs for DOT employees at all costs……however he did announce the SP bridge replacement was with the intention of creating jobs and keeping traffic open, even though it was already proven that a replacement bridge was absoltly unneccessary.

    But I can’t believe he would approach this situation like this.

    Yes, this is all wrong, Constantine and Gregoire are taking a huge risk. Gregoire has chosen the “Wisconsin”option and she’s chosen the wrong side. She has lost her cool under fire, happens to the best soldiers, best thing to do is get her off the front line.
    Corporate Freighting stakeholders know “never let a crisis go to waste” and are working on turning Seattle in the 2nd most miserable city to live in, and getting every damn semi truck on the road they can. cause they dont live here…….and Gregoire has succumb to their carrot, spouting “Gridlock, Jobs” when everyone knows gridlock has nothing to do with it. Seattle is moving to new places, R&D , Alletown, etc…….and you dopes laying down for Corporate Stockholders and Trucking Zealots.

    Gregoire is proving out to be a fair-weather Governor, this is beyond her. but Dow?….youre going Wisconsin too? ……get off that boat if you can Sir. Just tell us you had too much Robitussin and didnt know where you were at……we forgive you.

    It’s about people, The end never justifies the means Sir…….because there are no ends, only means. History reflects this first. Help the Mayor Protect the city of Seattle, Help secure a positive vision of a 21st century Seattle, that reflects its inhabitants, it’s history , It’s beauty, it’s wonderful air and water, and it’s tribal and residential cultures….don’t be on the side that wishes to exploit it in these tough times.

  • Anonymous

    This is all wrong…..It’s a bum rush, it’s indicative of the governors inability to manage during a State financial crisis.
    I don’t believe this is constantine’s M.O. He is a leader of partnerships. He is way way better than this.
    Unless he is under pressure to create jobs for DOT employees at all costs……however he did announce the SP bridge replacement was with the intention of creating jobs and keeping traffic open, even though it was already proven that a replacement bridge was absoltly unneccessary.

    But I can’t believe he would approach this situation like this.

    Yes, this is all wrong, Constantine and Gregoire are taking a huge risk. Gregoire has chosen the “Wisconsin”option and she’s chosen the wrong side. She has lost her cool under fire, happens to the best soldiers, best thing to do is get her off the front line.
    Corporate Freighting stakeholders know “never let a crisis go to waste” and are working on turning Seattle in the 2nd most miserable city to live in, and getting every damn semi truck on the road they can. cause they dont live here…….and Gregoire has succumb to their carrot, spouting “Gridlock, Jobs” when everyone knows gridlock has nothing to do with it. Seattle is moving to new places, R&D , Alletown, etc…….and you dopes laying down for Corporate Stockholders and Trucking Zealots.

    Gregoire is proving out to be a fair-weather Governor, this is beyond her. but Dow?….youre going Wisconsin too? ……get off that boat if you can Sir. Just tell us you had too much Robitussin and didnt know where you were at……we forgive you.

    It’s about people, The end never justifies the means Sir…….because there are no ends, only means. History reflects this first. Help the Mayor Protect the city of Seattle, Help secure a positive vision of a 21st century Seattle, that reflects its inhabitants, it’s history , It’s beauty, it’s wonderful air and water, and it’s tribal and residential cultures….don’t be on the side that wishes to exploit it in these tough times.

  • gohuskies

    If Seattle doesn’t pay for overruns, who will? More lawsuits, more delay, more Seattle process. What a boondoggle, and we haven’t even broken ground.

  • gohuskies

    If Seattle doesn’t pay for overruns, who will? More lawsuits, more delay, more Seattle process. What a boondoggle, and we haven’t even broken ground.

  • gohuskies

    If Seattle doesn’t pay for overruns, who will? More lawsuits, more delay, more Seattle process. What a boondoggle, and we haven’t even broken ground.

  • Big Jim Slade

    I’ll give McGinn this, given the way he’s managed to unite the opposition he is one of the most spectacular failures at being a Mayor that I can remember. You gotta go back to Sam Yorty or Dennis Kucinich’s ill-fated stint in Cleveland to find someone who stunk it up this bad.

  • Smellyfeet

    Riiiiigggght. She assembles a coalition, calls news conference and lays down a coherent response.

    Mayor McGinn snipes from the shadows, offers “from the hip” solutions(?), oh and offers a new light rail vote, just because

  • Smellyfeet

    Don’t forget Jerry Springer, he was the Mayor of Cincinnati at one point.

  • Big Jim Slade

    Yes, good point.

  • 20-something

    Last gasp of a dying (not soon enough) generation.

  • 20-something

    Last gasp of a dying (not soon enough) generation.

  • 20-something

    Last gasp of a dying (not soon enough) generation.

  • 20-something

    Last gasp of a dying (not soon enough) generation.

  • 20-something

    Last gasp of a dying (not soon enough) generation.

  • 20-something

    Last gasp of a dying (not soon enough) generation.

  • Adam

    McGinn is speaking truth to power; for that, he’s got my respect.

  • No thanks

    These guys don’t want a public vote on the tunnel… There’s no power in numbers when you’re all cowards.

  • Stacy

    McGinn and O’Brien have beaten all of these people before (2007 – RTID).

  • Big Jim Slade

    With expectations like that, you must give more respect than Ali G.

  • Adam

    Ha, I have to give mad respect for that zing.

  • Westello

    “I think we all know now, based on the advice of the city attorney and attorney, that the city is not on the hook for cost overruns,” Gregoire said. “It would require another act of the legislature, which I would veto. I’ve made that clear.”

    Put it in writing and sign it and then I’ll fight the referendum. I don’t want a tunnel but if that’s the will of the people fine, just give me a guarantee on the cost overruns. If it’s not a guarantee, then I’ll vote for the referendum.

    The people of Seattle should not be the only ones paying for this thing.

  • Westello

    “I think we all know now, based on the advice of the city attorney and attorney, that the city is not on the hook for cost overruns,” Gregoire said. “It would require another act of the legislature, which I would veto. I’ve made that clear.”

    Put it in writing and sign it and then I’ll fight the referendum. I don’t want a tunnel but if that’s the will of the people fine, just give me a guarantee on the cost overruns. If it’s not a guarantee, then I’ll vote for the referendum.

    The people of Seattle should not be the only ones paying for this thing.

  • guest

    ouch

  • sarah

    You don’t get what you want by becoming an infantile pariah. Declaiming “it’s about people” doesn’t change anything.

    20-something, I think Constantine’s the same generation as McGinn, so which one do you want to die first?

  • mickey

    Dow is “going Wisconsin”??? Do you have any relationship to reality at all? How nutty and pathetic you McGinnies have become.

  • lara

    How fitting that they come out in force at Sound Transit HQ, the same ones getting rich off that boondoggle are looking to this new one for more.

  • Bob

    McGinn and his fans are idiots, pure and simple.

  • Bob

    McGinn and his fans are idiots, pure and simple.

  • Grover

    Just watched the video of the press conference. 33 minutes of pure bullshit. Fairly frightening. However, I utterly despise McGinn. And McGinn can’t stop bullshitting, either, claiming yet again that “Seattle” would be on the hook for cost overruns, when the law says that only downtown residents who would benefit from the tunnel would pay for cost overruns — not the “City of Seattle.”

    Just an utterly sorry display all around from all parties involved. Seattle really is the City of Idiots. And the voters will not be consulted. lol

  • Verd1n

    Exactly how is any initiative costing money when the WSDOT, County and some local polls have already gone ahead and signed documents and a contract for $1.2 billion in the total absence of (1) a Final EIS, (2) a Record of Decision (ROD), (3) the federally mandated Value Engineering Study and, oh, in case I forget, a showing that the DBT meets all the criteria of the ADA. I wont even go into the power costs at $1.4 million per year for just lighting and ventilation.

  • Hung

    I wouldn’t really call a process that’s taken over 10 years a “bum rush”.

  • Numbers

    Funny thing is, they both got fewer votes than every pro-Tunnel candidate on the ballot in 2009:

    Candidate Total Votes
    Richard Conlin 136,277
    Sally Bagshaw 123,316
    Nick Licata 105,497

    Mike McGinn 105,492
    Mike O’Brien 103,435

    Now that’s an awfully quiet revolution.

    And this:

    “Would you be more likely or less likely to support a city council candidate who favors the tunnel, or would it not affect your vote one way or the other?”

    Much more likely 25%
    Somewhat more likely 14%
    Somewhat less likely 9%
    Much less likely 11%
    No effect 40%

    So the tunnel helps (39%) or makes no difference (40%) with 79%. Of course there is 11% who are strongly anti-tunnel.

  • Peter

    How did soooo many politicians become so cock sure dogmatic over something with so little rational foundation? She declares the debate to be over when in fact, there never was a public debate with full disclosure. The arrogance of disregarding the wishes of the people over a legal technicality does not bode well for this state, county, or city. Do you think we could get NATO to declare a no fly zone while we join forces with the state department and storm city hall?

  • Anonymous

    Mickey, i am a Seattle-ite, not a Mcguinny…..my family and I live here, and plan to continue to live here. We are not corporate transients, or temporary inhabitants. We live here , this is our home.

  • Anonymous

    Not the process Hung……just this sudden unified front. It is not proper conflict resolution because of that i suspect it will back-fire. I certainly could be wrong, but it is disappointng behavior nonetheless.

  • Doc Johnson

    You twenty-somethings will outnumber the oldster voters very soon–in about 30 years.

  • Peter

    I am no fan of McGinn, but when calling people idiots, it would behoove you to raise the bar a bit. Because only an idiot thinks anything is plain and simple, or anyone is just anything.

  • Phil

    This post makes me want to see the tunnel get built just so i can see what kind of ridiculous thing you will say next.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Why is the Governor fighting the use of these funds to expand I5 and I405?!

    Surely here anti-car, high tax ways must leave our frugal state!

    An overpriced 2 lane tunnel — or a wider I5 and wider I405!

    These are the choices!

    I choose better highways over a tunnel!

  • liberal tea party

    Ha Ha Ha. The port can’t come up with their share with out a vote to increase taxes!
    http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2011/03/31/vote-on-tunnel-may-happen-no-matter-what/

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Stand United?

    Against whom? McGinn and the 50% plus of the citizens who voted for him and his single issue anti-tunnel campaign?

    This is a severe case of runaway power crazed Government imposing an imperial demand counter to all rule of law and democracy.

    Surely there is lead in her teacup, for the Blue Queen has gone quite mad!

  • BlueCollarEnviro

    The South Park Bridge is the lifeline for the transit-dependent to get in and out of South Park without doing 10-minute Figure Eights. Buses can’t hydroplane.

  • Downtownresident

    This is hardly a “sudden” unified front. The state, county, port and city were all unified on this issue before McGinn got elected.

    And regarding your comment that Dow is better than this because he’s a “leader of partnerships”: I would call working together with the state, city and port to advance a shared vision an example of a partnership… in stark contrast to McGinn’s approach.

  • BlueCollarEnviro

    It would be a sign of leadership from the pro-tunnel politicians to step forward and offer a way to fund lots of new transit to take care of the 70-80,000 daily trips that the tunnel won’t.

    I might even vote for the tunnel if the state were to fund a large chunk of West Seattle light rail.

  • Deep Throat

    The worst-kept secret in city hall is that the Mayor is requesting that the Council approve $1 million for a tunnel election in his supplemental budget request. Conlin said the Mayor requested $1 million, which is accurate.

    Why is the Mayor requesting $1 million for an election then turning around and saying it’s not needed?

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    The mayor could have used all of the same information and arguments to redirect the conversation to transportation mitigation on a larger scale.

    All of the support he would need for that is in the picture in this story.
    He is unable to get the most out of this situation.
    Yesterday he proposed a vote for 10 million for design work on west side LR, now he will lose lesser Seattle.

  • Guest

    Thanks, Deep Throat, for noticing what Conlin actually said. Typing as best I can, starting at 21:15 from the Seattle Channel video here is the transcript:

    “Yesterday, our mayor announced that he was facing a potential $16 million shortfall in the city’s general fund ledger for this year. One thing he did not mention was that buried in the “Other” category among the risks that the City was facing was a million dollars as the potential cost of having a referendum on the ballot. Those are not our numbers, those are the numbers the mayor’s own budget office provided.”

    I wonder if McGinn set his tunnel-vote budget request at a million dollars in case Protect Seattle Now plans a court battle they think might last past the August primary.

  • Anonymous

    Not True Blue collar, The frustration you feel is due to inadequate bus routing and service. The city county and state would love for you to believe it’s the Bridge or lack there of, but the truth it’s piss poor planning on metro and the county’s part to have a viable contingiency plan. Remove the bridge from the equation and put the blame where it goes, on the city county and State for facilitating a transit system that is under funded and inadaquate, fortunately Metro is beginning their ten year over haul and making plans to get up to speed. but remember it isnt the Bridge, it’s the failure of our civic leaders to be prepared and have viable solutions ready.

  • sarah

    You live in Kent.

  • Selma

    He’s the mayor; he IS power. If he wanted to stay an activist or “just ask questions,” he could have saved us all a lot of agitation and just not run for office.

  • Selma

    But we’re going to pay for all of those roads anyways. It’ll all just be more expensive to do so. We’ll also get less transit too. (By the way, Publicola’s stupid commenting system has forced me to reset my browser three times already. Why won’t you fix it faster?)

  • fount

    It’s funny how the tunnel boosters who always instantly reply about how McGinn is an imbecile haven’t jumped in to reply to this.

    Who will pay for overruns?

  • tvguide

    Your ADHD must be distracting, because the Governor made a very clear statement that if there were any cost overruns, they would be a State responsibility – just like every other project in WSDOT history, in any part of Washington. She was also clear that if there was any attempt to advance a cost overrun provision to a position that it became law, she would veto it. She has made this statement multiple times at a number of venues. I hope that is clear enough for you… now get back your iPhones. Make sure you check out the “BrainWave Sharp Mind” app. It might help with the concentration/comprehension problem.

  • fount

    The current law says the State won’t pay those overruns. Current state legislators (who actually write the law) say the State won’t pay.

    Just because an (outgoing) Governor, who will be long gone by the time any actual overruns occur, says something does not make it law. The law actually says otherwise.

    To get the State to pay would “require an additional act of legislation,” something tunnel boosters seem to think is impossible.

    So, no, it’s not clear enough for me. Because it is not at all clear to anyone that doesn’t have a vested interest in seeing the project move forward.

    And I don’t have an iPhone, and don’t have any “apps.”

    Also, notice that I managed to write an entire post without insulting you or accusing you of having a learning disability. You might try it sometime.

  • Barleywine

    Why not just remove the overrun language?
    If you love the tunnel and hate McGinn, why not just push them to remove that statement? It would cut the mayor off at the knees.

    There are only two reasons not to remove it.
    1. It gives the mayor a reason to oppose the tunnel.
    2. It gives the legislature a reason to approve the tunnel.

    Get rid of the language. Unless both side kind of like it there…

  • tvguide

    Because that annoying language is already in place for the legislation that funds the tunnel, sawdust in the political sausage. To change it now would be next to impossible, but it would also be next to impossible to take it to the stature of law. It is as simple as that.

  • Grover

    The state is signing the contract with the contractor to dig the tunnel. If the state is the entity that signs the contract, then who do you think is legally responsible to pay the contractor for whatever costs the contractor is owed?

  • Grover

    The state is signing the contract with the contractor to dig the tunnel. If the state is the entity that signs the contract, then who do you think is legally responsible to pay the contractor for whatever costs the contractor is owed?

  • mickey

    Cracker, that’s so touching.

    I’ve lived in Seattle for 27 years, and never have I witnessed such rank incompetence from the mayor’s office. It truly is Amateur Hour up on the 7th floor.

    As for your comment regarding “Dow…going Wisconsin”: It’s clear you know very little about either Dow Constantine OR what’s taking place in the Wisconsin statehouse. The situations in Washington and Wisconsin aren’t even a matter of mixing apples and oranges – they don’t exist in the same political universe. Please come back when you can make more sense. Until then, I’m comforted knowing you’re not a corporatist transplant. I’m just trying to figure out what that’s got to do with the price of beer. My best to your family.

  • Anonymous

    And as a result we got less transit than we would have. McGinn may have ‘won’, but we all lost.

  • Barleywine

    It is annoying.

    But if that’s the thing that would get the process moving, I can’t believe it would be impossible to take it out. I don’t believe it. Just take it out.

    It wouldn’t take a million dollars, or four billion.
    Just take it out.

    It’s like you were buying my house, and you stuck something in there that says if the financing fell through, or there were something in the inspection that you didn’t like, then you could ravage my daughter any way you pleased. And you said “Hey, it’s unenforceable!”

    Just take it out.

  • BlueCollarEnviro

    Okay, genius. Lay out your plan for a decent bus line without the bridge. I’m all ears.

  • BlueCollarEnviro

    How ironic that they come out in force at Sound Transit HQ, since there is no transit in the tunnel plan.

  • Disqus_CEO

    Wow, disqus does suck.

    Hey fount, have you ever heard of unenforceable legislation? AKA, laws with no teeth? Are you even capable of acknowledging such a thing in the face of your tunnel hatred?

    Maybe I should re-phrase that—how is the state going to bill you for your perceived overrun? Send a notice to Seattle Resident fount for x dollars? Do you really think that is legal/enforceable? Is the CIA following you too?

    Wait, maybe they’ll sneak it in your property tax bill! That goes through King County, so they could… wait, I don’t have any laws allowing the King County Executive (the one you just saw at the press conference) to tack on that extra amount…

    Keep trying, keep trying, keep trying. One day someone will think you were a valiant opponent in a worthy fight.

  • Barleywine

    Are you saying that the language was bogus from the start, but was put in there to fool the rest of the state legislators into voting for it?

  • Phyllis

    Just because you haven’t been paying attention for the past decade+ doesn’t mean that a public debate hasn’t occurred.

  • Papi

    Yet she said she didn’t know who would pay a $54 million cost for delaying the project by only a few weeks…

  • Phil

    Honestly I don’t know why I even care, I still cannot afford to buy my own place in Seattle weather they build this tunnel or not.

  • Charlie Mas

    Yes, there was a public debate, but it never came to any resolution. It certainly didn’t come to a resolution that favored this stupid tunnel with no downtown on-ramps or off-ramps.

    The public debate was cut off by electeds who put together the tunnel plan.

  • Anonymous

    the truth is that this was done wrong starting ten years ago…..and now the results of a failed process are evident.

    Here’s what should have happened if we had enlightened capable leadership.
    Civic responsibility- build the safest and least expensive option with taxpayer dollars
    option 1- do nothing……safest and cheapest
    option2- surface option…..next safest and cheapest.

    put it to a vote…….either taxpayers pick #1 or #2

    If freighting and development wants a tunnel or something different ok, but they must pay the balance, the taxpayer money is capped out at the cost of whatever choice they picked….1 or 2.

    Done and done.

  • de jure for real dude

    the party responsible is determined by (a) the contract and (b) state law and the state law says the state contribution is capped so the contractor knows this and can’t escape it EVEN IF the contract were to say toherwise. Becuase like laws are laws, you know, man?

  • two thirds rule

    wouldn’t the leg override a veto of legislation to imlpement sticking seattle with overruns?

    Seattle isn’t a majority of the leg, not even a quarter of it…..

  • Random Engineer

    It was resolved, just not the way you wanted it to be. That’s why we have “electeds”, to move us along when there is no popular consensus.

  • Wells

    “By anyone’s definition, the last decade has been an open public process and debate,” the governor said.

    This is a lie.

    The planning has been conducted behind closed doors. The public is “allowed” to show up at meetings and submit comments, but many questions and serious objections are NEVER answered.

    The planning has also been dishonest. Wsdot rigged their studies leading to the 2007 vote to ‘induce’ voter rejection of a cut/cover tunnel, gambling voters would approve the elevated replacement, until then Wsdot’s only preference, nevermind popular support for a tunnel.

    The public knows next to nothing about the cut/cover aside from the construction disruption which Wsdot wrongfully exaggerated on every version including the current one in the DEIS.

    Wsdot also rigged their studies of surface boulevard options to induce opposition. Wsdot studied surface options with 27 stoplights when they knew as few as 13 is possible. Walaah! Gridlock!

    Wsdot knows the surface couplet and 6-lane boulevard options won’t manage thru-traffic. Wsdot knows the current 4-lane boulevard design won’t ably manage thru-traffic even with the bored tunnel!

    Furthermore, it is unwise to add traffic to the notorious Mercer Mess with the Mercer West project. The environmental impact of directing this traffic through residential and likewise pedestrian-oriented Queen Anne is insane. Phase One of Mercer looks decent, but adding traffic with the DBT & Mercer West will degrade any traffic improvement through Lake Union.

    Conclusion: The DBT, Mercer West and Alaskan Way design work is a criminal fraud perpetrated upon the people of Seattle and the State of Washingtion by its DOT leaders. An independent investigation of Wsdot is warranted. The powers that be have crossed the line.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Completely different economic and growth environment between inception and what the situation is now.

    Plans should be rethought based on what the reality is…not on a failed projection from ten years ago.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Let’s face it. The only reason Gregoire wants the tunnel is because she, and the Democrat Regime, are supported by a coterie of overleveraged guys who bought into the idea that downtown Seattle would be some kind of urban paradise instead of Coney Island for intravenous drug users. If this tunnel fails, the whole house of cards comes crashing down for Washington Insiders.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Let’s face it. The only reason Gregoire wants the tunnel is because she, and the Democrat Regime, are supported by a coterie of overleveraged guys who bought into the idea that downtown Seattle would be some kind of urban paradise instead of Coney Island for intravenous drug users. If this tunnel fails, the whole house of cards comes crashing down for Washington Insiders.

  • Godwin

    Asked whether she thought the people should be allowed to have a say on the tunnel (nearly 29,000 Seattle voters signed petitions to put the anti-tunnel measure on the ballot), Gregoire said she was “really sorry … that they were asked to [collect signatures]” (a harsh jab at what everyone knows is a McGinn campaign.)”

    Quite the impossible paragraph. Writing should be as clear as a pane of glass.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Which is why I support adequately sized highways that serve the whole region and do not want to be billed for “cost overruns” for a downtown Seattle tunnel that will serve almost no one and certainly not the suburbs and most of King County.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Which is why I support adequately sized highways that serve the whole region and do not want to be billed for “cost overruns” for a downtown Seattle tunnel that will serve almost no one and certainly not the suburbs and most of King County.

  • Big Jim Slade

    “Plans should be rethought based on what the reality is…not on a failed projection from ten years ago. ”

    And by the time they’re implemented the situation is different again.

    Fail.

  • in loco parentesis

    I dunno (if your point is all that valid) — a few side comments [or other observations] in a sentence isn’t necessarily bad writing (unless you’re up to two sets of parens and one set of brackets in a single sentence) (that’s different).

  • Anonymous

    Typical bug-eyed hyperbole, Wells.

    The cot/cover tunnel was simply too expensive. In addition to the costly disruption its construction would have caused, it was bigger (6 lanes), plus it featured a mid-town subterranean interchange. It also required total utility relocation along the entire swath of the tunnel. All these factors pushed the cost well above the budget.

    Had money not been an issue, we would most likely have been well into construction of that option at this time.

    But, the costs killed it. As for your claim that WSDOT “gambled the voters would approve the elevated replacement”.. Really? That’s just crazy.

    And as for your tired Mercer West rants, give it a rest. It’s not part of the tunnel discussion, and to characterize the plan as “insane” , or a “criminal fraud” simply calls your own sanity into question. Mercer West is a City project, and is being administered by SDOT. It has its own, separate environmental process that again is being contracted through the City.

    At least we both agree that the surface options are untenable from a traffic standpoint.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    See that button on the right that says “Reply” ?

  • Anonymous

    You live in Kent

  • Grover

    So, you are saying you think the contractor is going to sign a contract which says that any overruns will be the responsibility of Seattle residents who benefit from the tunnel? Or, you think the contractor is going to insist that the contract states exactly who is going to be responsible for any overruns, i.e. the state? I am not aware of any highway contracts where anyone other than the state was responsible for overruns. Are you?

  • Nemo

    Well you got the first part of your first sentence right. The second part is a broken record response and defense that went off the hit parade list over 3 years ago.

    This is kabuki play, and it’s time to bring down the curtain. The Gov won’t be around for a veto, when it’s needed, to say the least.

  • Nemo

    It would be a moot point if the EIS is negative and the Feds don’t signoff on it. That’s a standard contingency.

    In that event, the bum rush money spent on this boondoggle will have ironically been wasted by the proponents. No money would be wasted technically until the DIS sings.

  • Nemo

    The law sez nothing about only downtown residents being on the hook. That’s an outright lie, and typical of the ignorace based upon assumptions and not the facts, history, or taxing authority of the Port and the State.

  • blah blah

    Finally had a chance to watch this. Hot Damn, Governor! Thank you!

  • in loco parentesis

    Nope. There’s no lack of clarity and following rules for their own sake is a hobgoblin of small minds.

  • Anonymous

    McGinn’s “incompetence” is irrelevant. We’re talking about a project that will most likely decrease our climate change resilience (facilitate cars, poorly?!) and waste a huge amount of assets doing so. And that’s being shoved through before the environmental review is complete. Might not be incompetent but sure pisses me off.

  • im so bored

    Wow are you people still here? Your still talking about this?

  • Soapboxin’

    If McGinn and O’Brien can show me a plan to resuscitate the surface-transit option, I am 100% behind them. But they haven’t, don’t, can’t, and probably won’t. So we’re stuck w/crappy options.

  • Wells

    SeaTowner’s rebuttal of my work as,“bug-eyed hyperbole” and “crazy” is dishonest.

    Wsdot studies of cut/cover tunnels BEGAN with most expensive and ENDED with the least expensive version currently in the DEIS. All were devised to be overly-complex and subsequently cost-prohibitive. More important, their construction was intentionally arranged to increase disruption, the main drawback with a cut/cover and public opposition. From the beginning, Wsdot knew the current least-cost version could be built with least disruption while the AWV remained in place and operating.
    In other words, Wsdot RIGGED their studies.

    SeaTowner’s claim that Mercer West is NOT related to the DBT is likewise dishonest.

    Removing the Lower Belltown access to SR99 requires an alternate access route. Wsdot and sdot have determined the Mercer corridor as viable ONLY if its environmental impacts are concealed, ignored or dismissed on the basis of a falsehood that the DBT and Mercer West are unrelated.

    SeaTowner dishonestly fabricates another claim that I believe a surface boulevard option isn’t viable. This kind of dishonesty is what makes me angry with Seattle‘s half-wits and liars.

  • Soapboxin’

    I look at what you wrote above, and it’s just a blur of blah-blah-blah-blah-blah. After they’ve heard your shpiel once, people just tune you out.

  • Wells

    In other words, Soapboxin wants people to ignore crimes committed and suffering caused. Soapboxin is dishonest.

  • Random Engineer

    What a crock. Persecuted much?

  • Big Jim Slade

    Enough with the persecution complex, Mr. Mayor. Perhaps instead of wasting time on Publicola reading what a crap job you’re doing running this city you should get back to work.

  • Soapboxin’

    Hey man, I’m just tryin’ to talk to ya’ about your communication skills. I don’t think people are getting the message you want them to get.

    That, and the fact that anyone who comes here has already heard you. I’m sorry you’re not getting the kind of validation you seek.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to get back to ignoring crimes and suffering and being dishonest. It’s a dirty job, but someone’s gotta do it.

  • Soapboxin’

    Hey man, I’m just tryin’ to talk to ya’ about your communication skills. I don’t think people are getting the message you want them to get.

    That, and the fact that anyone who comes here has already heard you. I’m sorry you’re not getting the kind of validation you seek.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to get back to ignoring crimes and suffering and being dishonest. It’s a dirty job, but someone’s gotta do it.

  • Soapboxin’

    Hey man, I’m just tryin’ to talk to ya’ about your communication skills. I don’t think people are getting the message you want them to get.

    That, and the fact that anyone who comes here has already heard you. I’m sorry you’re not getting the kind of validation you seek.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to get back to ignoring crimes and suffering and being dishonest. It’s a dirty job, but someone’s gotta do it.