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Some Specific Answers

1. The state’s chief economist, Arun Raha, will announce his latest revenue forecast today—or more accurately, his lack of revenue forecast.

Fizz hears that Raha will subtract another $500 million to $1 billion from anticipated revenues—the state is currently facing a $4.6 billion shortfall for its 2011-2013 budget—pushing the already historic budget shortfall to at least $5.1 billion, if not $5.6 billion. That could amount to a nearly  20 percent bite out of the budget.

2. In yesterday’s Fizz, we gave “Analogy of the Day” honors to Seattle city council member Sally Clark for her testimony in Olympia in support of a transit bill. Addressing skeptical legislators, she persuasively compared the collective responsibility for funding education (nods all around) to the collective responsibility to pay for transit.

This morning, we’re giving out “Repartee of the Day” honors. The award goes to lefty lobbyist Nick Federici, who testified yesterday against a bill that would allow the state to override I-901, 2005′s voter-approved smoking ban, by licensing up to 600 cigar bars and tobacco shops.

Federici began his testimony by saying he “respected the will of the people”—referring to 901′s 63-36 victory.

Committee member, Republican Sen. Mark Schoesler (R-9, Ritzville), a cosponsor of the cigar bill, was quick to pounce: “Nick, do you share the ‘will of the people’ on all the initiatives, or just the ones you like? You come here and tell us ‘will of the people,’ but I bet you didn’t say that about 960 or 1053 [Tim Eyman's two-thirds rules for raising taxes, which Schoesler supported].”

Federici, definitely part of the liberal revenue coalition that pushed to overturn 960 last year so the legislature could raise taxes to fund social programs, didn’t skip a beat: “I think, like you Sen. Schoesler…”—at which point the whole room erupted into laughter, catching exactly where Federici was going—”I have a divided opinion on that.”

Federici’s point was a zinger: It takes a hypocrite to know one.

Federici then slyly acknowledged that he voted for 901 and “against many other initiatives,” telling Schoesler, who supported 960 and 1053: “You and I probably don’t see eye to eye on a lot of those.”

Schoesler could only manage: “You got that right.”

3. Besides the gotchas, the main point that opponents of the cigar bill—like Gary Johnson from Public Health Seattle King County—made was this: The $3.6 million anticipated in annual licensing fees for the state (licenses will be $15,000) will be dwarfed by the health care costs of  tobacco related illnesses, already $1.95 billion a year.

That point dovetailed perfectly with the next bill on the docket—legislation that freshman Sen. Nick Harper (D-38, Everett) introduced last week to make fiscal notes not only define the immediate saving or expenditure on a bill, but also look at the associated long-term economics: How much will an investment now save in the future, or how much will a cut now cost in the future?

Remy Trupin, Executive Director of the Washington State Budget & Policy Center, a liberal think tank, came with some specific answers to that question. Leading with the apparent non sequitur that “cuts to programs don’t always achieve savings,” he went on to explain that the state’s Basic Health Plan, subsidized care for the poor, costs $202 per month for one person, while the average cost of a hospital visit is $9,700—or four years worth of BHP costs for an individual. That kind of “uncompensated care,” more common when people aren’t getting basic care, gets passed along to the state, driving up premiums, Trupin said.

Trupin’s point put the legislature’s recent decision to drop 15,000 people from the BHP—supposedly saving $15 million—in a larger financial context.

WashPIRG lobbyist Steve Breaux, testifying alongside Trupin, summed up the point (and probably deserves today’s “Analogy of the Day” honors) saying: “We often ask the government to balance its checkbook the same way families balance their checkbooks”—which sounds like the traditional conservative script about cutting back spending during a recession.

But then he flipped it, “but most families recognize that putting off a trip to the dentist’s office or delaying repair to a leaky roof have long-term consequences that need to be accounted for rather than a short-term saving.”

4. And finally, in this apparent Best Of from yesterday’s parade of legislative hearings in Olympia—while we already filed a report yesterday afternoon about the testimony from Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes and Seattle city council member Tim Burgess on Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson’s (D-36, Ballard) bill to raise $440 million per biennium by legalizing and regulating pot, we left out a note—or more specifically, a question we had—about Rep. Dickerson.

“Let me get a little bit of water here,” Dickerson said right in the middle of her sprawling testimony about hemp in Jamestown up through what she seemed to think was a suspect  voice vote of the U.S. Congress in 1937 to outlaw cannabis, “because my mouth is dry.”

She didn’t mention anything about having the munchies before committee chair Rep. Ross Hunter (D-48, Medina) urged her to wrap up, noting that her speech was running long.


  • Blue Light

    Re #3: So, do tribes pay into a state health care account to cover the future medical expenses of all the citizens they’re sickening via their monopolistic exemption to the state’s smoking ban?

  • Grover

    “she persuasively compared the collective responsibility for funding education (nods all around) to the collective responsibility to pay for transit.”

    Absurd analogy. Transportation is like housing, food and clothing. Is there a “collective responsibility” for paying for everyone’s housing, food and clothing? Should everyone be in subsidized housing, on food stamps, and getting subsidized clothing? Why should the government pay for transportation? Education is primarily for children, to give them equal opportunity. Transit is primarily for adults, who should pay their own way.

  • Ty

    Exactly! It’s time to stop subsidizing ours roads with general funds and new start grants and make gas taxes actually pay for them. Get ready for $9 a gallon of gas Grover!

  • N. Sanitiy

    yes, it’s societies that have a free market in roads that are the most successful! Examples include somalia, mali and the upper amazon basin. Perhpas the nirvana of free market in roads was reached in 1200 in Europe — local lords who owned roads were free to exact tolls on everyone passing through. Sadly, this free market has ended, Europe turned to socialist train and highway building, also socialist airports, and that’s why the standard of living in Europe has declined so dramatically since the year 1200.

  • sarah

    You’re misinterpreting the analogy. The point is that no one individual can mount a transit program (buses, rail, etc.) that can take them everywhere they need to do in all weather conditions, and no one individual can build and staff a school that can adequately educate a child or children in this technological age.

  • Freakonomics

    Oh, and don’t forget we’ll have to stop the federal policies of “stabilizing” parts of the Middle East where we get oil. That’s billions a year, before you even get to the actual purchase of said oil. Drill, baby, drill!

  • Grover

    The state of WA transportation budget is to spend $5.15 billion on roads in 2 years 2009 – 2011. Revenues from “user fees” over that 2-year period are $5.266 billion: $2.485 billion from state gas tax; $0.866 billion from licenses and fees; $1.915 billion from federal gas tax, tire tax, federal fees on motor vehicles. So, people who own and drive motor vehicles in WA state are paying more in taxes and fees than the state is spending on roads. The roads in WA state are NOT being subsidized with general taxes.

    And WA state also takes in about $2 billion per year in sales taxes on new and used vehicles which goes to the state general fund.

  • Ty

    Cite sources?

    Also, WADOT is only taking care of state-owned roads. The freeways, county and city roads across the state are not receiving those dollars.

  • Grover

    The vast majority of individuals get everywhere they need to go without using transit at all. Only a very small percentage of trips in this area are by transit, and cars can go anywhere buses and trains can go.

  • Ty

    King County Metro serves over 200,000 people a day – over 400,000 boardings. A significant number of our daily commute.

  • Jakers

    #2 – We are all hypocrites, some just more than others.

    #3 – Would this bill require the costs/savings for only the state to be published or would it take all the costs/savings to society in general into account? Either way it seems to be ripe for iffy accounting.

  • Ty

    For prospective, that’s almost 12% of all trips in King County, 14% in Bellevue and close to 20% in Seattle.

    http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/10/08/transit-commuting-up-in-seattle-bellevue/

  • Grover

    If you take transit, your fares are paying only a small percentage of the operating costs of your trip and zero of the capital costs. If you drive a car, you are paying 100% of the operating costs of your trip, plus a multitude of taxes (state and federal gas tax, sales tax on the car, tires, etc., license, registration, MVET, et al) which pay for the roads you use.

  • Papi

    what area? Maple Valley?

  • Papi

    what area? Maple Valley?

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.j.maddux Michaelp

    Fares are 17% of total revenue for operating costs. That is not exactly a “small percentage”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.j.maddux Michaelp

    Fares are 17% of total revenue for operating costs. That is not exactly a “small percentage”.

  • Grover

    I don’t know if your figures are correct, and I’m not going to bother to check them, but your figures show that 88% of all trips in King County are NOT on transit. Ergo, the vast majority of people get where they need to go without using transit.

  • Grover

    I don’t know if your figures are correct, and I’m not going to bother to check them, but your figures show that 88% of all trips in King County are NOT on transit. Ergo, the vast majority of people get where they need to go without using transit.

  • Stupid White Man

    Nope!

  • Grover

    source: WA state transportation budget, obviously.

    WSDOT absolutely takes care of freeways. That is why the federal government gives the federal gas tax (and other federal fees on motor vehicles) back to states — to spend on freeways.

    And counties and states get a share of WA state gas taxes, plus some of the sales tax on vehicles and parts. The MVET is a county tax.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.j.maddux Michaelp

    @Grover –

    Yeah, because 200,000 more people in cars per day would be awesome. :-

  • Grover

    disqus is only allowing me to make short replies, so I may need to post multiple short replies, instead of long ones.

    The city of Seattle, for example, took in about $70 million last year just from parking fees, fines and taxes. Seattle spent only about $50 million last year on city road construction and repairs. Seattle also gets some of the WA state gas tax revenue.

  • Grover

    And 1.8 million more people per day in buses would be awesome! What would the Metro and ST sales tax rates have to be in order to put all trips in their areas on transit? What would they need, about an 8% sales tax for each of them instead of 0.9% each? If so, that would make a total sales tax in Seattle of around 25% — 16% just to Metro and ST combined.

  • Ty

    First off, according to WADOT’s budget for 09-11, the revenue they received from gas taxes and car-related fees is $3.351 Billion.

    On roads and WADOT staff (not counting the ferry or rail) they spent $4.887.62 Billion. I’ll give you a few dozen million of the staff money for rail and ferry support, so WADOT spends on roads about $1.5 Billion more than they receive in local car related taxes.

    http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Finance/budget/2009-11ExpendituresTable.htm
    http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Finance/budget/BudgetPieCharts.htm

    In Seattle in 2009, gas taxes are 4% of revenue ($13.4 million) while General Fund represented $42.3 million and Bridging the Gap was $60.9 million. Street maintenance alone cost $28.5 million. http://www.cityofseattle.net/transportation/docs/2009AnnualReport.pdf

  • Grover

    Let’s see. Fares = 26%. Tax subsidies = 74%.

    Which is a “small percentage”, 26% or 74%?

  • Ty

    It’s true that transportation money is shared and spread from federal to state to local levels, but it is absurd to say that drivers pay for their roads and are not subsidized when you look at the data.

  • Jakers

    That’s not totally true. If a person from one city or an (unincorporated area) drives to another city, they are not paying the cost of their trip. Second, a poor person that drives an old car frequently within his city’s own limits surely doesn’t generate enough tax revenue to cover the subsidies provided him.

    That said, we should continue to subsidize cars while slowly reducing the subsidies. Because even as we switch to more transit, roads will still be needed and will still benefit us all. [Subsidize cars to benefit us all?? The conservative socialist in me really came out on that one!]

  • Math

    Smaller…

  • Grover

    What do you think the “federal funds” $1.915 million are genius? That is the FEDERAL gas tax, federal tire taxes and other fees on motor vehicles that WA state drivers pay, and the federal government gives back to WA state. You don’t count the federal gas tax as a tax that drivers pay???

    Adding the $1.915 in federal taxes that WA drivers pay, totals $5.166 billion in revenues to WA state from drivers.

    Th

  • Grover

    I added wrong. That actually adds up to $5.266 billion in revenues from drivers.

    But, it is even better than that. There is $336 million “Balance from Previous Biennium” which is user fees left over from the last 2-year budget. Now we are up to $5.602 billion in user fees.

  • Grover

    I added wrong. That actually adds up to $5.266 billion in revenues from drivers.

    But, it is even better than that. There is $336 million “Balance from Previous Biennium” which is user fees left over from the last 2-year budget. Now we are up to $5.602 billion in user fees.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    I listened to some of the testimony, the intent is to include things that are impacted as a result, kicking x people of basic health means they do not get preventive care, and it isn’t too tough to get emergency room data on neglected chronic disease treatment. You are not going to get perfect numbers, but the fiscal note should at least show that kicking people off basic health is NOT [ed] all saved money. This would also apply to tax breaks, somebody got a tax break, was it all recoverable or was some of the tax actually shifted, where, and how much.

  • Grover

    Then there are the “Bond sales”. What do you think SDOT uses to pay off the bonds? Gas tax, licenses, permits and fees, balance from previous biennium. In other words the revenue from bond sales is from user fees. The SR 520 bridge bonds are going to be paid off with both gas tax and tolls on the bridge — user fees.

    So the total bond revenue is another $2.464 billion to be paid off with user fees. Our total revenues from user fees now is $8.066 billion. You said they spent $4.888 billion on roads. Where is the “subsidy”?

  • Grover

    “In Seattle in 2009, gas taxes are 4% of revenue ($13.4 million) while General Fund represented $42.3 million”

    And the General Fund received about $70 million from parking fees, fines and taxes — $30 million more than was taken out of the general fund for transportation.

  • Grover

    “If a person from one city or an (unincorporated area) drives to another city, they are not paying the cost of their trip.”

    Really? You mean someone else is paying for their gas, their tires, their car payments, etc? Who would that someone else be?

  • Jay

    “Why should the government pay for transportation?”

    Mitigation for creating a society in which the private auto is the de facto transportation mode. Pretty damn simple.

  • WhySoRacisit

    But if this bill passes and they have to change anything into the future, those cost should then be included in the statement.

  • Jakers

    The roads/infrastructure (you know, the subject that we are talking about).

  • Jakers

    The roads/infrastructure (you know, the subject that we are talking about).

  • Jakers

    I’m good (even though it will be gamed by both sides) for including the cost/savings to the state, but if we go to society (Washington State or the region or the world) as a whole, I think that it gets too crazy.

  • Grover

    In this segment, we are talking about “operating costs”. That does not include roads, for either cars or buses, now does it?

  • Grover

    In this segment, we are talking about “operating costs”. That does not include roads, for either cars or buses, now does it?

  • Nope

    This is where transit advocates always fail … Europe and the United States are in no way similar in terms of distance, so suggesting that Europe style transit would work here is farcical.

  • geographically literate

    riiight….ever been to washingtonrichmondarlingtonbaltimorebowietowsoncamdenphiladelphiawilmingtontrentonnewarknewyorkcitylongislandstamfordnewhavenprovidencebostonwoosterportland?

  • Grover

    Very creative.

    And stupid.