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Dissident Teachers’ Union Member Testifies in Favor of Doomed Teacher Evaluation Bill

The Excellent Schools Now coalition and the Washington Education Association (the state’s teachers’ union) squared off at yesterday’s public hearing on Rep. Eric Pettigrew’s (D-37, S. Seattle) legislation to allow school districts to make layoff decisions based on principal evaluations rather than seniority. (Budget cuts mean hundreds of teachers are likely to be laid off next year.) The house education committee hearing was packed full of sticker-clad teachers (“Teacher Opposing HB 1609″) and sticker-clad  bill supporters (“Great Schools”).

Those on the WEA side, testifying against the legislation—including teachers, administrators, principals, and lobbyists—argued that the state isn’t equipped to make layoff decisions using the four-tiered teacher evaluation system. The bill was called a “distraction” to current pilot projects that are underway to amp up the evaluation system.

Gary Kipp, President of the Association of Washington State Principals (AWSP), told the committee “our evaluation system isn’t sophisticated enough” and asked that they wait until the pilot projects are completed before adding an evaluation system. “Give us more time” was the recurring theme from opponents.

Footnote: The pilot projects in eight school districts expand teacher evaluations, tying them to student performance. Ironically, while reformers pushed to make that change system wide (as opposed to isolated pilots) last year, the teachers union opposed a system wide change to student achievement-related evaluations. PubliCola has repeatedly asked the union this year if they’ve changed their position and support it now. While they’ve never given us a straight answer, we did ask Becky Feuntes, a teacher and union member who attended yesterday’s hearing to oppose this year’s bill, whether she thinks the pilot projects should eventually be expanded and used for layoff decisions. She said only that having “experience in schools” (older teachers) was crucial to maintain a balance of old and new.

Reform advocates say the union is throwing up excuses. In fact, one person at yesterday’s hearing challenging the union was a disgruntled unionized teacher—Chris Eide, a Beacon Hill teacher and representative of a new group called Teachers United. He told legislators that the WEA opposition arguments were “just excuses to protect under-performing teachers” adding that he was “embarrassed” that his own union would deploy such tactics.

Eide told PubliCola that his dissident group was a Seattle-based organization of unionized teachers whose views don’t jibe with the WEA. “As a teacher, to have all these excuses made is embarrassing,” he said. Eide—five years in to his teaching career and unlikely to be laid off anyway—explained that the current system isn’t working when “only one to two percent of teachers are ranked unsatisfactory.”

Eide’s group is a member of the Excellent Schools Now coalition which includes the main backers of Pettigrew’s bill—the League of Education Voters, the Washington Alliance of Black School Educators, Washington State PTA, and Stand for Children, the zealous reform group that’s also promoting the anti-teachers’ union film, Waiting for Superman.

Like every policy issue this year, there is an overarching concern: Opponents of Pettigrew’s bill are quick to point out a major problem—a lack of funding. WEA member Fuentes told us out in the hallway after the hearing that teachers “cannot be effective with thirty-plus students in your class.”

Even though they believed they had the votes for a compromise version—one that wouldn’t use the entire four-tier evaluation system over seniority, but rather prioritize only one category (teachers with “unsatisfactory” ratings) before going with seniority—proponents of the legislation are not optimistic. They say committee chair, Rep. Sharon Tomiko Santos (D-37, S. Seattle), will not allow a vote on the legislation because Democratic leadership simply isn’t interested in the bill.

Cutoff for house policy bills to get out of committee is tomorrow and state Rep. Tim Probst’s (D-15, Vancouver) compromise amendments stalled earlier in the week according to supporters of the bill. “It’s dead,” League of Education lobbyist George Scarola tells PubliCola this afternoon. As we noted this morning’s Fizz—signals from senate Democratic leadership indicate the bill is DOA.

Packed education committee hearing in Olympia yesterday

While the Excellent Schools Now group and and educators fight over Pettigrew’s legislation took center stage, the committee also heard testimony on another bill also meant to shake up the status quo in public schools. Legislation sponsored by Rep. Reuven Carlyle’s (D-36, Queen Anne, Ballard), also a cosponsor on Pettigrew’s bill—would establish a provisional principal certification program to create an alternate path for prospective principals. The idea is to remove barriers to becoming a principal to attract a wider swath of candidates with managerial and disciplinary skills. Get those ex-Microsoft managers in there.

Carlyle’s legislation seems more likely to get a shot at a committee vote—though the WEA is opposed to this bill as well. They say it would have a negative impact on teacher effectiveness, and thus on student achievement.

Lucinda Young, a WEA lobbyist, told legislators that “principals cannot be successful if they do not have experiences in teaching practice, if they have not demonstrated their own instructional competencies, and if they don’t have the ability to recognize specific pedagogical practices.”

Association of Washington School Principals lobbyist Jerry Bender told the committee that Carlyle’s bill requires “no education requirements [for a principal] to lead an education enterprise, not even a high school diploma.”

“I recognize there is a deep reservation about people from the outside entering a subculture,” Carlyle said. But added: “At a time when we are having higher and higher standards for students in terms of tests in terms of expectations … I believe we have a public responsibility to demand that same level of accountability for the leadership of our buildings.” Carlyle said his bill would give schools “a much deeper and much richer” pool of leaders.


  • Matt the Engineer

    It is a little strange that only teachers can become principals, since their roles are so different. I would think you’d want someone good at management and, honestly, business in the leadership role. Sure, a good understanding of teaching styles could be helpful, but just because you’re a skilled carpenter doesn’t mean you’d be good at running a furniture factory.

  • Barleywine

    “only one to two percent of teachers are ranked unsatisfactory.”

    Evaluations, especially done by one person, can be kind of useless.
    Also, at every place I’ve worked there is evaluation inflation; like the military, with a nine point scale. If you got an overall eight you were on your way out. Average was 1 or 2 eights and the rest (10-15) nines, and if you were above average you got all nines with the difference being how high up the chain the concurrences went. (The text description of an eight was something like “walks on water”)

    I’m guessing “unsatisfactory” here means absolute, possibly criminal, losers.

  • ratcityreprobate

    So are you suggesting that experience running a furniture factory is what is needed to run a school? If so you are going to turn out a bunch of little stools. (Sorry for the terrible pun.)

  • Matt the Engineer

    (heh)

    I think a good principal probably has more in common with someone who runs a furniture factory than with a teacher. The former has to look at a complex set of resources and needs and make sure they fit together. The latter requires great understanding of how to shape a child’s mind.

    I’m not saying a good teacher can’t make a good principal. I just would like to allow for the possibility that they aren’t the only ones that would make a good principal.

  • Sophia Katt

    Dear Publicola Intern, we love that you are a hardworking intern and hope you will remember that when reporting on school politics–the prinicipal is your pal. Not the principle. Spell check won’t save your ass on everything.

  • Anonymous

    I understand what your saying, however I find it equally perplexing that in order to be considered an”education reformer” it seems necessary that youve NEVER stood in front of a class full of kids and actually tried to teach them something.

  • Barleywine

    I think Matt speaks some truth, and so do you.

    The best situation is for a principal (a manager) to be a great teacher first. But management is very different than teaching, and on balance I’d rather see a principal be a good manager who couldn’t teach than a good teacher who can’t manage.
    Same principle as “Those who can’t do, teach.”

    In the military system you get shoved into a management position whether you like it or not, but then you get the best management training around. In civilian life, it seems like if you can’t pass as a good worker, you seek out or get shoved into management because you can’t hack it as a worker.

    And at least at my last workplace new mangers are only taught how to fight the union and fire poor workers; and nothing about how to get the best out of their monetary and human resources to move toward organizational goals.

  • seabos84

    I KNOW! you were a success in school, therefore you KNOW how to run a school!
    having spent 25 years in the back biting back stabbing ass kissing private sector, where about 5% or so are truely rewarded on merit,

    and watching Carlyle and Hunter spin their lies, cuz they worked in high tech, which has a high % of that 5%,

    I can promise you that the education world is just plain different.

    (pst! hey! lie about me justifying incompetence and poor performance – IF you do it well enough, you can get a job as a flack for the LEV or Alliance of Ed Liars! Bill Gates pays the best ass kissers the best!)

  • Anonymous

    So you advocate someone who has zero experience in a classroom as a professional suddenly recognizes appropriate instruction, student behavior management and modification, proper assessment, student modes and modalities and more? This person will evaluate me?

    Ridiculous.

  • Anonymous

    So, the problem identified is that schools need better principals? And the solution is to put people in charge of education with no education experience?

    Brilliant. No wonder educators think the legislature has gone insane.

  • Barleywine

    I’m guessing you’re a teacher, and you got an “unsatisfactory” rating?

    Bye, bye.

    Oh, you’ll be saved by the union. And spend the rest of your life teaching our children. Lovely. I see an apple in your future.

  • Anonymous

    Nah. We live in a world where professionals are highly specialized. I’d hire someone with a strong management and education background. But I’m guessing right now someone with a doctorate in child psychology and a BA in administration isn’t currently allowed to be a principal. Am I wrong?

  • Anonymous

    This is not a solution to our school problems. Just a minor fix at the edges. And I don’t see anything wrong with trying something new.

    I love unions – when they’re well run. But it sure feels like the teacher’s union is working against the public interest on all fronts. We need serious change in our teaching system as well as a large increase in funding.

    If you’re not willing to even allow for innovation at the edges (and Carlyle’s bill doesn’t mandate change – only allows for it), then how will we ever make the big changes that are needed?

    Let’s hear from you. You’re honorary legislator of the day. What bill do you introduce to fix our education system? Or do you think it’s perfect, despite numbers like Rainer Beach HS’s 1.6% pass rate for science.

  • Barleywine

    Wikipedia:
    “Rainier Beach High School is a public secondary school (grades 9-12) in the Seattle Public Schools. The school historically has had a strong emphasis on team sports, and many championship teams. The building has a capacity of 1,200 students, but enrollment has declined greatly in recent years. In 2006, 1,302 of the 1,600 high school students living in the Rainier Beach neighborhood traveled out of the area each morning to attend other high schools.[5] In 2008-09, Rainier Beach began the year with 453 students and ended with about 295, giving an average monthly enrollment of 374. Sixty students chose it as their first choice.[6] Recently the school district has considered adding an International Baccalaureate program.

    “In 2002, Rainier Beach’s men’s basketball team was ranked number 1 in the entire country for a brief time…”

  • Anonymous

    Interesting. I wonder how things will work out now that we removed busing and it’s harder to not go to the school near you.

  • Anonymous

    There is no absolute solution because poverty is the number one factor in student achievement, and no one has a solution to that issue.

    However, multiple districts around the state are creating a brand new evaluation system (supported by the union you’re quick to blame) which has the potential to change the education system for the next generation of students.

    If I had the power to do what I wanted, though, I would put more emphasis on principal evaluation and hold them to a (higher) standard than they currently are. They control the hiring, firing, and retention of teachers, and if anyone believes teachers exist who should not be teaching, those principals who are rarely ever held accountable should be made to face the public.

  • Anonymous

    :)

    The first to throw a personal insult has lost the debate. Do you have anything of substance to contribute?

  • Anonymous

    Charter schools have been trying to use private managers without education experience and they are crashing and burning.

    Next idea?

  • SKA

    Anyone know anything about the group Eide represents, “Teachers United?” There seems to be no information available on line

  • FormCritic

    Oh my god! How about a shop of engineers run by a toilet attendant? How about a group of blacksmiths supervised by a day care nanny? How about an army platoon managed by a dog sitter? How about Donald Trump in charge of your child’s kindergarten class? Only in education do people make such stupid proposals. Only education has to listen to the least informed person present talk about how a fast foot manager could run a school. Only education, among all professions, has to listen to the stupidest person present and act like his ideas came down from Mount Sinai.

  • FormCritic

    Yes, Barleywine…that’s it! We must all have terrible evaluations! Of course! That explains it all.

    Or, could it be that we know a lot more about the topic than you?

    Sounds like you ought to apply to be an administrator…since you know it all. Wow.

  • FormCritic

    He represents himself. He’s getting media time because he’s a dissident, and that is interesting news. His views are purely his own…and they’re foolish views.

    Foolishness always makes better news than wisdom.

    Where have you been living? Under a rock? :)