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Council Members to Mayor: Slow Down on Nickelsville

Conversations with all nine members of the city council, as well as members of the neighborhoods around the site, reveal many unanswered questions about Mayor Mike McGinn’s proposal last week to move Nickelsville, the roving homeless encampment, to an industrial site in SoDo that formerly housed the Sunny Jim’s peanut butter factory, which burned down last year. As we reported last week, Deputy Mayor Darryl Smith offered few details about the plan when he rolled it out last week.

Council members’ concerns break down into several areas:

• A permanent or semi-permanent encampment contradicts the goals of the city’s ten-year plan to end homelessness, which calls for the city to focus on getting people into permanent housing, not tents or camps.

“I don’t think we should accept the idea that people are doomed to be homeless and live in tents,” council president Richard Conlin said. “I don’t see why, in a society with as many resources as ours has, that that should be allowed.”

Mike O’Brien, a frequent ally of McGinn’s, agreed that tent cities aren’t a long-term solution, but said that “to focus exclusively on permanent housing when we know there are hundreds and probably thousands of people out on the street” is unrealistic.

• Concerns about the site’s proximity to the Jungle.

Conlin said the fact that the proposed encampment would be just across a ridge from the Jungle is “one of my biggest concerns. … There’s a lot of predators in that area who prey on homeless people, so this is not necessarily a great place.” City council member Sally Bagshaw, who generally supports the mayor’s proposal, agreed that the Jungle is dangerous but said she expected new fences and bike lanes to make it safer.

Oddly, at last week’s briefing, Smith seemed unaware of safety concerns around the Jungle, saying only that he hoped the residents of the new encampment—which he dubbed “Sunny’s Place”—”would feel just as safe [living there] as you or me.”

• The site is has been an industrial site for decades, and most of the neighborhood around it is contaminated with various industrial waste products from earlier uses. At last week’s briefing, Smith said he did not know if the mayor’s office planned to study the site for contamination.

“We know that area has a lot of environmental hazards, and I think those need to be very carefully assessed before we put people down there,” council member Tom Rasmussen said. “I don’t know if there’s radon or turpentine or lead in the ground.” Finding out would require an environmental review under the State Environmental Policy Act, which typically takes at least four months. Cleaning up any contamination would, of course, add more months to the process. Or years: Down the street in Georgetown, SuttonBeresCuller’s Mini Mart City Park, a park on the site of an old convenience store, has been locked in environmental cleanup and testing since it was first permitted in 2005.

Additionally, the encampment would be directly adjacent to I-5 (as well as two rail lines); study after study has shown that living next to a freeway (that’s in a house, up the street, not outside and directly adjacent) is bad (as in, cancer-causing, asthma-inducing, and generally-shortened-life-span-producing) for pregnant women, children, and pretty much anything with lungs.

O’Brien, a longtime Sierra Club activist, said the proximity to the freeway “is a concern. It’s the first thing that jumped to mind for me. Is it fair that people that are homeless have to breathe dirtier air than people who can afford a house? I think there is a social justice question about whether we site this housing there. At the same time, I’m not sure what the alternative is.”

• Residents of the nearby neighborhoods, Beacon Hill and Georgetown, say the mayor’s office has not contacted them or provided any details about his plan. Last week, Smith said he had not reached out to the adjacent neighborhoods because the property is in SoDo, not Georgetown or Beacon Hill. “This site is not, as has been incorrectly reported, in Georgetown,” Smith said. ”I am reaching out to the SoDo community.” However, given that the site is just a mile from Georgetown and right across the freeway from Beacon Hill, residents are concerned that they’re not being kept in the loop.

“I’m getting the impression that he didn’t follow his committee’s own recommendations to do community outreach” before unveiling a proposal, Licata said. The committee that recommended seven potential encampment sites to the mayor also recommended that the mayor “ensure that neighbors are provided appropriate notice of and have an opportunity to comment.” Licata continued: “I get the impression that the mayor keeps stumbling over his own feet by not paying proper enough attention to the details.”

Rasmussen added, “I don’t think that’s going to win over many people, finding out on such short notice. If they don’t have outreach to the communities, it will just increase suspicion and concerns. … That doesn’t mean they don’t want them there. I’m not hearing that at all. They’re just saying that this is an area that does have problems and we need to make sure it doesn’t get worse.”

• The mayor’s office has so far provided the council (and the public) very little information about his proposal.

To a person, council members said they had not seen a specific plan from the mayor’s office to relocate Nickelsville, and several seemed taken aback by both last week’s announcement and by this morning’s announcement that Nickelsville would be moving temporarily to Lake City (a move that was also announced to Lake City residents just this morning.)

“I had heard that they were going to bring down a money proposal [to the council floor], but then the next week, I heard that they didn’t have a money figure yet,” said council member Sally Clark. “I would have expected them to have a money figure before coming out with a proposal.”

• Finally, council members say moving ahead as quickly as McGinn would like—the mayor has proposed moving Nickelsville to a permanent site in four to six months—may be impossible.

In addition to the inevitable environmental review, the city will have to change its land use code to allow long-term encampments in industrial areas and change its building code to allow semi-permanent private structures that don’t meet the standard for housing. Those aren’t necessarily endless processes, but they aren’t quick either; council land-use committee chair Clark estimates that zoning changes take about six months. In theory, the city could get around those requirements by making the new encampment a “temporary” use; but that would mean Nickelsville would have to get out after six months, and Smith and Nickelsville residents have made clear they intend to keep the camp at its new location at least a year.




  • Trevor

    Groan. This is what happens when you don’t have conversations ahead of time to help line up votes and get people on board: lots of ignorant but well meaning questions.

    OK so it’s near a freeway. Wallingford is wedged between 2 major freeways and I don’t recall it being a major cancer cluster.

    The most offensive objection is that the 10 year plan says we should focus on housing and not shelter. Anyone who has studied the 10 year plan to end homelessness knows that it will not end homelessness. To say that it would be better if homeless people had apartments is like the 21st century version of “let them eat cake.”

    Could the Council please take a fact-finding junket down to Portland to check out Dignity Village? And then please return and get with the program of letting people who want to help themselves create a permanent encampment? It will save the City a lot of money in the long term by preventing DPD from having to oversee the eviction of homeless people from their camps every few months, and letting the City help instead of harass people.

  • Tim

    You’ve all be punk’d. The “operators” of Nickelsville are SHARE/WHEEL, the same people that operate Tent City 3 & 4.

    Scott Morrow is their founder.
    Leo Rhodes is their “treasurer”.
    Anitra Freeman is their president.
    This is not some random group of people off the streets.

    Anitra Freeman and Scott Morrow are attempting to hide behind the Veteran’s for Peace organization as a way to get around the 2002 consent decree they have with the City of Seattle, but the facts are accurate and can be proven with the IRS Tax records of SHARE/WHEEL.

    Scott Morrow and Michelle Marchand began and founded SHARE/WHEEL. Anitra Freeman has been involved since the beginning and was listed as their “president.” Leo Rhodes has spent since May 2004 living in SHARE/WHEEL’s Tent City 4 up until he moved from the Tent City 4 on Mercer Island to go to Nickelsville as a way to “beef up their numbers.” Prior to that he lived in Tent City 3.

    Scott Morrow moves these people over from Tent City 3 & 4 to beef up his numbers at Nickelsville, because he wants a “shanty town” where he can call the shots and permanently squat. He wants to intimidae and make threats to city and county officials by taking public land for his illegal encampment. He did the exact same thing with Tent City 3 and Tent City 4. Both camps came about the same way.

    The success of any organization serving the homeless is measured by the poeple that transition out of that program into housing, jobs, etc. By that measure (and because they refuse to keep data) SHARE/WHEEL and Scott Morrow are total failures.

    This isn’t about helping the homeless, because if it was Scott Morrow would be appalled that Leo Rhodes was still homeless and living in a tent after 20 yrs.

    And what about all the Tent City folks ordered to camp out all council members homes last year or they’d be kicked out of the tent cities/ Why no investigation?

  • Trevor

    Really? What qualifications do you have to measure the success of an organization that serves the homeless? Also please stop cutting and pasting your posts.

  • Fred

    “What qualifications do you have to measure the success of an organization that serves the homeless? ”

    I imagine getting people into permanent housing would be a straight forward metric to how an organization is ending homelessness, and by that standard, SHARE/Nickelsville has scored a big, fat zero.

  • Patrick

    Yeah, I’d love to see what the reaction would be if the city agrees to a permanent spot on the condition of a different nonprofit running it. I suspect it would be more downbeat then you’d otherwise expect.

  • Guest

    Dignity Village is a permanent shantytown located miles outside of Portland, and has done very little to move people into permanent situations. They are completely reliant on the city and on churches to support their shantytown, have given up on the concept of transitional housing and made it a permanent solution, and have made zero progress towards self-sustainability in the decade that it has been around. It also turns away the hard core homeless, who are still left to fend for themselves on the street. It serves mainly the homeless who choose to be homeless.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Sally Clark mentioned Portland on Seattlechannel Inside Out a couple days ago.
    I hope this all works out.

    We have brown sites that have unknown environmental hazards…
    How about a story on that?
    I know there is an effort King County and I think Richard Conlin to rework old properties further south.

    How is it that we have property with unknown contamination?

    This move should have been much easier to execute.

  • Barleywine

    As the man said: O.M.F.G!

    Let’s for once forget the name Nickelsville.
    Let’s for once forget SHARE/WHEEL, and anyone connected to it.
    And Dignity Village, whatever that is, also dosen’t come into play.

    I guess the Jungle does, although I don’t know why. It’s not in SODO.
    I guess Daryl Smith does, although I don’t know why.
    I guess soil contamination does, although I don’t know why.

    Why? Only if people that have a place to live love fucking with people that don’t. It’s FREE, unless we spew that 10 year BS, that “ending” BS.
    The homeless will ALWAYS be with us.

    It’s only a few blocks, peeps. It ain’t going to kill ya.
    And it doesn’t cost the city anything, unless they continue to pay the bus fare extortion.

    Why oh Why isn’t PubliCola behind this?

  • sarah

    The Ten-Year Plan to End Homelessness does not provide money to do so.

    Shelters provide shelter. They don’t build housing. Housing providers build housing, and that takes money — a lot of money.

    Seattle’s kids played at Gasworks Park for years before it dawned on someone that it was a toxic waste site.

    A neighborhood that is ACROSS THE FREEWAY from a homeless encampment doesn’t need notification.

    And I have no idea in hell how bike lanes are going to make the Jungle more safe. Please explain, Ms. Bagshaw.

    Funny how talking about those dangerous homeless people just drives all the sense out of people’s heads.

  • Barleywine

    The people on Beacon Hill, God love ‘em, have wanted the Jungle cleaned up for a long time to make way for the final leg of the Greenway.

    I’m all in favor of the Greenway. It’s been a long time coming.

    But there are snakes in there. Not garters…Craigs!
    But what that has to do with a camp in Sodo, or an elephant in my pajamas, I’ll never know.

  • Trevor

    I have no idea where you got this idea that the goal of providing emergency shelter to a homeless person is to get that person out of homelessness. If the economy were providing jobs for all who wanted to work, if the social safety net didn’t have so many holes in it for people with mental health and drug problems to fall through, if it were impossible to go bankrupt from medical bills, if the rent were not too damn high (couldn’t resist), then there wouldn’t be any homeless people. Homeless shelters are what we get when all those other systems FAIL. They can’t replace those systems on the cheap.

    To then blame the shelter providers for that system failure makes absolutely no sense at all. To blame self-managed encampments for encouraging people to remain poor is either really stupid or really mean, or both.

  • Trevor

    Hi Fred. Thanks for your google search. Sorry you’re still missing the point that shelter will be around until that “permanent solution” you’re hoping for provides housing for everyone.

    In the meantime, a self-managed encampment requires a higher level of functionality than some homeless people have, and a permanent encampment is usually safer that having people living in jungles and harassed by cops.

  • NO

    So the goal of providing emergency shelter is to perpetuate homelessness then? I have no interest in supporting someone who isn’t even trying. Go pick someone else’s pocket for your bleeding heart causes. I’ll support those groups that are helping people help themselves, but not an endless money pit like this.

    It is people like you that make it do damn hard to be a liberal these days. You are just feeding the right wingers with this idiotic crap.

  • Suzan

    City Councils are you kidding? 10 Years plan to end homelessness!! This plan is a rip off of tax payer’s dollar. This committee was in existence for 5 years, and did nothing to alleviate the homelessness problem in King county. The money goes to developers who build houses to people make 80% of AMI.
    Do some research and do not defend this plan!!!!!

  • Krambis

    Since Bruce Harrell sponsored the race and social justice initiative I think he would have some interesting thoughts on issues such as the Sunny Jim sight – do you guys every talk to him?

  • eric

    Tim is right in that SHARE/WHEEL has no track record of helping people transition into permanent housing. The organization seems to exploit the homeless in order to sustain their business model. To get out of homelessness one needs some stability and support, two things SHARE/WHEEL does not provide. If the City is going to sponsor a tent city, then they need to find an organization to run it that has some demonstrated success in helping homeless re-enter regular society.

  • Fred

    End homelessness? What, is the city going to find a cure for bad decisions and an unwillingness to follow basic rules of society? Will it be a pill?

  • Fred

    End homelessness? What, is the city going to find a cure for bad decisions and an unwillingness to follow basic rules of society? Will it be a pill?

  • fount

    I guess I think homeless people are smart enough to decide whether they are being exploited or not.

    You say the transition out of homelessness requires stability and support, and I agree. Those are EXACTLY the two things that tent cities provide. Stability: a more permanent location, and a stable community of peers. Support: a self-organized community of peers that help each other out. Compare that to sleeping in a different shelter or on a different street every night, alone.

  • Mister X

    Interesting that she states she spoke with all councilmembers and did not quote all of them. I agree that Harrell would have interesting thoughts on race and social justice perspective. From my perspective it looks like she likes to give all of the white elected officials props. I mean, she made Darryl Smith look bad in the piece–when it is McGinn’s proposal. Coincidence? probably not.

  • Keef

    Interesting comment. I thought I was the only one who had those thoughts.

  • roy

    bs i want a free place to live,with wi-fi,food,and easy acc to a bus line for my daily panhandling activities

  • Matunos

    “Is it fair that people that are homeless have to breathe dirtier air than people who can afford a house?”

    Yeah, it is fair. If we want them to have all the benefits of having a house- which includes occupying space suitable for living on, then get them into housing. It seems obvious to me that living in a tent is not going to be as convenient of even healthy as living in a permanent structure. And unlike apartments, you can’t stack tents, so it’s not particularly space-efficient, either.

    I’m all for helping homeless people into real housing, but trying to ensure their non-housing living space is fit for human residence is a little ridiculous. They’re homeless: if they don’t like the hand-me-down spot we taxpayers are minimally setting up for them, they can take a hike to somewhere else.

  • Tim

    “Is it fair that people that are homeless have to breathe dirtier air than people who can afford a house?”

    Beggars can be choosers in Seattle apparently.

  • Teresa

    My name is Teresa, and I am an educated young disabled woman. I also reside in Nicklesville with my husband of twelve years, and my companion animal feline. About four months ago, we had our own apartment in San Diego, California. My husband had a full time job, and yet, we were facing increasing difficulty in keeping up with our bills. A ‘friend’ of ours recommended and insisted that we make a move to Washington, and we were allowed to reside at his home. Unknown to us, he did not inform his landlord…and after three months of residing with him, during this time my husband has tried to find a job to no avail, the landlord had kicked us heartlessly to the curb.

    We had become homeless, with no family to lean on, in Washington.

    We were placed in Seattle for a better chance of survival, and we had spent a weekend in DESC. Due to my feline’s nervousness, and due to miscommunication of the staff at that aforementioned shelter, we were not barred from the shelter…but my cat, unfortunatly, was. “This is a place for people, not for ‘pets’.” Remarked the Program Manager, equating a fully liscenced service/companion animal to a mere ‘pet’. Basically, it’s more acceptable in my opinion, for a human adult to urinate on themselves in DESC than for an animal to do the same in such conditions.

    In short, if it was not for a place like Nicklesville, where me and my husband can remain together with my companion animal, we would not be able to do what we are doing now. Keeping sober. Looking for gainful employment. Looking for a place to truly call our permanent home. So with this story please keep in mind that those who are homeless that are filthy, who are drunk, who harass others for money, etc….that is just a very small few of the homeless community. In Nicklesvillle, we make sure we clean up not only our encampment, but the community around us. We pick up litter from not just ourselves, but from others as well. We prohibit alcohol and drugs of any kind, and we do not allow loitering from within one mile of the outside perimeter of our encampment.

    I used to always have a roof over my head and my needs met until now. I used to look at the homeless ‘bums’ in a bad light…until I became one. You could become homeless, it doesn’t take much. It could happen overnight. If you truly do not wish to have such ‘eyesores’ around you, your places of employment, your homesteads…then please, please…help the homeless by voting for homeless shelters, homeless outreach programs, and support your local charities. Not all of us homeless are vermin in the city.