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Q&A With a Bike-Riding Bus Driver: Can Bikes and Buses Coexist?

Transportation advocates love to lump bicycles and transit into the same category. It makes sense on paper: Bikes and transit are both viable alternatives to single-occupancy vehicles, can be just as practical and fast as cars, and help reduce congestion and pollution.

But in practice, bikes and buses don’t always mix well on the road. Buses can pose a real threat to bicyclists’ safety. Bicyclists can get in the way of buses, increasing travel time and reducing their benefits.

Regular PubliCola commenter VeloBusDriver (as a public employee, he’s asked to remain anonymous) left his techie software job and started driving a Metro bus in November 2006. He has been an avid bike commuter even longer; currently, he rides his electric-assist bike eight and a half miles from his home on the Eastside to Metro’s Atlantic base to drive the afternoon Route 14.

I spoke to VBD about the problematic relationship between bikes and buses, some of the ways people can avoid those problems and Metro can work to find solutions, as well his thoughts on e-bikes. Here’s an edited transcript of our conversation.

BikeNerd: What sorts of problems have you run into as a bus driver when interacting with bicyclists? Do they slow you down or get in your way? Do you have any advice for bicyclists (or bus drivers) for avoiding common conflicts?

VeloBusDriver: I could write a book on this subject, but I’ll focus on a few things:

First, Be visible: Wear visible clothing and use lights—day and night.  It makes a huge difference from a driver’s perspective. I have lots of stories of cyclists seemingly coming out of nowhere at the last second. I can usually see a red tail light three or more blocks away while some lighting conditions can hide cyclists until I’m almost on top of you.  Seriously, please, get front and back lights and use them all the time—I do.

Second: The “three-foot passing rule.” Cycling advocacy groups have been pushing for legislation defining 3 feet as a safe passing distance. Cyclists need to remember that this applies to them as well. When you’re passing a bus (hopefully on the left side and not on the right), please try to give at least three feet. This is especially important for buses, since we are constantly moving to and from the curb to pick up passengers.

Third: Don’t plant yourself in blind spots when waiting for a light.  Many cyclists like to ride up on the right side of my bus and then wait for the light right next to the door.  There are many blind spots on a bus caused by window frames and the fare box, especially for shorter bus drivers. We are trained to “rock and roll” in the seat to expose the blind spots, but relying on a human being to be perfect in all situations is risky. Either wait behind the bus, or get well in front of the bus where you are very visible. Wherever you are waiting, it’s a good idea to make sure you can see the bus driver’s eyes directly.

BikeNerd: Do cyclists slow you down?

VBD:  Yes and no. Yes in the sense that there are many times I am “stuck” behind a cyclist, particularly going up hills.  No in the sense that when I keep track of time, it usually only accounts for a minute or two over an entire route at most. The biggest problem I have is passing a cyclist and then having a customer pull the bell at the last second.  I then have to figure out how to get into my zone quickly and safely. Sometimes I’m sure it looks like I’m being a jerk, but really, I’m not.

BikeNerd: In that same vein, some bus drivers seem to treat bicyclists like a nuisance and make awfully close and fast passes sometimes. What’s the general perception of bikes among Metro drivers? What’s Metro’s stance on passing bikes vs. waiting behind them (particularly on roads where buses and bikes tend to share the bus lane)?

VBD: There is absolutely no excuse for a close and/or fast pass. Metro’s entire philosophy toward driving is “prevent the preventable.” Rushing for time is not something Metro ever encourages. Because of this, anything involving a close or fast pass would not be acceptable since it decreases the margin of safety.

Although we aren’t given a lot of specific training on how to deal with cyclists, we are constantly receiving training and safety messages to slow down, take it easy, and give plenty of room to all road users.

BikeNerd: Road diet opponents like to say that rechannelizations on roads like Nickerson, 125th, and Admiral Way slow down transit, defeating the purpose of making the road more accessible to all transportation modes. Have you found this to be the case?

VBD: My personal opinion is that the wider lanes given to automobiles after a road diet helps us keep the bus in the lane. Many four-lane roads have lanes that are too narrow. In such instances, we are trained to split the lanes, basically taking up both lanes, to prevent drivers from being too close to us, especially around turns.

BikeNerd: Did allowing bikes to get on and off in the ride-free area slow buses down or otherwise hurt service?

VBD: A little bit, but not much. Most rush-hour cyclists have the bike rack routine down. They will load their bike and then wait at the end of the line of folks boarding the bus.

One concern I have is with cyclists rushing to catch my bus.  I’ve had many cyclists ride up on the left side of my bus, or even from the opposing lane of traffic, and then stop in front of me to load their bike. This is a very unwise thing to do. There is a blind spot up there and we’re not expecting cyclists to ride up on the left side and stop in front of the bus.  Always load from the curb side and always make sure the driver knows you are in front of the bus – we really appreciate it.

BikeNerd: Do you have an opinion on the new three-bike racks? Any thoughts on how Metro could improve their bike carrying system?

VBD: I personally like the new bike racks.  They are a little bit more difficult to use since you can’t stand your bike up in them and then pull the arm up. The arms seem to be a bit more difficult to operate too—probably because you have to hold your bike with your other hand.  That said, the new bike racks feel more secure and can hold my monster electric bike with no trouble. They also can handle bikes with 16-inch wheels such as Dahon folding bikes.

BikeNerd: What are you thoughts on the bike storage on light rail?

VBD: I don’t have a lot of experience with light rail since I live on the Eastside. However, in my humble opinion, Link needs luggage racks for folks who like to shove their luggage into the bike rack space. I’ve been on one Link train that had luggage in the bike rack area as well as one of the wheelchair flip-up seats. At the same time, the car was crowded and had both a bicycle and a wheelchair in the area between doors. Everybody was getting along fine but as Link gets more crowded, this is just going to cause more conflicts.

BikeNerd: You’ve got both an electric-assist bike and a traditional geared bike. What made you decided to get the e-bike originally? When do you chose the e-bike over the non e-bike these days?

VBD: I purchased the Giant Twist after I gave up on bike commuting for several y ears because of knee problems. After a year of riding the Twist, my knees improved to the point where I can ride 20 or more miles a day again.  I use it less these days—mainly when I’m being lazy or don’t want to get sweaty. I’ve got about 800 miles on my Surly this year and 780 miles on the e-bike, so I guess I’ve been lazy a bunch this year.

BikeNerd: Do you think there’s a future for e-bikes in America? What will it take for them to go mainstream?

VBD: It’s a good question that I don’t really know the answer to. “Real” cyclists don’t like them because they think they are for “cheaters.” They are also expensive, but not when compared with a car.

That said, they make Seattle’s hills very manageable and I don’t need a shower even after riding eight and a half miles to work with hills. My biggest concern is that e-bike speeds need to be limited. Mine tops out at 15mph so it’s actually a bit slower than my cross bike. People who use e-bikes that can go faster are just inviting bans because of reckless behavior.




  • Anonymous

    Very nice interview, thanks to both of you.

  • WestLakeBikeLanePlease!

    This is a great article. Very helpful. Thanks for writing it. I’ve been using VeloBusDriver’s tips for riding near buses and for riding in general ever since I read them in another post last spring. I’ve adopted the being visible with lights even during the day, always wearing bright clothing, and never passing a bus on the right. I drive a school bus, drive a car, walk, and bike, and the thing that strikes me is that most people are good about sharing the road, if they know you are there. In all modes of transportation there are idiots making that mode look bad. And the road diet that drives me crazy… the one on 50th between Aurora and I-5 doesn’t even have bike lanes on most of it. I’m okay with Stone (though Woodland Park Ave is perfect for a cycle track one of these days) and Phinney/Greenwood. I don’t get slowed down driving too much and they are much easier to cross when I’m a pedestrian.

  • Gene

    Great idea to interview VeloBusDriver. He knows his stuff!

  • Rich

    Good interview. I’m a regular bike commuter, and I feel that Metro’s drivers are some of the best in town. I will quibble with the article’s headline. Must all stories be conflict themed? If I want “the war on…” stories, I’ll go to Fox or the Seattle Times.

  • ChadCM

    Rocking the Surly Cross-Check, he does indeed know his stuff!

  • Sigh

    Yes, Rich they must be conflict-themed. Don Henley said it true: “We all know that Crap is King; Give us dirty laundry!”

  • Eddiew

    yes, nice interview.
    but in fact, transit flow has been rarely discussed in the road diet debates. even pedestrian safety has been largely absent as the press has focused on bikes v. cars. transit flow is sometimes important. at higher traffic and transit volumes, the road diets have slowed transit flow. both the Greenwood-Phinney and Madison Street diets slowed transit. some some important transit arterials were converted to three lane profiles decades ago (e.g., Broadway, North 45th Street, and California Avenue SW).
    lately, SDOT is adding bus bulbs and transit and right turn lanes to arterials with diets.
    there is friction between bikes and transit. transit must reach the curb to serve stops. the friction is worse going uphill.
    the notion of complete streets is difficult. sometimes, we would be better off with specialization. examples: on Capitol Hill, focus transit on Pine Street; put bike lanes on Pike Street; focus bus bulbs on the Ave; emphasize through bikes on Brooklyn Avenue NE.
    to provide bikes some emphasis arterials perhaps transit should use fewer, providing more service frequency and less coverage. Example: Mapleleaf does not need three transit arterials.

  • why many don’t bike

    for a good reason why most people don’t bike take a look at the seattle times front page photo today.

    Planning to have the bike traffic be right there on the arterials with no separation in a bike track and fighting with busses, pedestrians, parked car doors being flung open into the bike lane squeezed in in between 35 mph cars and parked cars, etc. is just not safe. It does not even feel safe to park on some of those arterials and have the traffic zip by 4 feet away at 40 mph, I am not going to want to plan to ride my bike every day to go to work where the bike “lane” is just a picture of a bike on the ground and there are busses in front of me pulling over, a bus stopped to get passengers and canted into the bike “space” and all kinds of traffic making it just too much to be on the lookout for that little defect in the roadway that can create a horrible tragedy as shown on the paper today.

    We need bike lanes people in Amsterdam (60 year olds with no helmets, 25 year olds with no helmets, slower bikers, not spandex) would feel safe on.

    The spandex thrills of zipping around in traffic going 25 mph keeping up with the lights on second avenue as if you can go as fast as a car without facing risks a thousand times gresater than a car faces are simply not ever going to have mass appeal.

    That kind of biking joyfully fast mixing with traffic and roadway dangers can leads to a lifetime on wheels. The kind shown in the photo in the Times today.

    Not a good way to reduce your use of cars and carbon outputs, really.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    About the picture at the top of the story, is that bus carrying that bike around as a warning to other bikes?

  • Readerboy

    I am a bike commuter most of the year, but use Metro when I don’t. THIS IS A GREAT ARTICLE! Many of the common sense tips I never would have thought of. Thank you.

    PS The new 3-bike racks are great. It is very reassuring because you are almost always guaranteed a slot, even during rush hour.

  • Anonymous

    Great interview.When I started riding in Seattle 15 years ago there were far more sadistic, bike-hating bus drivers out there, who would scare the shit out of you just to get their jollies. I see far, far fewer these days.Now interview the drivers who pose even greater hazards to bikes: – Cabs – sleep deprived, under-trained, uncaring cabbies – Contractors/utility/handy-men types – these trucks drive all day, every day, and time is money. They often simply don’t have the required patience for driving in harmony with bikes. – Parents in minivans. Say all you want about cell-phone use and texting, if you want to see a distracted driver, look at parents (speaking as one). That, combined with the crappy sight-lines mini-vans provide, and these may be the most dangerous thing on the road. Contractors might try to kill you on purpose, but I’ve been almost offed by accident by a mini-van far more often. I won’t even get into the Taser and Golf-club wielding nut-cases driven to a frenzied rage by Seattle Times headlines. When they suggest a car-bike war, these folks take it serious!

  • Anonymous

    Great interview.When I started riding in Seattle 15 years ago there were far more sadistic, bike-hating bus drivers out there, who would scare the shit out of you just to get their jollies. I see far, far fewer these days.Now interview the drivers who pose even greater hazards to bikes: – Cabs – sleep deprived, under-trained, uncaring cabbies – Contractors/utility/handy-men types – these trucks drive all day, every day, and time is money. They often simply don’t have the required patience for driving in harmony with bikes. – Parents in minivans. Say all you want about cell-phone use and texting, if you want to see a distracted driver, look at parents (speaking as one). That, combined with the crappy sight-lines mini-vans provide, and these may be the most dangerous thing on the road. Contractors might try to kill you on purpose, but I’ve been almost offed by accident by a mini-van far more often. I won’t even get into the Taser and Golf-club wielding nut-cases driven to a frenzied rage by Seattle Times headlines. When they suggest a car-bike war, these folks take it serious!

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    For your consideration (and for thanks to Velobusdriver for his bi-modal leadership): Good Cyclist, Bad Cyclist http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/good-cyclistbad-cyclist/

    -jw

  • MapleLeaf

    I put about 3,000 miles commuting on my bike each year, and I find that bus drivers are vastly smarter than car drivers about sharing the road with cyclists. Obviously this is Metro’s pervasive system of bus-driver training and ethics of safety, and that infrastructure simply doesn’t exist for car drivers. But some of the bus-driver lessons must be communicable to car-drivers – could some of those ethics or instructions possibly be made into street-signs that car drivers would see? Just having neon “REMEMBER, THIS IS A BIKE HIGHWAY” signs along Westlake and all over Capitol Hill might go a long way… Other ideas?

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    By the way – is it at all ironic that PubliCola has AGAIN used your photo uncredited, Velo?

  • Anonymous

    Indeed. I took Dexter this morning for the the first time during morning commute in a long, long time. I had ridden this hill all through my 20s and early 30s, and at the time I thought was great bike infrastructure!

    I had completely forgotten how inaccessible it was to the casual bicyclist.

    A steep hill with fast cars inches a way, huge potholes, cars turning into you from all directions, trucks parked in your lane, and adrenalin-fueled spandex the predominant bike-type.

    No wonder we can’t bump up the bike-share more than a modest amount. This is the main thoroughfare from the north-end!

    There are only a very small percentage of folks who are the kind of Adrenalin-junkie willing to put up with that road, and I think I’m rapidly falling out of that group.

    Safe and flat. Safe and flat. Give us Westlake.

  • MudBaby

    I couldn’t agree more with everything you’ve said about the Dexter bike lanes. Unfortunately, SDOT will never give us Westlake because they covet the parking fees they generate from the parking lot in the old Interurban right-of-way along Westlake Ave. It’s interesting to note that both SDOT and Seattle Parks could easily afford to build redundant sidewalks along Westlake and in the vast wasteland that is the new SLU park. to put in

  • Andreas

    Other municipalities have “Bicycles Allowed Use of Full Lane” signs (often along with “Change Lanes to Pass” signs). See here for examples. I’d love to see SDOT put those up in Seattle, especially on roads like Westlake or Pike that cyclists commonly use but which don’t have bike lanes.

  • andreas

    Regarding potholes, I recommend putting SDOT’s Pothole Hotline in your cell phone’s address book, so when you come across one you can just pull off the road and report it then and there.

    Of course, if we’re talking Dexter, the worst pavement is in front of the southbound bus stop just as the hill begins, and until they redo that bus pad with concrete, no amount of asphalt patching is going to do that spot much good.

  • WestlakeBikeLane Please!

    We don’t need a bike lane in the parking lot or on the sidewalk, we need it down the street itself. There is no parking on the street now so there are no car doors, there are very few driveways, and frankly not a ton of traffic. I’d love to see the traffic volume numbers on it now. It is primed for a road diet. Would also make it easier to pop accross the street from the parking lots. I simply won’t go Dexter anymore. Too hilly and too dangerous. It is there more for the QA people anyway and I am no longer a QA person.

  • cyclewonder

    As a cyclist who daily rides north through downtown on 3rd Avenue with the buses, I have always wanted to ask Metro drivers whether they prefer cyclists to take the center lane (as I do), or stay to the right. I think staying in the center lane is best for cyclists on 3rd because they have greater visibility and are better able to stay out of the way of the buses that are constantly stopping in the right-hand lane.

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    Staying to the right is fine, but understand that on 3rd avenue we practice “skip stops” – about half the routes stop at the yellow zones: half at the others. So there’s a lot of lane-changing going on. Functionally, it’s better if you use the right lane, as we’re moving in and out of that lane anyway.

    4th Ave. is a different story. Many cyclists completely ignore the left-hand bike lane, preferring instead to use the right lane. This is a problem as buses travelling on 4th (north-bound) serve every stop in the right-hand lane except those headed through for a terminal (center). Add the confusion of some cyclists using the designated bike lane on the left, and others using the right-hand lane and – well, it’s pretty chaotic.

  • cyclewonder

    Oh, I’d also like to add that in my experience Metro drivers are overwhelmingly AWESOME in their consideration of cyclists on the road. I’ve only ever had one driver pull a dick move on me in over 7 years of daily commuting in Seattle. So thanks y’all!

  • leo

    One comment Josh, your question, “Don’t bikes get in your way?”
    Josh, bikes or cars, or busses, or trucks- don’t get in your way. You don’t have right of way over a vehicle in front of you.
    Remember that a bicyclist MAY use the center of the lane, even at less than traffic speed, if in the opinion of the cyclist it is necessary for his/her safety or if they are preparing to make, or making turns.
    But, great interview!

  • BikeRider1

    I do have a question – what is the bus policy on pulling fully over to the curb for letting off passengers? There have been occassions where a bus signals that it is pulling off to the right but sometimes stops 1/2 in the lane and 1/2 in the bike lane (i.e. not fully pulling over and taking up 2 lanes of traffic – one vehicle and one bike lane). To me, it seems highly unsafe to drop passengers off into the bike lane and it is confusing for bikes as to whether to stop and wait or to pass on the left in a lane of traffic.

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    BikeRider1,

    There is no requirement that buses pull completely out of traffic in order to pick up passengers in a zone. In many places (like along 10th avenue headed north to Brodway during rush hour), it makes more sense for the bus to block while picking up passengers rather than leaving the lane, then having to wait to be let back in to traffic.

    Stopping and waiting seems like the best and safest solution or passing on the left if it’s safe.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve mostly given up my bike in the recent months, after I bought a 49cc moped that I now use for almost all of my travels. However, when I did bike around, I found it most comfortable and safe to simply bike in the traffic lanes.

    If you present yourself to drivers as simply another vehicle, occupying the lane, people tend to behave more sensibly and predictably around you. You fit more easily into their road-manners paradigm; they don’t have to think extra to notice you. It’s where drivers are already looking, after all.

    And always stay in or near the center of the lane, present yourself as occupying that space. Riding to one side encourages people to try and “squeeze by”, rather than executing a complete safe and proper passing maneuver.

    I really love the “sharrows”. It took SDOT a few tries to get the placement right, but now they’re working out splendidly. The only time I prefer a full bike lane is on a hill, where I just need to get out of traffic and inch along in a low gear. Sharrows up and down Westlake would be so simple and work so well, on that flat corridor.

  • BikeToWork

    To help bus drivers know that I’m passing on the left (when they are stopped to pick up passengers) I give them 3 light toots on my air horn, just like buses do when they pass each other.

    I’ve got lights, reflective vest etc, but that air horn definitely attracts attention.

    http://www.amazon.com/Delta-Airzound-Bike-Horn/dp/B000ACAMJC

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