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PubliCola Picks “Yes” on Initiative 1098

By introducing an income tax on the state’s highest wage earners, Initiative 1098 sets out to correct two fundamental flaws of Washington State’s revenue system. The first problem is the crippled budget, which has faced $12 billion and counting in serious recession-induced shortfalls for the last couple of sessions. The legislature has responded by axing state services. (It is, sadly, easier to cut programs for the poor, than to raise taxes over the roar of newspaper editorials, talk radio jocks, and threats from big spenders like the American Beverage Association lobby and the oil industry).

Unfortunately, a cuts-heavy solution ($5 billion vs. $757 million in new revenue) has dangerous impacts. For example, public education, which makes up about half of the state budget, took $218.8 million in cuts to K-12 and higher ed funding in the 2010.

The second problem I-1098 addresses is the state’s regressive  tax structure—because the state relies heavily on sales taxes for revenue, our taxes disproportionately affect those in the lowest income bracket. The bottom fifth income earners in Washington State pay approximately 17 percent of their incomes in taxes, while the middle class pays 11 percent. The top one percent of earners pay only 2.6 percent of their income in taxes.

I-1098 addresses both the revenue problem and the unbalanced tax equation. It deals with revenue by raising $2 billion annually, channeling the funds into state health services and the state’s education legacy trust account.

Second, by taxing the two highest brackets (five percent on individual income above $200,000 and partners’ income above $400,000, and nine percent on individual income above $500,000 and partners’ income above $1 million) and alleviating the burden of the state’s business and occupation taxes on small businesses (raising the exemption from $420 to $4800) the initiative aims to level the field slightly.

We think this action is long overdue. Washington State’s tax structure is unfair and inefficient, and this measure—giving small businesses a break while shifting some of the tax burden from the poor to the rich—is a good compromise. It’s generous toward businesses suffering from the recession, and sensitive to voters who have consistently shown ill will toward the idea of an across-the-board income tax.

Opponents have raised a few red flags about the initiative. They argue that Washington State attracts successful businesses and talent in part because there’s no income tax. People who make more than $200,000, or might someday make more than $200,000, are more likely to want to live here.

In reality, though, there are many other factors that attract businesses and talent here—our high percentage of educated adults, Seattle’s large research university, and the high proportion of big companies already located here.

And the thing is, 43 other states have income taxes—there aren’t a lot of places to move to avoid paying income tax. Based on data from the Tax Foundation, which studies income tax rates between states, the Sightline Institute and a few other stats nerds found that the correlation between states with higher effective income taxes for high earners and the presence of millionaires is exactly .00003—meaning, basically, high tax rates have no influence on the number of high income earners living in a state.

The No camp points out that the 9 percent highest marginal rate would put Washington State in the top four or five among states levying an income tax. However, according to a study by the liberal Economic Opportunity Institute, the effective tax rate—thanks in part to the exemption up to $200,000—would put Washington State at 26th out of all 44 states that levy an income tax on the wealthy.

Opponents also worry that the state’s Education Legacy Fund, which is slated to receive the 70 percent of the $2 billion, is easy for legislators to raid. True. The legislature has a history of pilfering from the fund. However, most of the state’s general fund pays for education and health—90 percent of it, in the 2009-2011 biennium. So, the argument that the Legacy Fund is vulnerable is, ironically, an argument for I-1098. The need for education funding there, and that’s where the money has been, and obviously, will be going.

The argument from the anti-1098 campaign that’s sticking and could ultimately defeat the measure is the fear that a high-earners income tax could become an across-the-board income tax in two years, once the legislature is legally allowed to review the measure. That seems unlikely to us, given the extreme difficulty legislators have faced in even proposing an income tax in recent years. (They tried in both 2009 and 2010. The proposals didn’t even make it out of committee.) The fact is, an income tax is the third rail of Washington State politics. If incumbents think they’re facing a backlash now, watch the house cleaning after they institute an income tax. It’s political suicide.

Our own concern involves so-called “S” corporations. S corps are businesses that are small enough—fewer than 100 shareholders—so there’s no distinction between the owners’ taxable income and their business’ revenue, meaning that S corps (for example law firms, small restaurant chains, or, for a less typical example, the Bartell’s chain of drugstores) would be subject to the tax just like people who personally earn over $200,000. Our worry: This could discourage owners from investing back into their businesses—if you’re going to get taxed either way, you may as well keep the money you can. However, there is no data available on exactly how many of these firms would be affected by the tax (although the opponents estimated that there are around 5,000). That number would include Bartell family, owner of Bartell Drugs, hardly a poster child for a small start up that needs a tax break. It’s also true that you can deduct business investments, and so, recoup some the of the money.

The fact that some of Washington State’s most prominent innovators and entrepreneurs, particularly at Microsoft and much of the state’s tech community, have come out against the tax also makes us pause. They say, with some weight, that the initiative penalizes those who are responsible for the prosperity of our region, for providing much of the high-paying jobs. We understand that criticism—Washington State should take pains to nurture its greatest innovators and job providers. But Steve Ballmer at Microsoft, one of the big contributors to the ‘No’ effort, is also on record repeatedly calling for education funding. How does he propose to fund education? Here’s a concrete solution. And he’s spent $425,000 to defeat it.

On a fundamental level, this initiative is about justice—creating a fair tax system where high earners pay their fair share, and the state continues its duty to provide basic education and health services to the people who live here. If the high-earners’ income tax constitutes some kind of class warfare because it targets one group of people—the highest income brackets—please consider then that the current system already targets one group of people—the lowest income bracket—by charging a flat sales tax. 1098 is an opportunity to set things straight.

Full Disclosure: Sandeep Kaushik, who co-founded PubliCola in January 2009, works for the “Yes” campaign. Sandeep has no editorial role at PubliCola.

PubliCola investor Rajeev Singh is the COO of Concur Technologies, which contributed to the “No” campaign. PubliCola investor Greg Smith contributed to the “No” campaign.

To read all of our 60-plus PubliCola Picks, including our initial batch of 32 No Brainers, click here.




  • Anonymous

    Huh? You said, “… this initiative is about justice—creating a fair tax system where high earners pay their fair share…”

    What’s your definition of fair? And, how are you arriving at your answer?

    Exactly what services are the rich using that are a bigger drain on the taxpayers than the poor?

    - Schools? (No .. the rich are more likely to use private schools)
    - Roads? (No idea .. do the rich really drive more?)
    - Medical? (No .. the rich are much more likely to have good insurance)
    - Police? (No)

    So let’s make sure I understand. Those who use less services should chip in many times as much for their share of the same services, and that is fair?

    How about we reward the rich for:

    - Higher charity donations
    - Generating more jobs

  • Anonymous

    Totally. You know who uses the most services? The poor. Let’s institute a tax on people earning less than $20k.

  • pointed questions

    what is your income? how much in state income tax would you be paying?
    ]
    is it $300K so you’re paying 4% of the amount over 200K? or $4,000?
    Are you saying you make $300K today and your take home is $200K and if we put in this state tax on high earners it would reduce your take home to $196K and you’re suggesting we should give a shit about that? That instead of that $4K coming from you, easily able to afford it, we should go get it from people who make $20K? That’s stupid. It’s the people down at $20K or $30K who don’t have enough money for school and housing and tuition for community colelge for their kid. You want their kid to not go to community college so you can blow $4K on another week at Sun Valley. You say that’s “fair.” Ok, let’s say it’s fair but tell me this:

    why should the people making $20-80K give a crap about what’s fair to you?

  • pointed questions

    what is your income? how much in state income tax would you be paying?
    ]
    is it $300K so you’re paying 4% of the amount over 200K? or $4,000?
    Are you saying you make $300K today and your take home is $200K and if we put in this state tax on high earners it would reduce your take home to $196K and you’re suggesting we should give a shit about that? That instead of that $4K coming from you, easily able to afford it, we should go get it from people who make $20K? That’s stupid. It’s the people down at $20K or $30K who don’t have enough money for school and housing and tuition for community colelge for their kid. You want their kid to not go to community college so you can blow $4K on another week at Sun Valley. You say that’s “fair.” Ok, let’s say it’s fair but tell me this:

    why should the people making $20-80K give a crap about what’s fair to you?

  • Anonymous

    Pointed Question:

    I didn’t argue anything with respect to prop 1098. I certainly have opinions on it, but those have nothing to do with my objection to this article. My objection is that the writer of the article believes that a “Fair” system of taxation is to shift more of the burden to the rich. My question is, “What makes this more fair than any other apportionment method?” If the author had said, “We believe the rich should shoulder more of the burden, because the non-rich are already overloaded and can’t handle any further taxation”, then I wouldn’t have quibbled with the statement. It’s the dig at the rich, and the implication that they aren’t paying their fair share that I didn’t like.

    My thought is that the rich are good for the economy and we want as many in Washington as we can get. Many, including myself, are here because of the tax structure in Washington. I moved my company into the state, along with 100s of jobs, because of the lack of a state income tax. There is a correlation between tax rates and where the rich choose to live or base their companies.

    I’m not sure what percent of taxes the wealthy are paying today, but I don’t think I am wrong to say that at the federal level something like 90% of taxes are paid by under 10% of the population. I’m not complaining about this, because I’m happy to give something back to the society that helped me become wealthy. That said, it bothers me when the 90% who ARE NOT paying their share of the taxes control 90% of the voting. Assuming that the trend continues of shoveling all of the costs onto a smaller and smaller percentage of the population, how do we stop the 90% from voting themselves about anything they’d like?

    And, why, as that most evil of all possible people “a rich person” would I want to establish residency in a state (or country) that does that?

    Fair is fair, in my mind. If someone isn’t chipping in on the cost of something, why can’t they have less voice in how the money is spent?

    Or, if I’m wrong, try this experiment in your company, home owners association, or club. Pick 10% of the people in the room, and put them in charge of paying for all future events. Then give everyone a vote as to whether everyone in the room gets a $100 check. Let me know what happens, and whether or not the 10% agree that the process is fair.

  • anon

    Maybe one day Publicola will have enough revenue to pay B&O tax. Then ask yourselves if you think “the poor” pay all the taxes in this state.

    Class warfare is “justice?” That’s a load. If you really want to help the poor, then endorse taking money from the rich and paying it directly to the poor instead of funneling it through the public employee unions first.

  • Anonymous

    You are seriously naive. There is no way this tax will stay limited to just the high wage earners. Proposition 1098 would make it too darn easy for the crooks and liars in Olympia to crank up the tax ATM machine. Don’t kid yourselves. The real goal of 1098 is to bring an income tax to Washington. The initial high threshold $200K/$400K individual/couple limits are just a red herring – the thin entering wedge. The promised property tax cuts and business tax cuts are token amounts – chump change; the only real goal is to get an income tax authorized any way they can so they can get the DOR started building the tax return processing infrastructure.

    Since every citizen of Washington with earned income (not just those who will initially have to pay the tax) will have to file a tax return from day one, after two years the DOR will have the tax return processing infrastructure in place, the statutory protection will be over and a simple majority of the fiscally irresponsible legislature will be able to initiate the inevitable downward tax bracket creep to extend the income tax to all Washington wage earners. And of course, by then the promises of tax relief and education funding will be conveniently forgotten and Washington will end up just like Oregon with a nice new income tax but still with the high sales and property taxes.

    Look at the spending increases these loons have produced over the last six years:

    2005: $25.6 billion
    2006: $26.1 billion
    2007: $28.5 billion
    2008: $30.5 billion
    2009: $32.8 billion
    2010: $35.2 billion (projected)
    2011: $37.1 billion (proposed)

    Good times or bad, the spending just keeps going up and up and up – far in excess of inflation or population growth – it’s just never enough. The spending beast is insatiable and a new income tax would be a huge buffet. Let’s prevent this travesty and STOP IT NOW, before it gets started, starve the beast and force better choices in how the tons of money it already gets are spent.

    VOTE NO ON 1098!!

  • http://twitter.com/eoionline eoionline.org

    Regarding S-corps, it should be noted that:

    1) They do not pay federal corporate income taxes – which is nice tax advantage over other types of corporations.

    2) IRS data shows that of those Washington tax filers claiming net business income from a sole proprietorship, S-corporation and/or partnership, only 10.6% show an AGI of more than $200,000.

    And since 85% of high-income returns are filed jointly, a substantial proportion of those tax filers would be exempt from paying state income tax on AGI up to $400,000 per year.

    See: http://www.eoionline.org/tax_reform/fact_sheets/SmallBusinessIncomeTax-Jun2010.pdf

    ~Aaron Keating
    Communications Director
    Economic Opportunity Institute

  • Anonymous

    Aaron, how far back shall we go before state spending is where you like it? 1995? 1975? 1905? What’s the number?

    Got a number in mind? Good. Now, where and what – specifically – should be cut? School budgets? Health care for seniors? Close all the state prisons?

    Be specific now, and back up your proposals with verifiable facts. That is, if you have any.

  • Anonymous

    Have you actually read the initiative? Section 1004 states that no expansion of the income thresholds can be undertaken by the legislature WITHOUT a popular vote of the people.

    Taking into account this section of 1098, the initiative actually makes it MORE difficult for Olympia to impose a general income tax. There is no such language stopping them from doing so today, but under 1098 their would be, along with credible transparency measures.

  • Anonymous

    Good thing then that I 1098 eliminates the B & O tax for 80% of Washington businesses and reduces it for another 12%. You should be all for it!

  • anon

    Except that the remaining 8% still pay 90% of the state’s B&O tax, just like they do today.

    Oh, but that would mean we have some progressive taxes and that can’t be true because everyone knows the rich don’t pay anything.

  • Anonymous

    With inflation, $25.6 billion in 2005 is the same as $26.4 billion in 2006. So spending actually went down. This is similar (though not consistant) in the other years you mentioned.

    Now, look at population. WA population went up about 30% in the past decade. So our spending per person went dramatically down during the time period you listed.

  • Anonymous

    New to the state? You obviously don’t understand that under the Washington state constitution the legislature may repeal or revise ANY voter initiative by a simple majority vote after two years. They may do it at any time with a two thirds majority vote. Did you miss what they did to the 2/3 majority tax increase requirement passed two years ago? That’s why we’re having to vote on it again.

    There is no protection at all against changes after two years. We need to stop it NOW!

    VOTE NO ON 1098!!

  • Anonymous

    Are you new to the state? Raising taxes is political suicide here. That’s why it has to be done via inititive.

  • Anonymous

    Well, gee, since you asked so politely.

    The whole notion that if 1098 doesn’t pass drastic cuts will have to be made to education or critical services is a canard – a big, steaming pile of bovine excreta. Back in the Navy we had what was called, “The Admiral’s Yacht Syndrome.” If the Navy budget got cut, they’d mothball carriers, cut air wings, stop development of new submarines but through it all, always the admirals kept their yachts.

    My suggestion would be freeze all state hiring and spending at 2008 levels for three years, immediately cut administration staffs at all state agencies – including schools – by 15%, increase state employee benefit contributions to match private industry norms and hire an independent management consultant firm that specializes in large business down sizing to review the state budget line by line and recommend additional major cuts. Choices must be made. Let’s see what we can do with what we’ve got before going straight to the emotional scare tactics of cutting education and vital services. But no! It’s never enough for you and your ilk. It’s always just toss on some more taxes or the kids and services will suffer.

    Proposals like Proposition 1098 just make it too darn easy to crank up the tax ATM machine without any regard to whether we’re getting value for our money. And I say, let’s not give them any more until they demonstrate more responsibility for what we already give them.

  • Anonymous

    Many zealots have no problem committing suicide in pursuit of their causes.

  • Anonymous

    Their causes? 2/3′s of our elected representatives causes? Do you even understand democracy?

  • Anonymous

    More of this “them” crap. The “them” being the people we elect to office. If you don’t like the decisions “they” make, why not run for office yourself, Aaron Burr?

  • Anonymous

    Okay, so a hiring freeze. Done. You’ll save a few million with the employee benefit contribution hike. You can even freeze salaries, so no additional expenditures there. But you want to spend at 2008 levels, so that’s a $7 billion dollar cut from the projected budget number you post above for 2011. What are you going to cut to save that $7 billion? (Billion. With a ‘b’. As in, 9 zeroes.)

    Cutting “administration” at state agencies means what, exactly? The people who work at these places all “administer” state programs. You’re going to take 15% of every assistant principal out of each school? 15% of every prison supervisor out of prison? 15% of every accountant that makes sure the books balance? 15% of every person ordering immunizations? How much would that total?

    And you know, the state has this consultant. You might have heard of him? He’s called the State Auditor. We elect him, you know. And for all his looking, he’s never found close to $7 billion in savings. (And don’t tout the “$3 billion” savings claim that’s floating around these days – that includes the cost of relieving traffic congestion, and we won’t be doing much of that under your plan because the state won’t be hiring any new project managers, planners, accountants, or other “administrative” types, remember?)

    You say choices must be made. But despite your rhetoric, you still haven’t made any of the hard choices yet. And please. “Let’s not give them any more”? Why don’t we just eliminate state government entirely Aaron? You can be the first volunteer to be in charge of paving I-5 next summer.

  • Maya68

    YES on 1098!
    Hard working teachers deserve a lucrative and early retirement just like everybody else!

  • Joshp100

    It’s always easy to raise someone else’s taxes. But if an income tax is such a good idea (and I think it is) how come these 1098 supporters aren’t volunteering to pay income taxes as well? If it is “just” for a 5% rate at $200K why not ask folks to pay 1-2% starting at $50K, as well? It would raise a lot more money and it would be more progressive. Isn’t that the goal?

    Instead of arguing that the legislature would never dare to ask the other 98% of the state to pay for schools and the basic health plan, why not just buck up and act like a citizen who believes an income tax is a more just way to fund public services. We should hope the legislature has the courage to do what Bill Gates Sr. didn’t and expand the tax to more than the top 1.2% of earners.

    If the supporters of this initiative weren’t so cynical in their soak the rich rhetoric and their pandering to property and business owners, they might have put together an initiative to reform the state’s tax system. Instead we get an appeal to asking 98% of voters to make no sacrifice for schools or health – just raise someone else’s taxes instead.

    Bill Gates, Sr.’s nasty-minded tax on 1.2% of the population has set tax reform back for another generation in Washington State.

  • Joshp100

    It’s always easy to raise someone else’s taxes. But if an income tax is such a good idea (and I think it is) how come these 1098 supporters aren’t volunteering to pay income taxes as well? If it is “just” for a 5% rate at $200K why not ask folks to pay 1-2% starting at $50K, as well? It would raise a lot more money and it would be more progressive. Isn’t that the goal?

    Instead of arguing that the legislature would never dare to ask the other 98% of the state to pay for schools and the basic health plan, why not just buck up and act like a citizen who believes an income tax is a more just way to fund public services. We should hope the legislature has the courage to do what Bill Gates Sr. didn’t and expand the tax to more than the top 1.2% of earners.

    If the supporters of this initiative weren’t so cynical in their soak the rich rhetoric and their pandering to property and business owners, they might have put together an initiative to reform the state’s tax system. Instead we get an appeal to asking 98% of voters to make no sacrifice for schools or health – just raise someone else’s taxes instead.

    Bill Gates, Sr.’s nasty-minded tax on 1.2% of the population has set tax reform back for another generation in Washington State.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Vote NO on 1098.

    It’s a Tax on the Middle Class.

    There is no disguising it anymore.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    If Gates were sincere, he wouldn’t have given himself a big tax cut with the property tax reduction.

    Just that alone would be enough reason to at least question this horrible bill.

    Vote no on 1098.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    If Gates were sincere, he wouldn’t have given himself a big tax cut with the property tax reduction.

    Just that alone would be enough reason to at least question this horrible bill.

    Vote no on 1098.

  • Wake Up to Reality

    My suspicion is that no one working at Publilcola has ever held a job in the private sector that was profit driven, that has ever owned or run a sub S corporation or run a business for profit or had to be responsible for a payroll while competing in the private sector. If they had they would understand what a detriment this Initiative 1098 places on small business. It is wonderful to say lets spend more on education and cut a very small part of your property taxes while putting thousands of small business that are formed under a sub S corp out of business. Ignorance is inexcuseable when you are preaching to the uninformed, ideological progressive audience you seem to attract. Do you have any idea what it takes to create a job in the private sector and compete with national and international corporations? Have you ever considered why some of the supporters of this initiative love to take the platform and brag about their many homes, jets and lavish lifestyle? What a great way to showoff their wealth. Sickening!! They have their income sheltered. If this passes ten years from now every resident of this state will be paying an income tax, the unemployment rate will still be high because so many small businesses have been run out and the super wealthy will have either moved their residents out of state or created trusts that protect their worth. As usual, the average guy gets screwed!!

  • Democratic Insider

    @Joshp100: agree 100%. A tax system that places an unequal burden on the top and bottom earners is inherently no “fairer” than a system that focused the burden disproportionately just on the poor.

    I had the opportunity to sit in on one of the Burbank/Gates planning sessions for this initiative and there was no discussion of fairness. Instead the discussion was of what the polling data suggested might pass.

    Washington needs an income tax, along with sales tax and property tax, to create a sustainable revenue model. However it also needs leadership willing to step up and lead the citizens through this process. This “Eat the Rich” shit is a sham and so 1098 should be voted down.

    I am hoping that soon I will be able to celebrate the failure of 1098 by drinking from a family size bottle of Jack Daniels that I bought at my local Costco ;)

  • Guest

    Cuts? State workers salaries, benefits and pensions.

  • sarah

    I’m kind of skeptical that a wealthy person would be reading and commenting on Publicola. Because, you know, this is a fairly liberal blog, not Forbes magazine. So, Anonymous, I can’t take what you say seriously.

    But if you are indeed wealthy and want things to be fair, I’m sure that you don’t have a tax attorney who helps you get every little deduction and dodge that you are legally entitled to, but instead pay the proportionately miniscule percentage of your income without trying to weasel out of it.

  • Anonymous

    I suspect John, Wake Up, and Democratic are all the same person. Probably Aaron as well. I wonder if he goes around Liking himself too (checks spelling – yes, that’s “liking”).

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    “Fair is fair, in my mind. If someone isn’t chipping in on the cost of something, why can’t they have less voice in how the money is spent?”

    This sounds like an endorsement of the ancient ways of doing things that we called “serfdom” and the “nobility”. That system was rejected in 1776.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    I dare a single person FOR tax cuts to list exactly what departments should see cuts. Don’t say x% of this, or y% of that. Tell us — where departments and programs are frivolous, if we’re wasting money?

  • A.S.

    I’m still trying to figure out how the State budget/spending has increased roughly $2 billion per year over the past few years. Doesn’t anybody else find that a bit “high”?

  • A.S.

    Add up their vacations then over their teaching career. Probably results in an early retirement.

  • Anonymous

    Factoring in inflation and population growth, it’s gone down significantly.

  • A.S.

    How about a compromise. Rather than looking into departments and programs to cut, how about just look at them for any wasteful spending or similar that can be cut out or reduced, without directly cutting the benefits to recipients (in a general sense given the spectrum of programs.) I bet that would help. I think there’s been a fair share of programs and departments that have spent far in excess of their budgets on “non-essential” items, etc since it doesn’t really appear that anybody is actually accountable for a budget or spending anymore.

  • Scellerato

    Is it coincidence that Publicola’s endorsements are align precisely with Sandeep Kaushik’s jobs as a paid spokesman for initiative campaigns? The man must be a genius as a “spiritual advisor.”

  • Andy

    I could read Slog and get exactly the same endorsements and insights….so much for ‘alternative media’ in Seattle.

  • Josh Feit

    Your suspicion is wrong. PubliCola itself is a for-profit small business. And I am responsible for meeting payroll every two weeks. PubliCola, is small, but has, in fact, created a few jobs.

    Also: Yes, everyone at PubliCola has held other jobs in the private sector.

  • Josh Feit

    Read the full disclosure Scellerato. It also says one of our investors contributed to the “No” camp & the other investor’s company contributed to the “No” camp.

    If you’ve got a conspiracy theory about our interests, the fact that our investors and/or their companies don’t align with our editorial position should be acknowledged as well.

  • j_lee

    Slog supports a yes on 1100 vote. Publicola does not.

    And “Alternative” doesn’t mean “opposite.”

  • greggham

    well said

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    You guys are librals! You’ve only ever worked Federal union jobs, admit it!

    (I think that is the response he was expecting.)

  • JD

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Daily-Reckoning/2010/1010/Maryland-s-millionaire-exodus

    Supporting this initiative is a bad idea. One could easily tax luxury items, remove the taxes on beer, pop, cigarettes, rice and beans. All staples of people with poorer incomes. And not create a useless bureaucracy that will creep down the tax lib as they are unable to curb their spending habits.

    I don’t want to fill out a state income tax form or even talk to a state income tax employee.

  • JD

    Cut all the art departments.
    Cut all the social justice units

  • JD

    Why does Gate Sr advertise the property tax cut at 20 percent when it’s effective cut rate to the property tax payer is listed as 4 percent. Seems dishonest.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Name the actual departments and units, please, as I asked.

  • Truth about 1098

    It is not about honesty, it is about politics and winning. They also say the legislature cannot adjust the level of income required to be impacted but as the Seattle Times pointed out this morning that too is false. If this passes tons of small businesses that are a “Sub S” company will be in a competitive disadvantage, jobs will be lost and our economy will take another hit. Don’t be misled. Vote NO on Initiative 1098.

  • Wake Up to Reality

    If you understand business then why not point out the negative impact this will have on the thousands of businesses in Washington State that are organized as a Sub-S Corp. If this passes they will be at a distinct competitive disadvantage because they will be taxed as personal income all the money they annually reinvest in their business. 1098 does not address this issue at all. There will be a ton of jobs lost if this passes.

  • http://wrog.livejournal.com/ wrog

    How about the civil court system that devotes some 90% of its resources to protection of property rights and enforcing contracts?
    Or establishing and tracking mineral/lumber/water/IP/spectrum/cable&telephone-franchise rights? You don’t think the rich get anything out of that?

    As for schools, the rich benefit massively from having other people’s kids be educated and available to provide a pool of skilled labor to hire for their companies — as I say, you can either build schools now or prisons later: your choice.

    As for roads, they may not personally drive more, but being able to cheaply and quickly ship goods from place to place having their employees be able to get to work probably matters a lot for the companies they own or are major stockholders in.

  • http://wrog.livejournal.com/ wrog

    I’m not sure what percent of taxes the wealthy are paying today, but I don’t think I am wrong to say that at the federal level something like 90% of taxes are paid by under 10% of the population.

    Interestingly, most such studies ignore FICA, which is almost entirely paid by low/middle-income folks. Combine this with the fact that upper-income folks have disproportionate shares of their income deriving from investments and eligible for capital gains treatment (flat 15% rate), our federal tax system is actually a lot flatter than people give it credit for. Never mind that back in the 1950s we taxed the shit out of the rich (there was a 90% marginal bracket) and they didn’t seem to have any problem at all providing jobs (as opposed to today).Meanwhile, if state income tax is such an economy killer, you’d think the entertainment industry would have fled LA and California’s (11%!) income tax en masse decades ago. Likewise for the Wall Street folks who put up with both NY state AND CITY income tax.

    Or, if I’m wrong, try this experiment in your company, home owners association, or club. Pick 10% of the people in the room, and put them in charge of paying for all future events. Then give everyone a vote as to whether everyone in the room gets a $100 check. Let me know what happens, and whether or not the 10% agree that the process is fair.

    As long as we’re doing contrived social experiments, try mine: Take the same homeowners association and put the 5 wealthiest people on the executive board — and let’s suppose 3 of them have kids who dream of being Olympic swimmers — then offer the association a really good deal on a $10 million swimming pool complex (the contractor would normally charge $11M but he’s a friend of one of the boardmembers, see…). And we’ll split the cost up so that each of the 1000 members gets a mere $10K tacked onto their association dues — which makes it a particularly good deal for the 3 boardmembers who really want it. That’s obviously fair since everyone will have the same access to the pool and thus should pay the same amount. And it’s such a small amount of money nobody should care anyway.(how does that go again, “privatize profits, socialize losses”…)I’d say my experiment is closer to current reality than yours

  • City Minion

    Everyone in WA state should pay income tax so that people pay taxes commensurate with their income which means they only pay what they can afford to pay. It will also means that WA state can plan for the long-term and not have to make drastic cuts when spending or property values plummet. Without an income tax for everyone, WA state will end up an exclusive playground for the wealthy only and the rest of us will have to move to Kansas or Arkansas. 1098 is a good start but before expanding an income tax to the middle and low income earners, sales tax and property taxes will have to be radically reduced or abolished altogether.

  • http://wrog.livejournal.com/ wrog

    The existence of a tax that is paid no matter what in the current year will not affect the decision to reinvest.

    If my S-corp income is $1M and I’m paying, say, 30% federal tax + 5% state tax on the part over $400K ($30K), then that means I have $670K after taxes to do as I please with. Whether I blow it on a vacation home or reinvest doesn’t change the amount of money I have to play with, the current year tax is still the same. However if I reinvest, that not only increases my likely future revenue (due to expanded capacity — assuming there’s a market out there to consume it, which is the real factor that decides whether I reinvest) but it becomes a deduction against said future revenue — whether due to direct expenditures (which are deductible) or depreciation on capital equipment (which is deductible).Compare this against a vacation home that (1) provides a deduction on at most the interest payments, not the principle, and (2) is guaranteed to generate zero income (and probably a ton of extra expenses), and we see a seriously strong incentive to reinvest if the market is there (and if it isn’t, then I’m not going to reinvest, period; it doesn’t matter what the taxes are). And I find it hard to imagine that $670K reinvestment is going to have that much less of an impact on my business than the $700K it would have been without the state tax.

  • Guest

    Property values have dropped but do you think our property taxes have?

  • Sna

    Departments don’t need to be cut. Labor costs within each department are out of whack. The expensive pensions, the benefits, the lack of termination of poor performers, the automatic pay increases.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. I know my taxes just went down along with my property value. If yours hasn’t yet that probably just means they haven’t reassessed your property value yet (I don’t believe they do it every year).

  • Trevor

    Props to publicola. Wow about its conservative readers/ commenters– who think that high taxes rather than lack of government regulation seem to have caused the current depression we’re in, and who think firing state employees will put America back to work.

  • Anonymous

    Sarah:

    You are correct that I don’t pay much in taxes, primarily because most of my money is in muni bonds, which is not taxed.

    As to why a wealthy person is reading Publicola, I consider myself a fiscal conservative, and a social liberal. Someday, I would like to enter politics, but recognize that Washington can be fairly hostile to anyone with the word ‘conservative’ associated in any form. I do believe that I could make a difference, but with two strikes against me; a fiscal conservative, and shudder, a successful person, I may not have a chance.

  • Anonymous

    Joe, what do you suggest? You must agree that having everyone make the decision, when only a fraction have to pick up the tab, doesn’t work. There has to be some pain associated with spending money, or common sense goes out the window. I do not have the solution for this.

  • Anonymous

    Joe, what do you suggest? You must agree that having everyone make the decision, when only a fraction have to pick up the tab, doesn’t work. There has to be some pain associated with spending money, or common sense goes out the window. I do not have the solution for this.

  • Anonymous

    wrog, Good comments. I would need to go back and do some research, but my gut tells me that whereas the statutory tax rates may have been at 90% of the wealthy, actual collections were much lower. In those days there were huge loopholes through which taxes could be avoided, and there was a great amount of social engineering going on (the government offering tax deductions in return for the wealthy directing money where the politicians felt it should be spent.) It would be interesting to look at actual dollars collected from the wealthy, on a now vs then basis. Perhaps the lower rate, associated with a simplification of the tax codes, and closing of loopholes, resulted in higher collections? I honestly do not know.

    As to the entertainment industry, and california in general, there has been an exodus, and it is hurting the state. California is nearing a fiscal collapse. My own company left california, taking with it many hundreds of jobs, due to the tax rate. I would not consider owning a home there because of the taxes, and have many friends who feel the same way. When I was in vancouver recently I asked the cab driver about the local economy. Cab drivers are not economists, but his response was that vancouver was thriving on the all the tv and movie shows being produced in town.

  • Anonymous

    wrog, Good comments. I would need to go back and do some research, but my gut tells me that whereas the statutory tax rates may have been at 90% of the wealthy, actual collections were much lower. In those days there were huge loopholes through which taxes could be avoided, and there was a great amount of social engineering going on (the government offering tax deductions in return for the wealthy directing money where the politicians felt it should be spent.) It would be interesting to look at actual dollars collected from the wealthy, on a now vs then basis. Perhaps the lower rate, associated with a simplification of the tax codes, and closing of loopholes, resulted in higher collections? I honestly do not know.

    As to the entertainment industry, and california in general, there has been an exodus, and it is hurting the state. California is nearing a fiscal collapse. My own company left california, taking with it many hundreds of jobs, due to the tax rate. I would not consider owning a home there because of the taxes, and have many friends who feel the same way. When I was in vancouver recently I asked the cab driver about the local economy. Cab drivers are not economists, but his response was that vancouver was thriving on the all the tv and movie shows being produced in town.

  • Anonymous

    Trever, I am amongst the conservative readers (or, at least fiscally conservative readers).

    I do NOT believe that tax cuts solve anything. Unfortunately, we have racked up quite a national debt, as well as massive state debts, and huge personal debts. Our society has created a false sense of wealth by borrowing money, that now has to be repaid. There are certainly people who believe that cutting taxes results in higher revenues for the state, but I’d summarize that as wishful thinking.

    The sad truth is that “we borrowed the money, and we need to pay it back.” Currently, we’re not even into payback mode. We are still running deficits. We need to work harder, chip in more, and get our financial house in order.

    I am anti big government, only because big anything tends to mean waste. Organizations that know how to run lean and mean earn my respect, and those that waste money do not. I have no way to support this statement, but honestly believe that at least a third, and probably half of the money being spent by the government is wasted.

    Trimming government waste does not need to mean cutting jobs. My experience has always been that the smarter I ran my business, the more jobs I created. I absolutely guarantee that if the state makes fiscally responsible decisions, more jobs will be created in the long run, than if we fight change because we are afraid of shaking things up.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Doesn’t work in whose history? This is how taxation has worked in this country for what, 100+ years?

    What pain, and why? The point of life and society is to raise everyone up together, to care for the helpless, to lead better lives (not just financially better) than our predecessors, and to leave the world better than we found it.

  • Gomez

    I’m not sure what percent of taxes the wealthy are paying today, but I don’t think I am wrong to say that at the federal level something like 90% of taxes are paid by under 10% of the population.

    Which given the top 10% of the population is holding well over 90% of the nation’s money is actually kind of fair.

  • Gomez

    Except that 90% of the state’s money is being held by 8% of the state’s population, and as long as you keep saying that as an argument I’ll be more than happy to repeat this ad nauseum.

  • Gomez

    Ever hear of inflation, Herr Burr? Maybe the reason spending’s gone up is because costs for goods and services have gone up. Don’t let the flattish consumer price index fool you: Costs for fuel, construction and other infrastructure goods continue to rise every year.

  • Gomez

    When I think of lucrative careers, I think of schoolteachers. Where else can I make 30-40 grand a year to try and educate scores of disinterested kids with minimal resources under a latticework of strict regulations?

  • Gomez

    Why not? Because the idea is that top 1.2% of the population is holding a disproportionate amount of money to the other 98.8%? it’s not really about bitterness, but about “Hey, how about you share some of your growing, unused warchest with the rest of us?”

  • Gomez

    Why not? Because the idea is that top 1.2% of the population is holding a disproportionate amount of money to the other 98.8%? it’s not really about bitterness, but about “Hey, how about you share some of your growing, unused warchest with the rest of us?”

  • Gomez

    … while noting how much governmental good all the tax cuts we’ve seen nationwide in the past decade have done us.

  • Gomez

    … while noting how much governmental good all the tax cuts we’ve seen nationwide in the past decade have done us.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    And again, no one is able to say specifically what to cut there either. Don’t tell me labor costs. Tell me how much we pay in labor and pension now, how they compare to their closest private industry analogies for certain roles, and detail exactly how much to cut and where. I’m sick of people who only spout generalities. Life is built on facts.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    They’ve enriched the wealthy who in turn immediately spread all that released money right back down the food chain to everyone else. Or was that urine trickling, instead?

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    They’ve enriched the wealthy who in turn immediately spread all that released money right back down the food chain to everyone else. Or was that urine trickling, instead?

  • Gomez

    That CS piece is a blog entry with very little concrete information other than a vaguely-referential WSJ quote and a quote from one of the author’s millionaire friends. Not a word about the particulars of the existing tax law, how it was changed, who it affected, who exactly fled and where they fled to, or why they fled to where they (allegedly) fled to.

    There was another similar (except more factually based) article about Connecticut, except Connecticut instituted a flat 5% income tax on everyone (in itself a huge problem given it hits the poor and working class), and then was surprised when that strict tax combined with gross mismanagement of the resulting fiscal surplus bit them in the ass. It doesn’t help that, aside from being a rich man’s oasis, Connecticut doesn’t have a lot going for it as a place to live.

    http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/opinion/what-income-tax-did-connecticut

    1098′s not making that mistake, and as the Publicolans say, the slippery slope of trying to expand the tax to other brackets is political suicide for anyone who dares to try it.

  • Gomez

    I think that one president that had dementia used to call it “trickle down economics”.

  • Gomez

    I think that one president that had dementia used to call it “trickle down economics”.

  • http://wrog.livejournal.com/ wrog

    Cab drivers are not economists, but his response was that Vancouver was thriving on the all the tv and movie shows being produced in town.

    If I’m not mistaken, this would be Vancouver, as in Vancouver, BC, and BC as in British Columbia, which has a provincial income tax that tops out at 14%. Also in California you have to be making more than $1,000,000/year to get the top rate, whereas in BC you only have to be making $99K.

    So I think you’ve just shot your argument in the head.

  • Anonymous

    Ever hear of spending cuts, Señor Gomez? Maybe the reason spending’s gone up is because the loons in Olympia never met a spending program they didn’t like. The fact is, in the real world, when times get tough you have to make hard choices and cut spending. Individuals have to do it, businesses have to do it and state governments need to do it, too. And yes, sometimes that means higher insurance co-pays, a few more kids in each classroom, a few less entitlement programs and other horrible inconveniences. Life is tough.

    VOTE NO ON 1098!!

  • Anonymous

    Wrog, Check out this article in Slate – http://www.slate.com/id/2136064/

    “Even though Canada has spectacular settings, it’s not the production values that film producers go there to find. The lure is, in a single word, money. ”

    Locations that create a business-friendly environment tend to bring in jobs, whereas locations that are hostile to business tend to export jobs.

    Could Boeing have been kept in Washington State if our representatives had aggressively said, “What do we need to do to keep you here?” My guess is yes.

  • Anonymous

    Nonsense and crap.

    The very, very rich has benefitted the most from this system and this society. They should be willing and able to pay a fraction more of their gargantuan earnings and give the other 98% of us a deserved break.

    I own a small business. I-1098 will eliminate my B&O tax, and reduce my real estate taxes on my modest little home by 20%.

    And if I were fortunate enough to be in that top 2% of income earners, I’d GLADLY chip in a bit more to make this state a better place for ALL of us.

    If you make the money that Steve Ballmer and Jeff Bezos makes and refuse to pay just a bit more to help the rest of us, you are, by definition, a greedy, selfish asshole. There’s no way around that reality.

    A fraction more in taxes, from people like Ballmer and Bezos wouldn’t effect their Royal Lifestyles one single bit. They’d still be filthy rich as will their heirs for generations and generations.

    I’m voting for I-1098. I don’t care how much propaganda these guys pay for to try and brainwash the rest of us.

  • Anonymous

    Nonsense and crap.

    The very, very rich has benefitted the most from this system and this society. They should be willing and able to pay a fraction more of their gargantuan earnings and give the other 98% of us a deserved break.

    I own a small business. I-1098 will eliminate my B&O tax, and reduce my real estate taxes on my modest little home by 20%.

    And if I were fortunate enough to be in that top 2% of income earners, I’d GLADLY chip in a bit more to make this state a better place for ALL of us.

    If you make the money that Steve Ballmer and Jeff Bezos makes and refuse to pay just a bit more to help the rest of us, you are, by definition, a greedy, selfish asshole. There’s no way around that reality.

    A fraction more in taxes, from people like Ballmer and Bezos wouldn’t effect their Royal Lifestyles one single bit. They’d still be filthy rich as will their heirs for generations and generations.

    I’m voting for I-1098. I don’t care how much propaganda these guys pay for to try and brainwash the rest of us.

  • Anonymous

    I know. Democracy is so unfair to those rich people who want to make all the rules and tell the rest of us how we should live.

    If you are really rich, then you should also be conscious enough to understand that your wealth is connected to everything around you. If the society around you begins to crumble—as it is literally doing with our bridges and roads—your “wealth” is just numbers on a spreadsheet.

    Your wealth is connected to the labor and spending of every other person in society. You can deny that fact but you can’t change it.

    You have an ethical obligation to give a higher percentage back to the system that helped you (or your older family members) get to where you are today. But it is also in your self-interest to do so.

    You see, ultimately you can’t build walls high enough to shelter yourself from everyone else in this society. You can’t hire enough private guards and you can’t buy off enough politicians.

    In the long run, if everyone outside of your Country Club circle is being hammered, they’re going to notice the man living like a king up on the hill in the big castle. And they’re going to come and get you. That’s what people do when they get hungry, cold and angry.

    Haven’t you rich elitists learned anything from history yet? If you continue to think and act like a selfish pig, your wealth will never be secure.

    Help the rest of us who do the “regular jobs” have good schools, parks, libraries, health care, and a decent, dignified way of life. If you don’t, you’ll eventually suffer like the rest of us. And you won’t be very happy.