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People Don’t Move to Cities Because It’s Easy to Drive There

In a somewhat unhinged column at the PI.com today, Joel Connelly accuses Mayor Mike McGinn of driving Seattle residents to the suburbs. McGinn’s crime? Proposing parking rate increases that would raise meter parking rates (to half of market rate downtown); eliminating an outdated policy of free parking on Sundays (originally intended to benefit people driving to church) and extending meter hours until 8:00 at night; and moving forward with projects like “road diets” and sidewalks.

Connelly, comparing McGinn to George W. Bush (!), foams:

McGinn is not seeking balance, as he claims, but governing to the benefit of a pedal-driven core constituency.

How else to explain a $13 million INCREASE proposed for alternative transportation while everything from parks to libraries to cops face cuts in the next two years? “Road diets” are not being put on a diet.

First, the funding for alternative transportation Connelly’s referring to would come not from the general fund—which pays for all those parks and libraries and cops—but from an increase to the city’s commercial parking tax and a new vehicle license fee. Essentially, drivers would be helping to pay for new bike and pedestrian facilities—a longstanding and largely uncontroversial tradition in which user fees fund infrastructure, like transit, that has widespread benefits to society (see: Sound Transit; the monorail).

Second, the “alternative transportation” Connelly’s so worked up over includes everything from sidewalks to pedestrian lighting to bike trails; road diets are only a tiny sliver of it. Is Connelly, a resident of Seattle’s Madrona neighborhood, opposed to upgrading the city’s crumbling (or nonexistent) sidewalk infrastructure?

And third, “road diets” are not, contrary to what many in the press seem to think, a McGinn creation—they’ve been part of city policy since the 1970s, under then-mayor Wes Uhlman, and accelerated most quickly under McGinn’s predecessor, Greg Nickels.

Mayors and city councils have long considered road diets, AKA center turn lane projects, good policy because they calm traffic, make roads safer for cyclists and pedestrians, and make it easier for cars to turn left, improving traffic flow for everyone.

Additionally, as a blogger from King County Public Health points out on McGinn’s web site today, road diets are good for public health: They reduce crashes, make it easier for people to make healthy choices like walking and biking instead of driving, and increase the number of kids who walk or bike to school, which correlates with lower rates of obesity and diabetes.

None of those facts, of course, exist in Connelly’s world, because he’s so busy worrying that “dining-out customers” who would ordinarily eat downtown will instead drive to “the suburbs or exurbs.”

“The restaurant guy, who feeds a lot of locals on Sunday, will be out their business. Big box stores will get more customers from Seattle neighborhoods.”

This is an insult to Seattle residents. What Connelly’s suggesting, essentially, is that Seattleites can’t tell the difference between, say, Tavolata (or the hundreds of other restaurant choices you’ll find in a dense city) in downtown Seattle and an Olive Garden in Issaquah—or between the mom-and-pop hardware store down the street and a Lowe’s superstore in Northgate.

Not to mention that Connelly apparently thinks Seattle residents are so dumb, they think driving 40 miles to the big-box store—with gas prices above $3 a gallon—is free.

People choose restaurants and stores and bars and movie theaters and clubs based on much more than just cost; if we didn’t, we’d never go out to eat (or eat only at McDonald’s), only listen to music online, use Netflix instead of ever going out to see new movies, and make drinks at home instead of socializing with friends at the neighborhood pub. People are more discerning than Connelly’s simplistic equation—cost defines behavior—suggests.

Of course, it wouldn’t be a Connelly anti-bike column without intimations of social engineering:

Our voters are overwhelming[ly] “green”. They want to leave less of a carbon (or garbage, or plastic) footprint. But there’s going to be a reaction if zealots start throwing obstacles in the path of normal life and using deliberate inconvenience in the cause of behavior modification. Americans CHOOSE to do what’s right.

Sure they do. All those roads and suburbs and cheap parking spaces and mandated parking minimums and streets without sidewalks and cul-de-sacs and big-box stores with massive parking lots? Those are “normal life,” as dictated by the natural order; no one ever made any planning decisions that made them so. Charging $4 an hour for parking, however? THAT’s anti-American social engineering, plain and simple.




  • hikerbikercardriver

    nice job, Erica

  • Anonymous

    And really, there is no cost after 6pm to park on the street so unless we’re gunning for that drive downtown for lunch crowd it’s a non-issue.

  • Mr. X

    Northgate, Westwood Village, and U-Village aren’t 40 miles away.

    Ask a typical Ave merchant what keeps customers away, and the hassle of parking will be one of the top two things they list.

  • Stacy

    Ask a typical Ave merchant what keeps them in business and it’s the hordes of people arriving by foot, bike and bus.

  • Anonymous

    It’s time we brought facts to this discussion, along with the very solid logical points Erica just made. There is a very clear decline in the amount of driving young Americans are doing, and the link provides hard data that proves this point. The car companies are very well aware of this shift and are freaking out about it, because this represents their future income and profits going down the drain as an entire generation realizes 1) they don’t have to or want to drive everywhere, and 2) that driving is not compatible with being connected to their digital devices, which increasingly takes priority over being able to drive.

    I lived in Seattle from 2001-07 (and hope to return someday). I drove my first few years there, but by 2005-06 I realized that the car was more of an obstacle to my urban life than a help. In 2006 I got rid of the car and went carless, helped by living in a walkable, transitable neighborhood (Greenlake) with carsharing services helping fill the occasional gap. Many, many, many of my friends and family in the city of Seattle live similarly, and in fact continue to live in Seattle primarily because they don’t need to have a car to enjoy life.

    Seattle, like the rest of the country, is undergoing a major shift in the way people get around – and consequently in the attitudes used toward transportation options. Not everyone is ready yet to accept that we can have a thriving, prosperous, mobile community without car dependence, without cheap subsidized parking. But the evidence is clear that we can, and that many Seattleites are already moving in this direction.

  • Alphabet Soup

    Perhaps they like Pallino, or Lombardi’s, or Pogacha in Issaquah, or any of the hundreds of other non-chain restaurant options available on the Eastside.

  • Cascadian

    One of the reasons parking is such a hassle is that it’s too cheap. So you get more cars than the available spaces, which means people have to circle around forever or walk several blocks.

    By paying closer to market rates, people will carpool or combine car trips, the number of vehicles for the same amount of shoppers will go down, and the wait to park and the distance from spot to shop go down. You don’t want rates so high that large number of spots go empty throughout the day, but that won’t happen until you exceed market rates. McGinn’s proposal doesn’t do that, so it will actually help improve the parking experience in the city.

  • Mr. X

    Perhaps, and that’s why it’s all restaurants and used clothes stores now instead of the destination/major retail location it used to be.

    Parking matters, and you’re living in a fantasy world if you think otherwise.

  • kurisu

    So what would you tear down to build more parking on the Ave?

  • Anonymous

    You’re so right. A thousand laments for the halcyon days when McDonalds and Tower Records was still on the Ave. Now all it has is shops that college folk would need on a daily basis. It pains me to think of the plight of the UDistrict without destination retail.

  • Joelconnelly

    Wow, this is the best Erica Barnett nut-out that I’ve generated since the futurist column in which I had her leading the assault on the last working enterprise along the Seattle waterfront.
    The fun part: Deranged Barnett columns usually accuse other people of becoming unhinged.

  • takes two

    Nice one, Erica. Joel Connelly seems to be relying on the ‘Keep government out of my medicare’ argument more and more these days.

  • Mr. X

    Straw man, much?

  • Mr. X

    Ever seen the hordes of cars that circle the U-Village parking lot looking for a spot? The lack of immediate availability doesn’t seem to keep them from going there.

    The notion that people will carpool or combine trips in the face of increased parking costs is not borne out by any evidence (at least as far as non-work trips go).

  • Mr. X

    Review the recent post in which BikeNerd tries to generate happy news in the face of the FACT that bicycling has not picked up an iota of mode split in the last 20 years and get back to me on that whole “major shift” thing, OK?

  • BTS

    First off, I’m a huge supporter of bicycling and walking and mass transit. HOWEVER, I’m a realist too. If we make it too hard to park downtown, many people WILL go/stay on the Eastside to shop, eat, work etc. Its a reality. We will be eating Bellevue’s shorts if we don’t have a delicate balance because whether we like it or not, some people have chosen to live on the other side of the pond AKA the Eastside. They aren’t just going to stop living there and move here because we say thats how you have to live now and go sell their cars and buy bicycles. And here’s some news; ‘Eastsiders’ are very important to the Seattle retailers. Just ask them.

  • Mr. X

    To go back to the headline, while people may not move to cities because it’s easy to drive in them, lots and lots of people avoid going there (and spending their money) because it’s hard to.

  • Jay

    “The notion that people will carpool or combine trips in the face of increased parking costs is not borne out by any evidence (at least as far as non-work trips go).”

    Would you like to post the thorough research you did to come to this conclusion? Just because you haven’t seen evidence of it, or are too lazy to look, doesn’t make it so.

  • GHI

    Erica’s premise is that this is about Seattle residents. As the region’s largest city, Seattle is a natural destination for shopping and services. It is myopic to not include the people traveling here from outside the city in your analysis, but then again, this is a myopic and Seattle-centric blog for the most part.

    Seriously though, parking is serious business for our City’s businesses, but we would serve them better by limiting the LENGTH of parking and actually enforcing this, rather than jacking up the price.

    I live in the city and prefer to drive to Southcenter for my annual shopping trip at Macy’s, rather than deal with all the hassle of downtown.

  • Jay

    Yeah, people are going to drive 35 miles round-trip to eat at Pallino in Issaquah instead of forking out an extra dollar for parking. Have you ever seen how full the garages are downtown, even though they charge substantially more than street parking? Even the Market garage gets full on Sundays, at $4 per hour, when parking on the street is free!

  • Jay

    Yeah, people are going to drive 35 miles round-trip to eat at Pallino in Issaquah instead of forking out an extra dollar for parking. Have you ever seen how full the garages are downtown, even though they charge substantially more than street parking? Even the Market garage gets full on Sundays, at $4 per hour, when parking on the street is free!

  • JRF

    Connelly also cites the automobile as essential to family life and questions if any of the 20% of car free households have kids.

    Hm… Let’s see, what is overwhelmingly the largest cause of death for our children… Oh, that’s right, motor vehicle collisions. How is loading up the kids in the thing most likely to kill them good for family life?

    No, having a kid is exactly why I desire to be car free.

  • kurisu

    You of all people should know that in Seattle the mode split is rising. You’ve written as much yourself.

  • kurisu

    You of all people should know that in Seattle the mode split is rising. You’ve written as much yourself.

  • Guest

    I can’t wait ’til Erica squirts out a couple of puppies and has to figure out how to move them about.

  • Guest

    Did you have kids?

  • Guest

    Did you have kids?

  • David Sucher

    Connelly is a funny guy and his heart is in the right place. He can actually be quite bright but he’s getting old and seems to enjoy the role of being a curmudgeon. “Harumph!” I notice other friends (i.e. also “old”) also becoming unhinged about bikes and my only surmise is that my cohort is annoyed that we didn’t think of it when we could enjoy bikes more.

    Yes, Seattle ought to be very bike-friendly (and if you just follow the money it is still all about cars) but I think you exaggerate how effective bikes can be in hilly, rainy, dark Seattle. Realistically, bikes have their role but cold, wet, dark riding is no fun when the marginal cost of driving two miles is negligible. You can tell me that I ought to, but how many of you do? Even in your age group. Some but very few.

    I guess I’d like to see a large city with a similar climate/wealth and see the modal split.

    Btw, the title of your post might be even better as “People Don’t Move to Cities Because it is Easy to _Park_ There.”

  • Mr. X

    For bikes, it’s increasing so little as to be negligible.

  • Mr. X

    And for those who think the cost/convenience of parking is of no concern, I’d suggest you go ask the management at the University Book Store which is/would be better for their business – the existing surface lot, or a new luxury built-to-the-lot-line condo or luxury apartment building. You probably wouldn’t like the answer….

  • Anonymous

    Actually, as Christmas shopping season approaches, I instinctively avoid U-village precisely because of the parking hassle. Unless I’m on bike of course.

    The Q’s my favorite grocery store, but Nov-Dec, I go to Freddies or MetMart instead.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, as Christmas shopping season approaches, I instinctively avoid U-village precisely because of the parking hassle. Unless I’m on bike of course.

    The Q’s my favorite grocery store, but Nov-Dec, I go to Freddies or MetMart instead.

  • Joe

    Maybe I’m just cheap but If parking meeters are $4.00 an hour I will not shop or eat as long in downtown. That will turn over the spots faster. It will also make all the private lots more expensive. It also makes people think twice about going out in downtown when money is tight. I don’t see many people riding bikes at night down town or during the day especailly with children on the nadle bars.

  • Mr. X

    Carpool use is actually falling in Seattle.

  • C Garcia

    I don’t think the increase in the parking fee will impact Seattleites directly, as we do walk/bike/take Metro – but it will affect us indirectly as suburbanites choose to stay in their own neighborhoods rather than deal with the hassle and cost of parking in the city, which would negatively affect businesses and eventually impact jobs and tax revenue.

    A commenter on my blog (http://blog.seattlepi.com/insidebelltown/archives/223160.asp) said maybe the city should impose a bike registration/licensing fee. I think it may be a good idea, especially if folks who bike on the road are required to take a quick test on bike safety.

  • Mr. X

    Not to apologize for McDonalds, but who do you think shopped there while they were on the Ave? Give the kewpie doll to the person who said “college folk.”

  • Kathryn

    I doubt the parking rates will even affect Joel in Madrona. I used to live there, and now am near the Madison Valley ‘restaurant row’. I honestly find a commercial area that is ‘all’ restaurants or ‘all’ nightlife that becomes a destination for drivers for a single purpose — eating or partying — to be inimicable to well balanced commercial districts. I walked to 34th and I walk to Madison — when I eat out on those rare occasions. I’d venture over to Madison more often if it had more of the things I need for my daily life..

    Point is, why do we care about people driving in from the burbs to patronize ‘neighborhood’ commercial areas that are dysfunctional for nearby residents? It’s the lack of a local small hardware store that pushes me to Lowes, not commercial parking rates.

  • Kathryn

    I doubt the parking rates will even affect Joel in Madrona. I used to live there, and now am near the Madison Valley ‘restaurant row’. I honestly find a commercial area that is ‘all’ restaurants or ‘all’ nightlife that becomes a destination for drivers for a single purpose — eating or partying — to be inimicable to well balanced commercial districts. I walked to 34th and I walk to Madison — when I eat out on those rare occasions. I’d venture over to Madison more often if it had more of the things I need for my daily life..

    Point is, why do we care about people driving in from the burbs to patronize ‘neighborhood’ commercial areas that are dysfunctional for nearby residents? It’s the lack of a local small hardware store that pushes me to Lowes, not commercial parking rates.

  • LFR

    Seattle will have higher parking rates than Chicago or NYC … that’s a joke. If you can’t see how that will negatively influence people’s shopping habits you either do not shop much or live in Erica’s Capitol Hill bike-centric bubble world.

    Perception is reality … the first step in driving people to shop in the suburbs is perception that downtown parking is too expensive. That’s already happening. All this talk about “oh it’ll turn the meters over because people won’t stay as long” … no. that will not happen. Weekend/weeknight shopping is supposed to be a leisurely thing, not something you rush through because the meter’s going to expire.

    The disconnect amongst Publicola and reality is gettin wider. Just keep telling yourself that raising parking rates to the highest in the nation won’t have a deleterious effect on people’s shopping and spending habits. I eagerly await your hand-wringing column in the next few years wondering where all the tax money went for bike sharrows and bridge replacements. I’m certain it won’t cross your mind for a second that it all went to Bellevue or Southcenter.

  • Ross

    Then why not push for more centrally located parking garages instead of using street space for parking? I constantly see half empty parking lots everywhere I go in Seattle, surely these can be consolidated without any dreaded ‘inconvenience’ for car drivers?

    And neighborhoods change. It’s a fact of city life. People lamenting about the neighborhoods of yesterday aren’t focusing enough on the present, in my opinion.

  • takes two

    The quick test seems like a reasonable idea, but why the fee? If you cycle and do not have a car, you are already subsidizing car travel and parking. City streets and parking are paid for primarily with property and sales taxes.

    Do you want cyclists to further subsidize auto travel and parking?

  • Into the Future

    So if we totally do away with cars we give up the gas tax income and the license fee income. We can then find ourselves in a position of no funds for road maintenance. We can then force all the delivery trucks and buses to avoid downtown and we won’t have to worry about congestion, safety or transportation conflict. Can’t wait to see the bicycle ambulances taking people to Harborview, the pedal cabs delivering pallets of groceries to Whole Foods and all the long boarders racing through the floors of the abandoned parking garages. Wow, what fun we have in store in the dream world of Mayor McGinn.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SAQ6R2ZBGQQNNBXVJZG66K6KY Mickymse

    This is such a dumb response from people…

    Go over to the SeattlePI.com and look for Bus Chick’s blog — all about being a Mom AND riding public transportation.

    Is Seattle close to perfect transit-wise? Of course not. But I’d like you to go to places like New York or Toronto or London and tell families there that is simply impossible to raise children in dense, urban settings.

  • Ross

    It’s a chicken or the egg proposition though. If there is no infrastructure for safe biking, people don’t bike. I bike regularly but that doesn’t mean that I’m extremely concerned for my well-being on certain roads, and sharrows are a joke. I can totally understand why an otherwise environmentally or health conscious person would avoid biking in Seattle (or any American city for that matter). As long as the infrastructure is a joke, people won’t bike.

    We’ve been building roads and highways for cars only for a 100 years. There is infrastructure, thus people drive. If we had focused on a more diverse (and sustainable) infrastructure from the beginning, we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.

  • takes two

    Whoops, you are quite wrong about the funding of city roads:

    http://www.publicola.net/2010/08/31/we-all-pay-for-the-roads/

  • John

    Why can’t you guys just go out of business already? Seattle Times too. Behind the times in every way.

  • Ross

    Just look at the Scandinavian countries. Some are very cold, some are very hiller. Most cities there have 20% or more of their populations on bikes. Even in the hilly cities.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • sigh

    Or maybe those are just the “maket” for the Ave.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Driving people to the suburbs is exactly what is needed to load-level this region. Overly dense Seattle is the main drag on traffic flow and liveability.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    She actually has a multimodal choice, unlike entire neighborhoods.
    This is the bubble of thought that is Erica’s response, though, people that live in the Seattle that has lots-o-transit dumb to the reality that many people in the transit-light neighborhoods face.

    Unless you work downtown you are SOL in reliable mass transit way out here in the rest of Seattle.

  • Jay

    No one had kids before the car was invented.

  • sigh

    Many may stay (or go to) the ‘burbs where parking is “free”. But you know what? Those ‘burbs are changing. Take Bellevue, for instance. Parking downtown is getting worse (I’m comparing with my time living there in the ’80s). As Bellevue strives to develop density, the amount of parking is decreasing. It’s more of a pain to find a place to park in downtown Bellevue than it is in Seattle (in my opinion). Soon, it’ll be pay parking there too.

    You see, things evolve at all levels. The countryside becomes the burbs which eventually become more urban in nature, some developing into large cities.

    As for license fees/test, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I’ll pay a license fee for my vehicles (all of them, car and bikes) when fees are figured equitably, based on Gross vehicle weight and miles traveled.

    I’ll even take a regular skills/rules of the road/safety test regularly for cycling…as soon as every driver is retested the same way.

  • David Sucher

    Interesting. Thx.
    I’d like to get some more detailed info.

  • Anonymous

    What part of Seattle doesn’t have good transit? Laurelhurst? Madison Park? I grant you that there are parts, but most of the population (major population centers with good transit include downtown, Belltown, U-District, Capitol Hill, much of Southeast Seattle, Ballard, Fremont, Wallingford, Northgate, Queen Anne, First Hill, ID) has decent access to transit that will take them to the major centers with reasonable speed and frequency.

    Again, this argument that we are wrong to increase biking and transit options over SOV use because not EVERYONE can ride a bike or take transit is a red herring. Very few people want to turn every road into a bus and bike-only avenue, but the fact remains that the vast majority of cars on the rode during commuting hours are SOVs.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    Great question, the burbs might also be in the city of Seattle that do not have the mass transit benefits, but are taxed as if they did.
    I live in north Seattle. The “North Gate” transit station is 40 blocks from the city line between us and Shoreline.

    The “benefit” of living in the big city is slowly being sunk by the cost.

  • Anonymous

    They also pay $6-8 a gallon for gas. I guarantee we’d see lower SOV use with those prices.

  • Anonymous

    They also pay $6-8 a gallon for gas. I guarantee we’d see lower SOV use with those prices.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, yes, we’re at the tipping point. All it will take to banish cars from the region will be a few more bike sharrows and higher street parking rates! (Cackling maniacally).

    Do you apologists for the dominance of the SOV ever get tired of trotting out this strawman that the goal is to completely eliminate four-wheeled vehicles everywhere on Earth?

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    Buy a map. Northgate is 40 blocks from Shoreline directly north. It serves plenty of people that park and ride in that lot. They are parking cars, and riding.

    Transit “service” both sucks and blows in north Seattle.
    The sidewalk-less, rain water run-off ditch lined, remarkably bus-light part of Seattle has, coincidentally, has plenty of cars.

    “where do the cars sleep at night” should tell people in to where the transit choices are not so good.

  • McDuff

    This makes zero sense. Are you telling me you do not travel with your kids in the car (or that you reduce your trips with your kids in your car) b/c they are likely to get hurt? That’s pretty insane.

  • Barleywine

    “we would serve them better by limiting the LENGTH of parking”

    I’d leave that for the businesses to decide, because for me the deal-breaker is the two hour limit. I can’t see a movie, eat a meal, go to a museum or wander the sights with a two hour limit.
    I might be able to go to the bathroom with a two hour limit.

    I could buy toothpaste, but like you I shop locally or go to the Landing in Renton, or to Southcenter if I’m going to Costco anyway.

    But the other day I wanted to check out the new SLU park, so I parked for free on Eastlake, near the Zoo, and walked around the lake.

    Nice walk, but the park wasn’t all I expected.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M7ALYCBPKPJ5H3ZBZGXGLGWLWU R

    Bravo, ECB. Nice take down. When I read Connelly’s article I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. His entire argument seems to be premised on the following: 1) Everybody in Seattle drives everywhere. Nobody walks, or takes a cab, or uses transit or a bicycle. 2) Nobody in Seattle lives anywhere near any sort of restaurant, cafe, grocery store, bar, movie theater or shop – we all drive to these locations, and require cheap parking to patronize any sort of local business. If there’s no cheap parking, then, too the barricades! Or to Bellevue! 3) If there is no cheap on-street parking, all businesses will have to immediately shut down for lack of customers (see pts. 1 and 2). 4) Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, parks in the pay lots or garages downtown. Those lots and garages are completely empty, because we Seattleites are cheap, and want a good deal on parking. We all circle endlessly looking for cheap on-street spots. If there are none, see pt. 2.

    Connelly reminds me of my parents, who drive EVERYWHERE in their town. There’s never even a question of doing otherwise. I remember a time when they came to visit, and I suggested we walk to the restaurant for dinner (a mere 5 blocks from my apartment). They looked at me like I had just given birth on the floor in front of them – and I’m a guy. Then I saw them give each other “the look” – an eye roll and smug smile, like “oh…. he’s one of those icky urban car-hating greenies now…” People like Connelly are glued to their cars and their low-density-drive-dependent lifestyles, and they take any changes to be a direct assault on their ‘superior’ lifestyle. Ironic, too, that most of the people who are pro-car/anti-any-other-form-of-transportation are usually the same people who are against density, which lets people live near the places they need for daily life w/o a car… near the grocery store, drug store, dry cleaner, restaurants, bars, etc. The only form of urban life these people can accept is 50′s-style car-dependent-giant-parking-lot-low-density-suburbia. With free parking! Anything else to them is just completely koo-koo Anti-American social(ist) engineering.

  • Anonymous

    This is a reply to Mr Baker, since I can’t reply to his post:

    Buy a map? What’s that supposed to mean?

    If your point is that the northern fringes of Seattle don’t have great transit service, I’ve already granted that point. But you can’t deny that MOST of the population of Seattle is within walking distance of transit. In other words, most of the City has multimodal choices, not just ECB in South Seattle.

    Additionally, I’m pretty sure that the U-District is the second biggest job cluster in Seattle after downtown, and it is also well-served by transit. Other major job centers like Northgate, Ballard, Fremont, Capitol Hill are also reasonably well served.

  • Brent

    I’ve made a lifestyle choice to avoid biking, because I have too many friends who have been brained or killed while riding bikes.

    We can debate which way is the best way to enable people like me who want to ride a bike to feel safe doing so.

    However, saying the sky is falling because the city invests a few thousand dollars in paint makes the bike haters look utterly ridiculous.

  • ivan

    Your distaste for cars is well known, and it warps your causal inference, which the linked article does not support. Teens and 20-somethings are driving less not necessarily because they want to, but because they can’t find JOBS that would support car ownership.

    It’s the economy, stupid. One of the sources in the Ad Age story expounded on that at some length, but the “generational guru” whom you choose to believe is sticking to his *theory,* which the author of the article rightly identified as such.

    You know better than to pass off your fond desires as fact, and I hold you to a higher standard than I do most of the commenters here.

    As far as McGinn’s budget goes, I don’t give a shit if the meter rates go up. There’s little choice but to do that. I do object, with all my might, to the end of free Sunday parking and extending weekday hours to 8 PM. That is an absolute business killer, in the neighborhoods every bit as much as downtown. That is beyond ECB’s narrow, dogmatic comprehension. You can bet I’ll be hitting the City Council hard on that one.

  • seattle

    Last time we went for dinner and a movie at Pacific Place we walked out to an $18 parking bill — and it was the last time we did that downtown.

    Oh — Erica — there is not an Olive Garden in Issaquah.

  • Issaquah is cool too

    FYI:

    There is Red Robin in Issaquah — just the same as the one Downtown on the waterfront — but the parking IS cheaper in Issaquah.

    Issaquah is full of unique, wonderful restaurants — maybe you should check them out sometime before you make obvious elite liberal city assumptions which are wrong as usual.

    We have Bake’s Place with dinner and Jazz music, Coho Cafe, Issaquah Cafe, Pogacha, Jak’s, The Rogue, The Blue Fish. We also have the Village Theater and other cultural venues you elitist city snob!!!!

  • kurisu

    and what is rising? SOV use is falling as well

  • kurisu

    Take a math course. If the number of bicyclists in this city were negligible, you wouldn’t have so many people to bitch about.

  • Mr. X

    3% of work trips, and even an increase to 5% (which would be a nice thing even though it will take years to achieve if ever) is still negligible.

    Fun fact – did you know that city planners had expected SOV use to fall from 59% to 35% between 1990 and 2010? Not gonna happen -not even close.

  • Mr. X

    I have no problem with painting bike lanes – I have a big problem with travel lane removals. The Roosevelt Way/11th bike lane couplet is great. I also enthusiastically support spending more money (in some cases a lot more money) on truly separate bike infrastructure on a case-by-case basis. But even if you do all that, it is highly unlikely that bicycle mode split will rise significantly in Seattle (let alone the region).

  • remember the disabled

    1. Some one please tell Joel it’s time to visit Market Optical?

    2. Some of the older folks have a reason they don’t like to discuss for driving cars. Some older people are obese and have canes and stuff, even at relatively young ages like….60. Of course part of the way they got that way was driving everywhere all their life. But when you tell them you’re all going to WALK 8 blocks to a restaurant, including going up a HILL like one in downtown Seattle or Phinney Ridge or West Seattle….well they’re just out of shape and their minds tell them they can’t do it. They could do it, they might have to walk at only 0.5 miles an hour up that hill, and this might embarrass the hell out of them with the others getting 4 blocks ahead and looking back, etc. It might take them six months to get back into minimally decent shape to simply walk half a mile without huffing and puffing. Anyway, this does underlie part of this debate so I believe anyone writing on this subject who is harsh should disclose their weight and BMI, also how many push ups can they do.

    3. Remember there will always be about 20% truly disabled and true seniors so yes, we should not eliminate the car — they deserve to drive to a restaurant if they live on Alki and want to take you out to Jake’s on top of the Hill…..

  • kurisu

    Sorry Joel, but your hinges were sold for scrap long before the P-I went out of circulation. I was unhappy when that happened but your columns make me recognize just why it did.

  • Anonymous

    Okay, I’ll bite.Weight: 147 lbs.BMI: 20.5 (normal range) Push-ups: ~30 I don’t belong to a health club, but I walk, bus, or ride everywhere. I don’t have to stick to a routine of jogging every morning or going to the gym a certain number of times because I have to exercise as part of daily life–when I go to the post office, library, grocery store, etc. I think this a big problem with our society’s obesity problem. You can live an essentially typical American life without barely moving a muscle.I have relatives who live in Taiwan and Hong Kong and a lot fewer people actively work out (jogging, treadmills etc.) there than in the US. But you hardly ever see obese people there. People walk a lot more in ordinary life.As for the disabled, we certainly should not forget them. The US does a fantastic job accommodating the disabled. I’m sure those who are disabled have some frustrations, but in my travels I have not seen a country that is more accommodating. We need, however, to work to design our cities so that a typical life involves a lot of walking. That means making streets safe, clean, interesting and reasonably dense. It means making it easier to walk or bike, even if it comes at some expense to automobile mobility.

  • Anonymous

    Local roads are paid for with property and sales taxes, not gas taxes. SDOT only gets about 4% of their budget from gas taxes. If you think car drivers are paying for the roads alone, you are sadly mistaken.

    This is not about taking away your car – this is about giving me the choice to use my bike instead of being forced to use my car to go everywhere. When enough options are open I may not even need my car – but that’s my choice.

  • TMN

    The article explicitly said that the shift started well before the recession, so no, it’s not “the economy”, stupid.

    And as someone who fills their car maybe twice a year, I can tell you that a whole lot of people in the upper-middle class, both with and without families, choose to avoid driving because it’s more convenient and cheaper to take public transit. Out of the set of people whose transit choices I know offhand, 1 drives a scooter, 3 drive cars, 1 splits car/bus, 2 walk, and 7 use the bus as their primary. That’s across an age range from 23 to 45-ish. That’s what the Seattle commuter looks like, not your completely fictitious set of young people working mediocre jobs.

  • TMN

    I have a hard time buying that. Purely anecdotal I realize, but the Eastsiders I know who regularly come to Seattle are already putting up with a fairly large hassle getting over here, especially on weekdays, and tend not to care about parking costs at all. They put up with it because 4 square blocks of city-themed amusement park is no substitute for the real thing. Making our downtown more like Bellevue would only lessen the attraction, not increase it.

    The best way to ensure downtown retailers stay in business is to get the light rail to the east side finished ASAP, and in a sensible way (i.e. not the crappy solution that avoids the major city center).

  • TMN

    Only if you try to drive in it. Try taking the bus, it becomes a whole lot more “livable” really quickly, especially around peak times.

  • TMN

    “Ironic, too, that most of the people who are pro-car/anti-any-other-form-of-transportation are usually the same people who are against density, which lets people live near the places they need for daily life w/o a car”

    Well said. There are so few places with real density in this country, and so many faceless suburbs. I have no problem saying that anyone who wants to shift Seattle closer to what Bellevue offers is welcome to never come to Seattle again. It doesn’t have to cater to everybody, especially people like this who often become personally offended at the suggestion that the city isn’t built with their personal preference as the guiding principle. If you don’t like it, there’s plenty of suburb out there for you to enjoy.

  • TMN

    Bully for you. I formally invite you to stay in Issaquah and enjoy your cultural treasures along with the cheap parking you so richly deserve.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    T_Chen, “what part of Seattle doesn’t have good transit?”
    Look at any transit map, look at all of the proposals, there are vast tracts of land in North Seattle that are underserved by mass transit, for that matter, the folks in Shoreline are lumped into the North Seattle zone.
    I live in Seattle, too, I pay those taxes, too.
    You asked a question, I am telling you how to find that answer.
    The urbanites are championing more density in North Seattle, the neighborhood plan from 20 years ago said it was a “danger” to add more density without sidewalks and transit. Absent these other modes Erica is so gleefully championing the folks in North Seattle have lots of cars per household.
    The false choice presented by people that can not be bothered to look at a transit map is a little frustrating.

    I think the city council and the mayor should hold their next public meeting in the north at the Broadview Community Center gym. It is plenty big enough (other than the parking) and let’s see Erica make that meeting, stay the entire time and make is back to civilization.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    Just to answer Erica, the Northgate P&R should clue you in that people do, indeed, move to Seattle so they can ride the bus from Northgate, but getting there is not well served in a way by other bus service that it could supplant autos.
    Until there is a funded plan to do that you will get opposition to your utopia.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    There is a Red Robbin at Northgate Mall, free parking.
    You don’t have to drive out of Seattle find free parking.
    They could Jack the rates up further downtown. I would welcome the better restaurant migration further north.

  • Anonymous

    “Ever seen the hordes of cars that circle the U-Village parking lot looking for a spot?”

    Ever see the hordes of people on Robson street/Granville, in (Downtown) Vancouver? Around both areas parking is much higher than our proposed rates. I repeated have seen on-street parking going for 6 dollars an hour and these just happen to be the most populated shopping destinations that I have ever seen in the Northwest.

    To compound that statement, Seattle (city of = 617,000) and it’s metro area (=4.15 million) have a population much larger than Vancouver (city of =578,000) or it’s metro area (=2.2 million). So, in essence, with less people, less cheap parking, and more accessible public transportation they seem to have way more people packing their city streets on a normal day than we do with Bumbershoot or Seafair. Strange, isn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    Bicycles are no the only means of alternative transportation. Walking and transit are both viable and frequently used modes in Seattle. Do you have numbers on those modes JUST for residents of this city? This does not include suburbanites.

  • Anonymous

    This is a reply to Mr Baker’s more recent post, since I can’t reply to his post:

    Yes, there are vast tracts of LAND, but not vast population centers, without adequate transit service. I’ve been arguing that most PEOPLE, not LAND, have adequate public transit service for commuting in Seattle, not just ECB. I have never argued that EVERYONE can or should ride a bike or take the bus; my point has always been that a lot more people could and should do it, and that our public policy should make it easier to do so, even at the expensive of gradually diminishing the primacy of the automobile. And to underscore a point I have made repeatedly: There is more than enough parking and road capacity for carpoolers, minivans full of kids, disabled persons etc. if only the vast majority of SOV drivers used other options.

  • Anonymous

    This is a reply to Mr Baker’s more recent post, since I can’t reply to his post:

    Yes, there are vast tracts of LAND, but not vast population centers, without adequate transit service. I’ve been arguing that most PEOPLE, not LAND, have adequate public transit service for commuting in Seattle, not just ECB. I have never argued that EVERYONE can or should ride a bike or take the bus; my point has always been that a lot more people could and should do it, and that our public policy should make it easier to do so, even at the expensive of gradually diminishing the primacy of the automobile. And to underscore a point I have made repeatedly: There is more than enough parking and road capacity for carpoolers, minivans full of kids, disabled persons etc. if only the vast majority of SOV drivers used other options.

  • Anonymous

    But part of the experience of going to a unique, destination restaurant is the location. A restaurant in downtown, Capitol Hill, Madison Park, on 45th in Wallingford etc. has a much different (and more appealing to many people) vibe than driving to Northgate Mall, land of football field-size parking lots and big box stores. The former are nice places to stroll before and after dinner; the latter is not.

  • Anonymous

    Pogacha is a chain. There are two in Bellevue, and one in Issaquah eh?

  • JD

    All consumers evaluate parking costs before they shop. And congestion. The downtown is not an appealing place to park. Shoppers go to the market for the experience.

    Has anyone ever evaluated road diets? Why put a road on a diet? Why not just designate it as bicycle preferred rite of passage? Cars make choice on arterial access and access to freeways. Road diets on those avenues aren’t the best choices especially in financially struggling times. When a person struggles financially they spend new money on old bills not on new ideas.

    Doesn’t George Bush Bike?

    I’m all for better biking but none of these effect so far seems practical or cost effective to me.

    As far as pedestrian benefits. Fix the walk signals on Elliott way. Cut the weeds back on overgrown sidewalks. make 6th and Seneca to be not a forever light? Make the viaduct a walkable surface street and diet the cars out to the I-5.

    most importantly raise the gas tax so people actually start thinking about alternatives. Gas is gonna have to be $5 a gallon in the city limits.

  • Anonymous

    I hate to name call so, I will say that you are just not informed. No one is saying that they want to completely do away with ambulances public transport or freight. You are exaggerating because you cannot come up with a substantial argument against striping new bike lanes (which remove bikes from your precious car and keeps them “out of your way”) or raising fees on already heavily subsidized items.

    Also, in proportion to to you, I definitely pay more for roads. I have never owned a car and have paid property taxes and sales tax for quite some time. So, since I use roads much less than you and definitely do not damage the roads as much as you do, should I be complaining about that? No, because I am not a baby and I am not afraid of paying more for essential things.

  • Tim

    It’s a hobo destination. Great economy you’re building there.

  • Tim

    Well get back to us when Seattle has a population of those cities…in about 100 years.

  • Tim

    Coo koo…

  • Tim

    You’re right and they have a life expectancy of 40 too.

    I know you hate to acknowledge this but the automobile is one of those singular inventions that has lifted millions out of poverty in this country through increased productivity, freedom and independence.

    Make an electric one, and it will continue to be the primary choice of transportation for the next 100 years.

  • Tim

    You’re right and they HAD a life expectancy of 40 too.

  • sarah

    That’s not the problem with the Ave. The problem is U Village, which is not going away, and that’s why the Ave isn’t coming back.

  • sarah

    They had wagons and coaches and ways for FAMILIES–more than one adult–to get around. They didn’t use bikes to ferry their kids around.

  • sarah

    They had wagons and coaches and ways for FAMILIES–more than one adult–to get around. They didn’t use bikes to ferry their kids around.

  • sarah

    I’m old. My BMI is fine. I love density; I wish I could sell off part of my lot but the City won’t let me. I live in Lake City where transit isn’t great. I go downtown only to go to meetings of advocacy organizations/do direct service stuff, for neither of which I’m paid, so paying $18 to park is difficult. I get physically sick on a bus so I drive.

    I may not be the only person that doesn’t fit neatly into categories. I hope more such people post, because there’s a lot of ageist comments on here, and comments that seem to indicate that anyone who lives north of the U District doesn’t live in Seattle. Then there are the completely nonsensical comments about how all you need to do to accommodate bikes in a city whose streets were designed for CARS is to paint bike lanes. I don’t care why it was designed for cars; the fact it, is was. I don’t hate bikes, ride them all you want, that’s great. But the streets were not designed for them and we have no money–NO MONEY–to redesign the streets.

  • Mr. X

    At last count (2004 Seattle Comprehensive Plan update), 7% and 18% respectively, but I have seen 2008 numbers that were similar (not sure if they’re from the exact same source though, so I’m not sure if they’re apple-to-apples comparisons). Those figures were 7% and 16% when the Complan was adopted in 1994.

  • Mr. X

    at last count, 67% of Seattle resident get to work by car, 56% of them alone.

  • Barleywine

    “anyone who lives north of the U District doesn’t live in Seattle.”

    Or south of I-90; and I’m old, too.

    I haven’t been on a bike for about seven years, but I love the road diets. One of the best things since sliced meat.

  • Barleywine

    “anyone who lives north of the U District doesn’t live in Seattle.”

    Or south of I-90; and I’m old, too.

    I haven’t been on a bike for about seven years, but I love the road diets. One of the best things since sliced meat.

  • Anonymous

    If the lack of panhandlers and drug dealers isn’t part of the appeal of U-Village then why does U-Village exclude them, as well as Real Change vendors?

    Anyway, I don’t really see the Ave and U-Village as major competitors. They have different niches. The Ave has lots of cheap ethnic restaurants, trinket shops, copy shops, churches, book stores etc. for students and is very pedestrian friendly. U-Village is marketed more to the wealthier and older Laurelhurst shopper, along with other NE Seattle residents. The restaurants are much more expensive, and the retailers are mostly pricier national chains. Some parts are pedestrian friendly, but it is mostly a big parking lot, though it does have some quaint outdoor areas designed to evoke the feeling of a small European cafe alley or something. Also, the complementary umbrellas are a nice touch.

    The lack of free parking is probably one of the reasons the restaurants are more affordable along the Ave. And most students who live there don’t have cars anyway and just walk to the Ave.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. This backs up my point that we have plenty of road and parking capacity for those handicapped folks, delivery trucks and minivans full of kids if more SOV drivers would carpool or take transit.

  • http://www.buildthecity.wordpress.com Chad Newton

    The truly disabled and seniors often cannot, or should not, be driving. Pedestrian-scaled neighborhoods with daily services allow those who cannot drive to continue living independantly.

  • Anonymous

    There’s a cause and effect between automobiles and poverty reduction? I always thought cars were one symptom of affluence, not a cause.

  • Anonymous

    Good point. I would add the elderly in there as well. Many elderly in the US are virtual prisoners in their suburban neighborhoods. Those with a fixed income may not be able to afford a car. And even those with cars often reach a point where they can’t pilot them around safely anymore.

    Contrast that with my experience in Asian cities. In Tokyo, Hong Kong, and Taipei, it is common to see very old persons walking to stores for a small amount of groceries, to restaurants, to the park to socialize, do Tai Chi, or play games with friends. They can still live a full life even without a car.

  • Gomez

    The article is more of the same but the title is an argument that no one is making (well, except maybe by the author as yet another straw man to beat on). It’s “easy” to drive in nearly any city, save for obvious exceptions like SF, NYC and, I suppose, Seattle.

    At the same time, no one moves to a city because it’s hard to drive there. But people will move away if it becomes so.

  • Ross

    That’s a good point that isn’t mentioned enough. If more people bike and take transit, it’ll actually end up benefitting car drivers as well simply because of the reduced traffic.

  • Ross

    There is this thing we call public transit. Tons of people use it. I myself have witnessed entire families (child abuse!) use it just fine. It’s not nearly as dirty, or disgusting, or dangerous, or shameful to use as popular culture in this country suggests it is.

    Having kids does not mean you have to buy a car.

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  • http://grantmcwilliams.com grantmasterflash

    Curious thread and I think people are spending so much time defending their logic that they’re not asking the simple questions.

    If the parking goes to $4 will the streets be empty of cars and if so is it because people have chosen not to go to Seattle or because they chose to park in a parking garage?

    I’m going to assume a few things. 1) People in the city already use mass transit and don’t drive their cars from one parking spot to another. 2) The people parking on the street won’t move their cars to parking garages because they’re even more expensive than the new rates. 3) People coming into the city to shop are really those who this change will effect.

    I live in a burb north of the city so I fit into category 3 so I think I’m qualified to speak on this. I have to decide each time I head to the city whether I want to park in a parking garage, try to find parking on the street or just take the Sounder or ST511 bus. The bus/train will cost me from $5-$8 which is less than parking on the street at the old rate OR parking in a garage. Parking at a P&R in Lynnwood/Everett is free. Another option I’ve employed recently is to park halfway up Queen Anne on the street for free and take the Monorail for $4 round trip. This too is cheaper than parking on the street for a day or parking in a garage.

    So in my case you could change the street parking to $100 a day and it won’t make a difference because it doesn’t make sense at $2.50 let alone at $4. I also think that changing it to $4 a day might convince some people not to park on the street but their spots will be taken by people who are paying even more in parking garages.

    I think raising the rates will force more out of city residents like me to consider transit alternatives but not shoo us away (what’s a couple of bucks anyway when I’m dropping $100 on dinner?) and make people eat/shop closer to home for Seattle residents and/or use transit more effectively. No matter how you look at it the couple of dollars more I’ll spend will not break my bank and will most likely just make me think about taking mass transit more often.

    If we had better mass transit north of the city this would be a non-event.