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Save The Cars On Pike Street!

Recently some folks have been floating around the idea of making certain streets in the Pike/Pine neighborhood off limits to cars during weekend nights. To prove that I am not a fundamentalist car hater, let me say this: It’s a silly idea.

A potential benefit such closures would be the hype and identity that would promote the local night time businesses. But I think what grabs most people’s imaginations is the idea of pedestrians taking the street back from cars. And while that’s a wonderful idea in principle, that doesn’t mean it makes sense to do it everywhere.

One of the likely targets is Pike Street between Broadway and 12th, but the thing is that strip works just fine with cars in it. The striped crosswalks are fairly well respected by drivers. Because there is so much  activity around the street, car speeds tend to be relatively slow. Cars and pedestrians and bikes all coexist to create a healthy urban street energy.

If the cars were removed, however, the space would be much too big, and all that energy would lose its punch because it would become too unfocused and diffuse. Pike is a wide street—about 80 feet from building face to building face—and that’s a formidable swath of empty pavement (check out the photo at the top).

It’s a wonderfully transformative scene when filled with people, as in the photo above on Pike Street during the Capitol Hill Block Party. But under normal conditions there would never be enough people around to activate all that horizontal space between the curbs. And people don’t feel comfortable in large, barren open spaces with no activity. This is why we end up with dead plazas and failed pedestrian malls.

A better way to foster the pedestrian environment on Pike Street would be to narrow down the car travel lanes and widen the sidewalks. As is evident in the photo above, the ~12-foot sidewalk on the south side of Pike doesn’t cut it.* How about we take out the center turn lane and give that space to the sidewalks?

Such a move would reduce car capacity on Pike Street (gasp!)—indeed, it’s a classic example of the inescapable conflict between driving and walking. But if there’s any place in the City where the pedestrian realm should take priority over car capacity, Pike/Pine is it. The “visual friction” created by a narrowed street would keep traffic slow, and make it both safer and more comfortable for pedestrians.

To compliment wider sidewalks, we also need to keep pushing for policy that promotes street life. In typical Seattle fashion, the City has struggled to update obsolete code that restricts sidewalk cafes and street food vending. Why does it have to turn into a multi-year process to do away with the stupid rule that limits street food to hot dogs, pretzels, popcorn, and coffee?  (Psst, hey there “green” Seattle, hot dogs are not exactly the most sustainable choice of food.)

Beyond regulations, there are all kinds of possibilities. In Copenhagen cafe owners give blankets to their patrons and put space heaters out on the sidewalk. In Seattle, rain is an issue, so how about some creative ideas for more extensive weather protection over sidewalks?

So there you have it folks: Car Hater on the record coming out against taking cars off city streets. The Pike/Pine neighborhood is among the Seattle’s best opportunities for creating a flourishing sidewalk cafe culture, but banning cars isn’t going to help us get there, and could, in fact, be counterproductive.

*An aside: Those puny tables squeezed on to the sidewalk came in handy for me and my family the other day because children aren’t allowed to sit inside in the booths at Big Mario’s Pizza due to Seattle’s asinine alcohol rules. When, oh when, will our fair city become civilized?




  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    How about starting small without going nuts?

    What about 4th Avenue between Pike and Pine? Cut the road in half, extend Westlake Park to the east, and move the bus stops east along the new road. Limit 4th Avenue there to be exclusively bus traffic, and that would also let you dump some of the bus traffic off of 1st, 2nd, or 3rd to there, since the removal of 4th there from containing vehicular traffic will lessen the overall car flow on 4th.

    That lets you have a bigger park, more space to license vendors, and bing–public square AND transportation hub all in one go. You lose no parking either, since there isn’t any to begin with.

    As an extra, perhaps close Pine Street between 7am-9pm altogether as it runs past the park and mall.

  • Eric de Place

    Smart post, Dan.

    So here’s a question for you: are there any streets in Seattle you’d close off to cars?

    I’m not saying that we should; I’m just curious, given that you think about this a lot more than the rest of us.

  • Sigh

    OMG – is it opposite day? Dan, aren’t 95% of those cars using Pike filled with single, lazy, horrible people out to destroy your way of life?

    In all seriousness, I agree Pike should be left open and also agree with the road diet. In addition, what about closing one or two of the cross streets connecting Pike and Pine (or Pike and Union), or maybe just going to one lane and extending sidewalks there too, etc. A 10th Ave Promenade across from Cal Anderson perhaps?

    Having grown up in Boulder where we had the Pearl Street Mall (the coolest place ever), cars, bikes, and pedestrians can exist happily together.

  • Anonymous

    3rd Ave should be car free 24/7 with a lane in each direction for buses, bike lanes, and a very wide sidewalks. Make it a pedestrian promenade with street vender’s and the like.

    I think the Pike idea would be much better if we were allowed to take drinks out of bars and buy food from vendors without hot water, but then that would mean treating us like grownups and thats not going to happen anytime soon.

  • Former CH resident

    On Capitol Hill, don’t close Pike or Pine and force Metro to reroute the needed bus service.

    Instead close one of the north/south blocks between Pike and Pine. Those streets (10th or 11th) are narrow enough and short enough that they wouldn’t become the barron under-populated plaza that you correctly argue against.

  • Meinert

    Dan – great ideas. But why not both? We should definitely do your wider sidewalks, more cafe seating, etc. But why not also try to close a few streets to traffic on the weekends. If those streets are filled with something at the same time like outdoor seating, some music, vendors, food carts etc, there wouldn’t be the issues you suggest (and I agree, compression is a necessary thing for community and buzz).

    I personally think if this happens it would need to happen in several areas at once or the hype doing it in one area would draw too many people from other areas. So do it on Pike between broadway & 12th, on 1st in belltown, 1st in pioneer square, and ballard ave. At least try it. Do it a couple of times, measure the effects, and then decide whether or not to keep doing it. In the meantime, let’s also push for your ideas. Smart.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr Baker

    This idea reminds me of the death of Colby Ave in Everett 25 years ago.

    I suggest closing the on-street parking after 6pm along a few blocks. Allow those businesses to expand and cover the entire sidewalk, clearly mark and identify the vacated parking as after-6pm pedestrian traffic only, leave the center turn lane so the slow moving through traffic keeps moving, slow enough for cars and bikes without a bunch of stopping by people looking for parking or to turn left.

    That’s right, I said remove parking (in the evening).

  • Anonymous

    The road diet plan for Nickerson converts 4-lanes to 2-lanes with center turn lane; something to consider when losing a center lane to widen sidewalks is proposed. The most effective sidewalk infrastructure is to widen them at intersections. A parked vehicle at the last spot next to the crosswalk is a “safety hazard” because this completely blocks visibility between pedestrians and motorists. With very long blocks, losing a parking space or two at select points between intersections where sidewalk activity is desired makes the same sort of visible signal to motorists to slow down a-hole.

    I been proposing a road closure at an intersection where a ‘triangular’ island exists, such as along Denny Way, Western and Elliott. In my proposal, a single block of street is closed, the sidewalks recast, and traffic redirected to effectively use less space to navigate turns. The result converts the island into a peninsula with a small but pedestrian-friendly plaza which I dub Ashkeny Plaza (or your girlfriend’s name) Plaza. She’d like that.

  • Jakers

    I like your 3rd avenue idea. They way it is now causes more confusion than its worth for drivers. Making 24/7 no cars would I think actually make it easier on drivers to understand. Down side would be any parking garages that have entrances off that side or vendors that lease on 2nd or 4th that would lose foot traffic to the vendors on 3rd.

  • Jakers

    And we have many service alleys off of major streets that could be used the same way.

  • Wisepunk

    Joe @1

    They shut down Pike years ago like this at westlake park, and I remember the extreme gridlock in the area because of it. In 2000, around Christmas, at 6pm on a week night, it took me 65 minutes to drive around the 5th and Union block. Shutting down traffic in this area has much more of a wider impact due to the centralized location of the area for workers and shoppers. Other locations might work for the road diet idea or the urban park idea, but Pike isn’t one of them IMO.

  • Anonymous

    Good post Dan. While closing Pike St. on weekends was one idea, actually the CHCC has discussed a number of different ideas and ways to leverage the already successful pedestrian environment in that area.I think the main push has been to formally acknowledge the priority of pedestrians along Pike St. between Broadway and 12, as well as side streets of 10th, 11th, and Union. 10th in particular is a high priority as it will be a direct pedestrian connection from the SU campus, through Pike/Pine, through Cal Anderson, and to the new CH Light Rail station, which will presumably have a pedestrian plaza around Denny and Nagle.Knowing the current economic situation, I think there is also an understanding that lower cost solutions are more likely to happen at the current time. Personally, I would suggest the formal designation of the area as a Pedestrian Zone (with signs around the area). This could come along with a lowered speed limit, and the ability to experiment with more pedestrian-friendly laws: Allowing businesses to add seating in the parking strip, loosening up the alcohol laws, easing the ability to close streets (or sections of the streets) for events, more street vendors. The city could then study the area in a smaller, controlled environment and use that to inform smarter policy city wide.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Except I’m not talking about shutting down two majorly huge roads like Pike or Pine, or even 4th Avenue entirely. It would simply shift car traffic on 4th around ONE block, and only car traffic, while pulling multiple bus lines off of adjacent roads (3rd, 2nd, and 1st) onto 4th. At the same time, more cars will be able to go to/from on 4th away from Westlake, since it won’t be a one-way any longer.

  • Meinert

    Here’s what Vancouver BC does on Granville St – http://www.rediscovergranville.com/

  • Reasoned

    Isnt’ this how you get to work, Dan?

  • Judy

    I completely agree that not all roads would benefit from going car-free.

    Pike Place, however, is the most obvious place where closing it to through-traffic and parking to benefit everyone… the pedestrians and the clueless drivers who end up there with sorrowful expressions on their faces. I cannot for the life of me understand why it’s open to traffic. I imagine deliveries could be accommodated without much issue.

    I’d also nominate The Ave in the U-District. In Madison, Wisc, State Street is an identical type of street, shooting out of the University of Wisconsin campus, lined with small restaurants and shops. It’s got a lively college vibe, making it fun to walk and bike down. The big difference is that it’s open only to foot, bike, bus, taxi and delivery traffic.

  • Dan Bertolet

    23rd Ave between Union and Cherry. The fact that I live right off that part has nothing to do with it.

    Pike Place is probably the expected answer, but I think it’s great with cars in it.

    http://hugeasscity.com/2009/02/01/streets-for-people/

    hmm, no other street comes to mind, but I actually haven’t thought about that particular question all that much. Other commenters might have some good ideas.

  • http://bruteforcecollaborative.wordpress.com/ bruteforcecollaborative

    i think that wider sidewalks, narrow streets would be anexcellent idea, the density of capital hill is higher than several cities which have pedestrian zones in wide streets (freiburg, hamburg, copenhagen, koeln, budapest) and would easily be able to support a livable pedestrian zone.

  • Johns

    Wait until we get new trolley buses with batteries, please :) Otherwise we’re going to be forcing diesel-ization of many of the trolley routes every weekend.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BOQRTLVNUYUYCI6EO4JGVOHGV4 Zef

    There are no buses on Pike.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BOQRTLVNUYUYCI6EO4JGVOHGV4 Zef

    Those streets would be good to close, but they do have some important garage access points, plus the Value Village drop-off. What I would prefer is to narrow the street, widen the sidewalk, and make traffic one-way.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BOQRTLVNUYUYCI6EO4JGVOHGV4 Zef

    The Ave is already a wonderful, pedestrian-oriented street. It is practically a transit mall, and the only cars that use it are there to access the businesses. 15th is the main thruway, so the Ave works very well. Removing car access and parking would kill the businesses that already struggle there.

    I have been part of the group pushing for more of a bike and ped focus for Broadway in Capitol Hill. In that case, Broadway is sort of like the Ave in terms of small business and transit, but it is also wider and is more of a thruway. We would really like to see Broadway become more like the Ave, with a narrower roadway, mid-block crossings, and priority given to pedestrians, cyclists, and hopefully the streetcar. Short-term on-street parking is still important, however, let’s keep that in mind.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BOQRTLVNUYUYCI6EO4JGVOHGV4 Zef

    In general our sidewalks are way too small. Broadway, Pike, and 12th all have center turn lanes that serve little practical purpose other than devoting more right-of-way to cars and less to pedestrians. In some neighborhoods that might make more sense but Capitol Hill is a pedestrian-focused neighborhood. Adding more right-of-way to the pedestrian zone would also make it easier to plant trees along barren streets like 12th. Imagine 12th with trees…what a difference it would make.

  • Barb

    I propose that California Ave SW between Genesse and Edmunds at the Alaska Junction be closed to cars (keeping Alaska open to buses and vehicles) in the summer only. Sidewalk cafes should be allowed to spill out into the streets. It would become a citywide destination all summer.

  • tpn

    In other news: Publicola writer take position that municipal water supplies should not be shut off and that sewage systems are “good”; Metro drivers should not work for scrip; and RoundUp does not make good seasoning for fresh vegetables.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Cars on Pike Street! Absurd…what there must be 20 buses and 3 trolleys there.

    I would suggest that Mayor McGinn and the “Nightlife Task Force” hand out Sound Transit Schedules to every bar hopper on the street.

    This will make people sell their cars, and take their bicycles all the way up Cap Hill back to their tiny condos.

  • Gomez

    Their proposed Pike idea is very similar to Las Vegas’ Fremont Street Experience in Downtown Vegas, where they closed a stretch of Fremont to vehicle traffic and turned the street into a public plaza.

    You don’t need a laser-light overhead canopy for this to work, but it only works if the City has concrete intentions for the newly created space as a venue. If it’s just random public space, it’ll be like the Occidental plaza in Pioneer Square, a wide open space that no one other than maybe the bums use.

    I’m with giffy and others who think that narrowing 3rd Avenue and making it bus only 24/7 is a better idea. You’d have to streamline the stops and signal timing, however, because the buses will get clogged up otherwise with only one lane each way… right now they use the 2nd lane each way to pass each other frequently since the stops are staggered.

  • XWalker

    University Ave between 50th and 40th.

  • Punk Ass Bitch

    The Ave is not a nice street to walk along. The sidewalks are narrow enough that two people stopped and holding a conversation are nontrivial to get around. The cars are pretty much under control but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it is a good pedestrian experience.

  • Anonymous

    Downtown Seattle needs its transit system redesigned so desperately, it’s ridiculous. There’s too many buses and not enough at the same time, ie, there’s more people waiting at the curb for a different bus than riding the buses that stop and go half empty. It’s ridiculous. Transit on 1st and 3rd Aves between Mercer and King Streets, even with regular vehicle traffic alongside trolleybuses, could work much better. It wouldn’t require that many trolleybuses to serve this short route at 5-minute intervals.

    String overhead wire for several similarly short east/west trolleybus routes between the waterfront and 1st Ave to Broadway and South Lake Union. Dedicate 2nd and 4th Aves to regional bus lines and locate stops at transfer points, not neglecting transfers to/from the DSTT.

    The point of this design is to create no-wait transit service – when the trolleybus stops, everybody gets on. 1st & 3rd Ave trolleybuses could work well enough to be fareless.

    Reinstall the waterfront streetcar line sans AWV. Build a permanent bridge over the Broad Street RR tracks. Run the streetcar line (and traffic) over it. Turn north on Elliott. Cross Western to 3rd Ave N, then east on Repukelican (the route with the least grade incline) and come to a stop at Seattle Center. Service would be less frequent than the trolleybus, and likely not fareless, but offers a direct transit route to all waterfront venues. Hmmm. Bzzt. Warningwarning! Thoughtsbad Thoughtsbad!

  • Anonymous

    Uhhhhhhh you’re not serious about 23rd, are you? That would be awful, that area is currently so troubled and has relatively few pedestrians, so closing it off to cars would simply leave a several block stretch with hardly any eyes on the street.

  • Barleywine

    “Pike Place is probably the expected answer, but I think it’s great with cars in it.”

    I do, too.
    It’s our version of Lombard Street.

  • Guest

    Yes! the Walk-All-Ways is a good start. It could be so wonderful to sit with your Husky Deli ice-cream cone or your Sugar Rush cupcake, and have a vibrant, landscaped plaza to enjoy, instead of the endless stream of cars, trucks, and buses. And it really wouldn’t be a pain to use 42nd or 44th instead, when you’re driving. Worth it, I’d say!

  • Paul Symington

    Well Dan, as others have pointed out, if you don’t think Pike is a good candidate for closure it begs the question – then what F-ing street in this town would be? I’m so sick of sell-outs all too eager to compromise with the right.

    Your obstruction on this important issue reminds me of something Bob Dylan famously said:

    Your sons and your daughters
    Are beyond your command
    Your old road is
    Rapidly agin’.
    Please get out of the new one
    If you can’t lend your hand
    For the times they are a-changin’

  • Mike Orr

    A road diet and wider sidewalks for Pike sounds good.

    Let’s also move all the Pike/Pine buses onto Pine Street two-way. That avoids the two turns on Bellevue that slow buses down, and puts eastbound buses adjacent to the Westlake multimodal station.

  • Tarn McDaddo

    “Pike Place is probably the expected answer, but I think it’s great with cars in it.”

    Couldn’t agree more, it’s the crazy trail of cars mixing with tourists, locals, bicycles, ice carts, pianos on casters, and one-eyed jacks on Pike Place itself that gives that area its inimitable Seattle-ness. The true center of the City.

    Great piece, I hate to admit it but I agree with every bit of it.