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Does I-1098 Penalize Small Business Owners for Reinvesting in Their Companies?

Local business success story Bartell Drugs is emerging as Exhibit A in an argument against Initiative 1098, the high-earners income tax: The tax proposal—despite the fact that it reduces business and occupation taxes for small businesses (increasing the B&O tax deduction from $420 to $4800)—could include a tax increase on small(ish) businesses like Bartell.

George Bartell, the CEO of the Seattle-based family-owned business, made that argument in an editorial against I-1098 late last week.

I-1098 would impose a five percent income tax on individual income above $200,000 a year and on couples’ income above $400,000 a year. (A secondary nine-percent bracket would apply to individual income over $500,000 a year and couples’ income above $1 million a year).

The initiative, which is popular with progressives, would bring in about $2 billion a year to pay for health and education. And the B&O break would exempt 81 percent of small businesses from B&O taxes.

However, according to the fine print of the measure, it could amount to a double hit on some small business owners.

The text of I-1098 states:

“‘S corporation income’ includes both distributed and undistributed federal taxable income of the S corporation.”

Here’s what that CPA jargon boils down to: Profits of “S Corporations”—an IRS category for businesses with fewer than 100 shareholders (as opposed to C Corporations like Microsoft, which are much larger)—get taxed by the federal government as personal income. That’s true even if the owners don’t put the money into their personal savings accounts, but instead earmark it for reinvestment: A lease on a new location; a new fleet of delivery trucks; a hiring expansion.

Because I-1098 uses the federal guidelines, it also considers S Corp profits to be taxable income. Ding. S Corp owners get hit twice: Once by the feds and once by the state. (Worth noting, however, is the fact that business owners choose S Corp status because they only get taxed on corporate profits, while C Corp owners pay taxes on corporate profits and on dividends.)

S Corp owners complain that I-1098′s corporate-profit-as personal-income model is a disincentive to running a responsible business—i.e., having a positive cash flow. For example, if an S Corp owner makes $200,000 a year and leaves another $200,000 in his business at the end of 2010 for reinvestment in 2011, he has to pay $10,000 in 1098 taxes.  That business owner can never get that money back, critics say, and can only spend $190,000 to grow next year.

Additionally, similar to the initial problem (now fixed) that the initiative ran into with gay rights groups for incorrectly pushing gay couples into 1098 tax bracket even if their joint income didn’t justify it, if a business owner decides to take home a salary of $50,000 and leave $300,000 in the bank for reinvestment, he would get hit with the high-earners income tax.

Of course, it’s unclear how much of a problem that would be for people like George Bartell. The personal income of Bartell’s owners is not public, but we’re guessing it’s more tha $200,000 or $400,000 a year.

Bartell Drugs runs nearly 60 stores in the Puget Sound region.

So, I-1098 takes the money before the owner gets a chance to reinvest. Might as well hold on to your profits instead of earmarking them for expansion if you’re going to owe money to the state regardless, right?

Well. No, say lefty 1098 advocates, including the folks at the Economic Opportunity Institute. EOI Policy Director Marilyn Watkins points out that S Corp.owners can simply deduct the investment from their income for tax purposes in the following tax year and get reimbursed.

Taking a hit up front may very well be worth it down the line. (The point of reinvesting the money is to create bigger profits in the first place.) In fact, I-1098 could be viewed as an incentive to invest instead of increasing your salary and taking that trip to Hawaii.


  • Kieth

    I thought I understood this article until I got to Marilyn Watkins’ point. If you have taken the income and paid the taxes then you have less to reinvest as the article states, right? and, pursuing this further, if you take your money (that you have paid taxes on) and invest it back into your business that is not a writeoff, that’s a capital investment, isn’t it? not an expense. I suspect the writer did not present Watkins’ argument in full.

  • Meinert

    As a progressive, I think we need to start distinguishing anti small business progressives from pro small business progressives. I-1098 is anti small business as it creates yet another new tax on small businesses as you explain. It also qualifies “high wage earners” as people making more than $200,000 per year. Tax on income people earn above $200,000 per year is a tax on the upper middle class. Yes, Upper, but still middle class. So with 1098 so called progressives are pushing a new tax on the upper middle class and small business owners. Bad policy and really poor strategy.

    Tax the real high wage earners, don’t punish the upper middle class, and leave small business owners alone so they can do what they are good at – creating jobs and paying taxes.

    I’m voting no on 1098 because of these issues and am encouraging others to do so as well, but I would have definitely support an income tax on real high wage earners that didn’t also punish S-Corps. Let’s have tax policy that encourages small business reinvestment and expansion.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like George Bartell ain’t in the middle class. Poor George Bartell!

    Conservatives are in a panic over I-1098 because it’s so smartly designed and because it’ll be hard to continue deceiving the middle class about whose interests the conservatives are looking out for. Calling I-1098 a tax on the “upper” middle class is a distortion, because nobody would call someone earning as much as Mr. Bartell “middle class.”

    Conservatives don’t want government to work. Their entire philosophy over the last couple decades (aside from “fight terrorism”, which was a lie in Iraq) has been based on tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, corruption, privatization of government, and exporting of jobs all which have had disastrous effects, especially on the middle class. Deregulation led to the subprime crisis, the BP oil disaster, and corruption of government agencies.

    WA has one of the most regressive tax systems (perhaps the most regressive) in the country. I-1098 is a small step towards fixing that.

  • Worker Bee

    Oh wah, wah wah for the rich people. They may actually have to start paying their way around here

    Time to transfer my prescriptions to Rite-aid. At least they don’t try to act like they give a damn.

  • jjjpl

    Agree with Kieth. Sounds like Marilyn Watkins is saying that if you somehow come up with the cash to pay the 1098 tax AND still reinvest the full amount originally planned, then you get a tax shield the next year.

    But that’s wrong because:
    a) capital investments are depreciated over time
    b) Even if you wrote off 100% of the investment the next year and had no profits, you don’t get a 1098 refund check from the state. Like the article says, it’s gone.
    c) how are you going to come up with the cash?

    The idea that adding a 9% tax is actually an incentive to reinvest as opposed to take a personal trip is nuts. Either way, the state takes the money.

  • Lisa

    Bartell’s is hardly a “small” business, and George’s family will be just fine even after paying a small tax on income over $500,000. Plus they chose S-Corp status because they wanted to keep their business close to their chest. Maybe they don’t repave the tennis courts, no biggie.

    Let’s talk about the good things 1098 does. It dedicates much needed funding to education and health care. It cuts my property taxes. It eliminates my B&O taxes. And the limited income tax only affects the wealthiest 1.2% of Washingtonians (that would be George Bartell). I’m voting YES on 1098.

  • Meinert

    DonaldAllen – did you not read the info Josh posted or my comment? I agree we shouldn’t be cutting taxes on the rich, and am all for not renewing the Bush tax cuts. This tax isn’t about reversing years of conservative tax policy. I wish it was. It might be intended as such and I support that sentiment. The 1098 folks had the chance to write and pass a great initiative raising taxes on just the super high income earners. Unfortunately they screwed up. They should withdraw 1098 and bring it back when it’s right. Until then a lot of progressive small business owners and staff will oppose it.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    I-1098 is a property tax cut for the super elite.

    The productive people who make money off the sweat of their brow, and small business owners are being taxed like never before, to fund the gentry and the landed.

  • misha

    Oh, please. Even the people you categorize as “upper middle class” will pay a percentage point or two of their income, and their property taxes and business and occupation taxes will go down.

    You are voting against I-1098 because it will take a couple bucks out of your pocket. Just like you’re pushing for the Chihuly museum on public land so a few more tourists will buy eggs at your nearby cafe, and just like you pushed for panhandling laws so you would get Bellevue daytrippers’ money instead of the homeless.

    I’m voting for I-1098 because I value healthcare and education more than a slightly larger third house for Dave Meinert.

  • misha

    And you really don’t get to keep calling yourself a “progressive” when you consistently take public conservative positions against important progressive issues.

  • Meinert

    Misha – you don’t know me, and you are simply incorrect. I don’t own two houses going on three. Hardly. And I support the Chihuly museum because it is the best policy choice for the Seattle Center given current budget realities. I honestly don’t think glass museum owners will visit a dive like the 5 Point. I do think we should continue subsidizing arts programs at Seattle Center and know it will be difficult to do so without the Center getting more income – budget cuts there are already leading to programming cuts. And if you lived in, or worked in Belltown, you might have a different opinion on the aggressive solicitation ordinance (though I agree it had some concerning flaws, and I think it was at least reasonable to be opposed to it).

    I agree with you that we need taxes to support education and healthcare. (Though I also believe we need healtcare reform to lower healthcare costs, not just more money to throw at big businesses in the healthcare sector.) But check out 1098 thoroughly. If you want the state to have more jobs, and get more revenue, be careful which taxes are raised. There are different ways to get more revenue, raising taxes isn’t always the right way. Consider the “bridging the gap” property tax that has fallen short due to an economic downturn. Now the argument becomes that because of the economic downturn we need even higher taxes because revenue has fallen short. This would be like me arguing that because the economy is suffering and my sales are down, I should raise prices at the 5 Point to generate more income. Silly argument that denies reality. What I should do is lower prices to create more sales. And cut budgets. Possibly raise certain prices on higher end items whose purchasers will pay the higher price. But that is strategic tax thinking, something the left is typically very poor at.

  • ivan

    For once I’m with Misha. I’m not at all impressed with your argument. You’re painting a worst-case scenario that is hardly guaranteed. This tax won’t kill you. You’ll adapt like everyone else, and you’ll make out just fine. Quit your whining.

  • Curlove

    Weak self-serving argument. Suck it up and kick down some duckets for education and healthcare. 1098 is not going to wipe out your margin and not allow you to expand your business. This is a once in a generation opportunity to make our tax system more equitable. Don’t let perfection be the enemy of the good.

  • Bartender

    You can speak for your posse of club owning budding but don’t speak for your staff.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    I don’t see why a property tax reduction has to be linked to what is basically an opening move on putting us all under an income tax (it’s so obvious it hurts).

    Take out the property tax reduction entirely and make that another issue.

    Oh, and what an issue it is…so big an issue, they may wish they never opened that can of worms. For example, I read here:

    Washington State Property Valuation Requirements

    Washington state law requires assessors to value property at 100 percent of its true and fair market value in money, according to the highest and best use of the property. The property tax is imposed on the assessed value of the property. All real and personal property is subject to tax unless specifically exempted by law. Certain qualified lands (agricultural, open space, and timber lands) may be valued and assessed on the basis of their current use, which may be less than their highest and best use. Application must be made for current use classification.

    http://www.clallam.net/taxes/property_taxes.html

    Well, holy moly. Are you telling me that all that land that’s sitting empty, next to subdivisions crammed with $350,000 homes is being “fairly valued”? I mean, couldn’t you put the same number of houses on the the 3 acre property of the guy right next store?

    And what about Intellectual Property? Are we fairly taxing all the patents and copyrights that have built up in Washington State over the past decades?

    I’m all for fairness — but it seems to me certain parties are getting a huge free ride on taxes, and yet, since they seem to have run out of ice for their gin and tonics, they now feel like they have to come after the little fishes with their drift nets.

  • sarah

    $200,000 a year per individual is not middle class. Period. George Bartell is not a middle-class businessman. Washington State is one of only 7 states in the nation that doesn’t have an income tax on everyone. Instituting one on people who make 100 times what a janitor makes is pretty minimal. As far as reinvesting in companies–i.e., creating jobs–that’s not happening now; we’re losing jobs, not gaining them, and we know why: shareholders and CEOs are keeping the money.

    Strange that low-income and truly middle-class people aren’t complaining about 1098.

  • gloomy gus

    I am voting yes on 1098 because of these issues and am encouraging small business owners to invest in a decent tax attorney to calm them the heck down.

  • Meinert

    Someone should look at how much the average small business owner generates in sales and B&O tax and pays in income tax. To suggest that small business owners should pay more, instead of being able to reinvest that in their business to keep or hire more employees and generate even more tax is naive at best.

    I’m not arguing against high wage earners paying more in income tax. I’m arguing against a new tax on local small businesses that doesn’t also add a new tax on out of state small businesses, when that money is reinvested and not taken as income. If it is taken as income, I’m ok with a tax on it at the higher levels. For some reasons, the extremely wealthy seem to love this tax. I wonder why? See John Bailo’s comment below.

  • Meinert

    Sarah – small businesses in this state ARE creating jobs. And at S-Corps and LLC’s, the small businesses that are getting hit by this tax, there are not CEO’s and shareholders. You want to raise the taxes on big business CEO’s, go right ahead. You want to tax the high wage earnings of small business owners after a certain level, I agree. You want to take money from small businesses that want to save it for cash flow so they have money to repair their equipment, pay their payroll during tough months, or expand in the next year, I don’t think that’s good tax policy. I am not sure many of the people who support 1098 think it’s good tax policy. In fact I know some of the people working on the pro-1098 campaign are really bummed that the small business tax issue exists, as they didn’t realize is was there. The argument for 1098 is quickly becoming that we “shouldn’t let perfection be the enemy of the good” instead of that it’s actually a good way to fix the state’s revenue problems.

  • sarah

    Meinert, small businesses will benefit from 1098. Read it.

  • Minnie

    Dave, I call myself center left because I am very pro small business. I have run small businesses (LLCs) in the past and plan to start another this year. I support this tax, as it lower B&O taxes and seem like a wash (I’ll have to ask my accountant). Sorry, I don’t see you as “progressive.” You’re to the right of me which would put you squarely in the middle of the road by Seattle standards and middle left by the rest of the nations standards.

  • Anonymous

    Less than 3% of people in the US make more than 200k a year. That is not middle class by any stretch of the imagination
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

    And really you can always convert to C status if paying an extra few percent on profits over 200k is a big deal.

  • Anonymous

    B&O is on gross receipts. And if the money is reinvested that generates a deduction. So you have a million in receipts from a service business and lets even give you a 25% profit margin. You would pay 18k in B&O. Post 1098 you get an 8,200 credit leaving about 10k. 5% of 50k is 2,500 so net you save a little under 6k a year.

  • Anonymous

    Probably not with rezoning. But assuming the same zoning, yeah it often is, thats why farms are protected because farmers were going under due to property tax spikes as people moved in next door.

    IP is intangible personal property and is exempt as is persona property not used in a business.

  • Trevor

    Josh you missed the real story here. The story is that the argument you describe above is part of a systematic effort by the No on I-1098 campaign to 1) flip the script on I-1098 from “it taxes high incomes” to “it hurts small businesses”; and 2) scare small business owners into voting no on an initiative that will eliminate the B&O tax for 81% of all business owners, and reduce the B&O tax for an additional 12%.

    Here is the EOI report on this from over 2 months ago that it doesn’t seem that you have read: http://washingtonpolicywatch.org/2010/06/22/initiative-1098-will-business-owners-pay-state-income-tax-updated/

    So yeah, the No on 1098 campaign strategy deserves attention. But you just took the bait without even doing your due diligence, and didn’t show that there’s a debate going on about what constitutes a “small business” and about how many businesses will actually be subject to the taxation you describe above (EOI estimates that it will be be less than 10% of all S Corps, and maybe as low as 1.5%).

    Oh and George Bartell’s 60 stores count as a “small(ish)” business? What the hell does that even mean?

    This is the first time in 37 years that an income tax has been on the ballot in WA state. It would be nice if your reporting could do more than simply restate the argument of an op-ed you read somewhere.

  • Jjjpl

    I love how all the “progressives” here are more than happy to tax those who earn more for their own personal benefit (education, tax cuts), but don’t think it’s fair to pay themselves to benefit those making even less. That’s really progressive of you.

    I’m sure someone will now link to EOI (1098 campaign chair) or ITEP (research arm of a labor lobbying firm)who will say that the poor pay 17% of their $11,000 income in taxes (14% of it in sales/excise). That implies they buy $15,000 of taxable goods every year. With no tax on food, shelter or medical, that statistic is clearly bogus. This lobbying group says every state is terribly unfair, including Vermont, which scores the best in their study.

    And can someone please explain all the venom toward Bartell’s? They are the model for a responsible, local, family owned business that is good for Washington. If 1098 forces them to sell to Rite-Aid, does anybody really think that’s good for our state? Read his op-ed before you bash him.

    Step back from the ideology for just a moment and listen to business owners who are telling you that 1098 has a serious problem with respect to taxing money left in a business for reinvestment. Listening to zealots (left or right) won’t make you smarter on the issues.

  • gloomy gus

    Jjjpl, that’s not convincing. It’s gently inflammatory, so if that’s what you were aiming for, well done.

  • Jjjpl

    What in particular is misleading?

  • http://43rddemocrats.org Michael M.

    I’m not going to pretend to be a super smart tax guy, but don’t S Corps get to deduct state income taxes off of their federal taxes?

    Overall, I don’t buy the argument that possibly paying a little more in taxes is going to greatly affect reinvestment. That’s especially true when we’re talking about profits, not gross revenue. So if the 5 point profits $500k one year, Meinert has to pay $5,000.00 in taxes on that profit. He may decide to not reinvest in the 5-point (why would anyone want to, though? That would take away from its charm), but most smallish business owners I know aren’t going to allow 1% of their profits determine their reinvestment. That’s just bad business.

  • gloomy gus

    Yeah, I shoulda itemized earlier, but a bagel called to me right then:

    Para 1) deliberately mischaracterizes motives of progressive taxation.

    Para 2) smears motives of 1098 proponents, who at least made the effort to study it, unlike opponents who prefer to generalize and cast doubts (hello!):

    Para 3) Pretends opposition to George’s half-cocked writing is “venom toward Bartell’s” and “bashing”.

    Para 4) Pretends proponents are driven by ideology and fakes a balance in order to call proponents zealots and pretend you aren’t a grind.
    Whew.

  • Trevor

    Same discussion, different venue. jjjpl, or jjpl, and I have had this debate elsewhere, at SeattlePI.com: http://blog.seattlepi.com/trevorgriffey/archives/216216.asp

    But the fact of the matter is that Josh presents one side of a contested story. Sorry if my describing the other side of that story ruffles your feathers, jjjpl.

    And I have zero venom toward Bartell’s. The no campaign is trying to redefine “small business” to be any independent businessperson, no matter how wealthy, regardless of the fact that they are really only talking about the top 2% of business owners in the state. Josh bought into this misdirection instead of highlighting the No campaign’s tactics. I highlighted the lameness of Josh calling Bartell’s “small(ish)” not because I have anything against Bartell’s, but to show how distorted and convoluted the argument that I-1098 hurts small businesses really is.

  • Jjjpl

    ok.

    1) I thought progressive taxation was “the more you earn, the higher the rate.” 1098 is mob rule. Why not start the tax at $20K or $50K or $100K? The next closest state to 1098′s $200K is CT ($13K).

    2) Agreed. I don’t think the motives of 1098 proponents are entirely geniune. I honestly believe that 1098 is a mechanism to get an income tax on the books for everyone. I’m not saying that this is a bad policy, I’m just saying it’s a disingenuous way to go about it. I personally did my own homework to understand 1098, and I think it’s bad policy.

    In 2002, proponents wanted an income tax on everyone. Didn’t fly. Last year, EOI was proposing a tax that started at $100K. Didn’t poll well. They say education is the most important thing, yet they carve 30% off for the healthcare unions. They say this will cut property taxes by 20% when it’s really 4% and that it will exempt 80% of businesses from B&O when ~50% are already exempt. They say our system is terribly unfair, but their only source has a clear agenda and says every state is unfair. They say that the legislature can’t change this, but our constitution says they can after 2 years. They say the money is dedicated, but the legislature can pull from the dedicated funds anytime they want (and have pulled $1.5B from them into the general fund since 2008). Those are a few specific reasons why I question their motives and their analyses.

    3) Just reacting to Trevor’s comments and others talking about how rich the Bartell family is. Didn’t see anyone who pretended to understand the drugstore business say, “George is wrong.”

    4) fair comment (except the grind part). Josh tried to write about a complex topic and people started ranting against the rich. That bums me out.

  • Trevor

    How about the fact that you probably work for the No on I-1098 campaign and use a pseudonym to hide your identity? Prove me wrong.

  • Gomez

    Memo to George Bartell: With dozens of lucrative locations all over the region, your business isn’t exactly small, even if technically it might qualify as a small business.

    If you make enough money to fall into this tiny economic crack, I’d love to have your problems.

  • nos. on table pls.

    notice how not ONE comment opposing this tax actually reveals how much the commenter makes and how much they’d pay in the tax. Dear high earner tax opponents: pls. tell usyour income, how much you’d pay in taxes, the value of you home, (and also pls. tell us the cost of your private school tuition, and the value of your second or third homes in sun valley and maui also your sailboat annualized costs, ok? if the shoe fits) then we’d be glad to consider your hardship pleas about how if we have a income tax that’s less than what most states have you’re going to suffer. Okay?

    put the numbers on the table, we are all ears. How much you make, and what will you have to pay?

  • Meinert

    Trevor – you’re correct that the anti-1098 folks are using the small business tax issue as a way to get people to turn against the initiative. But this doesn’t mean they are necessarily incorrect. Another way to look at itis that the 1098 folks screwed up on writing this initiative. Their first screw up was related to taxing domestic partners as individuals, thus discriminating against same sex partners, and second, applying what is supposedly an income tax on high wage earners to small business profits not taken as income. Seems to me that if the authors of this bill were smart and progressive they would have caught these issues up front. They didn’t, and now they need to deal with the one they didn’t – an unintended tax on small businesses. It’s a bummer because I don’t oppose a high wage earner income tax. But we need the to authors to be a little better than this.

  • LKP writes

    Earlier this year, Bartells stopped filling prescriptions for patients with Medicaid because they couldn’t make enough money doing so anymore. Funny thing is, Medicaid is a program administered by the state. Maybe if George Bartell supported 1098, the state would have enough money to better fund Medicaid (ie, health) and he could have his staff do their jobs and dispense medications to the poor in our state again. Sort of ironic, huh?

  • http://43rddemocrats.org Michael M.

    You said:

    “But we need the to authors to be a little better than this.”

    I giggled.

  • you own the pockets…

    is it not true that money left in the small business and not taken as income in year one can, in year two, be taken out as income? IOW it’s not reinvested till it’s actually spent on a new clover machine for $5K right? till then whether it’s in the business entity’s account or in your personal account, it’s just money sitting in your pocket? I mean you own the small business no one’s going to tell you you can’t change your mind, right?

  • http://twitter.com/uwruckus UW Ruckus

    Of course George Bartell creates jobs…jobs in Southeast Asia manufacturing crappy goods while giving the workers a few dollars a day and cancer, while destroying America’s manufacturing base and putting mom & pop shops out of business.

  • Meinert

    I’ll try to work on my English skill here….

    A small businesses bank account is not just the owners personal account. It’s a business bank account. I might leave the money in to expand in the next year, as a cushion for cash flow, etc. Yes I can change my mind and just take it as income, but it’s not income to me until I pay myself with it. If it’s then taxed as income, fine. But until then let the business use it to reinvest and don’t tax it, because that reinvestment creates local jobs and more local taxes.

  • Kdwest

    Good point….And so it goes……Wonder how much Bartell really makes???? Seems it would pay to reinvest into the his business and hire more people. Suggest he use his money that way; and if not pay the tax and help the state, medicaid, and WA citizenry. Since when was Bartell Drugs chain is “a small business”? Small is under $250,000 in my book. We should protest this article by not buying from them until after the election. See if they notice our impact?

  • Trevor

    Dave, I really want to recommend that you reconsider your opposition to this initiative if you support a high wage earner income tax. This kind of opportunity does not come around often, and unless you want to wait another 40 years for this issue to come up again, you might want to take a second look at just how much it’s going to really cost you.

    Also I hope you appreciate that the way you’re framing your opposition to I-1098 is, though well-intentioned, still misleading. You’re still using the No campaign’s script that increasing taxes the wealthiest 1.5 to 5% of all business owners will hurt ALL “small businesses,” when the fact is that I-1098 WILL HELP ALMOST ALL SMALL BUSINESSES.

  • Lxtkn1989

    Um… Last I checked you got a dollar for dollar reduction on Federal Taxes for State taxes… Doesn’t that sort of invalidate the whole “double taxed” thing

  • an accountant

    You get a dollar for dollar reduction in federal taxable income for state income taxes. I-1098 is technically an excise tax and not an income tax. Therefore, no federal deduction will be allowed.

  • an accountant

    Oops. I spoke too soon and was wrong.

    You can deduct the I-1098 tax for federal purposes. However, those who are subject to I-1098 would need to choose between deducting the I-1098 tax or deducting the sales tax.

  • Jjjpl

    Trevor,

    You are, likewise, simply repeating the pro campaign’s script. Nobody says this will hurt all small businesses.

    -1098 will cut everyone’s property tax bill by 4%

    -1098 will cut B&O an average of $1,600 for 27% of businesses (the rest of the “80%” are already exempt). The max credit is $4,800.

    -1098 will tax a small percentage of business owners (small, medium, and large) at a top marginal rate of 9% whether they take the money home or leave it in the business, and before they can reinvest it.

    There are all sorts of questions about fairness, education, healthcare, tax policy, etc. The business question is this:

    Is 1098 “good for business?”

    If you’re part of the 27% that gets a $1,600 cut, then yes.
    If you’re part of the 5-10% that will have to pay an income tax, then no.

    I’m pretty sure the latter group pays more wages and has a bigger economic impact than the former.

    And the legislature can implement a tax any time they wish. They just raised $800 million.

  • Meinert

    Trevor, As a supporter of this tax did intentionally want to tax small businesses?

    People earning $225,000 who have a business profit of $50,000 are not the wealthiest people we need to tax. Tax the real wealthy, and the big corporations, not the mildly successful small business owners. There is a massive difference between that person and the $1 million plus CEO’s.

  • Out of Stater

    A possibly relevant comment on taxes from California:

    I used to think every complaint from small business about taxes was just whining. And 20 years ago — the last time I checked comparative business tax rates — maybe that was true.

    But today, the U.S. has the highest corporate tax rate on the planet, after Japan. It’s 39.2%. Startups in Silicon Valley actually pay the highest on earth — 40.7% state and fed combined.

    Meanwhile, for exactly 18 of the last 25 years, almost every nation in Europe and the OECD have consistently lowered corporate tax rates, which encourged startup business growth and, because marginal income was thus more likely put to productive rather than leisure use and greater output resulted, tax revenues as a percentage of GDP doubled.

    Today tax rates of U.S. businesses are 50% higher than the OECD nations.

    Does it perhaps help explain why Germany has much lower unemployment than we do, and along with other incentives, why that country has created tens of thousands of cleantech jobs and we haven’t?

    I’ve been on the left all my life. But since small business startups are the sole source of net job growth in the U.S., maybe we ought to learn how to distinguish better in our tax policies between the Microsoft’s of this world and small business.

    I fail to see how it is anything but progressive for more jobs to be created so people can feed their families and stay in their homes.

  • Out of Stater

    Btw, here’s the source for my statement that small business startups are the sole source of new job growth — and therefore must be nurtured and encouraged.

    It’s brand new research from the Kauffman Foundation:

    http://www.kauffman.org/newsroom/u-s-job-growth-driven-entirely-by-startups.aspx

  • Meinert

    Just so we are talking about the same thing when discussing small businesses, a small business is not just a micro business like a hot dog stand or a small retailer with the owner and one employee, the Small Business Association definition of a small business is:

    To qualify as a small business concern for most SBA programs, small business size standards define the maximum size that a firm, including all of its affiliates, may be. The SBA has established two widely used size standards – 500 employees for most manufacturing and mining industries and $7.0 million in average annual receipts for most nonmanufacturing industries. However, many exceptions exist. For the applicable size standard, see the SBA’s Small Business Size Regulations, 13 CFR §121 or the Table of Small Business Size Standards matched to NAICS industries for which SBA has established standards. The general range of size standards by industry division follows:

    Construction – General building and heavy construction contractors have a size standard of $33.5 million in average annual receipts. Special trade construction contractors have a size standard of $14.0 million. The size standard for Land Subdivision is $7.0 million in average annual receipts. The size standard for Dredging is $20.0 million in average annual receipts.
    Manufacturing – For approximately 75 percent of the manufacturing industries, the size standard is 500 employees. A small number have a 1,500 employee size standard and the balance have a size standard of either 750 or 1,000 employees.

    Mining – All mining industries, except mining services, have a size standard of 500 employees.

    Retail Trade – The size standard for most retail trade industries is $7.0 million in average annual receipts. A few, such as grocery stores, department stores, motor vehicle dealers and electrical appliance dealers, have higher size standards. None are above $29.0 million.

    Services – For the service industries, the most common size standard is $7.0 million in average annual receipts. Computer programming, data processing and systems design have a size standard of $25.0 million. Engineering and architectural services have different size standards, as do a few other service industries. The highest annual receipts
    size standard in any service industry is $35.5 million. Research and development and environmental remediation services are the only service industries with size standards stated in number of employees.

    Wholesale Trade – For all wholesale trade industries, a size standard of 100 employees is applicable for loans and other financial programs. When acting as a dealer on Federal contracts set aside for small business or issued under the 8(a) program, the size standard is 500 employees and the firm must deliver the product of a small domestic manufacturer, as set forth in SBA’s nonmanufacturer rule, unless waived by the SBA for a particular class of product. However, for those procurements made under the Simplified Acquisition Procedures of the FAR and where the purchase does not exceed $25,000, the nonmanufacturer may deliver the goods of any domestic manufacturer.

  • Dave

    Really? That’s not what the polls are showing. We have a household income of $130k. I know we’ll be next.

    Vote no, kick the camel put of the tent.

  • Fredb786

    There is no tax on the $200,000. The tax starts on the first dollar above $200,000 and it amounts to what, a penny at that point. I think that is fair as the entry level to high income folks.

  • Minnie

    I often earn more than 100K per year and most certainly would not mind paying higher taxes on anything above that point. It seems fair. Also, I would not really benefit from the increased taxes. I have not kids… And I don’t call myself progressive.

  • http://twitter.com/Patrick_Pierce Patrick Pierce

    I’m voting NO because there is no guarantee that the money raised for education will not be swept into the general account when there is a budget crisis. Thye swept the Education Legacy Account last biennium and I imagine they will again with future deficits looming and a new stream of $$$.

  • Lordkoos

    No, you don’t know that you’ll be next. Your remarks are classic scare tactics like those used by the NRA every time someone suggests background checks for gun purchases.

    The WA sales tax is super regressive and needs to be replaced by a fairly structured income tax. And state income taxes can be deducted from your federal taxes.

  • Lordkoos

    The corporate tax rate is routinely avoided by corporations moving offshore, Halliburton in Dubai, for example.

  • Anc

    How would someone go about doing that?!?!

  • Meinert

    State INCOME taxes can be deducted from your federal from my understanding. But 1098 is actually an excise tax and as such can’t be. It’s also a small business tax on money that is already taxed by B&O tax and the federal income tax. And in other states with an income tax we’ve seen exactly what Dave is suggesting – rate and margin creep. So why not think it’ll happen here? And, this income tax isn’t reducing the sales tax. In fact, an increase in the sales tax will also be on the ballot in King County. Are you for that too even though it’s totally regressive?

  • sarah

    Raised $800 million? That came from the feds and will go toward health care, and the economic situation has gotten so much worse recently that that $800 million is now pretty much gone.

    We institute law several ways here: by legislation, and by initiatives. This will be by initiative. If you have a problem with that, try to stop initiatives. That would be fine with me; this is the only one that will actually benefit real people I’ve seen, ever.

  • Anonymous

    I realize how compelling this looks, especially when you think of fatcats hoarding their money, how we will “save” on property taxes, and see the loaded grandfather figure of Bill Gates, Sr. advocating for I-1098. But I think we are missing 2 looming and long-term effects of its approval:

    –Every state in the Union that has a State Income Tax either taxes a flat rate across the board regardless of you income; or, more often, has a stepped Income Tax rates based on income. A cursory look on http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/check-taxes-in-your-state.aspx outlines each state, revealing that less than a handful of states START their income tax ladders at $32,000+. Far and away, state income taxes start somewhere between $2,000 and $10,000 – that’s poverty level! It is a grave mistake to believe that once Washington State Income tax is put on the books that it will only tax the rich. ALL of us will be paying, with pressure every voting session to give more and more.

    –And, some folks seem to lose sight that Washington, as all states in this economy, need small businesses (thank you Meinert for the clarification on the legal/governmental definition on “small business.) in order to employ people like you and me. I am no economist, accountant, or politicist, but it is clear that driving micro-, small-, or medium-companies to the remaining 6 states will only hurt us in the (very short-term) end.

  • Drstrangelove

    “It is a grave mistake to believe that once Washington State Income tax is put on the books that it will only tax the rich. ALL of us will be paying, with pressure every voting session to give more and more.”

    Amen. Where is it written in the initiative that once passed, the rules, amounts, and rates can’t be changed? Of course they can, and WILL, after a two year period. And then we’re all hosed. Trust them? -Just like we voted for no new taxes without popular vote – I395 – widely passed and struck down over a clause which allowed $39 vehicle stickers. No trust here. Vote NO.

  • Sarajane Siegfriedt

    I agree with Ivan. Most upper middle-class people are married. The amount a couple making $500,000 would pay is only $5,000 (5% of $100,000). Please don’t tell me they would miss it. And remember, that’s based on Adjusted Gross Income, after deductible expenses and losses. Please don’t tell me your or your compadres can’t afford this.

    On the other hand, Bartell’s is in no way a small business. Publicola misstated the B&O exemption. It exempts not 81% of small businesses, but 81% of all business. That would include all small business by my estimation. The Federal SBA definition of small business is 25 or fewer employees. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has conveniently promoted its own definition that includes all S corporations (“closely-held” owned by fewer than 100 persons). This definition includes Bechtel, the largest construction company in the world. Let’s get real. Bartell’s is not a small business. Neither is the Seattle Times. Neither is Facebook. They’re just closely held. This is not a large tax. Quit your whining.

  • Sarajane Siegfriedt

    Trevor is correct. Bartell’s is not a small business by any stretch, except as a figment of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s imagination. The Federal SBA definition is fewer than 25 employees. This eliminates Bartell’s. The CoC definition is closely held, fewer than 100 owners. This includes Bechtel, the world’s largest construction company. They have chosen the S Corporation form of ownership because it is a tax advantage. They can continue, or change. WA State’s proposed income tax is one of the smallest of any state, and only affects the top 1.2%. There is no “middle class” in the top 1.2%.

  • Sarajane Siegfriedt

    A single person reporting $225,000 adjust gross income to the IRS would pay 5% on $25,000, or $1,250. They are in the top $1.2% of wealthy earners. What’s wrong with this? You are not succeeding in getting our sympathies for the wealthy when the real middle class is struggling with flat or lower incomes, higher medical insurance and underwater mortgages.

    Studies show that wealthy people like yourself are famously in denial that they are wealthy, whatever their incomes are.

  • Sarajane Siegfriedt

    This is addressed in the initiative by putting the funds into the Education Legacy Trust Fund, with provisions for public oversight, transparency and accountability. The 30% of funds for health care are treated similarly.

    The state is under court order to fulfill its constitutional obligation to fund education as its “paramount duty.” The proportion of the state budget spent on education has fallen to less than 43% in a budget of about $28 billion. To raise it to 50% (paramount) would take about $2 billion. Anyone who has a more efficient and more fair way to raise this amount should fund a competing initiative now, since the legislature is incapable of acting to do this.

  • Sarajane Siegfriedt

    This is addressed in the initiative by putting the funds into the Education Legacy Trust Fund, with provisions for public oversight, transparency and accountability. The 30% of funds for health care are treated similarly.

    The state is under court order to fulfill its constitutional obligation to fund education as its “paramount duty.” The proportion of the state budget spent on education has fallen to less than 43% in a budget of about $28 billion. To raise it to 50% (paramount) would take about $2 billion. Anyone who has a more efficient and more fair way to raise this amount should fund a competing initiative now, since the legislature is incapable of acting to do this.

  • Sarajane Siegfriedt

    It’s not that we have to trust the Legislature not to change the levels that will pay an income tax. Rather, we can trust them not to commit political suicide. Unlike all other taxes, the state income tax is considered political suicide, and we can trust them not to commit political hari kari.

    For evidence, look Ron Sim’s run for governor with an income tax as a major campaign theme. Also, look at Sen. Rosa Franklin’s annual introduction of an income tax bill. It got exactly zero co-sponsors. None. Income tax is the third rail of Washington State politics. That’s why it’s an initiative, and that’s why any changes must and will come back to the people, just as the initiative says. You have Bill Gates, Sr.’s word on it.