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Metro Union Says Drivers Aren’t Overpaid; Balks at Contract Concessions

Representatives of the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 587, King County Metro’s union, met with a handful of reporters this morning—an event that was notable in itself, given that the union has never had a close relationship with the media. “We often walk away feeling like we’ve taken a bit of a beating in the press,” union president Paul Bachtel said.

In a candid, informative meeting that lasted just over an hour, union members (including two part-time drivers and one full-time driver) talked about the terms of the union’s contract with King County, the controversial downtown Ride Free Area, and the dangers of driving a bus.

Although Bachtel said he couldn’t discuss the specifics of ongoing negotiations between the union and the county, he did note that Metro’s union, unlike the union that tentatively agreed to forgo a cost-of-living wage increase last week, has access to arbitration if negotiations fall apart (an outcome many observers think is likely). That gives them more leverage over the county than unions without access to arbitration.

The Metro union has balked at proposals that they forgo a cost-of-living increase or make other concessions such as allowing their contract to be reopened next year, and Bachtel predicted today that Metro’s ongoing budget shortfall would lead to the layoff of as many as 200 part-time drivers (and fewer hours for full-time drivers).

The union members also discussed:

• The downtown ride-free zone. Metro allows riders to board buses downtown for free and pay when they get off. The city supports the ride-free area, arguing that it’s good for business, but drivers oppose it because it leads to conflicts with people who can’t or won’t pay. Those conflicts often take place at the end of a line, in far-flung suburban areas where police take longer to respond. “We’d like to see people pay when they get on, so that individuals who shouldn’t get on might not get on,” Bachtel said.
• Driver pay, which became a controversial topic after the conservative Washington Policy Center released a report claiming that drivers at Metro are overpaid. The report noted that 243 Metro drivers (out of 2,800) made more than $75,000 in 2009.
Bachtel acknowledged that some drivers do make substantial overtime “by working seven days a week.” However, he said that paying overtime is much cheaper than hiring new drivers. And he noted that Metro salaries overall have just kept pace, adjusted for inflation, with what they were 20 years ago. “If you look at our pay over the last two years, you’d say, ‘Oh, boy, they’ve gotten some substantial pay raises,” Bachtel said. “Over 20 years, though, we make about the same. … [In negotiations] we look at pennies, not dollars.”
• Plexiglas barriers, which Metro has considered installing in buses to protect drivers. ATU executive board officer Neal Safrin said the proposal was “dead” because drivers didn’t like the shields. “We’re suggesting that the money they were contemplating putting into shields might be better spent on training [to] give us the skills we need to deal with very dangerous people,” Bachtel added.



  • http://43rddemocrats.org Michael M.

    I mean, I can’t see anything in here for Ivan to get angry about, or myself for that matter. Way to report and not opine, Erica. This should be a fun comment thread!

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Car drivers/bikers/hipsters/outdated cities that I have proof no one lives in anymore because they all moved to Kent/Ivan are the base root of all evil.

  • morning

    However, he said that paying overtime is much cheaper than hiring new drivers. .

    But there are all the part-timers that would like more hours. I recall a Jeff explaining that the union rules and dispatchers make it hard for PTers to get hours.

    Was that discussed?

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    In all seriousness, there should be a review of the benefit and value that the ride-free adds to the downtown core, and whether or not the city would be better off with or without it, and it’s effects on traffic.

    No opinion on the rest, but I’d be very curious to see how much of the Metro pay comes from overtime costs and whether it would be better for the county overall if it’s from overtime costs to add some extra drivers/runs on the most crowded bus lines, rather than forking out the overtime cash to less drivers.

    If the drivers think the plexiglass shields are dumb, we should defer to them. They’d sort of be the experts.

  • Anonymous

    Almost 1 in 10 drivers make over $75k? If the benefits are any good, that seems like a lot to me. Though I’d be more interested in the average wages and average load.

  • Anonymous

    Just pulled the 2009 king county salary data.

    Median transit operator pay was about $55K. This included part timers. Starting pay is $19.13 an hour with full benefits.

    Here’s a breakdown of the pay for the 2600+ operators listed:

    2009 Pay Number Percent
    ——— —– ———
    > $100K 20 1%
    $75K – $100K 221 8%
    $50K – $75K 1265 49%
    $25 – $50K 612 23%
    Under $25K 489 19%

    apply within…

    http://www.kingcounty.gov/transportation/kcdot/MetroTransit/Jobs/DriveForMetro/JobDescription.aspx

    But how does this compare to average?

    “The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that charter bus drivers made a median hourly wage of $11.50 as of May 2006. The BLS also states that benefits vary widely between different employers.”

  • http://43rddemocrats.org Michael M.

    WTF did you just say?

  • morning

    He confused Ivan with John Bailo. Be gentle with the kitty.

  • Bus_rider

    And why would what you think is a lot be important?
    If being a bus driver with a one in ten chance of earning $75k per year is your dream job, by all means, apply, and live your dream.

  • http://43rddemocrats.org Michael M.

    Charter buses =/= transit. Very different.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, you had to actually pass a drug test and have experience for a charter bus.

    $65K + full benefits for your typical full time driver seems very reasonable to me. Bus drivers should absolutely make more than teachers, social workers, police.

  • http://43rddemocrats.org Michael M.

    Charter buses are much safer to drive, not all of the stops, typically more respectful riders, and a general positive working environment.

  • http://peacetreefarm.org N in Seattle

    OK, let’s look at those 20 operators who exceeded $100K. How many hours did they work?

    Let’s assume that we’re looking at a driver whose base pay is $32/hour, that she is scheduled for 35 hours/week, and that she takes three weeks of vacation. Let’s further assume that overtime pays 50% more than base pay and that every hour over her scheduled hours constitute overtime. Finally, let’s say that her actual total for the year was $105,000.

    Please note that I’m pulling all these numbers out of my ass (I know nothing of the union contract, pay ranges, or overtime policies). Please note also that I’ve made all of those assumptions before even opening a spreadsheet.

    OK, now that I’ve punched those numbers into the spreadsheet, here’s what I found:

    Regular pay = $58,240 ($32/hr*35hr/wk*52wk)

    Overtime = $46,760
    Annual overtime hours = 974.2 ($46760/($48/hr))
    Weekly overtime hours = 19.9 (974.2hr/49wk)

    Hauling a huge vehicle through narrow, crowded streets. Hassled by numerous customers, constantly asked for directions. For about 55 hours a week (even if she takes only a 1-day weekend, that’s over 9 hours a day).

    Sounds to me like Metro’s getting more than its money’s worth. I’m sure there could be improvements in the distribution of overtime, but that’s an entirely separate issue.

  • tpn

    Don’t forget– you are not guarenteed full time as a new hire.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    It was more my throwing the kitchen sink of snark rather unsuccessfully.

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    I would be “the Jeff”. I was invited to attend this meet and greet, but declined following a personal attack by President Paul Bachtel on my blog following an article that I wrote suggesting that the union could save jobs by amending contract language that creates an artificial and unnecessary demand for overtime. Read the article – and Bachtel’s attacks in the Comments section – here: http://wp.me/pQRnr-oM

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    The amount that the City of Seattle pays for the Ride Free Area hasn’t changed in nearly 40 years.

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    See my article on the driver shield here (with pics):
    “Do Not Tap On Glass – It Upsets the Driver”
    http://wp.me/pQRnr-59

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    LOL

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    You have to pass a drug test and have experience to drive a Metro bus as well.

    And this particular bus driver is a former social worker.

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    If you’re really curious about the union contract, you can read the whole thing here: http://www.atu587.com/membership-bargaining.html .

    Much of the overtime that Metro pays to full-time operators is unnecessary, as there are part-time Operators looking for extra work all the time who are qualified, willing, and available to do work at their regular hourly rate. The union contract creates an artificial demand for overtime.

    While some overtime will always be necessary – and even cost effective in many cases, the union has institutionalized overtime in such a manner as one would not see in other work environments.

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    The current wait to go from part to full-time is from 3-5 years. New hires are guaranteed only 2.5 hours of work per day. My first 8 months driving for Metro I was only able to get less than 3 hours per day. After over 2 years, I am still part-time.

  • http://peacetreefarm.org N in Seattle

    Thanks, Jeff. I hope to have a chance to look at it soon.

    Did the gist, if not the details, of my calculations make sense?

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    How do you feel about the fact that 1 in 5 earns less than $25K?

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    Gist yes. Details are – well, details. All full-time drivers are guaranteed a 40-hour week, not a 35 hour week. It takes I believe at least 10 years of full-time service to qualify for 3 weeks of vacation time.

    The top rate of pay is currently just over $28.00 an hour, not $32. This makes the overtime rate nearly $45.00 an hour.

    While I maintain that much of the overtime that is assigned is assigned when there are part-time operators who would covet that work at their regular hourly rate, those who do work the time definitely earn what they make. This is neither an unskilled profession, nor an undeserving group of workers. If anyone else earned over $100K working the equivalent of 2 jobs, nobody would bat an eye. Indeed – they would be congratulated for their work ethic and commitment to providing well for their families.

  • Anonymous

    That pretty much means they’re working about half time or less.

  • city girl

    Missing from the meet and greet are the conditions. Recovery time on innner-city routes is being drastically reduced — and split shifts are becoming the norm. The other norm for full-time drivers is the extra board, where you are assigned a different shift every single day. Start at 6am one day. Next day start at 12 noon — and you must be available over a 12 hour spread so often you will be working a split shift over wide-ranging hours. For the majority of transit operators, part-time and full-time the conditions and terms have substantially worsened over the last few years….
    umm ever since Wall Street and the war pretty much bankrupted the economy and now workers are supposed to sacrifice to get everything back on track.
    If Metro is in a budget crisis the County should be looking at the East Side billionaires and millionaires to cough up more money. Which is another thing missing from the meet and greet. The number of people with mental illnesses going untreated is up — and they all ride the bus. One more issue to deal with.

  • so open the doors..

    okay, you’re suggesting we open up all bus driver jobs to new folks?

    I think if you did that and set the wage at $20 an horu yo’d have about 40,000 people applying for jobs. As most of them know how to drive it would take about 2 or 5 hours to learn to drive a bus, it’s not a vast amount of skills. I got a job once driving a truck w a 24 foot bed…took me about 5 minutes to “get it”….

  • Anonymous

    I think it goes without saying that driving a Metro bus takes some level of technical and interperson skill. But reading that contract you linked (thank you, BTW), it’s pretty clear to see that protecting and enhancing the earning power of the tenured drivers is priority #1.

    $9M was paid in overtime in 2009. Conceivably $2 – $3M could be saving utilizing more hours for part time workers. That’s about the savings that would be achieved by forgoing the COLA for a year.

    There’s also some nice benefits unheard of in the private sector:

    - After 25 years, you get 6 weeks of vacation
    - You can cash in your vacation balance over 80 hours
    - You can gift sick leave to another employee
    - You get paid 35% of your sick leave balance upon retirement
    - Do something “above your grade” and you get extra pay
    - Full time drivers appear to get first dibs on prime shifts (probably causing part timers to have to piece together awkward shifts).
    - Retiree medical benefits after only 5 years of service?

  • Johns

    Dude, I don’t drive a bus, but I’ve been taking Metro for almost 25 years. There is a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE between driving a commercial truck and driving a bus – and even within Metro there is a huge difference between driving an express commuter run from the deep ‘burbs and driving, say, the 7 at 10 PM on a Friday night. You’re drastically underestimating the skills required to be a good Metro driver.

  • Guest

    A couple East side KC council members made that review and determined that the city was only paying a fraction of the actual costs. That news flared up for a couple days and then faded out.

  • Guest

    That might not seem so much to you if you had to work the hours they do to make that money. How would you like to drive a 60 foot bus in Seattle traffic, making stos every couple blocks, dealing with yuppie assholes and wino assholes, for 10-12-14 hours a day. You know those people downtown that you cross the street to avoid. Bus drivers pick them up.

  • Guest

    It takes years of driving the bus to attain the seniority to achieve the hours that generate that high of an income.

  • Guest

    2-5 hours? You wouldn’t last a shift. If you managed to avoid an accident you would surely have your know it all ass assaulted.

  • Old Guy

    Most of the full-timers work all the hours they can get to pump up their average salary before retirement, a couple of years before they ‘punch out’.
    Their retirement is calculated on the highest salary worked the last few years, so they get the residual benefit of all those OT hours for the rest of their lives.
    I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, it’s just what happens.

  • Jesus H Christ

    Since it won’t let me reply to drshort on his post below, I’ll do it here.

    Just because the benefits are “unheard of” in the private sector (and they aren’t btw – not all of us have worked the deadend jobs that drshort apparently has) why does that make it wrong?

    At the risk of sounding too “heavy”, we all come into this world naked, and we all eventually end up in the same place – dead. What’s wrong with negotiating for a decent wage and working conditions, even if you do something menial? Why are we so eager to race to the bottom so that a very few might have that house on Lake Washington or that third vacation home in Whitefish?

    All of the injustice in the world, all of the misery and suffering, and we are worrying about how much vacation time a person gets, or whether they can give their sick leave to an ailing co-worker who desperately needs it? How pathetic and sociopathic is that?

  • Outdoorbooks

    If you are so envious, why don’t you apply for the job. First question – do you have a class B CDL with an air brake endorsement or pass the test to get one? Second question – can you pass a drug test and keep doing so? Third question – do you think you can make it on $13,000 for the first 3 to 5
    years of employment before you get to work 40 hours a week and make $59,218 per year. Forth question – do you want to work 350 hours of ovetime to make $75,000?

    Get real and get a life!

  • Anonymous

    In response to Jesus H:

    Metro, King County and Seattle are all running significant budget deficits, so each is looking for ways to cut costs. Since 70% of the budget is generally labor, it seems logical that the cost of labor is examined.

    At first glance it appears a lot of the labor contracts the various agencies entered into are fairly generous. So I think it’s fair to ask “maybe instead of cutting needed bus routes, we should reduce the $9M in overtime pay? Or skip the COLA for a year since there’s been no inflation.”

  • trevorthebusdriver

    Imagine…
    You must start your job part-time for 2.5 hours a day for years.
    You are late one minute for work and there is no other work to do, you are sent home after one hour with one hour pay.
    You have to sit in a different chair every day.
    You don’t know how many other people have touched your stuff before you.
    Your equipment is often worn-out or broken.
    Your office only gets cleaned once a month.
    You have to start and end work at a different time every day.
    You have to start at 4am or as late as 2am.
    You have to change your entire schedule every four months.
    You have to be at work 12-16 hours to get 8 hours pay.(+commute time)
    You have to work every weekend and holiday for years.
    You can’t get a vacation in the summer for years.
    You get holiday pay but can’t get a day off to use it.
    You get sick pay, but if you can’t get promoted if you use it.
    You don’t always get your breaks and/or lunch.
    You can not use the restroom whenever you want.
    If/when you do get a break there may not be a restroom nearby.
    You must go in the bushes, a bottle, or a trash can.
    You must navigate a 60-ft metal box through rush hour traffic.
    Often your office has no air conditioning and be over 100 degrees inside.
    Homeless, mental, smelly people come into your office and sleep for hours.
    You sell something, but some people expect it for free.
    You get yelled at for being late even if it’s not your fault.
    Your customers leave seed shells, chicken bones, dirty diapers, etc on your office floor.
    Your customers expect you to know every route,time, building, address, and landmark in Seattle.
    Every one of your customers may carry weapons, but not you.
    Occasionally, usually for no reason, your customers will threaten you, spit on you, punch you in the face, assault/rob you or other customers, pee/poo/puke on the seat or floor, break a window or door, deface every available surface with graffiti, and once in a while shoot you in the head and drive your bus off a bridge.

    But I’m not complaining, I still feel lucky to have a job.

  • Jesus H Christ

    Why don’t we raise taxes? Be like every normal, well-run state, and have an income tax?

  • Bernie

    I thought Metro drivers were social workers :=

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    s open the doors,

    No, he’s suggesting that if driving a bus is such a dream job, then Matt the engineer should apply. Metro IS hiring drivers right now. Go for the gold.

    FYI, the starting wage (once qualified) is just over $19.00 an hour, and I doubt that Metro is getting 40,000 applicants. Everyone starts as part-time, you’re only guaranteed 2.5 hours per day, and working conditions can be brutal.

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    Trevor,

    Good points, all.

    I hope you’ll answer the question that I posed to YOU on the PSTO blog: http://tinyurl.com/2d7e9j6

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    It is false to claim that driver retirement is calculated “calculated on the highest salary worked the last few years”.

    Our pension plan includes an employee contribution (mandatory) – in effect, an additional payroll tax that those not on our pension plan don’t pay.

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    On wheels yeah. Probably why I did so well in the interview.

    Yes, there is an interview process.

  • Old Guy

    I know your new, but read the PERS2 (Public Employees Retirement System) handbook before refuting someone. Retirement is calculated based on 2% times the years worked times the highest average annual pay received for 5 consecutive years. Newer hires are now in PERS3.
    The drivers with the most seniority are offered extra work first, by contract. Most within 5 years of retirement take all they can get. That’s your +$100,000/yr club membership.
    As for contributions, the county pays into PERS as well as a portion from each employee, which is part of your compensation package from the county.
    I’m in favor of better work rules that distribute work over the workforce in a realistic approach, not just an artificial world of false incentives that skew retirement pay off the charts, ultimately paid for by the taxpayers.

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    Old Guy,

    You’re correct of course. I read “last few” as 5< years.

    I am in PERS 2.

    -jw

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    It would be nice to see some more reporting from this meeting. If the event took an hour, I would imagine (hope) that more was discussed than has been so far reported.

  • side tangent noted

    because
    1. the county can’t raise the income tax.
    2. the state isn’t going to pass the income tax. and
    3. the bus unions the teacher unions, all those unions out there telling us we need income tax, they’re not even out there working the intiative to actually raise the income tax. it’s just a talking point.
    5. um, even with income tax it’s fair and legit to examine the pay of govt. workers…just because we’d tax more from the rich doesn’t mean we should necessarily keep whatever pay levels we have, and make service cuts instead.

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    STN,

    Who said anything about an income tax?

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    Oops, I guess the guy you’re replying to did.

  • transitwonkygirl

    The idea that eliminating overtime would at first blush seem reasonable, but it doesn’t account for the cost of vacation, sick leave or healthcare costs per employee into account. Those costs are Per Full Time Worker, not per hour, so every time you add a worker, you have to pay another set of these costs. That makes it cheaper to put out some OT. The county audit of metro calls for more OT and more hours for part timers. Jeff is part time, so he wants those hours to go to him, but in reality, it is most efficient to also put out a certain amount of OT that’s actually more than the amount they are putting out, which is I think, under 5% (don’t quote me on that). Jeff is right that their treatment of part timers is not good. 2.5 hours guarantee per day for up to 3 or 4 years waiting to go full time is really rough. If not for the union, Metro, I’m sure, would like to work people as little or as much as they want day to day without an 8 hour guarantee or work per day and for drivers to be on call 24/7 for whatever shift they want to give them with no right of refusal for any assigned shift.
    Also, most drivers work OT for short periods to pay an ememrgency bill, then go back to working more or less 8. Metro also needs OT because if someone gets sick and doesn’t show up, the bus must go out, and if someone coming in off their 8 hours can go back out on the road for 3 more and drive it at OT, that’s better than leaving passengers by the side of the road and cancelling their bus. furthermore, not all bus runs are exactly 8 hours. It takes odd amounts of time to get from point a to point b of a route. Metro could either in that case pay a driver to stay out driving (say) a half hour past their 8 hours, or they could bring that driver back in early at say 7 hours and a half, and pay them for 8 hour day (so they would get paid to not drive), and then they’d have to send out another driver in another bus (because you now brought the first driver’s bus back to the barn) for one hour to do that last trip. Probably it is most efficient to pay the overtime. Infact, there is a computer program that figures out exactly what is most efficient and make routes accordingly. Very few are exactly 8 hours to the minute. Alot depends on how many buses are available. You don’t want to keep sending buses needlessly back and forth to the base, either, just to avoid a little OT, because driving them around when they aren’t actually on a route is even more inefficient that paying a little OT.
    It’ complicated!

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    TWG,

    Actually I’ve never suggested elminating overtime – which is impractical, impossible, and often economically irresponsible.

    From my article at: http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/how-the-union-can-save-jobs-a-3-step-solution/

    “A certain amount of overtime is unavoidable, necessary, and even cost-effective in lieu of new hiring. ”

    There will always be overtime – in fact as with any employer there has to be, both to accomodate the types of situations you describe, and (this is the part folks don’t want to talk about) to discourage employers from requiring their hourly employees to work long hours away from home and family to the detriment of both as well as health.

    Every other employer that I have worked for has recognized this and tried to eliminate *unnecessary* overtime. I have argued that much of the overtime paid out at Metro doesn’t fall into the categories that you described, rather is demanded through contractual restrictions on when Metro’s part time Operators (about 1300 of us) are allowed to work.

    -jw

  • Trevor G.

    Alright Jeff. Enough pimping your blog, ok?

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    Actually, my blog pimps Publicola all the time. It’s information I’m “pimping”. I do hope you’ll stop back by over there and answer the question that I asked you about the overtime issue. Primarily after you asked me why if I wanted more hours that I just didn’t get a second job – that I asked you the same thing in re: overtime. If you want to work more than 40 hours per week, then why don’t YOU get a second job?

  • trevorthebusdriver

    Trevor G. is not trevorthebusdriver, but I will answer your questions when I get the time…

  • http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/ Jeff Welch

    My bad. I encounter surprisingly few “trevors”.
    -J

  • Gomez

    Because in the scheme of the average wage, $75K is a lot. I know a lot of you software engineers who take that sort of wage for granted don’t think so, but back here on Earth….

  • Gomez

    I think an hourly rate would be a better barometer for measuring wages then.