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Battle Brewing Over SDOT Plan for Bike & Ped Friendly Redesign in N. Seattle

Following the familiar routine that has accompanied all of the road diets in Seattle this year, Lake City and Pinehurst community members have raised concerns about the Seattle Department of Transportation’s plans to reconfigure NE 125th St. between Roosevelt Way and 35th Ave NE and making efforts to stop the project.

SDOT’s proposal is to reduce travel lanes from two-lanes in each direction to one lane in each direction with a center turn lane. SDOT says the lane reduction would allow them to install traditional bike lanes in either direction, improve pedestrian crossings, improve “major signalized intersections by creating right turn only lanes for vehicles (excluding transit and bikes),” and reduce vehicle speeds. According to an editorial by Cascade Bicycle Club’s Chris Rule, the 85th percentile of vehicles travel 39 mph on the 30 mph road.

An unattributed flyer was distributed throughout the neighborhood this week encouraging people opposed to the project to let SDOT know before the project comment period closes on August 9 at 5 p.m. The flyer (click here for a bigger, but still-hard-to-read version) contends that the 125th street rechannelization is “a bad idea” because:

  • It will create major traffic congestion between 1-5 and Lake City Way.
  • Lake city is an area that’s been already designated by the city as a “high-density” neighborhood — you can’t increase population in an area and reduce car-travel lanes.
  • Congestion on NE 125th St will force more cars to divert to side streets in Pinehurst.
  • With one lane each way, emergency vehicles will slow and buses will add to the backup.
  • It won’t encourage bicycle commuters to travel on the NE 125th hill; most bikers ride on less steep side streets — so put bike lanes on flatter streets that border NE 125th.
  • It won’t reduce speed. Installing traffic cameras on NE 125th Street will reduce speeding. Taking away lanes to decrease speeding punishes everyone who drives on NE 125th St.

The claims made by the flyer should sound familiar to anyone who payed attention to previous proposed and completed road diets such as the ones on Nickerson St., W. Admiral Way, Roosevelt Way in Maple Leaf, and Stone Way. In each of those cases, community groups, residents, and businesses asserted that the rechannelization would cause congestion, reduce car and truck mobility, and cause traffic to divert to neighborhood streets.

A recent SDOT study of the Stone Way road diet found that the project reduced traffic speed while maintaining roadway capacity, increased bike traffic by 35 percent, and reduced collisions between cars and cars, bikes, and pedestrians by 14 percent, without causing an increase in traffic on neighborhood streets.

In addition to the above claims, the flyer also charges that “SDOT has not made an effort to communicate widely with Pinehurst residents or businesses about this change.”

According to SDOT Communications Manager Rick Sheridan the department, “worked aggressively using a number of different tools to make the community aware of the project and project open house.” He says they used email, door hangers, contacted local community groups, and had a presence at local community meetings and farmer markets as part of their outreach.

“We take the fact that more than 100 people showed up to the project open house as a good sign about our outreach.”




  • Tim

    On their second bullet: “Lake city is an area that’s been already designated by the city as a “high-density” neighborhood — you can’t increase population in an area and reduce car-travel lanes.”

    Uh, yes you can. It's called creating walkable/livable density where people want to live and work, rather than making your community just a place to drive through.

    This whole idea of living in one place, then driving 30 minutes somewhere else to work is _done_. We can no longer responsibly build more infrastructure to support this old idea.

    And yes, there will be some pain as people get used to the new paradigm, but it's coming. Get over it.

  • Renee

    Josh -

    Thank you for posting on this issue. I live just off 125th and am personally very excited to see this project happen. As a parent, transit rider and pedestrian I support the need for reduced speed on 125th. For a number of years in community meetings and in other dialogue, I have heard from cyclists asking for better bike route access between Pinehurst/Northgate and the Burke-Gilman Trail. This project is a great step in that direction.

    Just to clarify on outreach: A great deal of outreach did occur. I sent e-mails to over 350 people in the neighborhood. Ed Pottharst at Seattle Department of Neighborhoods sent e-mails to his North District mailing list. A number of other people in the neighborhood told me that they forwarded the meeting notice to their large distribution lists. There were two tables at Pinehurstfest with info on the project. Seattle Department of Transportation planned to deliver hang tags with project info to property on 125th. Cascade Bicycle Club sent an alert to their members in the neighborhood. The meeting notice was published on Maple Leaf Life blog, Lake City Live blog, the Pinehurst blog, the new Seattle Bike blog and on Publicola (the notice on Publicola called it a Maple Leaf road diet, but the info was all there). I believe at least 100 people attended the initial meeting. There was clearly not a lack of effort to communicate with neighbors and businesses.

    Renee

  • Mr. X

    Sanctimonious, much?

  • Mr. X

    …and to be less snarky, just what sort of walk/bike/ride fantasyworld do you realistically expect to arise between 15th Ave NE and 37th Ave in a distant northern part of Seattle? The GMA calls for transportation concurrency – including in urban villages – and reducing arterial capacity doesn't provide it.

  • Mr. X

    I went to the workshop on this, and despite the best efforts of supporters of this proposal to get their people (ie – the new urbanist types who dominate most of the blogs you cite) out the vast majority of people I saw and spoke to there were from the neighborhood and weren't buying this proposal at all.

  • kurisu

    The same fantasy world that has a vibrant business district along that stretch of Lake City Way. I don't think the GMA requires 4 lanes for 16,200 vehicle trips – show me where it says that.

  • Mikos

    I live, bike and drive in north Seattle and this project will fulfill two needs: calm traffic on 125th and provide a much-needed east/west bicycle route. Polling, not meetings, is the only way to gauge community support.

  • Unclevinny

    I disagree with most of the criticisms of this plan, but one of them sounds reasonable to me: If the main street is steep, most bikers will choose the flatter route. Why not put the bike routes on less-busy and flatter streets? As a newbie biker, I have a finely tuned sense of the “flattest” way to get around.

    That said, I'd be interested to hear why Lake City/Pinehurst people think their experiences will be different from those of Nickerson, W. Admiral, etc.

  • geiser

    Transportation concurrency doesn't have to mean auto concurrency. Also, a two lane street has capacity for 22,000 to 24,000 vehicles. NE 125th Street has a current use of 16,200 cars a day. Seems like a no-brainer, winner idea to me.

  • Whipsmart

    Ah, sweet, sweet confirmation bias.

  • Jay

    What constitutes a “vast majority?” You're not “over-exaggerating” are you?

  • Mr. X

    Um, how about every single person who wasn't either a city staffer or a member of a city advisory committee?

  • Mikos

    What route is less steep than 125th? North Seattle near Haller Lake is one of the highest points in the city. To get there you will have to climb. It might be possible to zigzag a route through side streets but at some point you will have to traverse 130th or 145th and the later is a high speed state highway. I'm not sure there is an alternative. Change is difficult.

  • Mr. X

    Adding a handful of bicycles and reducing capacity along a critical east/west arteriial doesn't provide transportation concurrency – particularly in a neighborhood that probably has lower bicycle utilization than the 2.5% bicycle mode citywide.

    Build it, and almost no one will come – especially on that hill.

  • kurisu

    1. BS, because I was there
    2. Are you saying that every volunteer from the advisory committees was in favor?

  • Renee

    I was there as well and know a number of other supporters who also attended the meeting.

  • Mr. X

    That could well be, but I didn't see or hear any of them for the 45 minutes or so that I stuck around.

  • Mr. X

    FYI – Nickerson and W. Admiral haven't been implemented yet.

  • Brad

    NE 145th St. in that section is technically a state highway, but the speed limit is 35 mpg. It's a 4 lane arterial.

  • Grover

    I thought the mayor was a big believer in listening to communities and letting communities make decisions on things that impact them.

    I know that Queen Anne and Magnolia do not want the Nickerson Street “diet”. So why is the mayor shoving it downt their throats?

    This mayor doesn't care at all about the residents of neighborhoods like Queen Anne, Ballard, Magnolia, Lake City, etc. The mayor just has his own agenda, and is trying to force whatever he thinks is “good” on every neighborhood in the city.

    Why not let neighborhoods vote on these street diets? He wants a vote on the bored tunnel. But not on his pet projects that neighborhoods don't want.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    “live and work”, there is lots of livin', not enough living wage work to support that livin' so that shitty planning has to mitigated by shipping people to jobs.

    So, you got it half right.
    You either have to make those places able to support living wage jobs, or hope like hell that the bulk of those commuters all want to go work in the same area.
    Good luck with that.

  • Unclevinny

    From the article: “previous proposed and *completed* road diets such as the ones on Nickerson St., W. Admiral Way, Roosevelt Way in Maple Leaf, and Stone Way. “

    Should that be “proposed and/or completed”?

  • Mr. X

    Indeed – and I don't think that choice of words was accidental. Obfuscation through conflation, I'd say….

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    People with transit, parking, sidewalks, and painted lines are debating the rearranging of those things.
    If you don't want the budget spent there then feel free to spend it where those things are not already in place.

  • Barleywine

    You would make a good English teacher.
    But my math says that many of the bikers on Lake City Way would be going down, too.

    Rainier S. is a great example of a road diet without a downside, but nobody ever talks about that one.

  • Mikos

    Brad–

    Are you looking at the technical data or the highway. Nobody goes 35 MPH on that street. I lived there for 20 years and never seen anyone get a ticket for speeding. It's a state highway and it is managed like a state highway. It's a half mile between crosswalks and it's sucidal to cross anyplace else. And there are sidewalks on only one side of the road west of I-5. It's unsafe for pedestrians and cyclists.

  • Mr. X

    We won't get to vote on this if McGinn, the Cascade Bicycle Club, and the urban design cult get their way, because as Publicola reported not too long ago, a poll found that “Just 28 percent said they’d support replacing car lanes with bike lanes, with 63 percent opposed; and just 38 percent said they’d support replacing parking lanes with bike lanes, with 54 percent opposed.”

    Sounds like a slam dunk majority to me. You want confirmation bias? I give you the Publicola echo chamber.

  • Biliruben

    Mikos -

    I have given this some thought, as I live in Lake City, ride as much as a can, and had, until recently, a kid in daycare at Northgate.

    There is not a flat route. I've zigged through the neighborhoods enough to figure that out.

    My default going West to Northgate is climbing the chain-snapping hill (quite literally) on 115th coming off LCW. If I'm pulling a trailer, I get off and drag.

    Going East, you could take that route, but then you have to climb back out of the gully around the beaver pond. Or you could take 125th, which I have deemed suicidal. If you are going 30 mph, cars pass you at 50 mph within milimeters of your handle-bars.

    So this will be a good thing.

    The best (easiest grade) route would be to follow one of the two Thornton Creek tributaries, and that's what I do to get to LCW.

    I haven't explored the possibility of putting in a path along the creek from LCW to Northgate, but I would guess it's do-able. You'd probably get some push-back from homeowners along the creek, however.

  • Brad

    Yes, you certainly would get pushback, particularly since in many cases, the creek actually runs through private property between LCW and Northgate.

  • LCL

    to Renee-forwarding meeting notices from one email group to another doesn't constitute “a great deal of outreach”. I found out about the project from reading the newspaper and going to the city's website, but the city information is not easy to find. Real outreach means hard copy notices posted everywhere, and doorhanger tags, and phone calls.

    In other words, if you want the support of real people who live in the neighborhood, someone has to talk to them in person.

  • Reasoned

    Renee doesn't care what real people in Pinehurst think. She's busily trying to stuff more density into that (relatively) inexpensive single family area and repping herself as their spokesperson.

    Don't forget it was her voice on that inexcusable robocall for then-candidate McGinn that linked mayoral candidate Joe Mallahan to the NRA.

    Consider the source, in other words.

  • mt_spurr

    Gridlock the surface streets, good idea, make it exactly like I-5. That will lower the speed. Great for economic development.

    But friendly for bikes.

  • kurisu

    Despite all the hours she spends working for the betterment of her neighborhood and the city, Renee is not a “real” person in Pinehurst according to Reasoned.

  • hiding externalities??

    Could the bike folks point to the city they wish to emulate? If it's copenhagen and amsterdam, they are chock full of cars and boulevards with multiple lanes for cars; they are not cities where all the arterials are just one lane each way.

    Maybe it's some Amish village where people work at home, on a farm, not using fossil fuels for anything, and restrict their “trips” to a weekly hike to the church a few miles away?

    The bike favoring is great and we should help bikes but the ignoring the need for transit and helping electric cars doesn't help, politically.

    BTW if you bike 9 miles to work every day, you're adding about 700 calories a day to your intake. If you're like most people this comes in the form of a carton of orange juice, some lettuce in a bag, perhaps a small piece of salmon, or maybe some crackers from trader joe's, or say part of a jar of pasta sauce and some pasta….all of it coming on trucks and much from factories and farms that use energy and resources.

    Maybe 2 people in a prius or volt has a lower GHG inputs than a cyclist??
    Esp. if the e car is in the PNW with hydro…..

    Anyway, perhaps we should license cyclists so we can cap and trade their energy load on the planet.

    Seriously, 700 calories a day times 200 work days….140K calories of food…say they do 10 50 mile rides and two 100 mile rides on weekends….another 700 miles..say 70 hours worth at 350 cal an hour…that's 25K more calories…say it's 200K calories a year adding in the local trips to the grocery etc. What is the GHG impact of all those extra calories if you buy food at PCC and Trader Joe's most of which is trucked in?

    Honest devotion to lowering GHG would “count” this…..

  • Biliruben

    That's certainly true for both the N and S tributaries, but much of S is vacated or sitting on a steep grade. It could probably done with some imminent domain work and some buyouts, but I agree there probably isn't the political will to do so. There are higher priorities to focus our energies on as well.

    My only point was: if you want the easiest grade, follow the water.

  • morning

    Meat eating bikers equivalent to a car for GHGs

    http://twtitw.firebus.com/node/100

    Electric cars less impact than bikes.

  • Sarah

    Sand Point Way/NE 125th/NE 130th are a freeway. They carry traffic from the UW clear over to Ballard. If you put a freeway on a road diet you don't get better safety/accessibility for bikers, you get a lot of really pissed-off car drivers who will have a lot of time added to their commutes. And no, it isn't terribly easy to change your job so that you live 2 miles from your home, so stop those unrealistic suggestions. “Live where you work” is, as someone pointed out above, for Amish communities, not a large urban area with feeder communities like Lake City. NE 125th feeds into Lake City Way for everyone going north to those rural paradises like Monroe where back-to-the-earth people bought years ago, and they can't exactly move back to Seattle right now.

    Idealists are not great authorities on what's realistic in the City that IS, not the City you simply WANT.

  • Mack Abber

    “This is a generalization, and not very scientific… but one could argue that those who ride bikes are healthier and thus live longer and by living longer have a higher carbon footprint. It may be possible that the cheeseburger gobbling, gas guzzler driving dead at 45 by heart disease has a lower carbon foot print than the bike riding vegan who lives to be 90.”

  • Drive-By-Trucker_(Soapboxin')

    It has more to do with existing SDOT policy than new McGinn policy. SDOT has a set of specific criteria that are evaluated for possible road diets. I'm NOT a traffic engineer, but I know this includes average speeds, accident rates, usage, etc. They make every attempt to be as objective as possible.

    I don't think they really listen to the community, because they believe that this is for their own good.

    That being said, it's stupid not to put bike paths on the flattest routes, where bicyclists actually ride. And away from high traffic volumes. For example, who wants to ride on Aurora?

  • Trorb

    Here is proof that everything in that neighborhood flyer is erroneous. Nearly all the same arguments were made in Brooklyn, NY about removing travel lanes and putting in a physically separated bike lane. The results are pretty amazing for bikes and pedestrians:

    http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/08/03/radar-sur…

  • concerned

    Where does this data come from? In October 2008, SDOT said this about 125th: “the latest traffic volumes measured in this area show peak hour volumes at a level that requires retaining two vehicle travel lanes in each direction.” I would like to see the data from 2008 compared to 2010. Presumably the current data would show a substantial decrease in traffic volume, although I find that hard to believe.

  • Eric McClure

    And here is the Brooklyn version of the anonymous (and completely groundless) flyer:

    http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/06/21/tonight-v…

    If the NE 125th St. project works half as well as the Prospect Park West project has, the road will see a significant reduction in speeding with no resulting congestion problem, and a sharp increase in cycling.

    Good luck!

  • kurisu

    You seem to know nothing about “the City that IS.” 125th would be a really stupid way to get from the UW to Ballard except for whatever crazy person thinks the route for the 75 bus makes sense. Last I checked there are pedestrians trying to cross the street in Lake City, which means this is not a limited-access highway. Traffic speeds there are too high, not too low. If Monroe residents want to drive 50 in a 30, let them do it in their “rural paradise.”

  • Barleywine

    And the ones going up need a point A to point B line.
    They have the legs and the lungs to power up LCW.

    Recreational riders might need side streets to get to the same elevation over a longer period of time. Switchbacks, they're called.
    They wouldn't go on LCW anyway.

    I've seen “commuters” at Paradise.

  • Donolectic

    I bet you're the type of person who defines “real” americans too.

  • Laura

    ” . . . where people want to live and work, rather than . . . just a place to drive though.”

    Hey, uh, Tim – Are you creating the neighborhood jobs, or know who is/about to??? Any ideas what industries would find Lake City/Pinehurst appealing to get established? And just because those new jobs are created, I think the freedoms we enjoy allow an employer to hire the best person for the job, meaning they might live in Edmonds or Kent.

    Please crawl back under your utopian rock, or better yet – head over to Afghanistan to try your sense of reason with the Taliban.

  • Skye

    This is absurd. The bike commuters are often replacing other workouts they'd do otherwise with their commute – so no net increase in caloric intake. And your argument assumes that food must always be unsustainable. Don't advocate for ending bike-commuting… advocate for a more sustainable food system. Lots of that food at PCC is from farms only a half hour way – not too much trucking going on there.

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