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Pretending That No Other Plan Exists

Have you caught on yet to the latest mantra-du-jour of the pro-deep-bore tunnel set? If not, allow me to fill you in by quoting Seattle City Council member Tim Burgess, who writes,* “They don’t have a plan.  All they have is obstruction.”

Yes, that’s right people, all those glassy-eyed, car-hating tunnel opponents are haven’t uttered a word about a better solution to replace the Alaskan Way Viaduct. Um, well, except that they have. Repeatedly and consistently.

It’s a solution called the I-5/Surface/Transit alternative, and environmentalists have been advocating for it for well over five years. Council President Richard Conlin once supported it, as did former council member Peter Steinbrueck. And we know that even way back in 2006 the council recognized that a surface-only option is viable, because they voted 7-1 to approve an ordinance that states, “In the event a tunnel proves to be infeasible, the City recommends the development of a transit and surface street alternative…”

Council member Mike O’Brien and Mayor Mike McGinn have never wavered in their belief that a surface option is the most sustainable solution. The Sightline Institute and Worldchanging—arguably Seattle’s two most respected big-picture sustainability thought leaders—have both clearly expressed their preference for the I-5/Surface/Transit alternative, as has the Sierra Club, a group that has been funding research nationally on the connections between land use and driving for going on two decades.

In 2006 the Congress for New Urbanism, led by the former Mayor of Milwaukee who had direct experience with the benefits of replacing an elevated freeway with a surface boulevard, published a report supporting the case for a surface-only viaduct replacement. The report included modeling by Parsons Brinkerhoff predicting that 28 percent of trips would disappear as people adapted their routines.

After the 2007 elevated/tunnel vote, the city of Seattle hired transportation consultants Nelson/Nygaard to help develop the Seattle Urban Mobility Plan, described on the city’s web site as follows:

In May 2007, the Seattle City Council requested the Seattle Department of Transportation develop an Urban Mobility Plan as a solution for replacing the Alaskan Way Viaduct. The Urban Mobility Plan will use a systems approach, including enhanced transit service, surface street and highway improvements and other transportation programs and policies. It will focus on the movement of people and goods to and through Downtown, rather than maintaining vehicle capacity of the existing SR99 corridor.

The plan will:
1. improve mobility and access to and through Seattle’s Center City and
2. replace the Alaskan Way Viaduct with a surface street along Seattle’s central waterfront.

And let’s not forget the year-long viaduct stakeholder process that, with the approval of the Seattle, King County, and Washington State departments of transportation, put forward I-5/Surface/Transit as one of two preferred alternatives (the other being a new elevated structure).

Does any of the above sound like a plan to anyone? Just semantics? Can I get a witness?

Then in January 2009 the state decided to push forward with the deep-bore tunnel, and no further planning has been done on the I-5/Surface/Transit alternative since. But that fact doesn’t stop rabid tunnel supporters from howling about how there isn’t a plan for I-5/Surface/Transit that is as fleshed out as the deep-bore tunnel plan now is.

The reality is that if the city and State had spent the last 18 months continuing to develop the I-5/Surface/Transit plan, then we could judge. But they didn’t. Nor is a surface option being considered in the Environmental Impact Statement. Given what’s at stake, that is irresponsible leadership.

No, the problem is not that tunnel opponents are obstructionists without a plan. The problem is sclerotic state government combined with local leadership that refuses to open their minds to a more progressive way of thinking about urban mobility that is in line with future realities. The problem is a lack of vision, and an excess of timidity.

* FOOTNOTE: Some time last night after I wrote the opening lines of this post Burgess deleted the paragraph in his post that contained the language I quoted, along with more tough talk about how tunnel opponents would rather debate than decide, and how the region can’t afford to wait as they dither, etc. Burgess says he deleted the paragraph at the urging of his wife, who suggested he should “stay on the high road.”


  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Here's what you have to understand. Cities are obsolete. They no longer function or work. They are expensive…far more expensive to build and maintain than exurbs. That is why vacancy rates are 4 times higher in downtown than in Redmond or Kent.

    So, there is this big imbalance. You have one small area: Downtown, that has overbearing amounts of Government workers, politicians, budget and “infrastructure” and yet it has fewer and fewer people who want to use them or it.

    “Cities” are yet another financial bubble.

    So, human psychology sets in and rather than seeing reality, cutting losses and moving on, they hope to “reurbanize” by coming up with ever more arcane, bizarre and nonsensical “solutions”.

    The surface option while the “most viable” is pretty much an admission that no one wants to live or work in a densely crowded downtown, paying expensive parking or for high priced “transit” when they can just drive 5 or 10 miles to a nearby commercial site, get free parking and take their car to any number of low cost lunch places. So the surface option is a suburbanization of downtown. And you know what? It is the only one that will work.

  • Matt_the_Engineer

    I'm starting to think that John Bailo is some sort of auto-posting web bot.

  • Stacy

    It's about spending billions of dollars on infrastructure investments that help SOLVE problems like peak oil, climate change, the declining health of Puget Sound, and declining government revenues; instead of spending it on investments that make these problems worse, don't solve our transportation problems, and suck up all the money that could get spent on our actual priorities.

  • CVBrown.PE

    The trouble with the surface/transit/I-5 improvement is that it wont work. Period. The mayor and his supporters are flat wrong on that choice.

    First, I-5 cannot be further enhanced. It has no room. Its retaining walls holding up Pill Hill cannot be shifted east. Thus, enhancing capacity is a pipe dream.

    Second, transit does not take care of the substantial through traffic – West Seattle vicinity to NW Seattle (Ballard et al.) This is about 63,000 ADT. That traffic cannot just evaporate. It is there today.

    Third, shifting in excess of 40,000 ADT to Alaska Way along the pier line makes the much vaunted waterfront unreachable by pedestrians. Volumes in that range require a 5-lane arterial.

    So, what is a good choice?

    Why does not an iconic, architecturally designed (international competition?) cable stayed bridge along the inner harbor line from, say, the Battery Street Tunnel to a location just north of Pier 48 not work?

    It can obviously have capacity, can accommodate all through traffic, could have a ramp to the CBD, and cost about the same at the Tacoma Narrows 2nd bridge – circa $735 million. At less than half the cost of the deep bore tunnel it has a lot to offer.

    Recalling the PB study of a similar option, but way out in the bay, comes to mind. So, why not run that option by, but this time with a closer, inshore route?

    Also, put a 12 foot wide bike/pedestrian lane on its outer side and you would then have a great, new option.

    Chris

  • Jonah

    Are you arguing with WSDOT's year long anaylsis that concluded the surface/transit/I-5 would in fact work; the same analysis that didn't even study the DBT because it's too risky and expensive? Cause that would seem rather odd.

  • Brent

    I'm still waiting on any of the city council members (except Mike O'Brien) to acknowledge the simple, cheap solution for moving freight faster, which he offered during the campaign:

    Set aside freight/transit only lanes on 15th Ave W, Western, and down the rest of the waterfront.

    So, what's the council's plan for moving freight? Ban freight from using the waterfront, to force it to take the long way around via the tunnel.

  • gloomy gus

    That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about his posts.

  • Brent

    I'm starting to think that most of the council members are bots, to wit:

    All the delays are the enviro-hippies' fault.

    We voted for it. (Never mind the facts.)

    You can't carry freight on bikes.

    It's about safety.

    Nobody else has offered a plan.

    There won't be any cost overruns, because we are so good at protecting the taxpayers.

    And, oh yeah, the Mayor is fat and anyone who agrees with him has fallen into a cult.

    Do they really think they are fooling anyone?

  • seandr

    The surface option wouldn't win a majority vote. It's doubtful any of the options would. Collectively, Seattle has no clue what it wants here.

    It's time to punt this issue to a future generation that is hopefully more unified in its vision for the city. In the meantime, we should do whatever plan is cheapest and has the lowest impact (which I believe is the retrofit option).

  • seandr

    The surface option wouldn't win a majority vote. It's doubtful any of the options would. Collectively, Seattle has no clue what it wants here.

    It's time to punt this issue to a future generation that is hopefully more unified in its vision for the city. In the meantime, we should do whatever plan is cheapest and has the lowest impact (which I believe is the retrofit option).

  • Johns

    He may sound like a broken record, but he is actually a real live human being.

  • Sigh

    Here we go. Dan and his car hatred. Publicola has already become tiresome.

  • Jason Osgood

    Someone also suggested expanding the operating hours of the port. I don't recall the details, but moving some freight off hours isn't currently allowed because of noise or something.

  • Inside Outside

    Just thought I’d add in a bit more toward the history lesson.

    The plan (I-5/Surface/Transit alternative) you speak of was actively supported by the Nickels administration including Mayor Nickels, Tim Ceis and Grace Crunican. They commissioned this study and were actively promoting it with the State and had strong buy in from then KC Exec. Sims. WSDOT, and the state legislature (esp. some in the Seattle delegation) actively DID NOT support this plan.

    In addition, many important Seattle business and labor groups felt very strongly that we not lose too much capacity in the corridor and forced the 'new' deep bore tunnel option back on the table – which ended up at the prefered alternative.

    Many urban planners types also had a strong distaste for the I-5/Surface/Transit alternative since it relied on moving much of the trips (including lots of freight trips) through the city on downtown streets having significant impacts on the quality of our pedestrian environment and calm(ish) downtown street life.

    There are also a strong contingency of folks who just don't believe that the “transit” part of the I-5/Surface/Transit alternative has much chance of being funded considering that KC Metro tries to screw Seattle at every turn on service allocation.

    Nickels, Ceis and Crunican could see that they were not likely to get the political will necessary to move the I-5/Surface/Transit alternative over the top. The deep bore tunnel had much more support from stakeholders such as Labor, Business, as well as many urban planner, enviro types. Granted the urban planner enviro types were then and still are solidly split on this issue.

  • Neville Chamberlain

    Hey Dan,

    Thanks for setting the record straight. And for such a perspicacious use of the word sclerotic.

  • Inside Outside

    Another thing to keep in mind…If you trying to push and extra 60-80,000 trips through the downtown core everyday you just cannot put in the bike lanes and sidewalk widths you would hope for. That was what alot of the urban planner pro tunnel people were/are reacting too.

    In thier minds it's more expensive but will be a greater city in the long run by preserving downtown streets for people and providing a waterfront for regional significance.

  • tedb310

    I'm beginning to think that about a lot of Publicola commentors.

  • Marysmithin1972

    jeez publicola- i have no idea where you stand on this issue…

    except i will say this- you helped usher in a mayor, which is now a joke, who thinks his only job is to prevent progress. Im glad i have him and you working for me and my best interest…

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

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  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    The same guy asked where to Transit portion was for the Tunnel+Transit is operating in a parallel universe where the State authorizes transportation funding for his preference, but no other.

    You do not have a plan, Dan. Plans have resources.
    There is or isn't transit support from the state. If you want to pretend transit support would be there for your preference then I think it is actually more likely that it will be there for the option the state has already chosen for its

  • Drive-By-Trucker_(Soapboxin')

    And there you have it, folks. THAT is why I am “pro-tunnel.” I want this done, and I want to stop having these contentious, circular discussions.

  • Jakers

    What do the unions say about this? Surely no one wants to screw up the unions' hours, unless it will guarantee them a ton of overtime!

  • CL

    Question: what's with the council and their blind support of the tunnel?
    It's as if they've all (except O'Brien) sitting around drinking some cool-aid. The rest of the city is shouting at them “DON'T DRINK THE COOL-AID, IT'S BEEN POISONED!!!”. Their response? “What are you talking about? It's the only thing we have. And those empty packets on the ground clearly read 'cvanid', not 'cyanide'”.
    I don't understand the Council's blind, unwavering and unequivocal support for the tunnel. It's hard to justify not wanting to debate someone about a technicality like cost overruns; refusing to acknowledge the POSSIBILITY of overruns is… I'm at a loss for words.

    Any insight? Have they all been brainwashed? Hypnotized? Has the dark lord Sauron cast a spell over them all?

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Mmmhmmm, me too. I was a Surface proponent but that thing got wider and wider, and had all those stoplights, pedestrian friendly stoplight timing, that a bypass tunnel looked like a needed thing. In fact, I was, and to a great degree still am, a believer that we will end up with both (of some sort).
    I-5 “improvements” means eliminating a downtown exit. That may be something we look at having to do in the future anyway.

    What we are not ever going to get from the state is a through-tunnel after a surface option has been developed.
    What we would get with going surface is the State always having a say in anything we run on the surface, anything.

    Bury the state through-tunnel first, work on surface transit next, make getting through Seattle completely the state's problem.

  • Inside Outside

    Dan Bertolet is an opinion / editorial writer and as such he should express an opinion.

  • Inside Outside

    Very good point

  • joshuadf

    About 50,000 vehicles use the viaduct to get downtown, but the DBT will not have any entrances or exits for these vehicles.

  • Inside Outside

    See my first post which outlines a small bit of the political history. Council likely feels like 10 years of studies, advisory groups, outside consultants, expert international panels, public dialogue is enough. I think most of us can agree with that. At some point we need to recognize that not everyone is going to be happy about the decision but a decision is needed nonetheless.

    The State gets to decide what the project is and the City worked long and hard to get a solution that is not an aerial (bigger and more expansive to meet new federal guidelines) rebuild. Council is reacting to the fact that after 10 years of debate the region, the state and the city have reached an agreed on solution that all the parties could live with.

    I will say that O'Brien has been great about pushing the envelope on the cost overruns issue. This issue is very legitimate and all of weird dancing around about this one has been absolutely breathtaking and bizarre. (State legislators testifying that their legislative intent does not really mean anything…whaa?).

    O'Brien has found the Achilles heel in this project and is uber maximizing it. You have to give the guy a whole hell of a lot of credit because the rest of the Council is now in a very strange place on this. I think that O'Brien is the political badass of this whole drama. It makes me excited to see what this guy can do on an issue where I am on the same side (which is lekly 99.9% of the issues he'll work on in his tenor). Plus, really authenically geniunely nice, super smart dude.

  • Inside Outside

    So your saying an aerial rebuild is the solution? A prettier looking structure but a rebuild nonetheless.

  • Inside Outside

    already been determined that retrofit is not an option.

  • Inside Outside

    Off ramps in south downtown and north of the central business district.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    I'll have to add that the rest of the council does not agree with him but still extended the courtesy of a “second” to his amendments so that he could full express his position.

    I read a lot of pretty bad things written here by tunnel opponents regarding the council, I am not so sure that a council of Mike McGinn's would have been as inclusive.

  • Hjkl123

    If the tunnel goes forward, I predict that in the mayoral and council races for the next decade-plus, how long you have been against the tunnel will be the deciding campaign issue.

    Council members who now are voting for it will be plumbing their 2005-2010 public statements for any skepticism they can run on.

    You thought Strippergate resulted in an incumbent wipeout…

  • Jakers

    Perfect solution. And with this, I am no longer going to comment on publicola re the tunnel. Plus, I don't really have anything new to add to my pro-tunnel bigotry.

  • Pine Grove

    Very fine comment by Inside Outside.

    I do have a quibble with one observation: I will say that O'Brien has been great about pushing the envelope on the cost overruns issue. This issue is very legitimate and all of weird dancing around about this one has been absolutely breathtaking and bizarre.

    O'Brien would be a lot more effective on the cost overruns issue and the issue of the state backing out on transit funding if he hadn't identified himself as a surface/transit proponent and tunnel opponent. It infuriates me that Tim Burgess cast the transit funding amendment as a “poison pill”–as if the city should be ashamed to stand up for its interests. But he's able to get away with that kind of dysfunctional rhetoric because of where O'Brien's coming from.

  • morning

    It is widely recognized that the most critical strategy for cutting greenhouse gas emissions, reducing runoff pollution to Puget Sound, and creating a more sustainable and prosperous city overall requires curtailing our reliance on the private automobile..

    Top thinkers on the subject believe that converting people to high mileage and electric cars is the only way to reduce GHGs fast and significantly enough to make a difference in time to stop the carnage of global warming.

    Just as people don't need to stop eating to avoid obesity, they just need to eat the right foods.

    The arrogance of telling people to just stay home and give up mobility is both insulting and futile.

    Perhaps Bailo has something. Maybe we should put density in what are now the suburbs, instead of built up areas like Seattle. It would sure be cheaper to build infrastructure in Kent.

    The S/T plan isn't a plan it's a glimmer of a vision. The Western/AW couplet was DOA and even the S/T people don't want a highway on the waterfront. A 1st Ave. streetcar will do nothing for adding capacity or mobility.

    The handpicked stakeholder (noisiest on subject people) committee picked the elevated not S/T.

  • geiser

    Depends on your definition of progress, I suppose.

  • geiser

    Oof. One cannot forehead slap hard enough

  • alexbroner

    The governor killed the transit portion of the tunnel because she knew she could get away with it. She knew that the pro-tunnel city council would let her, as indeed they have. We don't know what would happen if the city pressed for transit as part of the I5/surface/transit option because it hasn't been tried yet.

  • Stop Commenting

    Let's all just stop commenting on the tunnel and maybe pc will post on something else

  • Drive-By-Trucker_(Soapboxin')

    Agreed. I will not post another comment on the tunnel until something new actually happens. That means I won't hit refresh umpteen times a day and, if enough of us walk away from this discussion, Josh won't get paid as much for ad content until they can come up with something new to cover.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Let's start a campaign to redo all of I-5 with a cover on it, with an elevated second set of north/south lanes on an upper level. We can put a city park above that cap, and finally unite Capitol Hill with Downtown! We can connect I-99 to that with an elevated highway that will go over Pine Street ala the Monorail tracks.

    Who's with me? Let's keep things from getting boring.

  • seandr

    Ok, then rebuild?

  • Drive-By-Trucker_(Soapboxin')

    This is not an epic battle for some crucial civil right, that must be fought to the bitter end.

    It's not some tipping point that will determine whether we follow our car-centric ways to a Mad Max future or enter into a golden age of environmentalism.

    The earthquake damaged an old piece of clunky infrastructure. Painfully, a decision has been made on how to replace it. Thanks to all of you malcontents out there, it will be carefully scrutinized from start to finish. But it will start. And it will finish. And life will go on, much as it did before.

    And I'm done arguing about it. Take one of your goddamn polls and find out how many people either don't care or are just sick of all the delay and arguing. While you're at it, ask them if they prefer Surface/Transit. Then we can talk.

  • what da plan stan?

    great post! It says there is a plan!

    But it doesn't say what the plan is!

    BTW “the plan is to make improvements” is NOT a plan. A plan would have specific to-do's like telling us how much money into what bus routes with what ridership, or is it streetcars? who knows? and what lanes on i 5 will be rededicated to what and what surface changes will be made. Really this is seattlese….commonly we say a vision is a plan. the ped plan had same defect. a statement of goals with no funding, no HOW TO.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Something tells me the irony-o-meter was missed with my post basically saying let's turn Seattle into Metropolis.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Provide a link to that quote.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SAQ6R2ZBGQQNNBXVJZG66K6KY Mickymse

    Why is it every time any suggestion is made to remove a lane of traffic folks scream “car hatred”?

    Do you really believe that the way to reduce congestion is to just keep building more lanes of highway?

    Have you visited Southern California lately? I-405 is 12 LANES of traffic much of the day. A solution that removes one lane of traffic in each direction, and proposes to increase throughput on other nearby roadways while adding more transit service isn't really very radical.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SAQ6R2ZBGQQNNBXVJZG66K6KY Mickymse

    But this is exactly what some folks are trying to point out to the “just get it done already” crowd.

    The proposed tunnel DOES NOT replace the existing capacity of the Viaduct. It displaces at least 40% of the vehicle trips onto the streets above.

    The proposed tunnel ALSO depends upon a transit component. Yes, there is obviously less funding necessary if the tunnel is built; but the tunnel will not work if we don't increase transit through the corridor.

    The proposed tunnel will still require a larger Alaskan Way boulevard.

    The Draft EIS for the proposed tunnel does not take the impact of tolling into account in its traffic studies. Yet, a previously released study suggests that thousands more vehicles will not use the tunnel if they have to pay for it.

    And none of these points even mention the risks for cost overruns or the debate about who will pay if that does happen….

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SAQ6R2ZBGQQNNBXVJZG66K6KY Mickymse

    Have you looked at the capacity of lanes and intersections currently available north and south of the CBD? What do you think is going to happen if you push more cars that way? The tunnel proposal doesn't contain any significant changes to the street network.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SAQ6R2ZBGQQNNBXVJZG66K6KY Mickymse

    Well, I won't speculate on the Governor's motives for killing a transit option… but the simple fact is that the Legislature passed a bill that would have allowed our area to fund some of the transit needs for the tunnel, and she vetoed it.

    And her support of the tunnel agreement with then-Mayor Nickels and then-Executive Sims specifically included her support for a new Motor Vehicle Excise Tax to fund transit.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SAQ6R2ZBGQQNNBXVJZG66K6KY Mickymse

    I would agree with pro-Tunnel folks… IF the City had been studying this deep bore tunnel proposal for those 10 years.

    The reality, however, is that this tunnel was not extensively studied until recently. And the DOT and previous City Councils never supported such an option. And the public never got to see the proposal until after it was already chosen by our “leaders.”

    That's simply not good government, no matter what option you support.

  • Trevor

    Pardon my language, but SHOW ME THE FUCKING MONEY!

    Otherwise, would you please stop calling it the “surface/ TRANSIT” option, and just call it the “surface” option?

    Thank you

  • morning

    Really this is seattlese.

    No, it's new-urbanese.

  • morning

    Well, Mickey, the bill she vetoed was a vehicle license fee, not a MVET. The bill she vetoed was a $20 license fee, as you recall the monorail tax was $120 per car and only raised $45M – I'm thinking maybe she figured $25M wouldn't do much.

    BTW here's a golden oldie from the transit dreamers -

    Transit Advocates “Optimistic” Gregoire Will Sign Bill She Vetoed Last Year
    By Erica C. Barnett, Monday, February 15, 2010
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  • alexbroner

    I didn't quote anyone, what are you referring to?

  • morning

    Is there a map showing what streets will have what changes and where the traffic will end up?

    Also, did the crack (in the old meaning) consultants identify whose trips will be no longer possible (in new-urbanese “adapting their routines”)?

  • Selma

    ….by putting a highway on the waterfront.

  • Selma

    The DBT is actually two lanes less traffic. You should be jumping for joy.

  • Selma

    It's okay to accept the surface/transit plan on faith as being awesome, but not okay to accept that the world won't explode if the DBT has cost overruns.

    I've said it before, but this whole argument is so very, very stupid. The new urban crowd should be embarrassed for themselves.

  • NordicGal

    I was a fan of the plan for a surface alternative, until it died because it didn't have the support to move forward. Key point: a plan must be capable of moving forward. Surface can't. The state will take the money and run and use it to build roads in rural places, encouraging more sprawl.

    No one is saying that no other plan exists. There is no other plan with sufficient support to move forward and assure that the Viaduct comes down so that a better city can grow in its place. Insisting on a dreamy future with insufficient support to happen – and dominating public dialogue on it – will only drive people away from the City. Hardly a green alternative.

  • ARGGHH!

    TUNNELTUNNELTUNNELTUNNEL – can you say TUNNEL VISION? Is there NOTHING else going on in the City? Who would know? Certainly not the Mayor – and certainly not anyone on this site! What about the tree plan? What about water – the electric utility? The homeless? Recycling? The Budget? What about something ELSE?

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    You gave a reason why she vetoed the bill, I just assumed that you knew something and weren't just making up some bullshit that firs your opinion.

  • alexbroner

    Perhaps I need to clarify, I don't know exactly why she vetoed it but one does not have to be a mind reader to realize that she considered the possible repercussions of breaking her word to Seattle and concluded she could get away with this.Subsequent events have thus far shown her assessment to be correct. O'brien's amendment to the city council resolution on the tunnel demanding that the transit portion of the previous agreement be fulfilled was voted down 8-1. We don't know what would happen if the city pressed for transit as part of the tunnel because it hasn't been tried yet.

  • morning

    Well Alex this what the elixir reported:

    Legislation sponsored by State Rep. Marko Liias (D-21) that would allow local transit agencies to charge a $20 vehicle-license fee to help fund transit has until tomorrow to make it out of the state House. Last year, after it passed out of both the house and the senate, Gov. Chris Gregoire vetoed a version of the bill, arguing that local governments already had the authority to charge a countywide fee of up to $100 to create a transportation benefits district to pay for local roads and transit. Gregoire “felt that another $20 added on wasn’t necessary,” the governor’s spokeswoman told the P-I at the time..

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Note to self, what's with Morning with the quotes 'n stuff?

  • Jogilvie

    The surface option should not be an option at all because it would not provide the mobility needed to keep our city and commerce moving. The theory is that more people would ride the bus or use a bike–I have news for you THE BUS IS AN INEFFICIENT MODE OF TRAVEL–and while bike use is on the rise it is not going to be the dominant mode of travel. These are culture changes that will take a long time, it does not happen in a few years. Our city simply is not geographically correct to get people out of their cars. I ride a bike to work, but most people will not because it is not convenient and it take a lot of time.

    The surface option is a BAD idea and should not be spoken of any longer. It is a greenie hippy Utopian dream

  • Stacy

    The tunnel puts more cars on the waterfront than the surface-transit-I-5 solution; thank you $4 tolls.

  • Super Ficial

    oh I see. they plan to have a surface. Good idea. I always like to have a surface. You can walk on it, ride on it and put a bus on it! And cars, too, excellent idea!

    Don't plumb it any deeper than that though. The plan is to have a surface!

  • bellevueguru

    And a hell of a lot more expensive.

  • David Schraer

    McGinn does not have a plan to FUND Surface/Transit. It's not even clear McGinn has a plan to stop the Deep-Bore Tunnel. McGinn’s opposition to the Deep-Bore Tunnel is a ploy to establish himself as Seattle’s decision-maker. After eight months in office, McGinn has one lonely accomplishment: he has divided Seattle’s pro-environment progressives. Why? More at http://www.lightandair.wordpress.com

  • bellevueguru

    Mary, some people think progress means turning all Americans in car-driving fat asses with a burger in one hand, a latte in the other, and our knees steering the wheel.

    And if that's your version of progress, then by all means, support the tunnel in your “best interest.”

  • bellevueguru

    Congestion! Great solution. I love it. Best way to solve our traffic problems.

  • bellevueguru

    Maybe it died because people like you thought it had no support, thus pulling the support that everyone thought there was none of.

  • bellevueguru

    Of course, John! Everyone hates cities! Why didn't I see it before? All of those poor 60,000 residents downtown, I feel so bad that they don't have the privilege to move out to Kent.

  • Meanie

    I have a running theory that the city council who is blind on the tunnel was told by olympia under no circumstances would their political careers continue ( like half of the state that ended up in the obama administration) unless they made this tunnel happen.

    I can't come up with any other reason for the rhetoric, blind faith and general douchebaggery. The councils heavy handed approach to initiates and the public in general support this theory.

  • joshuadf

    ttp://www.wsdot.wa.gov/NR/rdonlyres/FAF9612A-D0D4-4D0C-824D-8C879E457D0B/0/AWV_I5SurfaceTransitHybrid_FactSheet_Dec08.pdf

    “This would include increased service on Metro’s RapidRide routes for Ballard/Uptown, Aurora Avenue and West Seattle and new RapidRide routes on Delridge Way and Lake City Way. The waterfront streetcar would be replaced with a new First Avenue line between King Street and Seattle Center. Park and rides would be expanded in Burien, White Center and Shoreline. The Rapid Trolleybus Network would be expanded with new connections such as Madison Park to Colman Dock, Queen Anne to Capitol Hill, and Beacon Hill to Capitol Hill. Moderate investment would be made in other express and local routes in Seattle.”

  • anotherneighborhoodactivist

    A bad governance decision won't become good or even “good enough” simply by studying it, no matter how many years you do so. Aside from costs, cost over runs, risks, disruptions, and all the other project impacts, it simply makes no sense to spend billions on infrastructure that is part of a paradigm that appears unlikely to be sustainable for another half century. If your assumptions are flawed, the conclusions of the analysis will not be accurate. Until we start acting on this verity, we'll continue to over consume our habitat right off the cliff into unlivability.

  • one para not a plan.

    Hey Stan aka joshdf, thanks!

    Now, to be a plan instead of a one paragraph vision, you'd need these answers and details:
    1. “increased service on Metro’s RapidRide routes for Ballard/Uptown, Aurora Avenue and West Seattle and new RapidRide routes on Delridge Way and Lake City Way.”
    How much money? From where? How many buses what headways what hours what travel time …? how to fund operating expenses going forward? what ridership? how much capital and operating per trip, and total ridership, and most of all, is it faster than driving a car? or are we just forcing people onto transit by making the SOV inconvenient?
    2. “First Avenue line between King Street and Seattle Center.”
    again, how much? is it $50 million a mile like SLUT? what impacts on mobility — including buses — on Frist avenue? Ridership? Operating expenses? and most of all, why is this faster than a bus today, or faster than walking and is it?
    3. “Park and rides would be expanded” HOLD THE PHONE that's subsidizing cars and sprawl!
    “in Burien, White Center and Shoreline.” more free parking for cars? don't like that. And how much is the per auto driver subsidy, does each parking space cost $20K? why would we do that?
    4. “Rapid Trolleybus Network” what the heck do you mean rapid? I have seen no data that SLUT is faster than walking, or a bus. give us the routes and travel times and cost per rider and capital and operating expenses, then you have a plan. “new connections such as Madison Park to Colman Dock,” excuse me you're not going to be able to defeat MP CC or Broadmoor types….
    “Queen Anne to Capitol Hill, and Beacon Hill to Capitol Hill.” All for it, but again, capital and operating cost, TRAVEL TIMES, ridership, fares etc. would be a plan. Otherwise it's a wish list.
    5. “Moderate investment would be made in other express and local routes in Seattle.”

    Seriously, Metro is cutting existing services, they already raided the ferry taxes, you can't add a new bus route without a county council vote which means you have to pay off von reiechbauer with inefficient routes out to enumclaw to get another bus on denny way, and at this stage this is like those guys who draw a bridge across elliott bay or a submersible tunnel across lake washington and call it a plan. well, it's slightly better because we know that trolleys are great, and buses do exist, etc., but this is far, far far from a plan it's the equivalent of 0.0005% engineering. Now, this is from a friendly pro transit supporter. But until you guys get a plan I'd say surface transit is going to hover at the 28% of seattle that's hard core enviro and anti autos. Presently buses are not a form of mobility that is useful other than for that one laborious longish trip to go to work, I really haven't seen any details that would show that the investments you are describing would let someone in west seattle get over to the MLK tennis center for the women's doubles flight every wednesday night at 8:30 pm. There is no real transit plan for seattle and the level of detail you have provided is simply not a plan. It also suffers from the fact it requires cooperation from the state (which denied metro more funding) the county (which is half anti seattle) etc. So I'd say, back to the drawing board and come back with a real plan.

  • polar bears for mcginn

    you mean he's separated the environmentalists who favor a $4 billion auto highway producing immense GHG's and who pander to the enviro crowd by throwing them goats and chickens, from those who oppose more auto investments and truly want radical change.

    Good. That's just what we need. If we can't have real environmentalism in seattle, we're not ever going to do what's needed in the state or nation or world. right on mcginn and keep it up!

  • ella

    Why not try the surface street option? A tunnel could always be bored later if the surface street option was ineffective.

  • ivan

    If we just quit maintaining traffic capacity, all those mean cars will just GO AWAY! Everybody clap their hands and say “I BELIEVE IN FAIRIES!”

  • Drive-By-Trucker_(Soapboxin')

    I would refer you to the comments of Inside Outside above. That really happened. It not some opinion he made up.

  • Drive-By-Trucker_(Soapboxin')

    Because Chris Gregoire will have already spent our $2 billion somewhere else. 520, perhaps?

  • Reasoned

    Thanks, Erica. But you still didn't mention my ass.

    Love, MOB

  • Inside Outside

    If you want the rebuild it will be no less than a 50 year structure thus losing the 'once in a lifetime opportunity' to reconnect the waterfront to the City. Plus, it still costs something like 2.8 billion

  • Sigh

    Once again people: this isn't an either-or fallacy, regardless of how much you tunnel and car haters (yeah I lumped you together – sue me) say it is so.

    See Dan's hilariously well-timed post from today that proves my point.

  • Gomez

    That's not a plan. A plan has concrete steps, i.e. “Build this, in Z location because of [X reason]. Then build Y in X location. Then….”

  • Inside Outside

    Instead I believe they were told by their most important and powerful alliances in Olympia that it's the tunnel (but you pay the overage) or its an ugly rebuild.