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Overruns Provision Was “All Chopp,” State Legislators Say

Two stories this week have made it appear that language in state legislation about the proposed deep-bore tunnel did not come, as has been long believed, from House Speaker Frank Chopp (D-43). First, Mike Lindblom at the Seattle Times had a long piece about Wenatchee Rep. Mark Armstrong (R-12), who sponsored the controversial amendment stipulating that “Seattle-area property owners who benefit” from the tunnel will be on the hook for overruns. The piece implies strongly that Armstrong came up with the amendment himself as a way of protecting the state from future city requests for improvements beyond the immediate tunnel work zone.

Then, in a story in this week’s Stranger, Dominic Holden writes that the amendment came at the behest of Gov. Chris Gregoire. The piece, headlined “The State is Lying About the Tunnel,” accuses Gregoire of inserting the cost-overrun language into the tunnel legislation.

So who’s right? Did Chopp have nothing to do with the cost-overruns legislation?

Not according to the governor’s office, which told PubliCola it’s “not true” when asked if the governor was behind amendment.

“We have a call in to the Speaker to see if what he said [was quoted] accurate[ly],” says Gregoire spokesman Viet Shelton. “What was reported earlier today is revisionist history.”

State legislators who worked on the viaduct bill also insist it was Chopp’s amendment. House transportation chair Judy Clibborn (D-41), committee member Deb Eddy (D-48), and other state legislators, including Rep. Brendan Williams (D-22) say Chopp explicitly demanded the amendment. “This is all Chopp. This is all Frank. This was Frank’s baby,” Eddy told PubliCola last week.

State Sen. Ed Murray (D-43), who sponsored the viaduct bill on the senate side (without the overruns provision) also told PubliCola right after the 2009 session that it was a Chopp demand. “At one point, the Governor had to talk me out of killing the viaduct bill (my bill)”—when it came back from the House with the overruns provision— “because without the House language Frank would have killed it.”

And reached for a comment today, Murray said: “In conversations with senate staff and the senate [transportation] chair and with the governor, I was told House leadership insisted on the provision. Look, we all know that things only move in the House if Frank wants them to move.”

Murray says when the bill came back over to the Senate, he was prepared to kill it because  “I thought the language was unfair. I met with the governor and she agreed that the language was unfair and that she didn’t support it and at some point we’d have to fix it.”

Asked if maybe Gregoire authored the language anyway as a way to appease Chopp and pass the bill, Murray said: “No. It was not the governor’s language.”

When we first broke the news about the cost-overruns vote last year, Rep. Reuven Carlyle (D-36) told us the language came straight from Chopp.

Ultimately, whether Chopp authored the language or not, it’s cheesy for him to pass the buck now, over a year later, after making it clear to his colleagues at the time that he would not pass the legislation without the language.

We have a request into Chopp for a comment.

Josh Feit contributed reporting to this post.




  • Selma

    This is all so stupid and unsurprising. Chopp wanted a rebuild or the Choppaduct, and not the tunnel. McGinn wants not the tunnel, so he buddies with Chopp.

    On 520, McGinn wants the bare minimum, and Chopp wants a tunnel. The state proposes two new lanes, so of course they buddy up on that.

    Eventually, they're reach going to want to, you know, actually accomplish something. Who will their allies be then?

  • http://twitter.com/LuigiGiovanni Luigi Giovanni

    Dominic is a known defender of smoking pot.

  • morning

    “We have a call in to the Speaker to see if what he said [was quoted] accurate[ly],” says Gregoire spokesman Viet Shelton. “What was reported earlier today is revisionist history.”.

    Rewriting history would be a more precise wording. Good to see Nickels' political hack got a job with the state.

  • http://twitter.com/LuigiGiovanni Luigi Giovanni

    ECB, once you were his editor at the Stranger. Today he's responsible for his own actions. Did you train him right?

  • Mike in Seattle

    Frank will be the first one to tell you he really wanted the Sonics to stay in town also. He is a hypocrite and a typical self serving politician.

  • NordicGal

    McGinn's words on this topic remind me of the sorts of twisted logic normally expected from guys like Glen Beck. Sometimes it seems like we elected the Glen Beck of the left as Mayor.

    The Times story was revealing: the guy who sponsored the amendment, in his wildest imagination, never thought anyone would so wildly twist nothing, into something. He'd never met Mike McGinn.

  • Drive-By-Trucker_(Soapboxin')

    Awesome, possum! They're all throwing each other under the bus, too!

  • get a clue

    what he says to a reporter isn't the law; the law says seatte areas folks pay overruns; armstrong is backwalking like mad NOW because of McGinn's leadership in exposing this embarassing and stupid provision.

  • reality show: the Leg

    And the buffoonery begins.

    thanks to McGinn's wise leadership in highlighting this issue, we're now seeing the folks who voted for this provision run, run, run for cover like the pandering cowards they are.
    “Oh what we voted for doesn't mean what is says — it means we're scared of Seattle MAKING THE STATE pay too much for extras!”
    “Oh what we voted for is illegal as hell. Why it's obviously unenforceable becuase it's unconstitutional! Yes, we all voted for an unconstitutional law!”

    ” He did it!”
    “No she did it!”

    and the all time favorite,

    “mommmmeeeeee, big brother Franky maaaaade me do it!”

  • Drive-By-Trucker_(Soapboxin')

    Well anytime I see 'McGinn' and 'wise' in the same sentence, that's a show-stopper right there. I assume you're either a 24-year old, bike-riding barista or an aging flaky hippy who never grew up.

    Just watch Gregoire squash McGinn like a bug. When she first ran, I thought she was a Clintonite panty-waste like Locke. I underestimated her. I now think she's tougher than Hillary. Not just a real ball-breaker, but someone you can actually count on when times get tough.

    She is destined for Auditor General or a cabinet post. Maybe Supreme Court. And she'll do well. But first, she's gonna put Mavericky McSandbag in his freakin' place!

  • anyone but frank chopp

    the part i wish would get more play is that frank chopp is supposed to represent downtown seattle residents and property owners… but he's arguing for them to pay the overruns? what the hell kind of representation is that?

  • tvguide

    “actually accomplish something”

    Sadly, McGinn's plan is to get nothing done. Chopp's is to build his fantasy Great Wall of China to keep out the Mongrols.

  • seandr

    Interesting and clarifying.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Now that the tunnel albatross is preparing to crash and burn into the top deck of the viaduct, is it any surprise that no one wants to take credit for things associated with it?

  • seandr

    If Chopp put the provision in, Chopp can remove it.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    I expect a conclusive scientific study that confirms I can eat bacon for each meal and obtain the body of an NBA star before I expect your solution to happen.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    “what the hell kind of representation is that?”

    The one a smart person can use to remove him from his seat the next election. He would have absolutely no legitimate defense versus this–none.

  • Just wondering

    Representative Armstrong didn't sponsor the cost-overrun amendment. The amendment was sponsored by Representative Clibborn. Maybe Armstrong proposed it first but who cares what he meant or intended for his amendment, the legislature didn't adopt it. But they did adopt Clibborn's and you can check out the 30 minute mark here to see what her (and therefor the Legislature's) intent was in adopting it.

    http://www.tvw.org/media/mediaplayer.cfm?evid=2…

  • Just wondering

    i suppose it would have been revealing if that guy was the sponsor of the amendment that put the city on the hook for cost overruns. but he's not. so. it's not. rep armstrong sponsored an amendment relating to cost overruns but it wasn't the one that was adopted.

    5768-S.E AMH ARMS LEAT 091 815 Armstrong Floor Pg 1 Ln 21 NOT ADOPTED 04/22/2009

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bi…

  • Historian of the Horse's Mouth

    This was right at the end of the session, and stuff was flying around like crazy. The amendment came about because Seattle (Nickles et al) was trying to get a tunnel but not pay for a share of the tunnel itself—they wanted all the bells and whistles, including a street car on First Avenue, to be part of the deal. To pay for that portion of the City share, they were talking about a LID or property tax on Seattle downtown property owners. So, First Avenue property owners suggested to Speaker Chopp, among others, that we would rather be on the hook for cost overruns on the tunnel, because then we would actually get something—a tunnel, with overruns—out of the deal. In our opinion, using a streetcar to nowhere on First Avenue as part of the calculations for traffic flow in the Hwy 99 corridor was as phony as a two dollar bill. We did not want a streetcar, had made our case to the city that we would not pay for it, and were working in the legislature to make sure it was not part of the tunnel deal. So, we suggested this little provision—which got legs of its own, and got stuck on the bill—-and the intent, and effect, was and is to keep the city honest. Money for the Hwy 99 corridor should go toward a tunnel, and not, as Rep Campbell puts it, for unnecessary bells and whistles. We realized that the provision itself would keep Seattle lawyers tied up in knots—trying to figure out if it impaired the ability of Seattle to raise property taxes, through a LID or any other mechanism, until the tunnel was brought in on time and under budget. McGinn's worries are only worries if the tunnel constructors do not perform as promised, by them, the Governor, and everybody else. We trust them; so should Mayor McGinn. Us same folks as elected them elected him, after all.

  • seandr

    Really, people, the tunnel is about the waterfront.

    Having a vibrant, pedestrian friendly, visible waterfront is a worthwhile investment that will draw residents and tourists alike. Tourists pay enormous hotel and rent-a-car fees, not to mention our onerous sales tax, just for the privilege of visiting here. Since we've structured so much of our tax revenue around tourism, let's at least give people reasons to visit.

  • polar bear eats doo dah man

    Hey doo dah man — I think coffee mania is dumb, give me a drip. I dislike baristas. I age every year, you got me there! I think others are flaky and I think hippies are conformists of the most unoriginal type, as it's no longer 1969. but thanks for the ad hom. attack, it proves you got nothing in reponse to my point, which is facts based, to wit, McGinn's leadership and stick to his guns approach is making everyone else back off the cost overrun provision and now run for cover and hide.

    BTW governor to auditor is not a move up, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and Gregoire already declined a cab. post, andor was passed over in favor of locke, napolitana and that woman from kansas. Kansas! As far as supreme court goes…you are sort of insane. She simply doesn't have the guts or the ambition and btw the fact she didn't veto a provision she now says is unenforceable and meaningless when she had a line item veto means she broke her oath of office is a crappy lawyer who flip flops or is at best lacking in courage oof convictions. Can you imagine a confirmation hearing when she's asked this;

    “So you now say it's unconstitutional, but you didn't line item veto it, then the mayor of seattle criticized you, then you got it removed from the law?

    Why didn't you line item veto it in the first place?”

    Pretty crappy legal record. Obama would be buying into a mare's nest of problems in appointing her. Her performance legally on this cost overrun provision is rather shaky. too bad for her, she's peaked.

  • hahahahahahaha

    trust the project leaders to not have an overrun!

  • see how they run

    so funny, they're claiming it was all chopp.

    what, he voted a majority of the votes?

    what a bunch of chickens. They're not even standing up for the overrun provision they voted for.

    This shows McGinn is wise, and is being effective. He's forcing them all to back off it. Pretty soon we'll see them all start to throw in the towel and agree to take it out.

  • morning

    Just curious, what is the end game? The state has now started to relent from the strict overrun provision. They haven't raised the amount they will spend on the project. Is Mcginn hoping the price will come in too high and the state will say “oh okay, we'll just tear down the viaduct and build some streets and we'll call it good”?

    We will either get a tunnel or a new viaduct.

    If people want to end up without either, they should lobby to fix up what we have (not to 2500 year standards rather 500 year standards) and build the transit part of the S/T first.

  • Jake

    I'm noticing that Murray and others say Chopp is responsible for “the language,” not necessarily the amendment itself. Is it possible that Gregoire or someone else coerced Chopp into adding the part about Seattle paying for overruns and made him write it under protest? And that he ended up writing it vaguely enough so as to leave room for dispute (clever boy, if he did)? That would explain the inconsistencies in everyone's stories…

  • kurisu

    You're right – she's a ballbreaker. Is there anyone who enjoys kicking Seattle in the nuts more than Chris Gregoire? She line-item vetoed an option for King County to raise funding to save Metro bus service, but did nothing about the cost overrun provision.

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/bicievino bicievino

    No wonder they don't support more transit funding. Busses are dangerous!

  • dpsea

    C'mon… a Glenn Beck comparison? It's not like the guy is breaking out a chalkboard at every press conference and then weeping like a child. Maybe when he starts pimping the value of gold on everyone is when we should really get worried.

  • Donolectic

    I'm sure you have a point, I'm just not sure what it is.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    This is not the first piece of legislation that Chopp insisted had language in it but he did not actually write himself.

    Ask anybody about the last death of an arts funding bill that had to have a slice for “affordable housing”. The builders must get something in return for their efforts.

  • Johns

    We may have an economy that wants tourist tax dollars, but we do a lousy job with tourism in general. And the idea that we need to throw billions into the tunnel to encourage tourism…wow. Great waterfront does not require the tunnel.

  • seandr

    What other proposal besides the tunnel would revive the waterfront?

    The viaduct rebuild certainly wouldn't.

    Nor would Chopp's gigantic, view-blocking eyesore.

    The surface option would replace the viaduct with a big, traffic-snarled road, which is arguably worse than the viaduct.

  • Drive-By-Trucker_(Soapboxin')

    This particular element remains the biggest mystery for me. I'm the first to admit that I know very little about Chopp or the doings in Olympia. That's why it's so hard for me to wrap my mind around what the hell he was thinking, what his motives are, what his endgame is, etc. Historian up there has an account that seems well-informed, but it doesn't shed much light on it for me.

    Whatever the intent was, it sure has this whole town's panties in a bunch.