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Why Bicycle Licenses Make No Sense

The other day, during a brown-bag discussion with Mayor Mike McGinn about the ongoing budget shortfall at the city’s transportation department (SDOT), a reporter for KING-5 TV asked whether it might make sense to create a new license for cyclists. If drivers have to pay to use the roads (through license and commercial-parking fees, specifically), she asked, why should cyclists, who also use the roads, get a free pass?

So. Once more, with feeling: Here are the reasons bicyclists should not be required to pay a special license fee.

1) Cyclists already pay taxes that pay for roads. Most cyclists already have drivers’ licenses (because most cyclists also drive cars); in addition, roads are paid for with taxes that are paid for by everyone, including sales taxes (which you pay every time you make a purchase) and property taxes and levies (which you pay when you pay your mortgage or rent). The Victoria Transport Policy Institute has a good explanation of how cyclists and other non-drivers subsidize roads for automobiles here.

2) The externalities associated with riding a bicycle are positive, whereas the externalities associated with driving a car are negative. This is relevant when we’re talking about who should pay for which mode of transport: Drivers pay, in part, because driving has negative consequences for society in general.

Specifically: Driving increases a society’s overall carbon emissions, promotes suburban sprawl (and the destruction of our dwindling rural and farmland areas), and increases the amount of our urban areas that is given over to highways (e.g., the Alaskan Way Viaduct) instead of, say, city parks.

In contrast: As more people ride bikes instead of driving, positive externalities are produced, including: Cleaner air (because bikes, unlike cars, don’t produce carbon emissions), healthier people, reduced traffic congestion, a lower rate of obesity, lower health-care costs, and so on.

3) The reason states require drivers’ licenses is that driving a car is inherently dangerous to other people, and because cars are far more likely to produce (expensive)  fatalities than bikes. (This, by the way, is also the reason states require drivers to be a certain age, typically 16, while children learn to ride bikes as young as 4 or 5.)

In other words: Drivers’ licenses are tied to the use of cars, not the use of roads. In the same way that doctors are required to have a license to perform surgery (on the premise that surgery is dangerous and difficult), driving is a dangerous and difficult activity; therefore, people who want to drive should be qualified to do so. (This is why, for example, we have several “classes” of driver licenses; the more difficult a “class” is—e.g., driving an 18-wheeler big rig—the more hurdles there are to obtaining the license). Cycling is neither (inherently) dangerous nor particularly difficult; therefore, like walking, we allow people to do it for free.

In contrast, one of the main reasons for charging drivers to obtain a license is that automobile operators are responsible for tends of thousands of fatal accidents every year. License fees offset some of this expense to society. Requiring cyclists to pay a license fee would be like requiring pedestrians to pay a toll to use sidewalks—an absurdity that most members of society (including, I think, drivers) would agree disincentivizes behavior (cycling) that’s beneficial to everyone.

4) Bicycles have a minimal impact on streets; cars (and buses, and trucks) have a maximal impact. Bikes don’t significantly damage city streets, whereas cars, trucks, and buses do. So those who argue that bicyclists should pay “their share” for street maintenance aren’t actually considering what cyclists’ “share” is, compared to the cars, trucks, and buses that are producing the expensive potholes and other repair problems the city must address.

Finally:

5) Most cyclists already have driver licenses. Therefore—by the faulty standard set by those who say cyclists should “pay their share” too—they’re already paying for the roads. So those who say cyclists don’t pay their share are simply wrong, even by the faulty standard that says cyclists should pay as much as drivers, despite the fact that cycling is a net benefit to society.


  • logic police

    “Driving increases a society’s overall carbon emissions, promotes suburban sprawl (and the destruction of our dwindling rural and farmland areas), and increases the amount of our urban areas that is given over to highways (e.g., the Alaskan Way Viaduct) instead of, say, city parks.

    In contrast: As more people ride bikes instead of driving, positive externalities are produced, including: Cleaner air (because bikes, unlike cars, don’t produce carbon emissions), healthier people, reduced traffic congestion, a lower rate of obesity, lower health-care costs, and so on.”

    ECB's statements above are fallacious for the following reasons. For one, driving cars does not produce suburban sprawl. If this were the case, we would have had suburban sprawl before 1955. The correct answer is “the interstate highway produced suburban sprawl”. Just because cars and suburban sprawl are the same component of a problem, does not mean that cars are the cause.

    Second, the destruction and dwindling of farm areas– read, family farms (I guess) is due to the corporatization of food production and distribution, promugated by in part by– the interstate highway system. Same goes for Walmarts, and other anchor retailers outside of urban centers; because of agribusiness, and the globalization of production, they can offer cheaper prices, while externalizing the costs and pollution to the third world. Cars are a very small component to that. If you want to bame anything, blame the shipping container and modernization of global shipping. You can also blame the commercial real estate industry, the same people that fund politicians like McGinn.

    Next, name one urban land parcel that was slated to become a park, but instead, became a highway. In fact, the freeway reduced land that was already being used for housing. So, the issue of less urban space is related to the interstate highway system, AND also housing policy. National Housing Policy.

    Finally, bikes do not produce cleaner air. In fact, they produce no air whatsoever. Driving less produces less dirty air.

    It's not that I disagree with the idea of riding a bike as opposed to driving. I'm opposed to faulty logic and other fallacies being taken as even adequate supporting arguments. The externality of that is less critical thinking, har har.

  • joshuadf

    While this article is in theory true, in reality getting a driver's license is a joke. Nearly anyone can pass the test and the fees only cover administration. I don't see why a bike license would be any different. I would love to get a “license” for my one-year-old on her trike, though.

  • kurisu

    Cars did not eclipse other modes of transportation until the postwar era. You should not be accusing anyone of “fallacious” statements.

  • http://43rddemocrats.org Michael M.

    The idea of licensing cyclists is stupid, I agree. However, cyclists should be required to carry some sort of liability protection (they DO hit pedestrians, and they DO cause auto accidents, even if it is infrequently), and perhaps there should be some sort of license/tab for the bike itself, with all revenue dedicate to improving bike lanes and markings for bikes.

    While I fully recognize that the cost of that would likely outweigh the benefit, and that it will never happen, it does make sense. Maybe a tax on bicycles and related equipment to pay for the bike part of the walk/ride/bike plan?

  • jeffw66seattle

    Cyclists should be issued licenses for reasons unrelated to cost. They should be issued licenses so that they (like drivers) can be held accountable for failure to obey the rules of the road.

  • jeffw66seattle

    If your one-year old rides his or her trike on city streets in traffic – then he/she should damn well have a license to do so.

  • tvguide

    Erica, I heard the same dumb question and was taken aback that anyone would actually ask for a tax on bicycles when they are one of the most beneficial transportation mitigators we have. And good for you.

    What I don't understand is why you are in denial that the bored tunnel will significantly help bicycling in the city. Part of the project is a 14 foot wide dedicated (not just striped) bikeway right of way that will connect all the residents of the southwest (100,000+ residents if you consider Seattle alone, several hundred thousand if you include the SW burbs) near the waterfront. On the other hand, you support a surface plan that will jam so much into existing streets that riding a bicycle will be an extreme sport. Excuse me, but I just don't see the logic in your thinking.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Bicyclists are already short changed, as in point (1). We pay for “roads” but although surveys have shown that Americans want at least 20% of funds devoted to bikeped projects, less than 1% actually is!

  • logic police

    “Cars did not eclipse other modes of transportation until the postwar era”

    Only if you agree to stop putting words in people's mouths.

  • yes indeed

    Yes, but we all know that 20 something dudes riding fixies at 30mph in heavy traffic is so sexy, even if stupid and dangerous, and that is top of the list of all the legislative priorities of good feministas.

  • Xphil3s

    Let's think about motorcycles. You must have a special license to ride one, you have to have insurance on your motorcycle in case someone hits you, you have to have a license plate, and you have yearly tabs. I also have a car driver’s license. Why do I need all the extras of a bike? It gets 60 mpg vs my pickup truck which gets 12 mpg. There are not special lanes neither required nor requested for motorcycles. There are only 100 parking spaces throughout the city. In the spaces that require you to pay for parking you have to place your sticky tab on your headlight and then someone else takes it and you get the ticket. Why do bicyclists get a free ride when motorcycles have to pay just like a car? If bicyclists want special lanes and bike racks why shouldn’t they have to pay?

  • ivan

    If licensing bicyclists was on the ballot in a countywide election, it would win by such a landslide that heads would spin, and David Hiller's would explode. Once the cities in King County realized that they could get $20 from every bicyclist who they caught running red lights or stop signs, or talking on cell phones while cycling, it would be open season, and a great revenue cash cow.

  • Trevor

    Actually, the current ticket price for a bicyclist who runs a red light in Seattle is $124.

  • T_Chen

    You motorcyclists do get to ride in the HOV lanes, I believe. That's worth something!

  • T_Chen

    I've never seen that study, but I do wish that you're right!

  • Xphil3s

    How does a red light camera issue a ticket to a bicycle? They issue to cars and motorcycles.

  • T_Chen

    I don't see many people talking on cell phones and biking (UNLIKE drivers, where I see this frequently), but I do see a lot of hipsters blowing through stoplights. I'm cool with fining cyclists doing dangerous, illegal things on their bikes.

    BUT the potential for harm to OTHERS is much lower than for negligent or reckless behavior in an automobile, which is why we as a society rightly prioritize enforcement of safe driving.

    I'll bet if you added up all of the damages caused to OTHERS in bike-related lawsuits and compared it to car-related damages to OTHERS, the bike related damages would be a fraction of 1% of car-related damages.

  • T_Chen

    Not a bad idea, but we don't even do a good job enforcing the requirement that all drivers have insurance. And the minimum insurance requirements for drivers are a joke:

    $25,000 per person (up to 2 people) for liability to third party

    http://www.dol.wa.gov/driverslicense/insurance….

    $25k would barely cover a claim for bruised elbow, let alone the death of a mom and her minivan full of children!

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Yahtzee!

  • http://43rddemocrats.org Michael M.

    Oh, the vast majority of PI claims are far under $25k. The big ones that people hear about are, of course, much more, but the vast majority are well under 25.

    And the sad fact is that police don't really seem to enforce many laws for cyclists as it is, such as running red lights, not wearing helmets, riding on the sidewalk, etc, etc. Maybe write some more citations for that BS, and we could have a nice bump to the budget.

  • http://twitter.com/VoteSizemore Scott Sizemore

    #5 is my favorite. I'm a walk in the Walk Bike Ride family, but I also have a car. If it were up to me, there'd be grass strips instead of sidewalks so my knees wouldn't get so messed up from the impact. I would hardly call that a reasonable request either. We can't all get what we want.

  • morning

    Hard to sue bikers because they just ride off and have no license to ID them. Actually happened to a friend DT, struck by a bike while at a bus stop, broke his collarbone and the guy rode off. Although the percentage is low, not a solace to those injured or killed.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    As gas revenue goes away the tax does too, but not the cars.
    Volt, Leaf, Prius, etc..

    Tire Tax, Where the rubber meets the road.
    There are places where Mike OBrien can't toll cars (he did so).

    $5 a tire.

  • T_Chen

    That's like saying in response to someone in Baltimore complaining about the murder rate that “the vast majority of crimes committed are minor ones like jaywalking, or possession of drugs.” Or that most oil company violations are relatively minor.

    The point is, cars have the potential to do a hell of lot more than $25k in many foreseeable scenarios, and most people can't pay out of their pockets for much more than 5-figures worth of damages. Thus, we should require a lot more insurance coverage. I'd say at least $250,000 per person for liability.

  • T_Chen

    I agree. The same thing is true for pedestrian violators. They're harder to identify and hold accountable.

  • morning

    Okay, license plates for shoes.

  • morning

    The idea was to license bikes not issue driver's licenses for cyclists, right?

    If so, why a picture of a driver's license?

  • Gomez

    By this oversimplified logic businesses should not have to be licensed if they provide more benefits than costs.

    In other words… WTF kind of argument is that? How much pot do I need to smoke for this to make sense?

  • David Hiller

    Ivan:

    Licensing bicyclists, or pedestrians and other users of public rights of way for that matter, is a money loser. If you care to know, just ask the DOL. I believe there was a fiscal note some years back that showed it was a $20m cost to the state – clearly not the “cash cow” you believe it to be.

    Comments above also allude to the net social-benefit reaped by replacing heavily subsidized car-trips ($0.70-$1.30 per mile) with bicycling or walking. If you take a moment and follow the VTPI link (provided in the post above), you'll have a greater understanding of the costs and benefits of each mode of travel.

    For Xphil3s (comment below), red-light cameras are fairly rare, and are generally positioned at high-volume, high-speed, frequent-crash locations. These are not locations that people traveling by bicycle frequent.

    Most often an officer must witness an infraction to cite the operator. The same infractions apply to people traveling by bicycle or car. Cascade Bicycle Club favors rigorous enforcement across all classes of users to protect public safety and promote adherence to social norms.

    However, as speed is the single greatest determinant of crash severity and speeding is prevalent among car-users. I would hope you're in favor of arterial speed cameras as well as red light cameras. Anything we can do to mitigate the carnage left in the wake of the auto (40,000 dead, 3 million injured annually from crashes alone) is money well spent.

  • Forevergreen

    I'm not sure what being high has to do with it… unless you are now, which would explain the nonsensical argument.

    Operate an establishment, likely having one or more employees, likely serving the public or other businesses from behind the “corporate veil”, responsible for reporting revenue/assets to the state, etc.

    And this compares with riding around Seward Park with your children how?

  • Meanie

    This thread just shows that people ( in general, and on publicola ) are generally stupid, and get pissed off when they form the opinion that someone else is getting away with something they can't.

    I always love the “if they don't have a license they will BREAK LAWS AND EVADE!!” because it sounds exactly like the crap Christians spew when they talk about why athiest's are evil.

    I ride bikes, I drive, I even walk. I would gladly pay for your idiotic money sapping, not enough cops anyway to enforce anything license, license plate or special sticker, if it means I everyone has to shut up about knee jerk cyclist opinions for at least a year.

    PS: the pedestrian scofflaw must be stopped with licenses as well! walking should be regulated!

  • morning

    We shouldn't tax shoes, books, meatless restaurant meals, exercise equipment, and all things good, including businesses that provide good things. In fact, they shouldn't need a business license.

    And wineshouldbefree.

  • http://43rddemocrats.org Michael M.

    The problem with that is that the poor are the ones who get fucked, because they would in no way be able to afford those rates. People who can afford it should always carry UM/UIM coverage, but 25k is actually not a bad minimum, and only a few states have a higher minimum (with many having lower, including 10k for LA, and 15k for CA). Most auto accidents are against other cars, and cars have safety built into them to minimize the BI potential. In the rare occasion where someone is injured more than the limits allow, sometimes there are other ways to get more money, sometimes they're fucked, but pricing the poor out of legal driving is not the answer.

  • misha

    I would happily pay for a bike license if it would go to bike/ped improvements. I understand that it's not fair, and that, if anyone, drivers “should” pay for bike/ped improvements.

    But the lack of bike/ped infrastructure in this city is apalling. Something needs to happen fast. It's killing people every year and is our most urgent government and public safety emergency.

    Tax me somehow – at this point I don't care if it's fair or not. Just fix bike/ped infrastructure so drivers stop killing and injuring people year after year after year.

  • morning

    Hiller suggests that people read the study, I second the suggestion.

    The study is done by a one man anti-car shop and the analysis is pathetic.

    He ignores the fact that gas taxes and other car revenues are used by cities.

    His hypothetical driver and biker are completely unrealistic. The driver is supposed to drive 10,000 miles on city streets. It would be a rare driver that would put that many miles on city streets. Most miles are on freeways and state highways. He states that at least some non-drivers are economically disadvantaged but assumes the car driver and biker will pay the same amount of general taxes. He doesn't have any costs that are dedicated to non-auto infrastructure.

    Here the 2010 SDOT budget includes $22M from parking taxes and $13M from gas taxes. Parking fines go to the general fund.

    Litman also ignores that the biker “uses” the streets for home delivery since she can't transport many items by bike.

    Litman's chart shows that 60% of roads are paid for directly by auto taxes` and fees. Since 85% of trips or more are by autos those people also pay the bulk of general taxes.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    I have no problem with licensing religion, speaking as a person of religion.

  • Go 'way, 'baitin'!

    If you're talking about the state of Washington, motorcyclists are not required to have insurance. If you're talking about the vast majority of motorcycles in the US (55% are Harleys and most of the rest are 600-1000 cc 4-cylinder sportbikes), they don't get anywhere near 60 mpg. Try more like 30, maybe 35 mpg if you ride like a little old lady. And Federal law mandates that motorcycles are privileged to have access to all HOV lanes whether the local jurisdiction wants them to have it or not, all because some Senator years ago had a love for motorcycles (Ben Nighthorse Campbell? I don't remember).

    The special $50 extra that you pay for a motorcycle license is spent to subsidize the cost of the MSF beginners rider course, so it costs $100 instead of $250+, to help save the lives of new riders. It isn't to benefit car drivers or anybody else except motorcyclists.

    And anybody who commutes to downtown Seattle knows there are dozens of completely free motorcycle parking spots that the city by tradition chooses to ignore rather than enforce parking laws on.

    I think the only thing you're not wrong about is the parking stickies. Although in NYC they aren't even sticky! Motorcycles can't use them at all and have to look for a coin op meter.

  • Gomez

    Re-reading the post, it appears the post has since been edited/rewritten a bit, so my original comment is in response to a statement that is no longer there. I read through the post twice just to see if I missed it, but it's definitely a different post than I responded to just a few hours ago.

    And that's totally cool. Perhaps the cited argument didn't quite say what ECB meant and an edit was needed. The argument as it's written now makes better sense and is one I can generally agree with.

    (-5 is ECB tries to claim she never edited the post.)

  • eric

    What a load of c**p. Cars no more cause suburban sprawl than boats cause rising sea levels. Explain why riding a motorcycle or scooter requires a more costly drivers license than a car or SUV if licensing is tied to the danger posed to others? We get it ECB you like bikes. You'd vote for anyone who rides or pretends to ride a bike. But you don't have to make stuff up to support your position. What you and the other car haters seem to completely ignore is that business owners, you know, those of us who create jobs and pay the taxes to fund your bicycle paths, cannot run our businesses on bicycles. Your Utopian fantasy of everyone riding around on bicycles ignores business, the elderly, the physically disabled. Bicycling is great for some people, but it will never ever exceed a very small percentage of the commuting public in Seattle.

  • Brent

    If you carry auto insurance, you may already have liability protection. This is certainly the case with my insurance, which covers me in my car, in a rental, and on a bicycle.

  • TMN

    “Maybe a tax on bicycles and related equipment to pay for the bike part of the walk/ride/bike plan?”

    I'm pretty sure they're already paying for the “bike part” through the local sales and property taxes which are the primary funding for city roads.

  • ceryous

    Licenses do not pay for roads, car registration is where you get dinged for weight and light rail fees. Licenses are for enforcement of traffic laws. Even 5 year olds should be taught the importance of proper ridership, otherwise a bicycle is just an invitation to injury or death.

    Pedestrians typically only cross the road they do not enter the travel lane unless they have some death wish. Anyone in the travel lane must have knowledge of traffic laws.

  • Brent

    1) I appreciate your argument that the highway made sprawl possible, but I'm not sure whether it makes a different point. The interstate highway system wouldn't exist without cars, although cars do fine without it, and produce sprawl nonetheless. My hometown of Los Angeles is the poster child for sprawl, whether urban or suburban (whatever the difference is), and was sprawling its way across southern California even before the interstates were built.

    2) The car, as such, perhaps has less to do with farm corportization than, say, tractors, but motorization in general is probably a large component of it. Without the internal combustion engine, factory farms wouldn't be possible, or at the very least, wouldn't be likely.

    3) Our highway system was built over whatever got in its way, whether housing or parks or farmland or whatever. It cut farmers off from their land, produced prosperity where it went, and caused devastation where it didn't. Whole towns died, neighborhoods were fractured, property values plummeted. Incidentally, I suppose I can name at least one park that has a highway through it: Presidio Park in San Francisco, where Highway 1/101 famously takes travelers to Golden Gate Bridge.

    4) You're logically right that bikes don't produce air, but to what end the logic? With respect, I might point out that strictly speaking, driving less has no effect at all on air quality, unless I also make a bunch of assumptions: that my car, in fact, produces dirty emissions; that I drive it less (i.e., I drive my Prius less instead of buying a Hummer and driving it less); that the substitute I use instead of driving (flying?) doesn't actually produce more emissions; etc. In this case, I believe it's a widely accepted notion that bicycling more means driving less, and as you point out, driving less implicitly means less dirty air.

  • Brent

    Bicyclists already can be held accountable, even without a license, just as a jaywalker can be held accountable, even without a license.

  • Brent

    In your estimation, what causes sprawl?

  • jeffw66seattle

    Nonsense. When was the last time a pedestrian had their license to walk suspended or revoked?

  • NoSpin

    Pedestrians use sidewalks that cost money, and they sometimes jaywalk and violate other laws that require enforcement – we should require people to buy a license to walk.

  • BFD

    cyclists should support licensing out of machiavellian, power politics, something they're pretty crappy at. I mean they have this great thing, cycling, yet they count it as a huge win if SDOT builds 20 miles of cycle tracks a year?!?

    By supporting licensing they'd gain public image soooo much sooooo quickly. They'd slam away at the arrogant, elitist, holier than thou image they have, to some degree, a justified image — “hi I am an official bike spokesperson and I am proud to say I don't stop at stop signs!!” — they'd show they're “one of us” (us being the 97% who don't ride on city streets).

    It's always tempting for a minority to message itself as the poor downtrodden victims and in effect have a message of “hey majority! fuck you, you're oppressing us!” and that's the tenor of most of the above posts. A better message is “hey, we're all uniting in our core values! We support responsiblie use of streets by bikes AND cars! We've taken care of equalizing ourselves with licenses!~ Now, we're paying in and you can't say we're freeloaders!”

    But this will not happen as in fact there are a bit too many of the spandex elitists who're more concerned to be morally supeior than to actually bring about social change with messages, policies and positions that work.

    (BTW, my first ten speed was when I lived in a town that licensed. Twenty bucks. One time fee. Big fucking deal! It's still on that bike from 25 years ago. If someone stole my bike I'd at least have a way of proving it was my bike! Dogs and cats are beneficial and nice and shit, too we license them, the complete hysteria of the bikelitist crowd is funny on this issue!)

  • T_Chen

    Are you suggesting that most people are the elderly, disabled, and business people making business deliveries of large, heavy goods?

  • T_Chen

    If the odds of serious accidents are so low, as you suggest, then premiums should be pretty reasonable, right?

    But you know what, driving is not a fundamental right. If you can't afford to clean up the mess you make when you break bones and destroy lives, you shouldn't be able to drive. If the choice is between pricing the poor out of driving and creating a policy that allows victims of horrific accidents (some of whom are poor) to be properly compensated and taken care of, I'll side with the victims.

    It says something sad about how we have so elevated the automobile that we are willing to accept the notion that driving is so important that we can just glibly dismiss people who get “fucked” sometimes by people driving without insurance/adequate insurance who negligently or recklessly kill or maim them. This is not the society I want to live in.

  • Brent

    Funny. Is this a semantics issue?

    Cars and drivers, of course, have a dual system, with the car being registered (“license plate”) and the driver being licensed (“driver's license”) We don't always think of it as a dual system, though, because we use the same word for both — a license.

    When I was a kid, we were supposed to have our bicycles “licensed” — registered, really — with the city. Bicycle registration, though, turned out to be a joke. It cost the city more to implement it than the fees brought in, and it didn't appreciably raise rider accountability or theft recovery rates.

    The idea of getting a “riders' license” for a bicycle has never been attempted anywhere, in any jurisdiction, to my knowledge. (The Dutch have a training class in grammar school and issue certificates, but I think they're just decoration.) In fact, I don't believe any human powered transit has ever required a license — neither walking nor skateboarding nor Big Wheeling nor inline skating. But despite no license, human powered transiters can always be nabbed and ticketed for failure to obey the rules of the road.

  • http://43rddemocrats.org Michael M.

    Exactly. And most policies have this little piece in them. I'm specifically referring to people who don't own a car at all, and never drive (which I believe covers Erica)

  • http://43rddemocrats.org Michael M.

    My understanding is that the Mayor's current idea has no source of direct funding. I'm alluding to something similar to what was done for one of the stadiums – a special tax on stuff from the stores from the team, or something to that effect (as well as, I believe, a hotel/motel tax increase).

    I agree that it isn't right, and as David points out below, there should be more of a subsidy for cyclists, to the same level as there are for cars (and, even further, the State should, IMO, change the law that requires all gas taxes to go towards roads), but as a way to start and create the infrastructure, a short term (5-10 year) tax would give an opportunity to jump start the cycling portion.

  • BombasticMo

    Cyclists are legally allowed to ride on the sidewalk. Just like they are allowed to ride in the road. It's one of the benefits of being a hybrid, and is in part because some drivers seem to be all too keen on terrorizing the cyclists that are in the road.

    The law for the sidewalk is that you must be going at a reasonable speed and yield to pedestrians.

    I'm not going to defend someone shooting down a sidewalk at crazy speeds, if they're going fast, they should be in the road, but let's not get angry at cyclists who are following the laws and perhaps fearful of being run over.

  • ceryous

    Snowmobiles, boats, trailers and motorcycles all need to be registered. Most vehicles in King, Snohomish and Pierce counties must pay a RTA fee, which strictly speaking, doesn't benefit drivers.

    Motorcycles, automobiles and commerical drivers are licensed. They are required to know the rules of the road. Boaters are required to take a mandatory boater education course.

  • Algernon

    Licensing bicyclists is without much value. But bicyclists, wanting to be respected as vehicles, should be accountable for violations. So, bicyclists over the age of 16 should be obliged to carry either a license or state id card and, if ticketed and convicted, it should go on their driving record. I mostly bike. Of course, I run (slowly) stop signs (California stop? Idaho stop?). I do honor traffic lights. I want to use the street, just like cars, so I should have the same expectation of auto drivers: if caught, I not only pay, I get a record.

  • bread and roses

    According to my Polish friend, you had to have a cycle license to ride a bike in Poland in the communist era. You also had to have a boating license to boat, and a swimming license to swim. He said it was an exciting rite of passage to get each one (You couldn't get each until you reached a certain age- I think it was 10 for boating) because it dramatically expanded the amount of world you could get to on your own.

  • eric

    Freeways, cheaper housing, better schools, etc. If cars caused sprawl then why was there no sprawl prior to the development of the interstate freeway system?

  • eric

    I run multiple businesses and would not be able to do so by bicycle or transit. When transit fails to serve our employees, such as snow storms, etc. I pick them up and bring them to work. I have to make frequent runs to get supplies, replacement equipment, etc. virtually none of which would be possible to carry on a bicycle. Bicyclists make up only about 2 to 3% of Seattle commuters, even less in the winter. I'm not anti bicycle, it's just myopic and foolish to think that Seattle, no matter what it does to accommodate bicycling will ever get past 6 to 8% of commutes by bicycle. And without a modern and expansive transit system as an alternative, cars, whether powered by gas, diesel, hydrogen, electricity, etc. will be the primary mode of transportation of well over half of the commuters in the city. To pretend otherwise is pure fantasy.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SAQ6R2ZBGQQNNBXVJZG66K6KY Mickymse

    Doh! I didn't mean to “like” this one… I meant to hit “reply” to say that the bikeway has absolutely nothing to do with the bored tunnel proposal. There's absolutely no reason why a bikeway would not be a part of whatever replacement proposal is decided upon in the corridor.

    And, while I think the “extreme sport” traffic argument will not come to pass with a surface option, it certainly would be no less safe, noisy, or crowded than a number of other heavily used bicycle trails around our area and the world that run past major roadways.

  • Steve

    That means 40% of roads aren't, i.e. a 40% subsidy from those who don't own cars or drive.

    You're welcome.

  • Some Dude

    I like this idea. If we tax cars for tabs and gasoline because the infrastructure/repairs goes directly to benefit the people being taxed, why don't we just add a tax to bicycles and bicycle parts that goes straight to supporting cycling infrastructure improvements? add a 10% tax to all bicycle and bicycle part sales. forget licensing the cyclist, just tax the equipment. if bicyclists are really so adamant that they have funding, then they should have no problem adding a little extra to pay for the facilities that they use.

  • Nemo

    Differentiate between bicycle driving licenses, and license plates. A lot of the bicyclists I have seen would lose their driver's licenses for doing what they do on their bicycles in a motorized vehicle.

    License plates could help pay for the bike lanes. Extra motorized vehicle fees should stay with things related to those fees, like street repairs and signage, that actually benefits ALL forms of transportation.

  • Sigh

    Hallelujah! I've been arguing this point on Publicola for months. Thank you Eric.

  • T_Chen

    Hallelujah? Eric's point did not address my point, which is that while some road users truly have no other alternatives, most users do. This is a strawman argument that people who want to make walking, biking and transit more viable options want to abolish the automobile or believe that everything can be done on a bike. Furthermore, the sums being spent to encourage safer and more enjoyable bike use are modest and inexpensive compared to other forms of transit.

    Have you ever been in the HOV lane around rush hour zipping by person after person sitting by him or herself surrounded by 4000 pounds of glass, rubber and steel? If only businesses making deliveries of large items, or the disabled or elderly (some of whom can't or shouldn't drive and need reliable public transit), and multiple occupant vehicles were using the roads we wouldn't have congestion.

  • Tangent

    Bicycle license makes a lot of sense if cyclists want to be taken seriously as stakeholders w/r/t transportation issues. Even by the City's own figures cyclists are a tiny minority of all road users … yet much of civic effort is expended on creating facilities strictly for the benefit of 5% or less of commuters.

    Cyclists want equal representation, yet they do not pay into the system at the same rates (no gas tax, no insurance, etc). Apparently extra taxation is viewed as being a deterrent to get people to bike when in fact gas tax rates have had no significant impact on either the number of people driving or miles driven.

    Erica's apologist rant only serves to further illustrate the wedge between the cycling community and the rest of the region. By painting themselves as elitist twats who shouldn't deign to be offended by paying anything as base as use taxes, they lessen their credibility.

    “Drivers pay, in part, because driving has negative consequences for society in general.”

    Really? As pointed out above, businesses that cannot deliver products or services by bicycle have negative consequences for society? Bunk.

  • wes kirkman

    Yah, and those pesky pedestrians too! They need licenses to walk on city streets or else, take a hike buddy (but not on city streets; stay home or something).

  • wes kirkman

    $20? man i wish. just for riding a bike without a helmet cost me $100 a couple months ago. I think you can park your car on the sidewalk in the middle of downtown and receive a smaller penalty.

  • anti-sloppy writing

    Semantics perhaps because I understand ECB's intent, but a positive externality in economic terms is when something YOU do affects OTHER people. So me riding a bike makes ME healthier and less likely to be obese, but not OTHER people. That's not an externality – I capture all of the health benefits from me riding my bike. (You could argue that if I'm healthier I may be less of a drain on the healthcare system, which does affect other people… but riding my bike may also mean I'm more likely to suffer an injury, which would negate that effect.) Also, riding my bike does not actually produce cleaner air or less traffic unless my only other alternative was driving my car.

    I'm not arguing the intent, but it's a bit of sloppy writing and an attempt to incorrectly use economic jargon to make a more academic sounding argument.

  • anti-sloppy writing

    Meant to say, “a positive externality in economic terms is when something YOU do affects OTHER people in a beneficial way.”

  • Eric B

    If you look at Los Angeles, Caltrans built our freeways through the cheapest land possible–parkland already owned by the government. Griffith Park has freeways running on two of four sides on land that used to be part of the park. Echo Park is cut in half by the 101 Freeway, which continues to cause air quality problems for the park users.

  • kurisu

    are you going to change your name, then?

  • Brent

    We had sprawl before the freeway system; just look at Los Angeles, which was sprawling itself over the Santa Monica Mountains in the 1920s. The car made mountain living possible and even desirable, where for many centuries before you might generally see only cranks, oddballs, and the poor living in the mountains. It was just too hard to get up there!

    Strictly speaking, of course, population growth lies at the source of sprawl. Without growth, demand for land would remain lax and prices cheap. But without the car, you would also have denser cities. If you look at the contours of old Rome, for instance, you'll find a relatively small city sprawl-wise — you can walk it end to end in a day or so — but one which had some million people (estimates vary widely) at its ancient peak.

  • Brent

    Thanks for that. I've been searching for days to find a counter-example. I'll have to ask my friend who grew up in East Germany if she faced similar licensing laws.

  • wds

    Hey, it's only fair. If cyclists have to abide by the same registration laws as drivers, then cat owners must abide by the same rules as dog owners. You better put em on a leash and scoop up the crap. It's only fair :)

  • Alex francis burchard

    Actually, If I remember my urban history course correctly, Streetcars caused sprawl in Los Angeles, as they once went great distances throughout the city, and beyond. L.A.'s railroads and streetcars allowed it to expand, and highways then accelerated it later on, but, originally, streetcars did it.

  • Johns

    We don't enforce laws on motorists failing to yield for pedestrians, or failing to allow transit vehicles back into traffic, either. Far more $$ available there.

  • Johns

    Jeff, I was pulled over on my bicycle once…over 20 years ago now. The officer asked for my driver's license; I didn't have one, but I did give him my home address and phone number. If he wanted to write me a ticket, he could have, based on that. I suspect there are very, very few people (I was 16 at the time) who don't have either a driver's license or valid state ID.

  • Alex francis burchard

    Bicyclists should willingly accept a license as a PR move.
    Most normal people view bicyclists as a bunch of ultra-liberal holier-than-thou people who think they are saving the world and are above the law. People really don't A) Understand that you are saving the world, they arent going to read this and understand, and B) Many of them just Don't Care! Going by the comments here, they don't seem that far off. I ride my bike to school, to work, etc. I would be totally fine with paying $20 a year to ride my bike, it still beats $2000/yr for transit or $6000+/yr for a car.
    Bicyclists Rarely get good press, if we brought on a user fee on ourselves, we would get tremendously good press! and many more people might see on our level a bit! This Don't tax it its good for you argument is Crap and needs to go away. Sure, its true, But, NO ONE CARES. so get over it and be willing to pay a small fee, and do EVERYONE a favor

  • Sadiecakes

    if the cyclist is fearful, he should pull off to the side of the road and let
    the car pass….it’s as simple as that……esp if it is a hilly road. the people in cars behind cannot see over the hills to pass and when your
    finally up on top of the hill and able to pass, you can’t because another
    car is coming from the opposite direction…then we’re on to the next hill
    and the stupid cyclist isn’t smart enough to turn around and see there is
    15 cars wanting to get home sometime that day. What control that
    cyclist has over the autos….yah that’s it….he’s finally in control of something in life

  • Sadiecakes

    the police can ticket a person walking down the sidewalk that is drunk
    and put him in jail—-I’m not sure if he could lose his license or not.
    (Michigan)

  • Sadiecakes

    two of my friends were visiting Chicago a couple years ago. they were
    at a cross walk and a biker hit both of them and he got up and took off.
    both ladies were injured. One received a concusion and cannot hear out
    of one ear, only a constant ringing to this day.

  • Sadiecakes

    The ‘money loser’ was probably the ‘money manager’

  • http://www.montaguebikes.com LBJ

    This is a really nicely presented argument for why drivers should be subject to more supervision than cyclists. But since cyclists are not as regulated as drivers, there is the additional question of whether they should follow the same laws, and how enforcement should be handled. You might want to check this out: http://www.montaguebikes.com/folding-bikes-blog/2011/02/should-cyclists-and-motorists-be-subject-to-the-same-laws/

  • http://www.montaguebikes.com LBJ

    This is a really nicely presented argument for why drivers should be subject to more supervision than cyclists. But since cyclists are not as regulated as drivers, there is the additional question of whether they should follow the same laws, and how enforcement should be handled. You might want to check this out: http://www.montaguebikes.com/folding-bikes-blog/2011/02/should-cyclists-and-motorists-be-subject-to-the-same-laws/

  • http://www.montaguebikes.com LBJ

    This is a really nicely presented argument for why drivers should be subject to more supervision than cyclists. But since cyclists are not as regulated as drivers, there is the additional question of whether they should follow the same laws, and how enforcement should be handled. You might want to check this out: http://www.montaguebikes.com/folding-bikes-blog/2011/02/should-cyclists-and-motorists-be-subject-to-the-same-laws/