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It’s the Contract, Stupid.

There was an exchange at the June 28 special Alaskan Way Viaduct Committee meeting that deserves attention—mainly because it answers the question Mayor Mike McGinn has been asking. (However, it’s probably not the answer he wants to hear.)

“We’re just asking a simple question,” McGinn spokesman Aaron Pickus says. “Who will pay for cost overruns when the tunnel goes over budget? We ask that question and we get accused of playing politics, of trying to sabotage the tunnel. But it’s a fair question.” (It’s also a rhetorical question. The answer, according to McGinn, is that the city is on the hook for the money. And that’s his political hook to stop the project.)

The mayor should review the simple exchange (check it out at at the 26:18 mark), between council member Sally Bagshaw and SDOT viaduct project manager Bob Chandler at the late June meeting. Because the answer to the overruns question is right there, and it’s a reality check on the claim that the city will be held responsible for any cost overruns on the deep bore tunnel contract.

Sally Bagshaw: Will the city be a signator to that [the deep bore tunnel construction contract] or not?

Chandler: The city will not be a signator to that. This is a WSDOT [Washington State Department of Transportation] contract. The contract with the design builder or subsequent contractors will be with the state. The city may be contracting for certain utility re-locations that are [a] responsibility for the city—or those may be done by the state under state contract—but the the actual tunnel boring would be a state contract

Bagshaw: I think some concern has been raised about who is going to control the risk and the responsibility of the deep bore tunnel and the actual digging of it. And the city is not responsible for that piece of the contract, correct?

Chandler: That’s correct. And the agreements … specify that the state will be responsible for both building the tunnel, mitigating any impacts of the tunnel, and remedying any issues that develop during construction.

Bagshaw: Thank you.

The significance of what Chandler said is this: The state and the team that ultimately builds the tunnel—led by either Dragados USA or S.A. Healey Co.—will be the only two parties on the contract. And that contract—as all construction contracts do—will divvy up responsibility for all the costs between the two parties, including the responsibility for any cost overruns.

Who covers the extra ten gazillion dollars for unforeseen seismic issues, for example? The contract will decide. That’s why you have contracts. Given that the city is not a signator to the contract, it can’t be assigned any responsibility for cost overruns. It would be absurd. It’d be like the Department of Defense signing a contract with Boeing that says McDonald’s will cover the costs for any screw ups.

“We cannot be held responsible for an agreement between the state and the contractor,” Bagshaw says.

Her pro-tunnel council ally, council member Tim Burgess, adds: “We don’t have liability. It’s not our project.”

McGinn’s spokesman Pickus, however, says the state won’t agree to a contract that assigns liability for cost overruns to the state. “Are they going to sign a contract that breaks their own law?” he asks, referring to the infamous provision in the state’s viaduct legislation that says Seattle property owners will have to pay for any cost overruns.

Of course, that raises the question of whether or not the state provision is even enforceable—most observers (including McGinn ally and tunnel opponent, City Council member Mike O’Brien) don’t think it is. “Their intent was to make us pay, but it’s not enforceable,” O’Brien says.

However, that’s not any comfort to O’Brien (who, by the way, also agreed that “the city is not a party to the tunnel contract.”) O’Brien foresees a situation where the tunnel contract assigns overrun costs to the state and not the city, but in which the state finds itself running out of money. In that case, O’Brien predicts, the state will “have to go to the legislature and say, ‘we need more money.’ And the legislature will say, ‘Well, it’s time for us to tax the city, just like we said we would.’”




  • tvguide

    It seems pretty obvious that our little attorney McGinn will come up with more legal issues if this one is resolved and that his ultimate objective is to stop the project by any means he can. His cowardly approach, avoiding any solution of his own, or even discussing the real reasons he opposes the project, shows a inner character unworthy of representing this city.

  • http://twitter.com/VoteSizemore Scott Sizemore

    Not to nitpick, but if the legislature taxes the state and Seattle is part of said state… Then not just Seattle property owners, but everyone is liable for taxes on the project. Is it better that Spokane will have to pay overruns for a tunnel that they'll never see, or if Seattle pays for a tunnel it might not want?

  • Louisb

    Go Bagshaw. I am sure the Mayor will go back to his bag of lies.

  • tvguide

    That is a good point. Better to worry about getting the project built on budget rather than wasting time worrying who pays for potential overruns. We will pay regardless if this project goes over budget. I heard the Mayor earlier today beaming with pride that he managed to scare off another bidder on the project. Seattle has a terrible reputation ever since the monorail got assassinated. Why would bidders want to spend $50 million to put together a proper design/build contract when the plug could be pulled after they invest all that money?

  • tpn

    Didn't Licata say this weeks ago?

  • NordicGal

    Let's consider what is likely to happen if, through some fluke, McGinn and O'Brien got their way and blocked the deep bore tunnel. The most likely outcome of that just might be that the state would build all those old RTID projects that McGinn and O'Brien oppose, including the Cross Base freeway.

    The reason: there is no question that the money currently in the budget for the tunnel would be moved to other projects in other parts of the state. The RTID projects – and other projects to build new highways in other parts of the state, would benefit.

    Everyone who actually knows anything about how this works believes this. The former WSDOT leader said as much again yesterday. The tunnel haters, are the only people I know of who don't agree that the money will leave Seattle in a hurry. But none of the tunnel hating crowd seems capable of accomplishing anything in the state legislature, even really easy things. So why would anyone trust their opinions on this topic?

    McGinn has worked his way to this: he is so radioactive in Olympia that few, if any, other leaders from any other city in the state seem to want to be seen anywhere near him. Check it out. It is an amazing accomplishment for six short months in office.

    Looks to me like there's more credibility in the idea that the deep bore is really the green alternative than I've been reading on this blog. At least you have to consider the possibility that in turning away a billion or so bucks to redevelop Seattle's waterfront – with the result being that the money goes to build hundreds of miles of new roads where there aren't any right now is a pretty big backfire on the sustainability front.

    It is not going to get better for the McGinn crowd anytime soon in the state legislature. Everyone who knows anything is predicting that there will be lots more Republicans in the legislature in the next two years, and Democrats who keep track of these types of things are already blaming the McGinn crowd for making a bad year for democrats – far worse. Just wait to see what shows up in mailboxes of voters outside Seattle in late October.

  • hobgoblin

    Memo to Pickus: It ain't a law and the answer is yes, the state will sign a contract that ignores that statement.

  • MudBaby

    Earth to Seattles Big Spoiled Brat/Crybaby mayor: “This is a WSDOT [Washington State Department of Transportation] contract.”

  • Louisb

    Exactly. The Mikes do not seem to grasp that if we jeopardize the tunnel, we jeopardize the funding. And once that happens, the Mikes will have no where to turn to talk about overruns because Seattle will be responsible for 100%.

  • Gomez

    Yeah, but it goes without saying that any costs the State bears will be paid for by a taxpayer base that includes Seattle residents. That's like saying water is wet.

  • Dt

    This might well be McGinn's endgame. I suspect he'd be happy to have the money go elsewhere, as long as the state pays the $200 million to remove the Viaduct.

  • Grammar Check

    Someone might want to fix the grammar and syntax in this memo before Pickus gets it because it's a bit unclear in its current format

  • Anc

    The Monorail wasn't 'assassinated' it's financing plan was built on best case scenarios and sketchy funding. Once that became apparent it was abandoned (rightfully IMO).

    Hmmm…. wonder if history will repeat itself?

  • hobgoblin

    Fair enough, although I'm still not going to fix it. I think an unclear statement is somewhat fitting, in this case.

  • TranspoGuy

    Yes, he did. That's why the concerns raised by Licata are the ones we should really worry about. Additionally, O'Brien and McGinn have argued that the state can “get us” later in the likely event that the project does have overruns. So, yeah, the contractor is not going to send a bill to the city for change orders, and the state is not going to start taxing city residents for overruns. However, Licata's concerns about overruns on the tunnel causing the state to cut corners on the waterfront and street grid contracts, along with McGinn and O'Brien's concerns about the state shorting Seattle in some other way, are valid ones.

  • TranspoGuy

    I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss his argument. Yeah, sure, WSDOT fully intends to sign a contract where it's responsible for the overruns on the tunnel construction. But, the state law could provide grounds for a citizen to sue to enforce the legislature's stated intent to protect the state from any responsibility for overruns.

    In other words, whether you like this project or not, you have to admit the legislature has created a real mess.

  • Appalled

    Jesus Christ, the whole City is arguing with Aaron Pickus? According to his profiles, he graduated high school in 2004. And a mere 6 years later, he's qualified to be leading a Citywide debate on complex legal and contractual issues? WTF? How on earth did Seattle stoop to the level of arguing with children? Have you seen Pickus? He looks about 12 still. And we have to have this debate like this? Jesus, McGinn has such terrible judgement on many fronts, most notably his staff picks. Juvenile players makes for juvenile public discourse.

  • misha

    Huh? The Cross Base freeway and many other new highways are already being built by WSDOT.

    http://www.publicola.net/2010/04/06/roads-and-t…

    What an absurd argument, anyway. Are you for putting a toxic landfill in downtown Seattle because landfill money might go somewhere else instead? How about moving that Hanford nuclear waste into downtown Seattle so the money doesn't go somewhere else?

  • misha

    Wow. Did you completely ignore the past 18 months? McGinn has been talking nonstop about the reasons he opposes the tunnel and providing detailed solutions. You remember, the reason he won the mayoral election against a two-term incumbent and a wealthy establishment-backed candidate?

    http://mcginnformayor.com/category/tunnel/

  • L. T. Gator

    Your legal analysis is inadequate. First, every contract is subject to state law. State law will say that the state contribution is capped, and the city pays the overruns. The contractor is subject to that law and can't go after the state for the overruns. The contractor has rights under that law and can go after the city.

    Second, “third party beneficiary.” You can sue under someone else's contract. Duh. this is fairly common. the test is whether you were an intended beneficiary of the contract. So, there's going to be a contract between the city and the state…..and if it doesn't negate the cost overrun provision the way McGinn wants, it can either expressly or impliedly incorporate the state law provision; and the contractor can sue the city.

    Third point. (Yes, we lawyer get paid the big bucks to come up with theories): it'd be freaking unjust for the contractor to pay the overruns if the contract with the state doesn't require it to. (If it does, it's arguably contrary to state law on the cap provision anyway, so that'd be unenforceable). Here's a few words for the nonlawyers out there:

    quantum meruit

    unjust enrichment.

    these two are handy dandy doctrines for suing someone when you don't have a contract with them.

    Didja know you could do that? You can. The first is when someone gets a benefit under circumstances under which it's clear it was not a gift…and making him pay for it would be fair….and no contract covers the situation (the point you're making in your highly limited and amateur analysis). Here, clearly, Seattle benefits because this whole deal is to allow it to not have a rebuilt viaduct and get it the waterfront and that's the benefit so a court could rule it's just for Seattle to pay. That's quantum meruit (“what's it worth, dudius?”). Now unjust enrichment is even more of a catch all that can be applied where…get this….the test is “whether or not it would be unjust to leave the enriched party with the benefit without making them pay”. Same analysys.

    Okay, I came up with those in 12 minutes. At my rate of $350 an hour please forward $70.00. Of course, a contractor with a cost overrun that's perhaps $100 million or $400 million or perhaps $2 billion will be able to afford even more lawyering than that.

    And here's the final point. (um, make that $105, please)….before all this litigation meltdown would occur, the contractor builds into the overall risk assessment the risk of “I will be stuck doing overrun work and I will have to sue everyone in sight to get paid” and so they just jack up the bid price accordingly before they start, and so does the competitor, so we begin paying even before a litigation meltdown.

    Seriously, you think some contractor's not going to figure out a way to sue the city? You are smoking high grade hashish, amigo.

    (WPPS is a good example of a contract being unenforceable due to state law provisions…the contract isn't the end of the story, is the main point).

  • joanne

    You know what's worse than arguing with children? Losing the argument.

  • guess again

    The “fun” part of the council meetings is having the state testify that they are responsible for the contract. They supply this admission every week for the past 4 weeks. They aint just talkin', they always clarify for the “record” that this is the state's portion, contract, obligation.

    Have good time defining “Seattle area”, lookout White Center!

    Sure, anybody can sue the city, that doesn't mean they have a good case.
    Ok, check's in the mail, go wait outside.

  • Payp R. Shaze

    you know, “it's the contract, stupid” was what corporations used to say when there was a defective product, like a defective…Buick?

    So you buy a Buick, see, and you drive it and it's defective and it kills your wife and your child and your best friend.

    So you sue the Buick company, um GM I guess, you know what they used to say?

    “It's the contract stupid! Your Honor WE DID NOT HAVE A CONTRACT with the friend, the kid or the wife, only the guy who bought the car can sue us!”

    this is called privity of contract.

    Well guess what. Long about, oh, I dunno, 1938 or something a famous judge in new york said that's crazy, the “it's the contract stupid” argument makes no fucking sense, and they let the wife, then kids and the friend, sue.

    The point being that law isn't as rigid as your headline suggests, there's a fluidity to it; that's what we do for three years in law school, We practice those fluidity based argument tactics…..oh, it's NEVER clear……

    Now think about it. there's a big overrun. Who should pay in equity?

    The contractor? If your answer is yes (this seems to be the Conlin position) they'll build it into their bid from the start. Expect very big bids busting the budget on day one.

    The state? Not fair, the law says they're capped. You can't have judge made equity override state law.

    The city? Very possibly — they knew the law said they'd pay, lookit that agreement with the state, they didn't deny they would pay! (If Conlin et al. get their way).

    And the history is they got their waterfront when the state wanted to do a rebuild.

    Oh, this would be fun to litigate!

    for any of the three sides.

    I would expect the legal fees alone to be about 5 million for each party. You do know that when they litigate they start with things like “dear city give us every document relating to the DBT since day one” and it takes lots and lots of three hundred dollar an hour hours to read them all and database them all….

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Oh no, the fun part is the council inserting into legislation that it has the right to override the mayor's veto of emergency legislation, while arguing that a different legislative body has the right to write into legislation a tax on a specific municipality.

    That mouth has two sides.

  • ceryous

    @misha
    Did you read the article you posted? It references PSRC's future plans none of the projects listed in the article have funding.

    You take the cake for absurd arguments. Are you actually comparing the tunnel proposal to a nuclear waste dump?

    The bored tunnel is the only option to replace the viaduct. The state will remove the existing viaduct regardless. However if the city is able to prevent the tunnel, the gas tax will not and cannot be used for the surface/transit hybrid.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Is anyone putting it past our good pal from Camano pushing a bill that says all taxpayers are equal in the new Tunnel Tax, but Seattle taxpayers are more equal?

  • Soapboxin'

    Thank you so much for that. The longer this sturm and drang goes on, the more I'm convinced that the tunnel haters, while well-intentioned, need to just shut the f*** up and let us focus on the engineering of the funded project. I'm sorry to be so crude, but I've had enough of this polarizing debate. Surface transit has a lot to offer, but it lost. Get over it.

  • Soapboxin'

    I often look back fondly upon the idealism of my youth, and think that perhaps I actually knew better back then; that I was somehow more pure and right. But when I compare that to all of the experience I've gained since then, in life lessons and professionally, there's really no doubt that I'm a smarter, more insightful, and more nuanced person than the bright, lovable, energetic guy I was at 24. And Aaron Pickus did not win the argument.

  • sarah68

    As far as I know, they still don't let dead people sue. Your Buick owner could sue for loss of consortium but I don't know how that would relate to the issue at hand.

    And I doubt if you, as a $300/hr attorney, enter documents into a database. If you charge that for reviewing them and then have a $100/hr paralegal enter them or a $40/hr clerk enter them but you still bill $300/hr for it, you're a crook.

    So I'm not sure you're the one who should get that lucrative litigation case.

  • Good_Grief

    Actually, the reason he won the election (by a very slim margin against a pretty uninspiring opponent), is because he did his pseudo-flip on the tunnel at that last minute. Enough people bough into his BS to get him elected. He was a one-issue pony in the primary, and that served him well and got him through, but he had to hide his true intentions to win the general.

    Interesting details about the contract — it's become clear since he took office that his statements right before the election were lies. I am looking forward to whatever new objection/obstruction he and the Mercury Group Cadre come up with next.

  • Good_Grief

    That could be true about his intentions, although it's a bit of a game of chicken to hope that the state doesn't just say “ok great, no tunnel, get ready for your brand new Chopp-A-Duct”

  • fount

    Lies is a strong word. Especially when placed next to a stronger word. You know, “facts.”

    You're right, when the City Council cynically and politically determined that the tunnel was the preferred options, two weeks before an election in which the eventual winner made his campaign around opposition to the tunnel, McGinn did say this:

    “If I’m elected mayor, though I disagree with this (tunnel) decision, it will be my job to uphold and execute this agreement. … It is not the mayor’s job to withhold the cooperation of the city government in executing this agreement.”

    — Mike McGinn, Oct. 20 2009, a few weeks before Seattle’s mayoral election

    But in the SAME SPEECH, the Times notes he said this:

    “McGinn said he still believes the tunnel is too expensive, but Monday shifted the focus of his opposition to cost overruns. In the current state law, Seattle-area property owners who benefit from the tunnel are responsible for cost overruns. McGinn cast himself Monday as the candidate who would fight those overruns. 'There is a clear choice in this election,' he said. 'My opponent has refused to ask or answer any hard questions about the tunnel.'”

    So, please, tell me exactly how he lied?

  • NordicGal

    Misha. To clarify. I didn't say that I'm FOR stopping the tunnel and using the money to build the RTID projects including the new Cross Base freeway. I'm not FOR that. I oppose the RTID projects. I was a big supporter of the surface alternative until it became clear that it lost out.

    I'm just suggesting a probable outcome if lightening strikes and Mike McGinn stops the tunnel. The projects are not already being built – that's why they were on the ballot a few years ago – to find the money to build them. There are 100s of interests who spend a significant amount of time looking for money to build them every day.

    So the immediate outcome of success by McGinn or Moon would be: no money to do what they want in Seattle (which would be devastating to the future of the city and sustainability) and over a billion to build new roads to other places (which would be far worse for climate than the deep bore, which has a size limit, reduces road miles and makes Seattle far more attractive for job growth and as a place to live).

    And, in the meantime, the nutty antics helps lead to fewer democrats in Olympia, which significantly reduces chances of cleaning up Puget Sound and water systems around the state, getting more money for more transit, and repairing all the damage already done on bicycles. McGinn and his crowd are a gift to the state GOP, in the same way George W. Bush helped democrats around here. You can already see it happening.

    McGinn doesn't seem to care.

  • Jimmiepat

    Yeah – What Misha said ! The local pols are so distanced from Seattle residents, they can't believe about 2/3 of Seattle do not want a tunnel. The cost over runs on this fiasco project will make the Boston big dig over runs look like small potatos

  • TMN

    Hey man, I got $200 here to buy you an appendectomy. I know, you're saying appendectomies usually cost more than $200, and you're worried that you'll have to pay more for recovery and whatnot, but hey… if you don't take the money, I'm going to go blow it on strippers and coke, and you know that's a worse use of the cash. So when can I put you down for surgery? Tuesday work?

  • David Schraer

    Josh, it's too late to claim to be honestly reporting the tunnel issue. I'll take this as a correction to Publicola's hysterically one-sided reporting on this issue, including the “don't believe him” preamble to Richard Conlin's op-ed and your over-the-top dismissal of Conlin's realistic appraisal of the risks – both just this week.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    This:

    “If I’m elected mayor, though I disagree with this (tunnel) decision, it will be my job to uphold and execute this agreement. … It is not the mayor’s job to withhold the cooperation of the city government in executing this agreement.”

    — Mike McGinn, Oct. 20 2009, a few weeks before Seattle’s mayoral election

    But in the SAME SPEECH, the Times notes he said this:

    “McGinn said he still believes the tunnel is too expensive, but Monday shifted the focus of his opposition to cost overruns. In the current state law, Seattle-area property owners who benefit from the tunnel are responsible for cost overruns. McGinn cast himself Monday as the candidate who would fight those overruns. 'There is a clear choice in this election,' he said. 'My opponent has refused to ask or answer any hard questions about the tunnel.'”

    Should be the official Publicola comments section default copy/paste reply to every single time someone accuses McGinn falsely of lying about this.

  • David Schraer

    McGinn is transparently disingenuous on the tunnel issue – he wants to stop it. One can of course continue to find this or that objection to any large project – and he just slides from one to the other like the good trial attorney he was (not environmental attorney as he has been recently touted) as each of his objections is addressed. McGinn claims, incongruously, that if we can only stop the tunnel our friends at the State will fund whatever he wants but that if we build the tunnel and there are cost overruns our enemies at the State will stick it to Seattle. For someone who's short political career seems bent on riling his fellow progressives, it seems unlikely McGinn will find many allies in much more conservative Olympia. He has zero leverage. Who are McGinn's allies in Olympia? I keep asking this question and so far no one has provided a single name. What kind of political reporters can't count votes? The Publicola kind.

  • example of WPPSS

    “WSDOT fully intends to sign a contract where it's responsible for the overruns”

    Please. Such a provision would be directly contrary to the state law provision that caps the State's costs, so such a clause would be ultra vires. (That's Norman French Latinate Juridicalese for “outside of ones virility”).

    Remember WPPSS? They things called bonds, which were a kind of contract to pay money? And the contract said, “we will pay you, Wall St., this money here”? And then the Washington State Supreme Court said “tough titties, Wall St., dem dere bonds are ultra virues for all those little cities and towns so it don't matter whatcher durn contract sez, you is shit outa luck!”

    IOW if you think “it's the contract, stupid” you're a purty crappy lawyer….you gotta lookit the LAW, too, duh!

  • L.T. Gator Aide

    1. the heris of dead people sue, duh.
    2. this relates to issue at hand by specifically showing privity of contract is often not required and in a more general sense people pretending to be lawyers are talking without a knowledge base, as, in general, there's many theories of liability a/k/a causes of action a/k/a claims in law 'n' equity OTHER than direct breach of contract, as ANY lawyer with ANY experience will tell you.
    3. Nice ad hominem attack! Nice to see the originality of that ol' device. Here's a fact amiga: (a) lawyers DO review the documents when you leave it to paralegals they miss a lot, not being all cognizant of quantum meruit, unjust enrichment, etc. 'Twould in fact be malpractice to not have lawyers reviewing documents, duh! (b) Hey, I used to be billed out at $250 for exactly that for many years in a big firm. The paralegal rate was $75. (c) “I am not a crook” this was all for private clients who knew exactly what they were doing and gladly paid, as we did pretty good on those cases, in one winning $75 million on a $300 million claim on a construction contract (! you see, I do have an iota of experience here….and no it wasn't all for breach of contract) and in another case defeating a $200 million claim and knocking that down to a piddling $4 million nuisance value settlement. This is called the big leagues, btw. I would note that when our own city attorney had his ass kicked by the Sonics, they gladly paid WAY more than $300 an hour and he also contracted out plenty of legal work at rats like that. Do you really have any idea of what legal rates are today? $300 is cheap.
    4. I could never take such a case, being anti DBT and kind of picky, I wouldn't want it. Rather, I am donating my knowledge here, for free, to help the anti DBT folks and to lambaste the silly positions asserted by pro DBT folks, especially as to legal matters.

    Please. The “bill” was a joke. Yes, it was, I am not actually billing you, this is all for free!

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    In Oly, Frank Chopp. The problem is that it is Frank Choppaduct.

    Short list.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    There isn't a majority opinion on any option.

  • TMN

    Nonsense. 55% opposed the deep bore, 70% opposed the cut-and-cover. The results are completely indisputable.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews…

    I participated in that vote, and the discussion at the time was focused around the surface/transit options from a number of sources. It wasn't on the ballot, but that's what the people who were voting against the tunnel options likely had in mind as their preferred alternative.

  • The Bankruptcy

    Why is there not one single politician in Washington — of any political party — fighting against the tunnel itself? Not doing the tunnel is the majority opinion — yet it has zero voice in Government from the top to the bottom.

    All the discussions are a Bum's Rush type of debate where it's already decided and its just “how much” or “when”. The public is being tax raped and snookered by every single one of these charlatans!

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    I mean head to head with one vote.
    How does your 125% breakout when it is with the Surface option?
    Nobody knows.
    And THAT tunnel from 2007 was cut and cover along the seawall, not the DBT.

    I would like to see all three on one ballot question:
    Surface
    DBT
    Elevated

    I doubt you see a majority winner, individually they are all majority losers.

  • The Bankruptcy

    The Tunnel is a way for King Mike to justify an overpaid, overstaffed bureaucracy in the face of a city that is losing people right and left.

    Brightwater, LINK and all the rest, are becoming more and more arcane, forcing rural and suburban taxpayers to fund things that they will use little or never.

    Once seen in this light…the scam becomes all too visible.

  • sarah68

    And you are definitely charging what it is worth – nothing.

  • good times

    ugh. read the article. deep bore is nowhere to be found in that article. the 55% refers to a new elevated structure.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    “Brightwater, LINK and all the rest, are becoming more and more arcane, forcing rural and suburban taxpayers to fund things that they will use little or never.”

    So if I-5 down by Kent needs to be re-paved, do you support all Seattle city taxpayers being exempt from having to pay into that? Do Kent tax payers have to pay for a state route out by Port Angeles? Should Spokane pay for a Yakima project?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SAQ6R2ZBGQQNNBXVJZG66K6KY Mickymse

    Then WHY did the Legislature feel the need to pass their cost overrun provision? Because they didn't have any other pressing business in this last session?

  • Nemo

    The issue is not who is responsible under the contract, it's whether the state can pass the cost overruns along (get reimbursed esstentially), to a specific city (Seattle). The language sez it can, and if you don't think that's enforceable, then you are accepting the extra costs and delays assoicated with a judge making that determination.

    This is unprecidented. Even if the State pays it all, it can taxback those costs under that language. If that was not the case, why are they unwilling to remove that language? It's risk management, on Seattle's back, for something the citizens did not have a choice upon. Let the “stakeholders” pony up a bond for that risk if they want this so bad. Even the contractors are not being required to bond for the the entire risk.

    That's OK, the whole thing would be rendered moot by a negative EIS anyway, provided it is honestly done.

  • NAL

    It wasn't on the ballot, but that's what the people who were voting against the tunnel options likely had in mind as their preferred alternative.

    Oh, please. You have no idea what people likely had in mind. Really.