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Should Seattle Ban Turning Right on Red?


(photo from dbarchitect.com)

I learned something new this morning: the right turn on red (RTOR) is as American as apple pie and baseball. Sure there are other places in the world that allow it, but there are more (most notably the entire European Union) that outright ban it unless otherwise noted. Bicycle Alliance of Washington board member Ted Inkley recently argued on the Alliance blog that Seattle should take a lesson from the EU and ban RTORs as well.

Inkley says that first and foremost, banning RTORs would mitigate the risk of bicyclists being t-boned by drivers. Drivers waiting at an intersection can have a hard time seeing a bicyclist riding on the far right side of the road (or often don’t even think to look for bicyclists) and as a result hit them as they pull out and make their right turn. He admits that the available data shows relatively few bicyclist and pedestrian fatalities from RTORs, but it’s a real risk nonetheless.

Pedestrians face a similar risk of getting hit by turning drivers, but RTORs pose the additional problem of encouraging drivers to block crosswalks when they inch forward to look for oncoming traffic. I am certainly guilty of creeping into the crosswalk in my car sometimes (gasp! Bike Nerd occasionally drives) as I try to make a RTOR. Blocked crosswalks make it harder for people to walk and further perpetuate the notion that cars have the predominant right to the road.

Perhaps more importantly, Inkley argues that a ban on RTORs would allow Seattle to adopt several European bicycle- and pedestrian-infrastructure innovations such as dedicated signals and bike boxes.

He writes:

First, (an RTOR ban) would allow bicyclists to be given an “advance stop line” [aka "bike box"] allowing them to wait at red lights ahead of motorists where they are more visible without having to watch their back. This is common in Europe (and has been tried in Portland as well).

Second, it would allow engineers to time traffic signals to give pedestrians and cyclists an “advance green,” allowing them to lay claim to the crosswalk and street space (and thereby be more visible) a few seconds before cars started turning right. This is common in pedestrian and cycle-friendly countries like Denmark.

It would even allow cyclists and pedestrians at particularly busy intersections to have their own “protected signal phases,” when they could cross the but cars would be forbidden altogether from turning right. The Netherlands in particular makes use of this technique, in both urban and suburban settings.

Bike boxes and bicycle- and pedestrian-specific signals would be greatly beneficial in Seattle. As bicycle infrastructure continues to progress and the Seattle Department of Transportation experiments with parking-protected bike lanes (like the ones proposed for Dexter Ave and Admiral Way) and cycle tracks, other elements of traffic infrastructure need to be reexamined as well. Cycle tracks and parking-protected bike lanes do make it slightly more difficult for cars to see bicyclists (though not enough to outweigh the other safety benefits they provide). Banning RTORs would help reduce those safety concerns significantly.

Given all the outcry and fear expressed over road diets, I doubt anyone in City Hall has the political capital to push an RTOR ban (losing the RTOR would cause city-wide gridlock, right?). But, it’s worth noting, as Inkley does in his post, that RTOR didn’t gain wide-spread acceptance in the U.S. until President Gerald Ford, motivated by the 1970s gas crisis, signed new legislation promoting RTORs to reduce the amount of idling at red lights.

The environmental benefits of reducing idling with RTORs (which seem questionable at best), don’t hold a candle to the benefits of making bicycling and walking easier and safer, which will, in turn, encourage even more people to bike and walk.  There’s real merit to banning RTORs in a city so vocal about reducing it’s environmental impact, but so often off the mark in actually accomplishing its carbon-neutrality goals.




  • giffy

    So if the light is red wouldn't the driver only hit the cyclist if the cyclist was in fact running the red light? Otherwise they would be stopped and the car would be turning in front of them no?

    Personally I would rather see more “walk all ways” intersections like down at the market. The real problem it seems is not so much turning on red but turning on green when pedestrians are trying to cross on the street being turned onto and bikes are not stopping since the light is green.

  • Punk Ass Bitch

    Banning the right on red would be awesome. DC bans them which helps to make that city very nice to walk around.

    Every morning I bike north on Eastlake. As I get onto the University bridge about half the time there is a car on Fuhrman in the crosswalk who looks like they are about to run me over as they are creeping forward preparing to make a right on red onto the bridge.

  • misha

    What a great idea!

    About 500 pedestrians are hit by cars every year in Seattle, about 10 resulting in death. About 400 bicyclists are hit by cars every year in Seattle, 1-2 of them fatal.

    About 1-3% of car to bike/pedestrian collisions are caused by RTOR, probably much higher in an urban area like Seattle.

    If a simple traffic rule change (that NYC and all of the EU has implemented) would almost certainly prevent 30+ dangerous collisions in Seattle per year, it should be a no-brainer. Imagine if such a simple change could prevent 30 stabbings or shootings per year? It would be adopted immediately.

    Not to mention car-on-car collisions… would this have an effect of lowering car insurance rates for drivers at the very least?

  • MAK

    If RTOR's are banned then there are times (noontime during the work week for example) that right turns will not be possible at some intersections.

  • mX.

    I had to think on that as well, but following the statement re: “blocking crosswalks” I think they're referring to cyclists traveling w/ the green-lighted traffic. So, “bicyclists riding on the far right side of the road” would be coming from the RTORers left hand, but would be up against the curb of the cross-traffic — leading the RTORer to look “around” them in search of a car.

    At least that's my interpretation.

  • giffy

    But you have to consider the costs as well. No RTOR would also mean more on green when pedestrians are crossing and bikes going forward on the right. You are also going to have more cases of cars going around people waiting to turn right on greens which could also cause more accidents.

  • Clyde

    What an ill informed and frankly kind of selfish idea – and what a dumb comment that reducing idling is questionable at best. Do your research. Idling vehicles get ZERO mpg – in fact, idling is such a waste of gas that engines should be turned off if idling more than ten seconds. Not allowing RTOR also adds to congestion – and more unnecessary fuel being burned.

    Obviously, safety is a priority and the roads are for bikes and vehicles. But get real – the benefits that RTOR provides in terms of reduced pollution and smoother moving traffic are supposed to be shoved aside because of the potential for a traffic accident? Isn't “dooring” more of a real threat to bicyclists (i.e., aren't there more accidents due to unexpected car doors being opened) – so we're going to ban door opening on the street side?

    Dumb, dumb, dumb.

  • Ryan

    Could Seattle unilaterally ban ROR, or would that have to come from the state?

    It seems like it'd cost more than a little to put “No Turn on Red” signs up at every intersection in the city.

  • Scottiek_us

    Giffy, it concerns me if you have a drivers license. The article is talking about a vehicle coming from the left of the vehicle trying to make a right hand turn on red.

  • Clyde

    Oh – and it used to be that if a local government doesn't adopt RTOR then that entity loses its eligibility for certain federal transportation dollars. Don't know if that's still in effect, but probably.

  • Ziggity

    But as Inkley argues, you could give peds an “advance green,” so more of them would be clear of the intersection when the vehicles got their green.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Absolutely. In fact I have recommended they do that in downtown Kent or any other densely trafficked core.

  • joshuadf

    I know turns on red became legal in the 1970s, but I'm guessing that it was the norm before that too. My preference would be for it to remain legal most places, but it would especially make sense to give pedestrians a few seconds of walk signal time before the traffic light turned green. On the other hand, in many areas a signal is overkill and we could use more planter traffic circles and Shared Space designs on arterials:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn2NfUH0G-Q
    My favorite video is this trippy Hans Monderman one though:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaLhbbtmlE

  • Brian

    Instead of implementing a blanket change across the whole city which I think is wasteful in a whole load of ways, why not implement the no RTOR more robustly at problem, low visibility intersections and routes. Incremental change in this respect would be a good thing.

    I think you discount how much waste there will be sitting at lights waiting to turn right. Not to mention on many Seattle streets RTOR is the only time you can make a RT since the pedestrians eat up the entire RTOG time period. Guess you could solve that with different crosswalk timing, but good luck.

  • rickg

    ” on many Seattle streets RTOR is the only time you can make a RT since the pedestrians eat up the entire RTOG time period. “

    That's my main concern – even if you give pedestrians a few seconds headstart, that's only useful if they cross in a bunch and then you have minimal ped traffic for the green light time. However, I see a lot of intersections where pedestrians continue to come up to the intersection and cross, making much of the green light time verboten for right turns.

  • anotherneighborhoodactivist

    Possible solution: In addition to the “advance green” for peds, have a “no peds red” for twenty seconds before the light goes red for cars. Of course, you'd have to get pedestrians to obey, and that's probably not easy.

  • old geezer

    “I'm guessing that it was the norm before that too.”

    Um, no, before it was legal to turn right on red? it was illegal.

  • Ben Demboski

    Yeah, I agree. As they said, the concern is T-boning the cyclists which would only happen as you describe.

  • Ben Demboski

    Technically, we have that. It is illegal for a pedestrian to enter the crosswalk while it is blinking don't walk. But it's not really enforced…

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Josh, you should do a follow up that examines other cities of similar or larger size that have done this, and how much accident rates improved.

  • ceryous

    Apparently Washington State is one of the few states that allow left turns on red, so we have a ways to go.

  • giffy

    Could do that now even with free rights.

  • giffy

    Ok I went and read Inkley's piece and it seems he is talking about something different than any of us including Josh. He is talking about a bike path that runs parallel to the street, specifically the path near Alaskan Way, but is not actually in the street so not governed by the light. I can see how that is a danger and perhaps there should not be free rights on Alaskan Way due to that high traffic path.

    Josh's description made it sound like the bikes where coming from where the driver was not looking, behind them and to the right, and slams into the side of the car or is hit on the side by the car. And its not what you are talking about either which is a bike coming straight at you from the direction you are looking, if you don't see that, RTOR are the least of your problems. Since were not talking high speeds by the car here it would seem that either the bike would be in the intercession or close to it, and hence very visible, or would be able to stop.

  • joshuadf

    Illegal but commonly done, as it is in Europe.

  • zefwagner

    Your argument is the same completely flawed logic that led to the US adopting the ROTR and continually expanding highways. People are so concerned about gridlock, with all those cars idling, but don't think about induced traffic. In short, if by widening a highway you reduce idling but also increase the number of cars, you increase emissions. Induced demand also means that as more people start driving, the traffic jams just go right back to how they were over time, leading to idling with more cars than before. You're wrong, basically.

  • archie

    There's actually something like that on Pine westbound turning right onto 6th that seems to work pretty well for cars. Except there is no advance green for peds….argh

  • archie

    yeah, and no trip (or any saved part of a shorter commute) = INFINITI mpg

  • Gomez

    Good point. The only way you could mitigate this with a RTOR is to strictly enforce the crosswalk signals, i.e. ticket pedestrians for entering crosswalks on a flashing red. But given the thousands of intersections in Seattle, even if you were selective with your enforcement that's not feasible.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SAQ6R2ZBGQQNNBXVJZG66K6KY Mickymse

    Or check out 1st Ave & Columbia where the pedestrian signal flashes and turns red before the light actually goes red, allowing extra time for vehicle to make the turns onto the Viaduct on-ramp.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SAQ6R2ZBGQQNNBXVJZG66K6KY Mickymse

    Ooops! I mentioned 1st & Columbia above before I read this…

  • wes kirkman

    Ya, there is one on cap hill in front of the trader joes. 17th and Madison I think.

  • wes kirkman

    Unfortunately (I think), the city is doing this all over the place. I wonder if this makes many peds that are familiar with the intersection walk out on a ped-red because they know there is some extra time? I certainly do. And, I wonder if that makes more ped-car conflict as some are destined to still be crossing the street when the light actually does turn red? I know I've been caught in that situation.

    The whole thing just doesn't seem right to me. If we are taking away from pedestrian crossing time allocation at the end of the light cycle, we should at least make a good gesture by giving it back at the front end like the one I mention above at 17th and Madison.

  • Jakers

    We would need to do an EIS on it (and vote on it) because making thousands, if not tens of thousands, of cars idle extra minutes at each red light every day before making a right turn, and then waiting for the pedestrians (and jaywalkers who enter the intersection late) would add tons and tons of C02 into the atmosphere!

  • Jakers

    I agree, but if a slow pedestrian enters the crosswalk from the other side of the street just before it starts flashing red, then they would hold up the RTOR.

  • Jakers

    If you give them a head start, then you'd need to start the flashing red earlier.

  • Jakers

    And in many countries, a red light is more like a stop sign and in others a yield sign (when they are working properly)

  • Gomez

    If their local jurisdictions are going to do road diets and keep cutting roadways to two lanes with so many other two lane artierals, they have to allow left turns on red. No one would be able to efficiently get around otherwise

  • whiny cyclists

    So pedestrians and cyclists should have absolutely no responsibility for their actions? A cyclist can be a total asshole and if he gets himself killed it's not his fault?

    That's bullshit.

    I am an extremely cautious driver and I look out for both pedestrians and cyclists, but both groups are just plain stupid sometimes. Just as a good driver never assumes that he can just gun it on green without checking to make sure there's not a car still in the intersection, pedestrians need to look both ways before going into the crosswalk, and cyclists need to wait their turn when in traffic. They buzz past cars on the right all the time, even when those cars are signaling that they are turning right.

    If this law passes, who will they blame next? Who will they whine about next?

  • I was there

    No, it was not commonly done at all.

    You weren't driving then.

    How would you know?

  • Sean Howell

    If more be cycled, drivers would be more aware. But cycling has yet to really take off, to argue that cars should idle more, I don't think is very green, while I can appreciate the safety issue. I heard that FEDEX recently devised ways to route their deliveries to include more right turns to save fuel. I look forward to the day of few cars and more cyclists, but think there must be other means to making the roads more safe.

  • Stanton Park

    Actually, RTOR is allowed in DC just as almost everywhere else. Federal law mandates RTOR for any state and the District of Columbia that wants federal highway funds. The only blanket exception the federal government has allowed is in New York City, where RTOR is allowed only where posted. (RTOR can be limited or prohibited at specific intersections where there are safety or traffic issues that make it necessary.)