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County Should Revisit Automatic Wage Increases

On KUOW this morning, I said that I agreed with a recent Seattle Times editorial in favor of revisiting the county’s policy of automatically giving employees automatic 2-to-6-percent cost-of-living pay increases. (Perhaps I was under the influence. I was filling in for Joni Balter, sitting in her usual chair.) Here’s what the Times wrote:

County employees have been living in an altered state, pretending the county has enough money to award employees 2 to 6 percent annual cost-of-living increases even if that cost dropped as it did last year. That makes no sense.

Discussing this year’s potential sales-tax increases this morning, I noted that  voters tend to support funding for public safety (most of a 0.2 percent sales-tax increase would pay to retain sheriff’s deputies and deputy prosecutors).

One big caveat, though: Support for a tax increase could fall apart if voters learn that one reason for the budget shortfall in Sheriff Sue Rahr’s department is because the deputies’ contract gives them a guaranteed five percent wage increase every year. That’s the case even in years, like this past one, when inflation is essentially nonexistent, meaning that the cost of living has barely inched gone up. (In the Seattle metro area, the consumer price index has risen just 0.2 percent this year, and just 0.3 percent last year.)

The bottom line: When contracts are up for renegotiation, those automatic increases have got to go.

County employees tend to get mad when journalists point out their ever-growing wages and superior (“Cadillac”) benefits. But the reason journalists tend to grate at those things is that, unlike county workers, we don’t get “cost-of-living” increases when the cost of living doesn’t increase. In fact, unlike county workers, many of us—those who still have jobs—have taken wage cuts. Unlike county workers, whose “furloughs” this year were offset by equivalent higher wages, when we take a furlough, we don’t get paid.

Unions are a great tool for negotiating better working conditions, benefits, and wages. But when they negotiate contracts so generous they’re unsustainable, they need to admit that things are out of balance. Voters have shown the willingness to repeatedly raise our own taxes to pay for government services, but we need to know that government employees are willing to make sacrifices, too.




  • http://twitter.com/fattailed fattailed

    Yes, you're right, everyone who gets better raises than you of course doesn't deserve it. And why bother to mention that the raises were negotiated by union workers *and approved by elected officials*? The key fact is that county workers as group don't deserve more than you get. That's the only yardstick that matters. A comparison to you. One journalist. At an online-only publication. That's what all county workers in all job classifications should be measured up against.

  • Ryan D

    Erica is exactly right in her comments. But don't take her word for it. Read the below article which demonstrates how public sector wages in general have been escalating uniformly over that last half-century. Not only King County but almost every municipality, county or state government must ultimately wrestle with an incompatible situation of fixed expense in personnel when corresponding revenues have significantly decreased with no corresponding increase forecasted anytime soon. A correction in the public sector will not be pretty and I feel for all the families which will be negatively impacted but I think its inevitable nonetheless.

    http://reason.org/news/show/public-sector-priva…

  • Scott

    That is hardly an impartial source of information.

  • Scott

    I agree. Boo hoo, you didn't get a raise, so no one else should either?

  • http://twitter.com/fattailed fattailed

    Also, real (inflation-adjusted) wages are *supposed* to increase faster than inflation. That's what a rising standard of living is.

  • What you need is a man…

    Erica, you're just a Plano housewife. Move back home and get yourself a dentist or something so you can spend all your time bitching about lazy overpaid government employees with the rest of your type. When you get tired of that, you can keep them all enthralled with stories of your hippy days in Seattle working for that “dot com”

  • Barleywine

    I've been a government worker for most of the last thirty years because my standard of living is going to rise no matter what the economy is doing.
    Sweet.

    But I did here about the downturn on the news.

  • Barleywine

    I meant “hear'ed”

  • The Choice is yours

    Oh please. I've been both a government worker AND a private sector worker (mostly private), and I've got news for ya: There are dumbasses, fuck-ups and stupid waste anyplace humans work. In the private sector, however, most of that waste is at the top.

    You can bitch about the government employees – and I'm not saying they're angels – or you can look around and ask yourself what's wrong with this picture.

  • T_Chen

    Well, it's not rising for most other workers. The question is, why should government worker wages be rising faster than inflation when the wages of the people they serve are decreasing in real terms?

  • T_Chen

    Well why don't you make the case for why county workers deserve guaranteed COLA increases when the rest of the country is seeing stagnant or declining real wages? Or why their benefits and wages are inadequate compared to COMPARABLE private sector employees?

  • Barleywine

    “There are dumbasses, fuck-ups and stupid waste anyplace”

    I hear ya. And I'm grateful that this is true.
    Could NOT afford to hear you if this wasn't true.

    Yours truly: Dumb Ass / Fuck-up / Public Servant

  • HonestUnionFriend

    The discussion I want to hear is the internal one within the union where they are fighting over increased COLAs* vs. layoffs. Both are very real at King County right now.

    *How is it a cost of living increase when CPI is stagnant or dropping?

  • gumgum

    Why are government workers' raises rising faster than private sector wages? Because a post Reagan Adminsitration accumulation of pro-employer NLRB decsions and Supreme Court rulings have made it ridiculously easy for private sector employyers to squash organizing inititatives and bust the unions they had. Government employers, accountable to voters rathr than shareholders, have less leeway to flout workers' rights.

  • gumgum

    Erica believes that she personally is the basis for evaluation of all rights. Wheelchair users shouldn't be allowed to board an express bus she's on when she's in a hurry, County employees shouldn't get raises unless she gets one too.

  • ATL

    that was mean.

  • seabos84

    1 of the unions BIGGEST mistake over the decades is NOT fighting to everyone decent pay, safe pensions, health care, safe working conditions, … including people like YOU, who, someday, will grow up and realize that for every google inventor at the top who gets what they deserve, the other 49 at the top got what they got by taking it from others.

  • T_Chen

    There are signs that voters in states ranging from New Jersey to Illinois to New York to California are starting to scrutinize the unfunded pension obligations they are now saddled with. If your argument is that voters support paying public employees benefits and wages that are out of step with their private counterparts PLUS better job security, then what argument will you make if voters change their minds?

  • T_Chen

    I'll agree with you that the public sector unions don't practice much solidarity with their private sector labor brethren. From my experience in public school teachers, for example, are more likely than the general public to buy cars made by non-UAW automakers, often Japanese “imports” made by non-union workers.

    And that's one reason a lot of people are skeptical about rhetoric from labor unions representing government workers claiming to be for the common good. Because the actions of the members often show little solidarity with other working people. Additionally, contracts, such as with Metro transit employees typically protect the rights of those who already make the most at the expense of the part-time employees just scraping by. It doesn't feel like “solidarity” to a lot of us.

  • Barleywine

    “are more likely than the general public to buy cars made by non-UAW automakers, often Japanese “imports” made by non-union workers.”

    Possibly they read Consumer Reports?

    My Toyota Corolla gas pedal never sticks, although if it did we could push Toyoda out, in favor of domestic clunkers.
    In fact, I've been plagued with a squeaky door for months; the one I didn't follow the owner's manual about.

  • T_Chen

    I hear a lot of ad hominem attacks against Erica, or Reason magazine, but not any arguments for why the pay of County workers is fair in light of the current situation.

    The argument seems to be: Everyone else should be paid more, except top management. Well, I think executive compensation is out of control and that corporate boards are too cozy with executives, but what's your plan to change things? Will you only buy UAW cars and refuse to buy that Toyota Camry or Honda Civic? Will you only shop at stores that employ union workers?

  • T_Chen

    Well if you only support union workers when the product they produce is the best value, or their first choice, it's not exactly much of an expression of support or much of a sacrifice for solidarity…

  • Barleywine

    “Well if you only support union workers when the product they produce is the best value, or their first choice, it's not exactly much of an expression of support or much of a sacrifice for solidarity…”

    No solidarity here, comrade.
    Make good stuff or perish.

  • Waambulance for ATL

    Sometimes the truth is mean. Don't be such a Seattlelite.

  • Coder for Christ

    At least you're not one of those glorified TV repairman called a “programmer” who are just learning that they are a dime a dozen over in India.

  • Barleywine

    You're f-cking with me, aren't you.
    This is one of those times when “Whooooosh!”, I just didn't get the joke.

    Prolly won't be the last.

  • big picture

    Erica, your recent union bashing seems connected to your own lack of personal income. That doesn't speak to your journalistic professionalism.

    I won't defend the automatic COLA's in many contracts, but I will point out several errors in your haste to bash county workers. First, not all county workers get those COLA's, they are only for union workers and range from union to union. Second, those contracts were negotiated and when they expire the county has pledged to renegotiate them lower. Third, you totally mess up the furlough explanation. County workers did not get paid for furlough days, but were promised them back in future years. Fourth, you always fail to mention the strong increases in copays for health care and the fact that county employees have a rigorous wellness program that takes hours each week to get health care without premiums. And fifth, the county's budget woes have more to do with a lousy tax structure for the duties they have than high salaries.

    Municipal employees should help solve the budget problems of government, but Erica, reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator is not progressive.

  • NordicGal

    I think Erica is right – journalism has been a rough trade for a lot of people ever since newspapers stopped rolling in dough and fat paychecks.

    The automatic COLAs might be an anachronism, just like fat newspaper salaries and reporters. But couldn't you have picked a better example to make your case than reporting, which has basically gone the way of the typewriter?

    No one working for King County is getting rich working there. No one.

    These salaries are bargains struck by the county to compete for talent. Sure, adjust them in tough times. Just don't call it good management or necessarily smart long term policy. Better to get rid of people who are pulling their weight.

  • Coder for Christ

    “Make good stuff or perish. “

    Well say goodbye Microsoft then…..

  • KingCountyEmployee

    Ugh. I never hear anyone arguing for county workers to get bonuses when the private sector's doing well. When I first started working in local government, some of my friends in the private sector were getting 20+% annual raises plus bonuses … No one suggested then that the poor city/county/state workers should be getting paid better. I got inquiries from private sector companies offering me more money than I made plus the potential for bonuses options, but I would have rather done anything than count widgets.

    I don't reflexively disagree that the automatic COLA issue should be looked at, but why should employees give up some of their perks/benefits when lo and behold when we don't agree to furlough the powers that be find other things to cut and county operations don't fall apart. If employees always agree to sacrifice first there's less incentive to cut the inefficiencies and programs that don't work.

    On the healthcare premium issue. Maybe this is because I have a background in economics, but doesn't it MAKE SENSE to make people who USE medical services pay more? When the county negotiated its healthcare package it wanted to achieve X amount of savings. It achieved X amount of savings by increasing deductibles and the amount we pay when we actually go to the doctor (though preventive care is free since in the long run that's a good investment). Soooooo, this creates an incentive to not go to the doctor unless we really need to hopefully bringing costs down overall. If instead the county had achieved X amount of savings through premiums, yay, great, Erica and Joni Balter are happy but that's not going to affect my behavior.

    And FINALLY…. If these journalists think it is such a cushy job working in the public sector and our benefits are so ungodly rich, why don't you all come to work at the county instead of spewing your anger at the rest of us??? It often feels like you want to get into a race toward the bottom. Well, all I have to say to that is no f'ing thank you.

  • T_Chen

    Are you hiring?

  • Barleywine

    “Well say goodbye Microsoft then….. “

    Funny, Coder.

    (I plucked that out on IE8)

  • Barleywine

    Maybe you should Code for Krishna.

  • KingCountyEmployee

    Have you ever checked?

    Of course right now the county isn't hiring in droves as far as I know. But my point is just that journalists are pointing at county employees now but when we are hiring will any of them apply for a job? Probably not. They've chosen their professions because presumably they like them. Sad for them they chose a dying industry. Poor foresight on their part. That still doesn't preclude them from applying for a job at the county when the county does starting hiring again.

  • Anc

    Not just her, but the public as a whole. Everyone seems to ignore that in order to take pot shots at Erica.

  • ivan

    She's a shallow, selfish, self-centered brat, and her union-bashing demonstrates it. I'm guessing she's trying to ass-kiss her way to a better job, no doubt as a shill for some hip, “edgy” “new” entrepreneur who pays employees the minimum wage. ECB will tell the world how “vibrant” that is.

    Go ahead and scoff if you don't believe it. They scoffed at me when I predicted that Bob Dylan would play Las Vegas one day, and there he jolly well is.

    For some people, it's all about the Benjamins.

  • http://twitter.com/fattailed fattailed

    FYI, the Japanese automotive sector has significant union density. Japanese imports are likely to be union made by Japanese workers. Different story for their US factories. In any case, the best way to support unions is not necessarily through consumer choice. I'd prefer some policy change myself.

  • JT

    Sure. The difference is when the company gets too bloated at the top or middle or bottom, the market brings things back to reality. No one buys the $7 box of cereal–it doesn't even make it to market.

    With public services, there is no alternative. So we get the rhetoric of “we simply must have a .2% raise in sales tax or else critical police services won't be provided”, glossing over the reason they can't be provided at current revenues–because they're giving deputies a 5% wage hike this year (and the year before, and the year before that).

  • yucky poo

    ivan — you must win at twister, right?

    1. Erica says certain unions getting automatic 5% increases when CPI not increasing and we're cutting services and when this requires a hike in the sales tax, which falls mainly on poor people, thus depriving them of the benjamins, is basically wrong. Because it deprives poor people of the benjamins.

    2. you accus *her* of being about the benjamins. This is to support the 5% unearned bonus that hurts the poor people by depriving poor people of the benjamins. You, are anti poor people.

    3. wtf? *she's* about the benjamins? get a clue, journalists make about 30% of what a cop or a deputy sheriff makes.

    5. wow u r ad hominem (ad femalium?) 00 always a sign of desperation in argument.

    6. wow u r surly s.o.b. today. yucky poo!

  • data diver

    first set of names, taken at random, from that guy's list of county employees and salaries, and this is 2007:

    Aagerup S Police Officer Sheriff's Office 69712.11 2504.09 7/12/2002
    Aaron C Nutrition Assistant Public Health 32001.59 7/29/1986
    Abalde M Administrative Specialist I County Executive 1066.36 9/14/2005
    Abalde T Revenue Coordinator Transportation 52277.1 312.12 11/25/1991
    Abanes J LAN Administrator-Senior DES/ Const & Facility M 84302.23 6127.81 3/21/2001
    Abarca J Corrections Officer Adult Detention 78541.15 16129.33 11/1/2001
    Abay-abay N Traffic Signal Technician Transportation 72199.06 3135.44 5/1/1990
    Abbott E Assistant To Director Prosecuting Attorney 76215.18 8/14/2003
    Abbott R EMS Instructor-STT Public Health 856.95 4/1/1993
    Abbott R Police Officer Sheriff's Office 72491.34 20331.63 5/2/2006
    Abbott T Human Resource Analyst-Senior Public Health 72537.72 5/3/1999
    Abbotts J Admin Spec II Info & Admin Services 1249.95 56.53 8/22/2005
    Abdalkhani K Waste Water Engineer IV Natural Resources 92058.77 8/16/1998
    Abd-Al-ShaheedN Transit Operator Transportation 62198.54 73.93 5/3/2002
    Abdi K Transit Operator Transportation 37985.95 1993.78 9/12/2005
    Abdi M Transit Operator Transportation 45580.33 13675.28 6/19/2006
    Abdi S Transit Operator Transportation 35061.96 11149.85 6/19/2006
    xxxxxxxx

    Some of those look pretty rich to me. Plenty of higher salaries, plus the cushy health benefits.

  • sarah68

    If anyone needs a raise, it's people who live on Social Security. And yet they didn't get a COLA this year because…we know why; the cost of living didn't rise.

    If people who are living on $900/month don't get a COLA, why in hell should anyone making more than $5,000/month be guaranteed one? For journalists; think of your mother or grandmother.

  • sarah68

    And that's “forget”, not “for”. Meaning don't bitch about the journalists.

  • gumgum

    No, my argument is that the higher degree of transparency in government, relative to the private sector, makes it harder to fire workers for showing support for Unions, to punish leaders during organizing and bargaining campaigns, and to rig workplace elections. Nor can you move local government to Mexico. This results in a higher degree of unionization in the public sector, and better benefits, because workers are free to organize and bargain in pursuit of such. By the way, the often out of balance pension obligations you refer to are in many cases the result of unwise governmental decisions to promise better pensions in the future to avoid giving pay raises comparable to what the private sector offers.

  • Scott

    They don't have cushy benefits. They have the health benefits everyone in this country should have. Most private employers just have lesser benefits in comparison.

  • Ira

    Almost nobody who works at King County, except for some department heads, are rich. The reason bus drivers make more money than journalists is because they do a more difficult job and have to put up with a lot more bullshit.
    The reason county employees get cost of living increases is because they were negotiated. If you really want that to change, make sure that you vote in conservative Republicans to the county council.
    Much as Erica likes to come off as a muckraking hipster, just beneath the surface is Tom Delay.

  • ivan

    “Unearned” bonus? Who says it's “unearned?” You? If they negotiate it, chances are they have to give something else to get it. You think it's a gift?

  • seabos84

    IF we're going to evolve society to a level well above our current level of barely above pond scum, THEN do gooders are gonna have to start getting degrees in Math, Accounting, Finance, Stats, Econ/Math, Business/Math – reading “Nickled and Dimed” and writing papers about it solves …?? not much.

    What the do-gooders REALLY need to be able to show, to EVERY citizen, is:

    1. a. how much a service costs that citizen in hours worked per year,
    b. how much that service costs of your hourly rate – how many pennies per each hour of work.

    I promise you that IF the goo-goos could provide HARD numbers, instead of more f'king tomes telling the world we all need to be nice to each other and more f'king tomes telling the world that mean meanies are mean and not nice …

    We'd find out that the COSTS of paying public servants are outrageous, cuz you end up with rampant corruption, which means you end up with a society where the rich have their own personal army, cuz the rest of us are f'king serfs living in squalor who are willing to do anything to anyone to fill your belly for the day… well, these are outrageous costs, if you happen to think a Blade Runner / Mad Max society is not what you want to live in.

    Something else the goo-goos could PROVE to the drooling masses, except for the eyeman's of the world, is that without community investment -

    without RELIABLE roads to deliver the raw products,
    without RELIABLE roads to deliver the finished products,
    without HONEST banking & finance systemS to finance the raw products and finished products,
    without a population that is paid for their work AND not worked into the ground,
    without a RELIABLE infrastructure,

    NO ONE needs your f'king google machine or your f'king powerpoint machine, much less NO ONE will make the machine, so all you drooling libertarians can take your C.S. degrees & your MBAs, and you can join the hordes killing each other for the scraps from massah.

    doing the right thing ain't noble, it is economically smart.

    rmm.

  • Anc

    Yes, I think it is unearned as it was gained through union strong arming. 'Give it to me or I shut down your government.'

    Personally I think public servant unions should be abolished. I can only see government propped up unions being legit in the face in of government propped up corporations, but as these workers are supposed to serve the people themselves… yeah. Why do we allow this?

    My wife and I get by just fine on my (non-unionized) government job. I think next time I get in my reup zone I'm not gonna push so much for a up front bonus but for more college, hopefully be able to finish up my Masters before I get out.

  • seabos84

    crud … I wasn't logged in & now I can't edit … ugh.

    the comment above

    “We'd find out that the COSTS of paying public servants are outrageous,”

    should say

    “We'd find out that the COSTS of NOT paying public servants are outrageous,”

  • sarah68

    You seem to be confusing do-gooders and libertarians. Which one are you yelling at?

  • Freshman Beenie

    Ah, what a cute little naive twit you are. When you graduate from undergrad, and get a few years in the real world, why don't you come back and try that again? You'll see that that $7 box of cereal is alive and well, thanks to the farm subsidies and tax loopholes.

    Honestly, the “free market” is an illusion. Don't listen to your professors.

  • T_Chen

    What kind of policy change? Forcing people to join unions? Taking away their right to vote privately?

  • T_Chen

    Perhaps you'd like to explain then how it is that GM, Ford, and Chrysler have shed hundreds of thousands of (union) jobs in the last few decades while competitors Honda, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, Hyundai, Subaru and Nissan have added tens of thousands of exclusively non-union jobs. And these companies have pulled out all the stops to resist any hint of unionization at their American plants. See, e.g. http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/civil-procedur…

    If the market provides no discipline to companies and to unions and their labor costs, why have the foreign transplants worked so darn hard to avoid unionization at any cost?

  • Y. P.

    It's unearned because in today's climate it's based on taxing the poor to pay for a benefit for those who make more than the poor.

    This is unjust, and this unjustice is the point you evade.

    If they traded something else for it, you're saying they were entitled in the first place which they're not, not legally, morally or politically.

    Also, being so anti poor means you're helping the GOP, and you're hurting the poor, and you're not progressive.

  • Y. P.

    It's unearned because in today's climate it's based on taxing the poor to pay for a benefit for those who make more than the poor.

    This is unjust, and this unjustice is the point you evade.

    If they traded something else for it, you're saying they were entitled in the first place which they're not, not legally, morally or politically.

    Also, being so anti poor means you're helping the GOP, and you're hurting the poor, and you're not progressive.

  • Dooh Nibor!

    here's an idea:

    let's add to the regressive sales tax.

    This way, we can load up the burdens on the poor!

    This will hurt them in trying to get ahead in life.

    Then, we take that money and give automatic pay increases to other people who have jobs!

    This is a good scheme. it's called a “D o o h n i b o r”

    do it to your neighbor before they do it to you, get your$!!

  • Dooh Nibor!

    here's an idea:

    let's add to the regressive sales tax.

    This way, we can load up the burdens on the poor!

    This will hurt them in trying to get ahead in life.

    Then, we take that money and give automatic pay increases to other people who have jobs!

    This is a good scheme. it's called a “D o o h n i b o r”

    do it to your neighbor before they do it to you, get your$!!

  • Donolectic

    And people who hire the dime a dozen coders get what they pay for.

  • Donolectic

    I have no desire to join a union, thank you. I don't need another self-serving layer between me and my paycheck.

  • Donolectic

    Should does not reflect the world we actually live in.

  • ivan

    “It's unearned because in today's climate it's based on taxing the poor to pay for a benefit for those who make more than the poor.”

    I see. So you are saying that the services that county employees provide to the taxpayers, COLA increases and all, have no value whatever and provide no return to the taxpayers?

    Bullshit. Sheer, unmitigated, ignorant bullshit. Stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Here's a clue for you. Your County Executive is Dow Constantine, not Susan Hutchison. Dow Constantine knows, far better than you, and far better than the odious, ignorant Erica C. Barnett, the value that County employees provide.

  • ivan

    Idiot. The union is a layer between the employee and NO paycheck.

  • ivan

    If you can confuse ECB with a journalist, I'm not surprised that you can confuse a federal program (Social Security) with your county government.

  • I'm glad I'm old

    And in a race-to-the-bottom society like we seem bent on creating, that's all people want or deserve: It doesn't have to be good, just cheap and shiny. Next years models will always have bigger fins…..

  • Ira

    For decades, unionized county employees were receiving cost of living wages based on a percentage of increases in the consumer price index, so if inflation were rising at 4% annually, those employees might get a 3.2% increase, so over time their salaries fell further and further behind as far as buying power went. Did we hear Erica advocating for the county employees then?

  • Oh for God's sake…..

    First off, has anyone actually read the contract, or is this just the usual conjecture (which is what the “c” usually really stands for)? Typically, the COLAs are tied to the inflation index, just like Social Security. If there's no inflation, there might be a provision for something like a 1-2% raise.

    Regardless, the county will make a proposal. The union – as the agent of the employees – can accept or reject it, and put it to the members for a vote.

    If they accept it, this is all a bunch of silly hand-wringing, mostly by uninformed people who know absolutely nothing about collective bargaining, and would seemingly prefer the sort or labor movement that you see in China or the old USSR.

    If they reject it, however, what can be done? I don't think they can't go on strike. If they can, it would again be at the vote of the workers, and I don't think most of them can afford that.

    So everyone just needs to cool their jets. And it might not hurt to actually learn something about unions – watching the strike episode of “The Simpsons”, or some Mafia movie doesn't cut it. Neither does listening to a bunch of media millionaires, who have it in their best interest to misinform you about the benefits of a strong labor movement.

  • Donolectic

    Mmmhmm.

  • Caprese

    NordicGal – Clearly, you have not seen the King County salaries and compared them to those in other government organizations or to private industry. I have worked on compensation issues (salary and benefit issues) in private business for many years and it is clear to me that King County pays above market wages. In some cases, the payments are grossly above market.

    Kudos to Erica for speaking truth to power here.

  • T_Chen

    So are you saying that over the last 20-30 years, wages of King County employees have done worse than the median wage growth of the general public?

  • T_Chen

    I don't believe Sarah68 was confusing a federal program with a county program. She was making a comparison by pointing out that SS recipients, who tend to have much lower incomes than County employees, receive no COLA when there isn't inflation, so why should it be guaranteed for County workers?

    Do you have any sort of policy ideas, Ivan? Or do you just like to launch personal attacks against those who post here and write for publicola?

  • KingCountyEmployee

    ECB references the Sheriff's office 5% increase. I would like to know what the increase is for police officers in the City of Seattle, Pierce and Snohomish counties. Is it the same, is it higher or lower? That is the market the King County Sheriff's Office is competing in, NOT the private sector job market for baristas and pencil pushers. How can she make a judgment that 5% is not acceptable without knowing what is happening in other jurisdictions? I assume she doesn't know since it's not been reported as far as I've seen.

  • Donolectic

    His policies seem to revolve around making sure there's enough highways and free parking for watever activities he deems important (and therefore better apparently).

  • Stupid runs in families

    Thank you, Captain Simple-Minded, for that moronic statement.

    Tell me, did you get your “opinion” of organized labor from some dead Grandpaw who wanted to be in a union but wasn't qualified – and thus bitter – or did you just go directly to the GOP website for this cliche passing as an original thought?

  • Barleywine

    There is clearly a separation between the public and private sectors. They don't move together, and never will. One is based on the market, the other on politics.
    The market-based one is pretty clear.
    The political one follows no understandable pattern (it does, but I can't follow it.)

    My current federal job started with me being hired as a temp at the market rate (paycheck, but without benefits.) My employer was paying this temp company twice what I was getting paid.
    Not a great deal for me or my (endpoint) employer. For those two years they offered to give me my paycheck minus 25% for benefits. “No thanks, I ain't sick yet). Finally they offered my current check plus benefits. Deal.

    And since then there have been hiring freezes, but tons of money for anything else. Now no money for overtime or toys, but plenty of money for new employees (finally.)
    Every year we get, at the last hour, some small raise.

    Even now, when the rest of the economy sucks. And even then, when the ecomomy was bolting. Same deal.
    I'll never get rich here, and I'll never get fired.
    Make your choice. There are job openings right now at http://www.OPM.gov.

    Leave your dreams at the door, if you still have any.
    It's a paycheck for life; not a damn restaurant, or dot.com.

    But I love it. It suits me. Love my co-workers to DEATH!, but not in any postal way.

  • Donolectic

    Well somebody's an angry little mister. I'm sorry about your penis.

  • Barleywine

    Dololectic is on target about unions.

    They were good when they were needed, like…in the twenties.
    Right now they serve a useful function, I think. They are the scaffolding in place if we ever need them again. Dead wood, but glad they're there.

  • Barleywine

    “Leave your dreams at the door, if you still have any.”

    Wow. Did I say that?
    This segs nicely into the split between single, young people and the rest of us shmucks.
    It's a different word entirely when you have what the military calls “dependents”, aka a wife/husband and kids. Public sector jobs are for those who have people counting on them for a steady paycheck. Only.

    The hit-or-miss dream jobs are for people that can afford to lose. No kids, or has a wife or husband that already has one of those safe jobs. Or is irresponsible.

    Thus my respect for the pharmacist that risks their job to stand up for what they think is right. Doesn't matter to me what people stand up for, if they are risking their own safety and security for it I am humbled.

    Most of us are economically castrated, but yeah! to those who dream.

  • Donolectic

    That's because this person hiding behind customized usernames is the classic definition of a troll. They try and provoke an emotional reaction while adding nothing of substance to the argument. With Disqus, they can even “like” their own comments to make it seem like others are in agreement, but notice how no registered users are actually agreeing with them. So pathetic.

  • Donolectic

    He's not saying that they provide “no services whatsoever” Ivan. Pull your head outta your ass and stop projecting.

  • Ira

    I would guess that yes, over 20-30 years, KC employees wages have done worse than the median wage growth for the general KC public. But a lot of that has to do with the county in general adding a lot of high paid positions at places like Microsoft.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Just because the Republican party line handed down from Reagan (may he rest in Hell) says “Fuck everyone, I got mine,” doesn't make it right or ethical.

  • I hope you don't have a CDL

    Barleywine, if you keep drinking like this on a school night, you might find out that you can indeed be fired ;-)

  • Jakers

    If your salary doesn't increase with inflation then you are taking a pay cut. If everyone received auto COLA like reitrees and minimum wage workers, then inflation would just spiral out of control. So someone has to take the hit for the good of society and not get them.

  • Gomez

    Fallacious arguments from both sides distort the main point: Merit-based salary increases should be okay. Entitlement-driven automatic salary increases, and/or cost of living increases in years where cost of living doesn't rise in accord, should not.

  • Gomez

    I guess it's worth asking why a built-in rising standard of living should be required.

  • Gomez

    The whole thread above is a carefully worded troll. I don't have IP stats but I wouldn't be surprised if all three comments were by the exact same tweak.

  • Gomez

    Similar to what barleywine hinted at above, my mother's always badgered me to get into government work because of how out of proportion the pay and benefits were to the actual work required. The barriers are fairly thick and difficult to navigate (a lengthy application and interview process, extensive reference checks and competition with dozens or even hundreds of other applicants), but traditionally once you're in, you're in and you're going to get paid.

    Now SHOULD it be this way? As the above comments imply that's a whole serious debate in and of itself. But the bottom line is that governments now more than ever are struggling badly to make ends meet and a big reason for that is the bloated compensation they offer to their workers at all levels, and like the universe that compensation has always expanded. People may not like it but that compensation may need to shrink in order for governments to meet their obligations to the public they're intended to serve.

  • Gomez

    No one argues for you to receive bonuses because you don't work in retail or sales, genius.

    You work for the government. You are compensated for what you better than 90+% of the people doing your job.

  • Gomez

    ^ what you do

    You get the idea.

  • Gomez

    'Should' is a subjective opinion and like all other 'shoulds' may not reflect the parameters feasibility or reality.

    Yeah, it'd be great if everyone had comprehensive health insurance. And given the status quo it would bankrupt the country and/or completely stall the economy in a hurry for various reasons.

    It'd be great if/when we can fix the health care system and/or our collective personal habits so that this wouldn't happen if everyone were covered in full, but in the meantime here we are and, yes, relatively speaking when looking at all careers across the board government benefits are 'cushy'.

  • Gomez

    'Rich', like 'should', is a relative term. I just got a pretty big raise via a new job, and I sure do feel rich personally, even though in the end I probably still make less money and get fewer benefits than most of the commenters spouting here.

    You can be as rich as you want. It's a matter of how you spend your money and what responsibilities you choose to take on therewith. I think one problem is that people take on middle class salaries and then proceed to over-extend themselves until nearly every dollar is spent in advance, and then come back to us with tales of struggling to make ends meet and that $40-50K isn't enough to feed a family. Well, of course it isn't… if you have wasteful spending habits.

  • Johns

    “with the rest of your type” is hardly an easy statement to quantify as “the truth”.

  • KingCountyEmployee

    I presume by calling me “genius” who either know me or are being disparaging. I'll ignore it either way since I'm trying to make comments that contribute to a reasonable discussion.

    Are you saying that only people who work in retail or sales make bonuses? I think you may be thinking about commissions, because I know attorneys, management consultants, bankers, programmers, finance analysts, and programmers who all made or make bonuses as part of their compensation. The work I do require similar skills as some of my friends' occupations – they get bonuses and make more money than I do. (They also hate their jobs, which I don't.) Perhaps you don't have friends in these occupations, but I am not talking about people who work in retail/sales.

  • Gomez

    Right. All of your examples all employees of private for-profit institutions. The government is not a for-profit organization. If you want a job where your performance leads to bonuses, you should probably find another job because you're not in the right line of work for that M.O.

  • KingCountyEmployee

    OK, I realize my comment was a little nuanced for some. I'll try to spell it out. My point was that people like comparing public sector wages to the private sector when the private sector is doing poorly. When the private sector is doing well, no one's arguing for equity for the public sector.

    Let me also say I am NOT opposed to forgoing COLA in 2011 if there's no cost of living increase or even to recognize the difficult times the county is facing. However, I'm tired of people saying county employees are selfish and don't deserve the compensation they get. When the private sector is high-flying we at the county do not share in those huge salary increases or bonuses. Yet, we are expected to share in the pain when private sector salaries are decreasing. It's contradictory. Basically what people are saying is if you work in the public sector you shouldn't get compensated as well as the private sector.

    As I said, there were opportunities for me to leave the public sector for better paying jobs in the private sector and I didn't take them and I'm happy with my choice. Those in the private sector who aren't happy with their choices should reconsider them.

  • Barleywine

    You must know me from my old drinking days, and I can assure right now that they really haven't changed much.

    I've changed blogs, but:

    I caught up with you yesterday
    Moving game to game
    No one standing in your way
    Turning on the charm
    Long enough to get you by
    You're still the same

  • Gomez

    One point that's missing here is that public sector wages are guaranteed to rise no matter how the economy is doing. While KC is not part of the private sector, it does oversee the general economy… so how the latter is doing overall probably should matter to how your compensation changes.

  • Duh

    Could it be possible that T_Chen, in the post below, is either so naive or so ignorant as to not understand that Honda et al pay a little bit higher wages specifically to keep the unions out? They don't dare lower them, or decrease benefits, because that will make the UAW more attractive to the workers.

    When did this country get so stupid?