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South Bellevue Residents: No Light Rail in Our Backyards

In a crowded and often heated public meeting at Bellevue City Hall yesterday, proponents of the so-called B7 Sound Transit light rail alignment through the city objected loudly to a Sound Transit presentation that did not include the alignment. The point of the presentation was to gauge Bellevue residents’ preferences among several different options for each section of the 112th Avenue alignment, which would run along 112th Ave. SE through the Surrey Downs neighborhood toward downtown Bellevue.

The Sound Transit board prefers the 112th alignment because it has higher ridership and serves more jobs and residences than all the other alternatives, and because it serves the South Bellevue park and ride. A slim majority of the Bellevue City Council, along with many residents of South Bellevue, prefer B7 for precisely the opposite reasons: It would run along I-405, far away from most businesses and residences, and would skip the park and ride.

It didn’t take long for last night’s meeting to devolve into a debate about the two potential alignments. Asked to use special controllers to vote between various options for each segment of the 112th Ave. alignment (for example: On the middle of the street vs. on the side), participants became increasingly rowdy, protesting loudly that they didn’t like any of the options.

“Is there a way just to say no?” one woman asked. “Not ‘no preference,’ but no?” Another groused to me, “They’re giving us these nebulous, arbitrary options, but there’s no way to say ‘none of the above.’” After a Sound Transit moderator explained that “no preference” meant “no strong feelings about any alternative” (prompting bitter laughter around the room), people started yelling, “Don’t vote! Don’t vote!”

Participants argued that Sound Transit’s preferred alignment would destroy property values, ruin the wetlands around the Mercer Slough on the south end of Bellevue, and create unbearable traffic near Bellevue High School, which is undergoing a major, yearslong renovation. Several also brought up the fate of the Bellevue Club, a country club and golf course that would lose a few tennis courts to rail right-of-way.

“You don’t live here!” one man shouted at the moderator. “Do you belong to the Bellevue Club?”

“You’re going to kill the old Bellevue,” another yelled. “The construction is going to drive people away and the old area will die!”

Some residents brought up slightly more specific concerns. For example, one woman said that if Sound Transit picks 112th, the agency should buy up not just houses in the right-of-way (as many as 46 residences could be displaced under one option, but other options have much less impact), it should buy nearby houses too, because “no one will want to live there.”

“Why don’t you buy the houses that people don’t want to live in anymore because they don’t want to live next to Sound Transit?” she said.

Another woman predicted economic devastation. “No matter what you do on 112th, you’re going to impact the value of all the homes and businesses around there. It’s going to be a huge socioeconomic impact. … People just aren’t going to come here.”

Contrary to the Bellevue residents’ statements, study after study has shown that light rail actually increases property values, particularly around stations. Frequently, the jumps have been in the double digits. Additionally, rail decreases congestion by taking pressure off streets as people use transit instead of driving. In almost all cases, it’s a win-win.

But fears about light rail, like fears about new multifamily housing, are largely irrational: People don’t know what it will be like to live with rail, so they oppose it. If Bellevue residents were willing to drive out of their city and check out rail in Seattle, though—I suggest walking from the Columbia City station through the neighborhood to downtown Columbia City—I think they’d be pleasantly surprised.




  • http://peacetreefarm.org N in Seattle

    Once, just once, I'd like to hear about people who don't want something to be built in *somebody else's* backyard.

    As for this, it's the 84625th instance of “dog bites man” … not news.

  • Matt_the_Engineer

    Well shit. I didn't know they could lose tennis courts, or I wouldn't have voted yes on ST2.

  • Disappointed transit rider

    It's hard to be over-privileged, to be old and to have one's lifestyle heavily subsidized. The oppression tends to make one angry.

    I'm mean, after all, “Do you belong to the Bellevue Club?”

  • Troyjmorris

    How about this: $5 tolls in the morning from East to West and $0 tolls from West to East. Then, in the evening $5 from West to East and $0 tolls from East to West.

    Look people of the Eastside, we don't like how you've grown and caused traffic on I-5 bottle-necking at 520. You ruined our slough. Yes, we complain, but we offer up a solution that's solved this problem for over 200 years.

  • Ragnar

    I don't think the people who live in Bellevue (or anywhere in the NW) know what “old” means. They need to grow up and realize that the world is a big place, and needs property systems for getting around. London, Paris – subways built over 100 years ago…

  • http://twitter.com/VoteSizemore Scott Sizemore

    When I lived in New York, the absolute best place to live was next to a train line. I don't understand why people wouldn't want quick access to the rails.

  • imissbellevuedick's

    Politely, most of these people whining about light rail are the jerks who wrecked what “old Bellevue” was. I remember how the place looked in the 80s, before Kemper Freeman and his stolen land had turned cute little Bellevue Square into the monstrosity that it is today…they forget that “old Bellevue” had no traffic to speak of and wasn't a destination.

    I got out. There should be alternatives so that the choice isn't “have a car or leave.” Light rail is an important first step toward that.

  • Gomez

    But fears about light rail, like fears about new multifamily housing, are largely irrational: People don’t know what it will be like to live with rail, so they oppose it.

    Actually, they CAN know: There are families in Tukwila, Rainier Beach and elsewhere in the south end who have lived with it since it went live last summer. Maybe they could look these people up and get some advice on what they could expect with a rail line near their homes.

  • Bradley Scott

    I love the idiotic “no one will live next to a train” argument. Seems that plenty of people live next to much louder trains in Chicago, New York, and other major cities. And those are the most desired locations to live because of close transportation.

  • Bradley Scott

    Spot on. When I lived on the northside of Chicago the brownstones close to an L were the most sought after properties. When they be for sale they would sell for much higher than those farther away.

  • benschiendelman

    It seems like the advertisements for property near light rail that trumpet proximity should let them know it's a positive.

  • http://twitter.com/meganle Megan Le

    I live in downtown Bellevue and SO WISH that we had public transportation….why are so focused on spending hours in our car?? Seattle has a reputation for being so progressive related to transportation and it is painfully obvious that's just a nasty rumor. I lived in a European city for 2 years without a car and LOVED it- life is such much easier when you have fantastic public transit options. Come on guys- we all know gas guzzling cars is NOT a sustainable way of life….

  • Good_Grief

    Yeah — those families in Tukwila are THRILLED, aren't they?

  • T_Chen

    For the record, I am a strong supporter of expanding light rail and transit generally, but a distinction must be made between having a stop near your home and having an elevated or at grade train pass near your house. If your house is near a station, that is likely to increase your property value and livability. If you just have a train pass, especially a squeaky one, but the next station is miles away, this is probably going to hurt property values.

    For example, I do have some sympathy for the folks in between the Rainier Beach and Tukwila station within earshot of Central Link who don't have easy access to either station but hear its screeching. BUT, they also live near a freeway, so it's not like the train is completely out of place.

    But the Surrey Downs folks seem extremely petty and reactionary. Complaining over the loss of a few tennis courts in exchange for a crucial regional rail link is really NIMBYish. I wonder if they would oppose additional road, bridge or highway construction EVERYWHERE if it adversely affected even one homeowner?

  • Gomez

    Right, because advertisements are always reliable information resources.

  • start over

    Report: 98 Percent Of U.S. Commuters Favor Public Transportation For Others
    http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-98-perc…

  • morning

    If you take the time to read the studies linked, you will see that by and large the arguments made by the home owners are true. The studies show that there is gain near stations, but that homes too near the line, 900 feet, experience decreased values.

    It also appears that certain consultants gave the results the advocates wanted and therefore, were retained more often.

    The line being discussed is not going through the kind of dense areas where property values experienced gains. This line would better be compared to a commuter line in that it has few stops and runs at grade.

    The best results are in office areas and apartment houses. Many of the studies neglect the impact of zoning changes, which make the biggest impact on land and building vales.

    Currently, people living near the Link line have been exposed to very high noise levels.

  • morning

    Ever see the ads next to the freeway that say “if you lived here you'd be home now”?

  • Donolectic

    “It also appears that certain consultants gave the results the advocates wanted and therefore, were retained more often.”

    Which consultants? When? What studies are you referencing where this is the case?

    “Currently, people living near the Link line have been exposed to very high noise levels. “

    All people? Some people? A small fragment of people near one section where the wheels squeek around a corner and Sound Transit is working hard towards a permanent solution? Care to define what you mean by people?

  • jason

    Spot on.

  • morning

    Why don't you form a REIT and buy up all those properties on 112th and then cash in when the values skyrocket?

    Rail grinding last winter improved the sound on much of the line, but loudness inexplicably increased near the river, Gray said. Neighbor David Shumate, who started taking noise measurements last year, said the new vinyl barrier has lowered the volume about 3 decibels, but he says noise is still 82-83 decibels, similar to what a Sound Transit noise consultant, Michael Minor & Associates, documented last year.

    A reading of 83 decibels is similar to standing alongside a kitchen garbage disposal. The cumulative effect of trains running up to 19 hours a day exceeded Federal Transit Administration standards for residential areas, the official study found.

    Other loud spots include the south Tukwila curve at Highway 518, track switches in Rainier Valley and intersections along Seattle's Martin Luther King Jr. Way South, where train bells or clanging alarms annoy some neighbors. Bell volumes were recently lowered, but transit officials warned traffic safety will be compromised.

    The agency has received 60 to 70 noise complaints, as well as 100 petition signatures from people in the Duwamish area. At least three senior managers visited homes last week, Gray said.

  • Qwerty123

    “Once, just once, I'd like to hear about people who don't want something to be built in somebody else's backyard.”

    Please, Sound Transit, take away these fools' light rail money and build a line connecting West Seattle and downtown. I live near Westwood Town Center. My backyard is enthusiastic.

    (Seriously, there should be some kind of escape clause from sub-area equity – which is why East Link is getting built instead of what we would like to dub the Westside High Occupancy Rail Extension – if the sub-area is dumb.)

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    “There are families in Tukwila, Rainier Beach…”

    Silly Gomez, those are poor people. They have different needs, emotions, and thoughts than our neighbors across the lake, so it's a false analogy.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Hell, make lines that run from Olympia to Tacoma to the airport, and then build a west-side link from West Seattle back up to downtown. Then from downtown up through Interbay, to the north suburbs and a nice central area like up where the Sears is, for people to ride to downtown and beyond.

    Screw Kemper. He can keep his little irrelevant fiefdom; we'll move forward and leave his neighbors behind.

  • Gomez

    Oh crap, you're right Joe! My bad….

  • Sigh

    Not surprising. I grew up in Bellevue in the 80s. Left in '90 and haven't looked back.

    This alignment will not kill Bellevue, old or new. That was done, as was mentioned above, then Kemper Freeman bulldozed a handful of loosely connected stores to build Bellevue Square, and kicked off mad development. The character of what Bellevue was when I was a kid is gone. Now, it's…I don't know how to describe it best. It feels sterile and busy and rushed. Simply put…it sucks.

    As for the question if the presenters even belong to the Bellevue Club…is that supposed to be a test of the validity of their opinions? Is the Club now open to all Bellevue residents (yeah, like the Surry Downs folks will want to rub elbows with the crowd from Overlake and Lake Heights). The Bellevue Club is nothing special. It's just an athletic club trying to be more. It was a great gym/pool/tennis facility, but that was about it. Now…bulldoze it all for a huge transit hub!

  • The bankruptcy

    People are ready to defenestrate Liburb planners from their 200 storey high rise habitrail one-bedroom condos.

    They are saying — stop taxing up with schemes and slimey projects.

    People want cars and highways and affordable single family homes with yards and land.

    They don't want a bunch of thieves from Seattle picking their pockets.

  • Big Bob

    As much as I'd like to believe this story and its tales of old whitey wingnuts complaining about impacts to their old whitey wingnut athletic clubs, I suspect you have hyped the stupid hilarity of the meeting in an attempt to draw us to the next one.

    In order to sustain their wingnuttyness, I think there should be another option. No state transportation money period. Live in your enclave, and if you need to cross the lake, do it the old fashioned way – swim.

  • T_Chen

    And how will people pay for the cars and highways and the utilities and water to support those homes? How will they pay for the costs of the oil to the environment, atmosphere, national budget, etc.? How do you get all that without taxes, and schemes and slimey projects and big government?

  • MudBaby

    Eff Kemper. Condemn their freaking land and build it already.

  • T_Chen

    Well, that's what the Tea Party wants, right? Stop taxing us to build highways and bridges, to pay for Social Security and Medicare, and futile and non-essential foreign wars. Right…?

  • Donolectic

    With sub-area equity, the thieves are themselves. This money was raised in East King County and will stay there.

  • Donolectic

    Maybe Dino can give them tips!

  • TranspoGuy

    I don't think anyone from Surrey Downs will be venturing down to the Rainier Valley. The diversity and the soul of the Valley is the very thing these old white cranks fear.

  • TranspoGuy

    Yeah, ST should buy up all their property and then sell it to the highest bidding developer for a big-ass transit-oriented development project.

  • oscar

    i agree
    but some people see trains as “easy access” for “undesirables”
    sad but true

  • ny tore down 3d ave el, too.

    bullshit, the train tracks in NYC that go out of the ground usually mark a transition from a neighborhood of higher real estate values, to lower ones. the division between the upper east side and spanish harlem is exactly where the 6 train surfaces, duh. out in queens and the boroughs, they have lots of elevated tracks and it's not desirable to be right next to a noisy train track. being within walking distance of a station is a plus and boosts real estate value.

    it would be more credible if train proponents admitted that not every single thing about a train is a positive, it's a net positive, that's the point, and we voter for it, that's the point, but mocking people who get harmed by it and saying they're idiots is neither honest nor effective advocay.

  • honest train backer

    hard to have TOD when the houses in question aren't within walking time to a station.

  • TranspoGuy

    Put a station there, tear down the ugly 50s ranch houses and develop some serious TOD there. Oh, and give some of the profits back to the Japanese farmers from whom the land was stolen from in the first place.

  • Donolectic

    If they were known to have frequented those places even once, it might lower their property values. Nobody would buy their homes!

  • T_Chen

    You know, Bellevue has a similar percentage of non-whites as Seattle. It also has quite a few recent immigrants. I won't deny there are some racists there (and in every place on Earth), but it's more probable that the bigger fear is crime, which is legitimate. Bellevue averages less than 1 murder per year, in a city of ~130,000. Rainier Valley, with a tiny fraction of that population averages many more. (There were 6 homicides there in 2008, for example.)

    If we, as transit advocates, deal with reasonable concerns in a fair manner, I think we're more likely to be taken seriously.

  • SDSurfer

    Yes, but how many of them actually use it?

  • SDSurfer

    Pay for highways? They're paid with gas taxes, the people who use them, pay for them. We all pay for light rail projects that only a small percent of us ever use.

    How do we pay for cars, without taxes and big government? With respect, what kind of question is that???

  • SDSurfer

    Nice try, Straw Man.

  • SDSurfer

    Light rail is a government employment project masquerading as transportation. The rest of the world has realized it has run out of other people's money but many of you still think you live in a world where deficits, cost overruns, and bloated bureaucracy don't matter.

    Washington = the next California

  • SDSurfer

    Profits? What profits? There is not a single light rail project in the country that earns a “profit.”

  • Transpo Guy

    I'm talking about the profits from the development.

  • TranspoGuy

    Yes, Bellevue as a whole is a lot more diverse than I think most people realize. But, I'm talking about Surrey Downs and, more specifically, the NIMBY anti-light rail crowd and Kemper Freeman backed ideologues who have been doing almost everything possible to stop light rail for years now. Kemper and his family's racist history is well documented. And, I do believe, based on conversations with them, that many of the most vocal Surrey Downs opponents to light rail are motivated by race-based fear.

  • Donolectic

    So what's your solution besides whining about using other peoples money?

  • T_Chen

    If only they could be as profitable as America's, streets, freeways and bridges!