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Council Interested in Police Body Cameras, Skeptical About Cost Savings

At an hourlong “brown bag” hosted by city council member Bruce Harrell today, two companies that make body cameras for cops made their case to the city council’s energy and technology committee this afternoon that their technology would improve police accountability, reduce complaints of police misconduct, and save the city hundreds of thousands of dollars in court costs.

The two companies—Taser International and Vievu—had two primary arguments: First, that putting cameras on officers’ torsos (Vievu) or their heads (Taser, as seen on two audience members in the photo)—would reduce the number of bogus claims of police misconduct, and second, that it would save the city money in court costs and police overtime for officers who have to appear in court to defend themselves in misconduct cases.

“If you have video documentation, it reduces complaints by 50 percent” because people drop illegitimate complaints, Vievu president Steve Ward told the council. That reduction, Ward said, could save the city $2.7 million in litigation costs (i.e., half of what the city spend on litigation and settlements in 2008) and $853,000 in reductions to the Office of Professional Accountability (i.e., half the OPA’s budget). “You’re going to save so much money… That’s a lot of officers you could hire, so [that] the hiring freeze [at SPD] could [end],” Ward concluded.

Outfitting all SPD officers with cameras would cost somewhere in the range of $600,000.

Although council members seemed generally receptive to the idea of outfitting officers with cameras, after the discussion, several members expressed skepticism about the cost savings the two companies claimed would result from doing so.

“The cost-benefit numbers were a little dubious,” council president Richard Conlin said after the meeting. “Even if 50 percent of the complaints were dropped, it’s the bigger, more complex ones that drive up costs.”

Public safety committee chairman Tim Burgess echoed Conlin’s skepticism, saying that while it “may be true” that cameras would save the city money, the potential savings were “certainly not at the magnitude [Ward] suggested. He assumed that all legal settlements are of the same dollar value and they’re not—some are $500, some are a couple million dollars. We’re not going to save half that money.”

Council member Nick Licata said that while he’s intrigued by the idea of cameras on cops, the real issue is whether police use them appropriately. “The big problem is police following protocol,” Licata said, noting that none of the officers in two high-profile recent cases involving police use of force ever filed a use-of-force report. “In both instances, if a police officer had a body camera on them, I would hope that it would be on, but I could also imagine that it would be off.”


  • http://id.mocek.org/phil pmocek

    This would be great *if* there's a strong policy of accounting for deletions of the recordings. Police are our eyes and ears. They should not be allowed to erase something they recorded for us until after we've had a chance to look at it.

  • sorrytony

    You go, Nick Licata. Why have we not heard this piece of information (that there were no use of force statements completed by any of the officers involved in the recent videotaped incidents) from anyone else? Glad Licata is on the Council to follow up on such issues.

  • mookie

    I heard that one of the next actions is to verify whether the cost benefits pencil out. Regardless, I think this is a great idea that could cause citizens and officers to be more accountable for their actions. It would be great if the funding could be found. if the savings to turn out to be true, that is an added bonus–accountability and savings. Winner! I applaud Harrell for exploring this.

  • flippy

    Agreed. I think this is a cool proposal. Hopefully they can find the cash to make it fly. Nice job Bruce!

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    And no one asked these companies to provide studies, references, or white papers proving their fiscal claims? What?

  • sarah68

    Thank you, Joe. These guys are marketing their products and the Council is supposed to take their word as experts?

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Thanks. It's all a bit weird. No one in the Council or media quizzed them on this or asked or mentioned it? Yeah, the Council said “if the numbers are good,” but… uh… fact checking 101?

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    That's the sort of policy that can be crafted easily to make the risk of doing 'bad' punitive enough that no one in their right minds would do it.

  • Troy

    Did anyone ask the company reps if the decreases they cite came in police departments that did not already have cameras in cars? Seattle has had cameras in cars for several years now.

  • Bob Jones

    Did you even look at the presentations? The info can be found on the Seattle website. The numbers are from 2 independant studies. 1 in the UK and 1 done in the US.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Perhaps you noticed the lack of outbound links from this article? It's on the news services to do things like this. Yes, I could have looked–and know how to. But the average reader doesn't. The lack of that sort of thing is and remains still my only gripe about Publicola. You're an online news source; don't limit yourself to print formatting. Print is dead.

  • "Hey let's make a list!"

    Data from other cities — heck, they didn't even have the data from our city!

    the council and the mayor and the city attorney and john diaz and the public should have at our fingertips total claims amount of settlements
    amount of verdicts judgements etc. legal cost for each.

    Um, we don't have that data.

    Is anyone running the store?

  • Bob Jones

    I agree completely. There is a little too much opinion in the selection of the quotes. Where's the part where Taser said they could save the city over 5 million when their cameras cost twice as much (1800) and require a monthly subscription……..

  • Nyconven

    Great forward thinking Bruce- I think these cameras would save a significant amount of money in all types of cases as it would bring forward evidence that is currently not available which can only help to resolve cases sooner. Also, that new evidence could speed convictions as well as dismissals which is another form of cost savings and will serve to unclog the justice system.

  • flippy

    That data is available–do a public records request, or check out the new crime reports online.

  • Robert Peel

    Yep, cameras could certainly help in court i.e get more convictions. Just like the camera did when ex-deputy Paul Schene was charged with assault!

    Don't get me wrong, cameras can be a good thing. But keep your expectations realistic!