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I’m With the SPD On This One


We haven’t covered the SPD jaywalking incident much here at PubliCola—cops aren’t really our beat, and the story, frankly, seemed like a bit of a tempest in a teapot—but the reaction to the video, which shows two young women assaulting a police officer, who goes on to punch one of the women in the face, has me in Crank mode.

The reactions, for those who haven’t been keeping up on local blogs, have included the following:

1) Jaywalking shouldn’t be illegal. In fact—according to Dan Savage—it should be encouraged.

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2) Because the girls were black and the cop was white, the cop was committing a bias crime.

3) Cops shouldn’t hit women.

I’m ignoring that last one—because, seriously, it’s 2010—and addressing the other two in turn.

First, yes, jaywalking can be an environmental positive. On busy urban streets, jaywalkers can help calm traffic (because drivers are more cautious when surrounded by pedestrians; see, for example, Pike Place Market) and make things safer for everybody.

But anyone who says that principle applies equally to busy city streets and the highway-like stretch of MLK where the four girls were jaywalking clearly hasn’t been down there. The area where MLK and Rainier Ave. intersect is a massive arterial that has more in common with Aurora Avenue or I-5 than it does with, say, the intersection of 10th and Pine.

Between 2002 and 2006, according to the Seattle P-I, 61 pedestrians were struck by cars on Rainier, making it the most dangerous corridor for pedestrian-car accidents in the city. “Encouraging” people, in this case kids attending Franklin High School, to jaywalk across that road—where traffic frequently moves in excess of 50 mph—is irresponsible.

Not to mention the fact that the school district actually has asked the police department to watch out for jaywalkers at that intersection, which happens to also feature a pedestrian bridge over Rainier to Franklin.

The solution, obviously, is to add more stoplights along both MLK (where this has been done, with some success) and Rainier (which remains a freeway for commuters from South Seattle and Renton) so that traffic will be forced to slow down. In the absence of a comprehensive solution, though, pedestrians should be discouraged from dashing across Rainier—an imperfect solution that includes enforcement of Seattle’s jaywalking laws.

2) Watch the tape. The first girl clearly resists arrest, which—whether the arrest is fair or not—you don’t do, even if the officer is wrong. The second girl then shoves the cop, hard. That’s how you get your ass beat.  It isn’t racist to fight back when you’re literally under assault (and outnumbered). That’s just human nature—and, for that matter, police policy. If the officer had Tased the girl, we’d be having this same conversation. If he’d taken out his gun or nightstick—same thing. The fact that he merely clocked her, in context, seems like restraint, not excessive force.

Don’t believe this white girl? Check out what Sable Verity (PubliCola’s onetime SoulNerd!) has to say:

We need to keep it real with ourselves and each other, as a people.  We can not go around excusing bad behavior because of (insert random justification here).

It’s not about what the cop did.  It’s not about institutionalized racism in law enforcement.  Nothing excuses or justifies their behavior.  You don’t go around fighting with police officers, and for those who seek to excuse these girls, you’re doing them a disservice in life, sending the message that they have a right to behave in that fashion and not expect some sort of consequence.

When I watch the video, I don’t see two girls defending themselves from an overzealous cop.  Instead, I see two flagrantly disrespectful girls who probably talk to their parents, to teachers, to strangers, the same way they spoke to and dealt with the officer in the video.  I see two girls who come from a mentality that says they have the right to disregard authority, that they have the right to disrespect anyone for any reason.  I see belligerent anger out of control.  I see bullies.




  • good_grief

    Was this an overreaction from the officer? Well maybe, but you put your hands on a cop and pretty much all bets are off on what happens to you next, and that's probably how it should be.

    According to the Times, Marilyn Ellen Levias assulted a KC Sherriff a little over a year ago, so this ain't her first rodeo. She got off easy with a deferred disposition and clearly learned her lesson that it is OK to behave this way.

    On the plus side, it's nice to see Pete Holmes make as big an ass of himself as many of us thought he would.

  • us

    Excellent post. Interesting response from the black establishment (NAACP, Urban League)–they were quick to yell racism, even though the tape clearly shows that the cop was in the right. Think it had anything to do with the new police chief decision timing???

  • the side

    Road Diet

  • the side

    Great posting by the way, but with a title of “I'm with SPD on this one” shouldn't this be in the “Opinion” section, and not the “News” category?

  • http://twitter.com/fattailed fattailed

    It's easy to make a convincing case when you pick the opposing arguments you're going to bother to address based on what's the most ridiculous counterpoint rather than the best counterpoint.

  • Gomez

    This is one of those cases where everyone involved loses. The cop gets into a no-win situation on a freaking jaywalk stop where he's outnumbered, not to mention against some belligerent suspects (who eventually make the stupid decision to physically attack the cop)… doesn't exactly make the best effort to diffuse the situation, and then does the dumbest and most damaging thing possible once physically attacked. Oh, and the girl in question had a record, so this wasn't something new on her part.

    As for jaywalking, this is my opinion and you're free to hate this idea all you want, I don't care: It strikes me as something that should be decriminalized the way pot was with I-75… though handle it a little differently. Sure, keep it on the books as an offense, but make it an asbolvent offense: Basically, if you jaywalk and end up getting hit by a vehicle, the driver is not held liable since your breaking of the law led to the accident (outside of any willing, malicious activity by motorists, of course).

    This will eliminate the need for cops to waste their energy on babysitting pedestrians, while maintaining sufficient legal leverage to deter rampant, irresponsible jaywalking while ignoring people who jaywalk responsibly when the street is clear.

  • Random Engineer

    What opposing argument can you possibly be referencing?

    These girls were beyond obnoxious and were truly belligerent from the moment they decided to cross at that intersection as a hazard to themselves and the public because they were too lazy to walk their fat asses up the spiral ramp to an over-crossing just a few feet away.

    I am absolutely glad this cop confronted them for their behavior. They had it coming, and the public commonwealth is better for it.

  • Random Engineer

    You don't drive along Rainier on a regular basis do you? I do.

    Crossing at the location in question, outside of any markings and feet away from a proper crossing facility, is the height of selfishness and a hazard to more than just the person making the crossing.

    You're a moron.

  • Gomez

    I will add this: The craziest part about that case (as ECB mentioned) is that there was a pedestrian bridge right above them. They could have taken an extra few seconds and just walked over the intersection! It wasn't just dangerous and ill advised jaywalking, but stupid and pointless jaywalking as well.

  • Rob

    When you Jaywalk on Rainer, you're risking your life. The intersection in question is one of the most dangerous intersections in the area.

    While there's no question of a long history or institutional racial discrimination, in this case the cop was correct.

  • downbythefreeway

    makes sense in a world where jaywalking only endangers the jaywalker, not the driver, passengers, bystanders and etc.

    also a world where we place no value on human life.

  • Mikos

    The idea that prosecuting 17 year olds for jaywalking is some how good policy is so inane it brings into question the intelligence and sanity of its authors. And Erica, a cop who responds to the big mouth of a teenager by throwing a punch is in the wrong business and shouldn't be a parent either.

  • Random Engineer

    Why should a 17 year old be immune from being confronted by authority when they do something as stupid as that act of jaywalking? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

    He wasn't responding to being talked back to, he was responding to being shoved off balance. He's an armed officer, he has an obligation to maintain control of the situation that is paramount.

  • misha

    Yes, it does matter that the victim was a small teenage girl as opposed to a large man. A punch to the face to someone much smaller is often fatal. This cop needs to be charged with 1) assault, for unlawfully groping and restraining the first victim, and 2) attempted homicide, for trying to murder the second victim out of rage when she tried to stop the first assault.

    Unfortunately, under John Diaz, cops are immune to the law. They can detain, assault, and murder citizens without cause or recourse, as has been shown on video for the fourth time in the past year.

  • Guybrarian

    While, I agree that this situation is pretty much a lose-lose for everyone involved, let's remember that this all started because a cop tried to arrest two teenagers for jaywalking. Therein lies the problem. Rather than busting some teens for jaywalking, why not better use your law enforcement address REAL issues to make the streets safer. I'm not saying that the teens didn't react confrontationally, but it's ultimately the cops fault for instigating the event, letting it get out of hand, and then handling it in one of the worse possible manners. As Mikos says: “a cop who responds to the big mouth of a teenager by throwing a punch is in the wrong business.”

  • N8

    Erica said it best: the video “shows two young women assaulting a police officer.”

    Jaywalking shouldn't be illegal because when people are jaywalking, normally the are more aware of the risks of traffic as opposed to mindless walking when a light tells them that they can.

    Now for my rant against aggressive walkers. When the walk light changes to a flashing do not walk, that means do not enter the intersection. If you decide to enter, understand that you are jaywalking and pay attention to cars that have the right-of-way to turn right.

  • Random Engineer

    I'm not even going to bother with this one.

  • misha

    Um, I'm pretty sure it's the lazy, inattentive car driver is the hazard, not the person walking across the street.

    Car drivers are the #1 killer of young people (under 40) in King County. I'm pretty sure a jaywalker has never killed anyone. I would say the person participating in the #1 most deadly act is the person who is at “the height of selfishness.”

    Pedestrian bridges are a joke and are designed to be ignored. SDOT knows that most pedestrians ignore them, and they placed it there regardless. Irresponsible.

  • N8

    Yes, this really shows that the NAACP and Urban League are at least just as racists as the rest of us (yes, that means you, Publicola reader, even if you don't believe it or lack the self-awareness to know it).

  • Random Engineer

    “Problem”? Again, have you been to this intersection, observed the traffic rolling there? You may want to put the intersection on a “diet”, which might be something, but jaywalking by teenagers in flagrant disrespect for the laws of the commonwealth is not a solution. This girl wasn't just talking trash, she shoved a cop (with a gun) so that he momentarily lost balance. That deserves an overwhelming response, including a punch to the mouth.

  • N8

    Not only was he correct, I believe that he was overly patient while being assaulted.

  • N8

    Mikos, are you blind!? did you not see the the girl and women assaulting the officer!?

  • rico

    Jaywalking doeas affect all of us. I see it all the time in downtown, the inteligent jaywalkers do not do ti in front of a cop and also only do it when the road is clear. Others who I see jaywalk weekly make a point of slowing down the cars as if they are making some type of “class” protest.

    You should care because many of the jaywalkers do not have insurance and you are gonna pay to fix them up when they get hit. THis is a societal issue…

  • misha

    The woman was trying to get away from the cop who was grabbing and groping her (because of JAYWALKING). The teenage girl pushed him away, and she was successful at freeing her from her attacker.

    Punching a girl in the face for freeing her friend is clearly retribution. There was no other reason to punch her since his captive was already freed.

  • Meanie

    Your a unrepentant idiot, and probably blind. The odds of a blow to the face being fatal are far less than:

    A tazer (1 in 1000 chance of death )
    A forced compliance drop to the ground by the officer. (injury from impact )
    The officers firearm. ( non lethal shots are rare )

    All of which were options the moment the second suspect decided to assault the officer.

    I have said this in other comments on other sites, the only question to ask is if this wasn't a cop, just a random person, Was he assaulted, and did he act in self defense? The answer is a overwhelming yes. Everything else is armchair quarterbacking, and as far as race and gender issues, a manufactured controversy around the fact there is a tape.

  • Gomez

    Oh, I was only referring specifically to Rainier? An intersection I later said was a stupid place to jaywalk because of the pedestrian overpass? I had no idea. Thanks for the clarification!

  • hmmmm

    Incidents like this where there is provocation of a cop are always hyped to somehow “prove” that brutality incidents are all like this depiction.

    Meanwhile, the ones where it is clear that the cop was looking for a problem and created one don't see that much attention. But digging into the roster of settled suits against the SPD might provide some light, if a journalist was willing to go digging at the KC courthouse. Until then all of the hype about this story just feeds the SPD narritive: we feared for our lives.

  • Gomez

    Who says the jaywalker is inherently endangering him/herself? If they cross judiciously, there is little danger. If they're worried about their ability to do so, they can cross legally at an intersection.

    There's nothing inhumane about this stance, any more than saying it's okay to commute to work on highways where you could get in a no-fault fatal accident.

  • misha

    Huh?

    1) Random person grabs your friend on the street and doesn't let them go, despite them struggling to free themself.

    2) You push the random person away to free your friend.

    3) Random person punches you in the face.

    You are saying YOU are the one committing assault here. Wow.

  • Guybrarian

    Of course I've been to this intersection; I live in this neighborhood, and I rely on walking, biking, and public transportation to get around.

    I wholly admit that these teenagers put themselves in a dangerous and precarious situation, but that in no way excuses the cops complete mishandling of a situation that shouldn't have even been a situation in the first place.

    Funny, that you mention the possibility of “put(ting) the intersection on a 'diet'.” Well, put your money where you mouth is, Random Engineer; if you really care about your community, slow down or, gasp!, get out of your car for a change. Like I said, these teenagers could've made a smarter choice before jaywalking, but, in the grand scheme of things, you and your car are the problem, not the pedestrians.

  • 20-year South ender

    N8, there are no crosswalks nor walk/wait lights at this particular intersection because the City built a pedestrian skybridge over both Rainier and MLK. It's just empty asphalt with no cues to drivers that pedestrians might be crossing there.

  • N8

    My rant was about walkers in general, not related to this particular situation.

  • 20-year South ender

    Yeah, right, Mikos. When the police officer, attempting to do his duty, gets assaulted by two young punks, his response should be to back off and say “OK, stop; you win. I'm gone”?

    For the life of me, I can't fathom a positive long-term future were that to become the norm.

  • misha

    “shows two young women assaulting a police officer”

    This is flat-out libelous. The 19-year old woman wasn't even charged with assault, so you can't even say she “allegedly assaulted a police officer.” She tried to pull herself away from a police officer who grabbed her without cause and wouldn't let her go.

  • N8

    “captive was already freed” makes no sense.
    “Groping” There was nothing sexual about this.

    “Trying to get away from the cop” You're right on this, except for it is called resisting arrest or alluding a police officer.

    “JAYWALKING” Is that to imply that we can choose which laws they/we follow?

    “Freeing her friend” Let's all go to the jail and free our friends from the police!

    “Retribution” Maybe, but you are guessing on that, but she was assaulting the police officer when she got punched.

  • saddadbadhad

    Random person? It was a police officer with the lawful right and duty to detain a law breaker. That's what civil societies provide, you know.

    Count me as one unrepentant liberal and social justice activist who believes you have lost all perspective and are a danger to yourself and young people in your sphere.

    We should change the laws we don't like, not ignore them. I believe in the rule of law, don't you?

  • N8

    A uniformed police officer is not a random person.

    Misha you are now in the same classification as @ivan, arguing with you is worthless cause you will stick with your blindly bigoted ways!

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    I'm with the police on this, but have some sympathy.

    The girl jaywalks. An officer in police car attempts to ticket her.

    Now, I'm not a resident of the Central District, but I might imagine that if I were, and a policeman out of nowhere was approaching me, I could get upset…especially if it was a time I wasn't doing anything remotely illegal.

    So, you have to see it from people's expectations.

    The police officer thinks he's making a traffic violation stop.

    The girl thinks she's being picket up by the cops.

    Clash of perception.

  • misha

    Please read the comment that I was responding to. I was replying to Meanie's hypothetical. If the police officer was a random person, obviously that random person would be in prison.

    And you must be an “activist against social justice” if you don't believe in civil disobedience.

  • misha

    Please read the comment that I was responding to. I was replying to Meanie's hypothetical. If the police officer was a random person, obviously that random person would be in prison.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    “A punch to the face to someone much smaller is often fatal.”

    Meanwhile, in my Seattle neighborhood, we often break out into musical numbers. TV shows like Glee are a realistic depiction of where I live.

    What neighborhood are you in, so I know to avoid the over-the-top Japanese cartoon-style fights that result in instantly fatal head shots that must be a constant there?

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    “Who says the jaywalker is inherently endangering him/herself? If they cross judiciously, there is little danger.”

    Until they didn't notice the Critical Mass swarm bearing down on them.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    The problem here is that

    A) jaywalking enforcement if jaywalkers aren't playing Frogger is a waste of time,

    B) the inherent nature of the system–it exists, my fellow whites–is that blacks and other minorities openly distrust the police, and in some cases with cause,

    C) some people culturally now believe–and this is the biggest failure of a lot of things–that they at times have to defend themselves against police.

  • ivan

    Come on! I have way more style than she does.

  • seandr

    Agreed on all points.

  • saddadbadhad

    When you punch or shove a police officer, that's not civil disobedience. Learn your history (Ghandi, MLK, Mario Savio, et al).

    And, no, a random person would not be in “prison” – we all maintain the right to defend ourselves when attacked, including police officers.

  • Edog

    Think you might be wrong. Yes, they were too fast and wrong on this one, but minorities are confronted by police over low level “offenses” more so than other people. As a community when they heard “jay walk” that might have meant more than it would to white ears.

  • Tony

    You really need to get familiar with the full story. The cop was already talking to another jaywalker when he witnessed the girls jaywalking. When he called them over to his car, they blatantly disregarded and disrespected him. Was he supposed to just let them walk away and allow them to think they don't have to respect authority figures?

    Also, how does enforcing jaywalking laws not qualify as keeping the streets safer? As Erica pointed out, cars are typically traveling at 50mph along that stretch, and with a pedestrian footbridge mere feet away from where these girls crossed, they were causing an unnecessary hazard.

    Story time: I almost hit a jaywalker along Rainier once, and in no way would it have been my fault (it was night and the point this moron chose to cross was very poorly lit), but that didn't stop the guy from thinking he was well within his rights to scream at me. Some people really are just that stupid.

  • Tony

    I probably shouldn't even respond to such an obvious troll, but you should really watch the video before commenting. There's nothing “small” about girl that got punched, nor is the cop particularly “large.” And the single punch he threw was nowhere near hard enough to be fatal (I'd also like to see your imaginary statistics on how often that actually happens).

  • Tony

    A girl stupid enough to assault a cop deserves a good punch in the face. If every cop showed the restraint (yes, restraint) that this one did, the world would be a better place.

  • Guybrarian

    I absolutely admit that jaywalking can be dangerous, which is why, as an avid pedestrian, I try to be smart and avoid it as much as possible. But you just completely undercut your argument when you reference how fast people drive down Rainier. As someone who has walked, biked, and driven down that street, I absolutely agree. So curb that by using the police to stop the reckless drivers, not pedestrians. I'm in no way claiming that jaywalking isn't one way to make a community, to a very small extent, safer, but there are FAR better uses of our police force's time. A stupid pedestrian only endangers themselves, however unfortunate. A reckless driver endangers far more people than themselves. I'm not saying that the teens weren't, in some ways, in the wrong, I'm just saying that there are FAR better uses of our police for than arresting jaywalkers, especially if they have to use arguably excessive force to do so.

  • Gomez

    Let's also not forget there was a pedestrian bridge right above them. There was no need to jaywalk there.

  • Bystander

    I completely agree with you on all points Erica

  • white girl alert

    Shit brother, I hear ya on that. When I lived in the Southend, I would almost daily run into some dude walking down the middle of the street and give me dirty looks. There were perfectly good sidewalks but it was there way of sayin' “F U Whitey!” — Sometime people would even say that exact quote, or a variation of it, to me.

  • Random Engineer

    And some teenagers are just plain obnoxious, and conduct themselves in a way that invites confrontation.

  • Guybrarian

    And those that accept this “invitation” by resorting to violence prove themselves to be no wiser than the teens they are confronting.

  • inrever1e

    I get the feeling Erica and almost all of the commenters here are White.

    Since that's probably the case, please entertain the idea that Black people might have a different relationship with the police than you do – might understand this event differently than you – and that their perception could be as “correct” as yours. That this could be perceived in a legitimately different way than you are even able to perceive it. Isn't that at least possible?

    I'm not saying this is “racism” necessarily. But because institutional racism does exist, it is possible that those who do believe it is racism can believe so legitimately.

    I think reducing this to “White cop – Black girl makes it a bias crime” is a reduction only a White person could consciously make. Most Black people would understand that there is a lot more going on here.

    Accepting that we cannot ever fully understand is one of the first steps toward anti-racism… let's try to do that, OK, White people? Let's try to accept that there could be more going on than we're able to understand.

    _Elliott

  • Random Engineer

    Oh so you're saying when a teenager ignores common sense and crosses not at an intersection, not over a pedestrian bridge, but by dodging cars at one of the busiest intersections in the city, we should just exercise wise and patient tolerance and not subject them to enforcement?

    And when that teen then escalates by shoving an armed police officer, the expectation should be more patient wisdom?

    I guess that makes sense if you work in a library, but not so much in traffic.

  • phil

    You lost me at “OK, White people?”

  • kurisu

    don't you capitalize me!

  • misha

    I don't live in a neighborhood where large, musclebound men punch teenage girls in the head at full strength.

    Punches aren't like in the movies. Google “fatal punch” and you'll find hundreds of news stories of people dying from punches in the head, most often in domestic violence situations where a large man punches a small woman, child, or teenager (like in this situation).

  • misha

    Sigh. Did everyone here only watch the 4 seconds of the video with the push and the punch? The police officer assaulted the 19-year old for nearly a minute before her friend pushed him away. She was the one defending her friend.

  • http://twitter.com/fattailed fattailed

    I'm referencing the sane argument — the girls were out of control (and that is a terrible spot for jaywalking) but a sucker punch to the face ought not be a standard police tactic. It's the job of the police to de-escalate in a situation like this. With the punch, this guy did the opposite. He got it together afterwards and calmly controlled the situation, but the punch to the face from a cop is shocking to see, at the very least. You don't have to allege bias to say

  • Barleywine

    I do think this video shows Officer Walsh doing his best in this situation, but the comments on the other side aren't without merit.

    The last time we saw police officers mistreating white people was WTO, and I think there was plenty of outrage about that. Just never happens.
    And I can't say that I've ever seen white people geting arrested for jaywalking.

    But the video supports the police.

  • morning

    Jaywalking is dangerous – Seattle enforces jaywalking laws and is one of the safest cities in the country

    Alcohol involvement with BAC ≥ 0.01 (37 percent) among pedestrians is a major problem. High intoxication levels with BAC ≥ 0.08 (32 percent) among
    pedestrians highlight the seriousness of alcohol involvement problem;

  • morning

    Most people just get a ticket, because they follow the officer's orders. Plenty of white people get jaywalking tickets.

  • TMN

    I'm all for making jaywalking a non-punishable offense when you're not in the way of a vehicle. If the road is empty, go nuts. If there are cars coming and you don't have the right of way, stay on the sidewalk or go to jail. Likewise if a pedestrian is trying to cross at a designated stopwalk and a car doesn't stop for them, the driver goes to jail. It's all about knowing who has the right of way, and respecting it.

  • T_Chen

    Exactly. Show me a case where a white (or Asian) person ignored an officer's request to stop, became belligerent, had a friend assault the officer, and was not arrested. Compare apples to apples Barleywine. Few people of ANY race are arrested after jaywalking because most people in such a situation act with a modicum of decorum.

  • T_Chen

    Okay, I'm not a white person. Moving on… I still don't understand your argument. Spell out for the rest of us what exactly is “going on here.”

    Here's an idea: If we, as human beings of limited knowledge, can never really understand what's going on in the mind of an officer, we should presume good will on his part and treat the officer (and everyone else) with civility. That might be a good first step toward anti-racism, I would posit.

    Just saying, “we can't understand everything” is a cop out. It provides no solution to living in a just and civil society. It sounds like an excuse for inexcusable behavior.

  • T_Chen

    On B & C,

    Some people mistrust jews, blacks, bankers, southerners, Chinamen (ironically used), Japanese, Muslims, Christians, Catholic priests, US Soldiers, etc. And certainly they can point to various individuals fitting those descriptions who have behaved in bad ways to justify their distrust or prejudice. That doesn't make it right.

    Sometimes, police have attacked people unjustifiably. The Latino man who was kicked on the ground gratuitously is such an example. This case was not. And just as crimes committed by various ethnic groups don't justify treating each individual member of that group as guilty of some group malice, neither do cases of police misconduct justify ignoring an officer and then assaulting him when he attempts to make a lawful arrest.

    But you're right: It is a problem. The problem is the community that gave these girls the message that this kind of behavior is acceptable.

  • T_Chen

    First off, we don't even know he was going to ticket her. She would have had to stop and talk with him first. He might have just given her a warning or a citation without a fine. Who knows?

    Second, she WAS doing something illegal. You may think jaywalking should not be a crime, but it is. Officers don't make the laws. We the people do through our elected representatives.

    How exactly can you have sympathy for a person who thinks it is alright to curse and assault a police officer after he tries to stop her for committing an offense? This type of behavior is an outrageous response.

  • T_Chen

    You can argue that it would have been better not to attempt to stop the girls, but it is inarguable that they were breaking the law and that it was well within the officer's DISCRETION to stop them.

    The girls, on the other hand, had NO RIGHT to ignore the lawful order of a police officer, resist arrest, or assault an officer.

    How you can place the ultimate “fault” on the officer here is beyond me and is only encouraging extremely anti-social, uncivil behavior that will harm the community and young people who get the message that this is acceptable.

  • Barleywine

    You're right, but I do wish the video showed the interaction between the original jaywalker and the cop. Was it just to issue a friendly ticket?

    Maybe we just need more video, but I'll agree with you now.

  • T_Chen

    The girl was not injured. If a large, musclebound man had intended to punch this young lady at full strength there probably would have been some more lasting damage.

    Regardless, when you assault an officer or interfere with his lawful duties you should not be surprised when he responds with significant force to gain control of the situation.

  • T_Chen

    What sort of fantasy world do you live in where it is acceptable to ignore lawful orders from police officers and assault them?

  • T_Chen

    Look at the definition of assault before making ignorant statements:

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9a…

  • T_Chen

    I too am curious about the preceding events. I wonder if the cameraman has released all that he recorded.

  • Barleywine

    T_Chen, you speak as if we didn't have a race problem in this city or country. We plainly do. Just happens that in this situation it wasn't clearly apparent.

    “we should presume good will on his part”

    That is quite funny.

  • inrever1e

    That was at the end – do you mean you got the rest?

  • inrever1e

    I'm responding to the argument that this is “race-baiting” or that race “isn't a factor.”

    I don't think you understood me (maybe my fault). I was saying that non-Black people can't necessarily understand what's going on in the mind of the Black people in this video – I wasn't talking about what's going on in the mind of the cop. Re-read it with this in mind and get back to me? Everything you just said, only with the focus on the women, not the cop, is basically exactly what I was getting at.

  • inrever1e

    Was it ever decided that “White” goes uncapitalized but “Black” doesn't? I don't remember, maybe it was in my AP Stylebook… I prefer to capitalize both. Seems more fair that way?

  • inrever1e

    I think T_Chen misunderstood me.

  • T_Chen

    No, I don't. In fact it is possible that race played a role in the confrontation. It is just as likely that the girl was motivated by race in her disrespect to the officer. We really don't know.

    My point above is that where there is no evidence of a racial motivation, what is the point of inferring it?

    Some white people go through life just sure that every time they didn't get the job, it was because of affirmative action, or that every black person who was rude to them did so out of racism. You see all the time on the Seattle Times forums that whenever a black person commits a crime against as white person, the MOTIVATION must have been racism.

    Some black people are just sure that when a white person asks them to step back from the ATM while they enter their PIN number, if must be racism. THey wouldn't have asked that of a white person! Some black people assume that if they didn't get the promotion, or they were pulled over for speeding, it must have been racism.

    In all those situations, the person may have been right sometimes, but they may also have been wrong. They almost certainly were right and wrong part of the time, but they'll never know which times. So why encourage such a paranoia over something you can't change? Why assume the worst intentions in others? Doing so can actually poison an atmosphere and create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    I ask you again: What is so funny or ridiculous about presuming good will on the part of the officer? What do you suppose would have happened if the girls had said, “Oh, I'm sorry officer. I shouldn't have been jaywalking. I won't do that again.”? They probably would have gotten a warning. Maybe a citation or a small fine.

  • inrever1e

    What I was saying is – you don't know what it's like being to be Black and deal with the police. It's White (or “model minority”) privilege to be able to have “normal” relations with police and to project certain standards of behavior on everyone, when certain communities have had completely different relationships with police over the years. What is “decorum” is determined by the majority (read: White people and those assimilated into White culture).

    Who knows if these people have had previous unfair relations with the police. I think that we need to be able to say that there is a possibility that, perhaps after years of being discriminated at by police, their reaction was justified or at least can be rationalized.

    What I was getting at above is that we don't (and often can't) know.

  • T_Chen

    I don't think I misunderstood you. You seem to be making a cultural relativist argument: “But because institutional racism does exist, it is possible that those who do believe it is racism can believe so legitimately.”

    You're saying that it is legitimate to believe that racism motivated the officer's actions even though there is not a shred of evidence to support that belief. By the same token, do you believe it is legitimate for Birthers to believe that Pres. Obama was born in Kenya, or that Obama hates white people, even though there is no evidence to support those beliefs?

    It is not healthy to encourage a society where everyone has their “beliefs,” whether they are supported by facts or not. People may legitimately have their suspicions, but until there is some more evidence about Officer Walsh, lets hold off on the charges of racism.

  • morning

    According to court records, Levias had previously been arrested for assaulting a police officer while resisting arrest last year at a youth center where she was a resident at the time. The documents say that Levias kicked a King County Sheriff's deputy in the stomach during the confrontation at the Ruth Dykeman Center in Burien, Wash., about 15 miles south of Seattle..

    Yes she has had other run-ins.

  • T_Chen

    Yes, decorum is determined by the majority. When an American goes to Japan, he has to takes his shoes off in the house. When he goes to Thailand, he can't disrespect the King. That's life in every country on Earth. So what? Are you advocating for no common standards of decency and civility?

    Let's presume that this woman had previous unfair relations with the police. Does that excuse her behavior? It may make it more understandable, but it certainly doesn't excuse it. If we let people off the hook for their bad behavior because of their previous bad experiences with members of a group then what would be left of civil society in a diverse nation? Chinese-Americans refusing to do business with Japanese-Americans? White guys pointing guns at black guys who approach them on the street because he was mugged a couple of times before by black men? Women refusing to work under a male boss because she had bad experiences with male superiors? Are you suggesting a world where a person gets to ignore lawful orders to stop because she is not a fan of police? Where is this going?

  • Southender

    Rainier, at that point, is relatively calm. It has to deal with the whole mess northward, where both lights and traffic calm things down considerably, and southward, where Columbia City and its many lights also cool it off quite a bit (It really doesn't get that crazy until after Graham)

    It's MLK that has gotten the free ride through the valley, and from that intersection will continue to get it both ways for quite a distance.

    But this incident was all about Rainier.

    The overpass is really quite commodious – no steps, all ramps (quite enlightened for its time) and features a midway drop down onto the other side of Rainier before continuing over to MLK. There's literally no reason not to use it – unless you want to be a self-aggrandizing jerk who thinks it's fun (as opposed to political or necessary from a practical standpoint) to walk out into traffic.

    And let it be said: Other neighborhoods would love to have that kind of overpass. I know that goes against the mythology of the under-served Rainier Valley, but there you are. There's a place for cars and a place for pedestrians in this city, and this was one of those rare situations where both parties were accommodated.

    So the usual excuses don't apply here. Those girls are jerks.

  • morning

    Rosenthal was arrested on suspicion of third-degree assault on an officer, a felony..

  • CrossingPed

    Not only that, but the pedestrian bridge at this location was built before ADA accessibility came into law, so if you are disabled you can't use this bridge…

  • inrever1e

    I don't disagree with most of what you said. But racism as “something you can't change?” That's a bummer attitude.

    Anyway, you're taking my argument too far. I'm not advocating for full-scale “cultural relativism.” And your examples aren't applicable – we're talking about police officers, an authority figure with government-granted power over others. Not any “members of a group.” The police are not a group, they are an institution for which the rule of law does not always apply and whose power has historically been abused.

    As an aside, of course I am suggesting a world where people get to ignore “lawful” orders – if they are unfair or discriminatory (not that these necessarily were). That's the basis of the civil rights movement; it's called civil disobedience. One's conscience dictates that one disobeys unjust orders from authority figures. I am not saying that this applies to this situation or that this was an act of civil disobedience. It probably wasn't.

    Anyway, you basically got it with this: “Does that excuse her behavior? It may make it more understandable, but it certainly doesn't excuse it.”

    I guess all I'm asking for is more understanding. Not necessarily excuse. Though my argument is that we must allow for the possibility of excuse. And a fuller understanding could lead us there.

    Here's an example, just for more understanding – not necessarily excuse – my father (a Black man), in his youth, could have easily been targeted for “jaywalking” (whether or not he actually was) and if he responded with anything other than “yes, sir, right away, officer, can I shine your shoes while I'm on my knees?” he very well could have been beaten – and both the police department and larger society would have deemed it “justified” because he was being “uppity.”

    Now, if that is the background that one is coming from, is it not understandable that a situation like this could be seen differently, and that one's violent reaction to a perceived injustice on the part of the police could be, if not justified, then at least understandable?

    I maintain that it is privilege to not have years, generations of abuse hanging over one's head in every interaction with the police. And that as non-Blacks, we must examine that privilege and ask ourselves whether it is informing our expectations of what “normal” behavior or “decorum” is.

    So yeah, what I'm getting at is that I personally would not have reacted the same way were I in one of these girls' situation, but as a Black person I can rationalize there there could be justification for why they reacted the way that they did.

  • Anonymous

    I know a woman who, 30 years ago, ran over and killed a woman who was jaywalking in Bellevue Way on a rainy night. Not only was the family of the woman killed devastated, but the woman who killed her has never recovered knowing that her mere presence on a road at the wrong time resulted in a person's death. I think people have forgotten to take into consideration that being irresponsible and stepping into traffic illegally can cause harm to many more than just the person who is hit and killed.

  • Mary Elsa Martin

    there appears to be ramps

  • T_Chen

    Comments won't nest any further so I'm responding to you here, inrever1e. I appreciate your thoughtful post, and I certainly won't deny that it is difficult for many African Americans to have interactions with police officers without the history of injustice in the back or front of their minds.

    However, I don't see any better alternative than to treat your fellow human beings, whether they be police officers, bus drivers, teachers, or what not, with civility and respect. I understand the brutal history, but I see no other alternative but to further the cycle of mistrust between African Americans and the law enforcement officers. Again, what is the worst that could have happened if the girls had stopped and politely (not necessarily obsequiously) interacted with the officer?

    What alternative do humans have for living together peacefully but to assume some good faith? How much worse would Europe be today if the Germans, French, Russians, Polish, etc. were still at each other's throats for the brutal history between them?

  • Barleywine

    “being irresponsible and stepping into traffic illegally”

    True, same as a biker going through a stop sign. But although the laws apply to everyone equally, they aren't enforced equally.

    Bikers are shiny and happy. Jaywalkers in the RV are criminals.
    (but jaywalkers at the Market are not)

    15 minutes late…
    Employees you like: “Hey! Glad you made it!”"
    Employees you don't: “Please step into my office.”

    That's just the way the world goes 'round, I guess.

  • Herm Hesse

    I remember Grant Cogswell trolling an internet forum discussion on the monorail several years back by posing as an old woman giving a sob story about something or rather, to try and draw sympathetic heat against a point he didn't believe in. I wish I had more details but I'm drawing a blank on the exact source.

    I wish I knew the technical term for that form of trolling, but I can't put my finger on it and Google's not helping.

    I'd like to think this isn't such a case, I really would, but this example was referenced in a vacuum, absent of all other context (how fast was the car going, how well was this street lit, did this person run out into the street without warning etc etc etc and a bunch of other details that would illustrate whether this was a bad jaywalking attempt, a case of where better attention would have prevented an accident, or what)… and was posted anonymously no less (without so much as a handle or a first name).

  • mathewrenndawgrenner

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  • N8

    I didn't say they were arrested for assault, I said that they were assaulting. What's the difference between me saying 'assaulting' and you saying “tried to pull herself away from a police officer?”

    Misha, it's time to come clean and disclose why you are defending these peoples actions against a uniformed police officer (who who called some random person in another comment)?

    T_Chen: check out this definition: unlawful physical attack. I'm calling it how I see it, was the statements of the man recording the

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assault

  • N8

    I agree with your point on the community level. Where I disagree is that the organizations NAACP and Urban League should be more informed and educated and non-biased when these incidents arise. Because raising this to the same level as the recent incident of the cop saying he was going to beat the f—ing Mexican piss out of a suspect (which was found not to be involved at all) reduces their credibility.

  • N8

    Again, Misha, you are a nut case. Jaywalkers kill themselves all the time. You probably blame the drive that has the horrible experience of having a jaywalker step out in front of their car on I-5.

  • N8

    More style yes and sometime right on, but arguing with you is pointless.

  • N8

    Ramps don't mean that they are ADA accessible (e.g. too step).

  • Tacomamama

    I realize we do have laws against nuance these days, but isn't it possible the girl was seriously at fault but the police officer was a little bit at fault, too? I'm not saying it was a bias incident, I think it's more than plausible that the instinctive reaction to having someone (anyone) grabbing at his face like that was to throw a punch. A police officer wouldn't expect the average jaywalker to react that way. But could he have handled it better? Yeah, probably. Could he have done much worse? Absolutely. Is it ok to physically confront a uniformed police officer? H3ll no.

  • Edog

    “OK, White people? Let's try to accept that there could be more going on than we're able to understand.”

    I think this is a very good point, being white provides many advantages, I'll never be able to fully appreciate. I had to live in a poor inner city to even start to appreciate that. Still, I think as far as getting whites to appreciate that kind of thing, one has to tread very lightly in order to be persuasive.

  • Homer

    The “Crank' column is an editorial as is “HAC'

  • Edog

    “responds with significant force to gain control of the situation. ” Thats just it. This officer did not simply beat her. He was establishing who was in charge and explaining the terms of this engagement to her. He was in charge, and if she wanted to make it physical, she was going to lose. His job basically requires that. His badge is not a metaphor for law and order, it is law and order.

  • Gomez

    Few will deny that the cop really screwed up. Even if he felt he had to get physically aggressive, there are many other ways he could have subdued the girl instead of punching her. That was basically the worst thing he could have done short of putting a bullet in her.

  • Nemo

    A cop is supposed to be trained to deal with these situations. It's one reason why this cop is being sent back to remedial diffusion training. He seems to have lost his skill in quickly and effectively handcuffing someone. Now, he was probably fearfull of the crowd gathering, and after the second girl tried to intervene, he should have called for backup, and cuffed her too.

  • guest

    Misha, my dog is named Misha and you're an embarrassment to the name. btw, it is clear your intelligence level is well below average.

  • tpn

    Clearly, if a jaywalker ignores the police, they deserve what they get. Is that your argument? Sounds like it to me, which indicates that you are part of a larger problem.

  • Random Engineer

    If they jaywalk, particularly in such a flagrant fashion, they are subject to enforcement. If in the process of being subject to enforcement, they shove a cop, then yeah, they pretty much deserve what they get, at least in this case. It's not like she took a beat down, she got popped once. He didn't even put her on the ground, although I don't think anyone should have been surprised if he did. Don't shove a cop, that's kind of stupid.

  • sarah68

    Have to congratulate you on the logicality of your posts on this thread, T. Chen, because I usually tell you you're completely clueless.

  • sarah68

    Serious question: how could he have subdued the woman? I mean that's a serious question; no one's suggested just what else he could have done. Verbal stuff wasn't getting anywhere. Should he have tasered her? Should he have pulled a gun? Should he have yelled at pedestrians to come help him? Should he have given up and let her go (along with her friend who was asaultive) and told his superiors (who had instructed him to be out there checking for jaywalkers) that he just couldn't do anything so he gave up?

    Just WHAT should he have done? You say he did the worst thing; what would have been the best thing?

    As far as “friendly ticket”, I've been given speeding tickets a number of times. They've never been especially friendly; the officers haven't smiled and I didn't expect them to, and I sure as hell never complained or got angry. It's a cop. You get angry; the cop has the power, no matter the color of your skin. I paid the tickets because I'd speeded. It was my choice and I paid for it.

  • Gomez

    SPD would be more than happy to have someone advise you on valid and effective physical de-escalation methods, from grabbing an assailant's arms to forcing them against the hood, if you want to contact them about answering your question. There are plenty of other methods, obvious ones even. I'm shocked you would even pose this question.

  • N8

    As I white person, I understand that the major difference is cultural and not so much racial. Most 'racist' people I know don't care so much about the color of the skin as they do the culture. To test this out, get a supposed racist white person to interact with a black person from the UK or straight from Africa and see how they react differently to that person than they do a black person with inner city culture, don't know any black people born and raised in Africa or some other country? You could try using a black from the rural south than.

    My point is, most 'white' people aren't so much racist as they are culturists, they (we) like our white suburban culture and don't understand or like inner city youth culture. That is why Barack Obama was able to be elected, cause it was about culture, not race.

  • TMN

    Conversely, I get just as irritated at white people who act like super-entitled bitches. I feel relatively confident that if the girl were white, the cop were black, and both acted the same way as these two, that most of the same people in this thread would still say she deserved it. I know I would.

  • N8

    For sure. I wonder how many jaywalking tickets are given every year by SPD. Would be interesting to do a study on the race of those that receive the tickets and then do a study of randomly sampling the areas with high jaywalking incidents to see if it shakes out to be about an equal percentage. This would help us learn if there was institutionalized racism when it comes to the SPD or if certain neighborhoods just have higher jaywalking rates.

  • T_Chen

    Double sigh.

    The police officer did not “assault” the 19-year old. By all accounts he attempted to stop her and speak with her first. When she refused to stop, and continued ignoring him, then he attempted to use the minimum amount of force necessary to restrain her. You know why the “assault” was for nearly a minute? Because he was not being particularly forceful. Some other posters here have suggested he slam her against the hood of his car to restrain her as a better alternative.

    Misha, what would you recommend an officer do when a person refuses to stop for a lawful arrest and resists a lawful stop and arrest?

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