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Re: Microsoft Tax Dodge

As we pointed out in today’s Morning Fizz, Jeff Reifman, a former Microsoft employee who is on a crusade to get Microsoft to pay royalty taxes on software licenses, took me task for not asking Microsoft VP Brad Smith about their—estimated $100 million a year—tax dodge. (Reifman’s website has a helpful fact sheet on the issue.)

Here’s the deal: Microsoft has a shop in Reno, Nevada where it issues its software licenses. Even though dividends from those licenses come back to Redmond, the licensing transactions are not captured by Washington State because the business is technically generated out of Nevada. (I talked at length today with bureaucrats in Olympia who confirmed the situation.)

Reifman, who estimates that Microsoft has shorted the state about $787 million over the years, wants the state to tax Microsoft’s revenue on the licensing royalties.

In response to Reifman’s concerns, I followed-up on the Smith Q&A  this morning to ask about the tax dodge.

Here’s what Microsoft told me, blandly, today about the tax dodge.

“Microsoft has offices all over the United States.  As a global company we pay all due taxes in all jurisdictions in which we operate. Microsoft is proud to be headquartered in Washington.  The company generates a significant amount of direct and indirect tax revenue for the state.  As a global company we pay all due taxes in all jurisdictions in which we operate.”

Ironically, the legislature passed new tax rules this year that will tax revenues from out-of-state businesses that have a market in Washington State for services provided to customers here. That legislation included taxes on royalties. But the trade off is this: Companies based in Washington will not have to pay those taxes on out-of-state transactions. So, even if the legislature ever tries to go after Microsoft’s royalties based on the fact that the company operates out of Washington state, there’s a new loophole in place to shield the majority of their licensing business. (Reifman discusses this problem at length, here.) The state, of course, would argue that the new rule is an incentive to bring Microsoft’s licensing shop back to Washington, which has other benefits like employment and local business.

By the way, I  take issue with Reifman’s assertion that I was “charmed” or “rolled over” by Smith and the dinner. Citing campaign finance data, I asked Smith to explain Microsoft’s limp investment in the 2008 pro-light rail campaign (that brought light rail to Microsoft) despite Smith’s grand pronouncements during the dinner that Microsoft was a big light rail supporter. I also asked him to explain Microsoft’s watered down position on net neutrality rules.




  • Poindexter

    While I support higher taxes in general, I'm not sure that the state should try to tax these royalties. State and local tax is a race to the bottom with all the different states competing with each other to attract employers by lowering taxes. We probably want to give Microsoft reason to stay in Washington because it provides middle-class jobs. Let's tax rich individuals more instead!

  • caprese

    Really? You know that I-1098 only means more taxes and that the most regressive element in Washington taxes, the sales tax, is not being changed. And, no one from I-1098 will even address the fact that we will still have one of the most regressive tax systems in the country.

  • caprese

    Another interesting Microsoft tax fact is that during the 2010 Washington budget process while the state struggled to find funding sources for education and health programs in Washington, Microsoft aggressively fought to secure a massive sales tax cut for data centers and they aggressively and successfully fought tax increase proposals that would have impacted them. (Thank you Ross Hunter.)

  • giffy

    Property taxes are regressive too. 1098 is not perfect but it is a good start.

  • Ben Trovato

    I got a kick out of Jeff's appearance at a local coffeespot with the latest iFascist gear the day after it went on sale. For all its other faults, I haven't heard that MS tries to regulate content on a Windows machine.

  • caprese

    Property taxes are far less regressive and most working poor are not impacted by high property taxes. Also, Washington property taxes are actually on the lower end of property taxes in the US.

    I am idealistic in this, but I want to see tax reform done properly and effectively, not just what rocks the boat the least.

  • At Ease

    Well i disagree, i believe Msft has been helping the state in hell lot of numerous ways and we should be grateful for the fact that msft is stationed here and provvides the economy with tons of jobs there by uplifting sectors like housing and construction.

  • guest011

    I agree with At Ease. If it weren't for MSFT being here, Seattle would be Phoenix without the sun!

  • http://twitter.com/reifman Jeff Reifman

    Josh, I appreciate the follow up post and the legwork on this. Said more simply, the royalty tax used to be a .484% on worldwide revenue, which if enforced amounts to a $100.7 million annual tax on Microsoft. This year, the legislature (led by Rep. Hunter), changed this to a tax only on sales to Wa. State. What did the state get in return for this $100 million gift to Microsoft? $2.6 million in 2011. http://microsofttaxdodge.com/2010/06/new-econom…

    I should also add that the state and I have different views on the legality of Microsoft's Nevada tax dodge.

  • Dennis

    “Phoenix without the sun”. I love it!
    Why does Jeff Reifman not like Microsoft? I assume it's something other than outrage at the tax dodge.
    I also assume that Microsoft is taking full advantage of current tax law, venal and corrupt as it is, Any why shouldn't they? It's their fiduciary duty to maximize the profits of their shareholders. And it's that shallow duty to maximize returns is the root of the problem.

  • N8

    If property taxes are less regressive and we have less of them, then we probably make up for that short fall with more regressive taxes (like the sales tax)..

  • N8

    If don't have a problem with the current system, but I'm glad that Jeff Reifman is bringing it to light. Taxing people is tough and spending their money should be equally tough, and it should always be done transparently so that they people can decide if they like it or not.

  • Sandeep

    I was directly involved in developing I-1098. In answer to your claims, caprese:

    it is true that our tax code will still be regressive after I-1098 passes. Almost all state tax codes are. But 1098 will eliminate a significant portion of the regressivity out of our tax code, and we will no longer rank dead last — 50th out of the 50 states — in the basic fairness of our tax code (middle class families pay four times the tax rate of the very wealthy in this state).

    In formulating the policy, we considered a cut in the sales tax but decided to cut the property tax instead for two major reasons. First, we talked to members of the public and consistently heard from them that the tax that causes them the most hardship is the property tax. A lot of people on fixed or moderate incomes were worried that rising property taxes threatened their ability to stay in their homes. We thought we should take that concern seriously. Second, we thought it was very important for our tax reform proposal to cut taxes for working and middle class families while also addressing our state's growing underinvestment in education and health care. Given that we were proposing only a limited (and relatively modest) income tax on the wealthiest three percent of households, the amount of revenues raised would not have allowed us to make a large sales tax cut and still provide new revenue for underfunded core services.

  • Mike in Seattle

    I agree that Microsoft is a tremendous asset to the Puget Sound Region. It is also worth noting that Bill Gates' dad is constantly on his soap box about the need for everyone to pay more taxes, supporting an income tax, supporting the death tax yet he never mentions the fact his son's company is scamming the state out of a ton of tax revenue.

  • Keep Clam

    But they are here, and they need to pay their fair share of the goods and services they use. There's no need to be sheep about companies. They need a firm hand to keep them from becoming BP.

  • ao

    Someone may have pointed this out but many private business owners in California Incorporate in Nevada to avoid California state Taxes. This is especially true of small film companies that shoot video of weddings, promotional materials, training, & etc. The expertise is in California but the company's in Nevada.

  • Bbyarger

    I haven't seen a one of you say the state should spend less money. There is no need for additional taxes, however, there is great need for the state to reduce and eliminate countless programs, involvment in liquor sales, etc, etc. etc. The state works for us, not the other way around.

  • MS – Welcome to Idaho!

    Microsoft needs to just leave Washington. Bill was the main reason they stayed, now he's gone. I know of a few states that would love to have MS, their employees, and the benefits of having such a successful company reside within their borders.

  • Caprese

    Thank you so much for responding. I really appreciate your insights into where you are coming from.

    I continue to struggle with your choice of cutting property taxes instead of cutting sales tax since most people I know care more about the sales tax or they don't own property, but respect that you did polling on the issue. Also, I think the B&O tax cut is pretty immaterial. I would like to see major tax reform that looks at business taxes as well as an effort to make Washington taxes less regressive.

  • buh bye

    I agree. The asshole ratio would go down drastically.

    Go south, tech company. Go south….

  • owelesstaxdotcom

    It appears that Microsoft has done what is required to reduce their tax burden. All business owners have that right, and I would encourage all business owners in Washington and Especially in Oregon to heed their example. they don't have to move out of the state, just quit making money there. And for all those that scream the state needs more tax revenue. . . seal your lips until you pay the “Use” (sales) tax on all your internet purchases. Or do you just want everyone else to pay their fair share?

  • Bob Abooey

    I say tax the hell out of MS. I don't use MS products, so there is zero drawback for me.