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Seattle’s First Cycletrack Planned on Dexter

This post was originally published on Thursday, June 3.

At last night’s meeting of the Seattle Bicycle Advisory Board, Brian Dougherty from the Seattle Department of Transportation (SDOT) unveiled preliminary plans for Seattle’s first “parking-protected” cycletrack —essentially, a segregated bike lane separated by a painted buffer and parked cars from traffic—on Dexter Ave N from Nickerson St to Mercer St.

Piggybacking on a scheduled repaving of Dexter in early 2011, the bike project will help address insufficient bike lanes, high traffic speeds (the 85th percentile of cars drive 41-42 mph) and a narrow northbound lane that doesn’t meet Metro’s width standards.  Dexter’s current bike lane–which had the city’s highest ridership in the 2009 bicycle count–does not meet SDOT’s (or federal) guidelines. It is, in essence, a widened parking lane with a single white line and painted bicycle symbols.


SDOT’s conceptual drawing.

The “cycletrack concept”, as SDOT is calling it, would differ slightly from the traditional European cycletracks that have cement barriers between the bike and car lanes. SDOT’s design calls for six-foot bike lanes, two-foot painted buffers, eight-foot parking lanes, and two 11-foot travel lanes. The parking lanes will be replaced with 10-foot, raised transit islands at bus stops along the route. The center turn lane will be removed to accommodate the additional width needed for buffered bike lanes, though dedicated left-turn lanes will be retained at key intersections.

SDOT studies have found that the center turn lane on Dexter is underutilized (and in some cases is even used as a delivery truck loading/unloading area for retailers).

One of the major concerns about cycletracks is the possibility that cyclists will be hit at intersections because drivers won’t see them. In the current design, SDOT attempts to deal with this problem by removing parking within 40 feet of intersections and driveways, making it easier for drivers to look for (and see) cyclists before making their turn.

New York City has been a pioneer of sorts in building cycletracks in America. Studies of the 9th Ave cycletrack in Manhattan have found a 56 percent reduction in injury-causing collisions, a 29 percent reduction in pedestrian collisions, and a 57 percent reduction in bicycle collisions on that corridor.

The project is still in the very early design stages. SDOT is holding an open house on June 29 in the Seattle Center Northwest Rooms from 4:30-6:30 p.m. to give the public a chance to review the designs and provide feedback. The city’s goal is to have have the designs finalized by October of this year and begin construction in February 2011.




  • Glenn Fleishman

    Oh my god, that would be awesome. Dexter is a great street to ride on except for, well, everything. I mean, topographically and as a connector, it is perfect, but even as a driver I sort of hate it. I am tailgated by people who pass me to go 45-50 mph.

    The danger of people dooring you or turning into you is very high, plus inaccurate drivers.

  • Glenn Fleishman

    Oh my god, that would be awesome. Dexter is a great street to ride on except for, well, everything. I mean, topographically and as a connector, it is perfect, but even as a driver I sort of hate it. I am tailgated by people who pass me to go 45-50 mph.

    The danger of people dooring you or turning into you is very high, plus inaccurate drivers.

  • http://www.charlesredell.com/blog Charles

    There's also been a cycletrack proposed for Broadway to be put in in conjunction with the new streetcar line. I saw a pretty nice presentation of the concept a few months back by a rep from the Cap. Hill Community Council. According to him, even the neighborhood's chamber of commerce is behind the idea.
    Of course, that'll take way longer to make happen for a variety of reasons. If it happens.

  • http://www.charlesredell.com/blog Charles

    There's also been a cycletrack proposed for Broadway to be put in in conjunction with the new streetcar line. I saw a pretty nice presentation of the concept a few months back by a rep from the Cap. Hill Community Council. According to him, even the neighborhood's chamber of commerce is behind the idea.
    Of course, that'll take way longer to make happen for a variety of reasons. If it happens.

  • Biker007

    Great! I ride this every day; and painting a line over fractured pavement hasn't made the ride any easier. This will be a good step to increasing the ease of use for novice riders.

  • Biker007

    Great! I ride this every day; and painting a line over fractured pavement hasn't made the ride any easier. This will be a good step to increasing the ease of use for novice riders.

  • Publicola Lover

    Erica there is a great story about Social justice communities wrote a letter to the council, and the mayor about the cost overrun. I would love to see that story on publicola.
    Thanks

  • Publicola Lover

    Erica there is a great story about Social justice communities wrote a letter to the council, and the mayor about the cost overrun. I would love to see that story on publicola.
    Thanks

  • Anc

    Hopefully this is only the beginning for Cycletracks in Seattle.

  • Anc

    Hopefully this is only the beginning for Cycletracks in Seattle.

  • Pol-Analayst

    The letter was published by Seattle Times,and The strangers. The social justice organizations and the Sierra Club coming together is a new politics, and powerfull one. If they stay together, they will easly change the political land scape of King County, and possibily the state

  • Pol-Analayst

    The letter was published by Seattle Times,and The strangers. The social justice organizations and the Sierra Club coming together is a new politics, and powerfull one. If they stay together, they will easly change the political land scape of King County, and possibily the state

  • John

    The tunnel is on life support, The social justice community are on the move to oppose it. If the Socail justice community and envoronmental community work together to oppose the tunnel than the tunnel is dead.

  • John

    The tunnel is on life support, The social justice community are on the move to oppose it. If the Socail justice community and envoronmental community work together to oppose the tunnel than the tunnel is dead.

  • mjd

    This sounds generally awesome, though I'm slightly concerned about the cars waiting to turn left getting passed by cars on the right (that is, into the cycletrack). Also, I wonder if retailers will use the cycletrack area to load and unload trucks once the center lane is gone? Oh well, there's only so much space and we need to make the best of it. Looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

  • mjd

    This sounds generally awesome, though I'm slightly concerned about the cars waiting to turn left getting passed by cars on the right (that is, into the cycletrack). Also, I wonder if retailers will use the cycletrack area to load and unload trucks once the center lane is gone? Oh well, there's only so much space and we need to make the best of it. Looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

  • Anc

    Am I in the Twilight Zone or something?

    Social Justice community, the Stranger, Tunnel, fragments of jibberish… wtf?!?!

  • Anc

    Am I in the Twilight Zone or something?

    Social Justice community, the Stranger, Tunnel, fragments of jibberish… wtf?!?!

  • Mr. X

    I wonder what effect this will have on the traffic numbers that were painstakingly fudged to help prop up the Mercer Street beautification project (those figures relied on the existing capacity on Dexter to reduce the number of congested intersections and otherwise minimize the effects of reducing capacity in the Mercer/Valley corridor).

  • Mr. X

    I wonder what effect this will have on the traffic numbers that were painstakingly fudged to help prop up the Mercer Street beautification project (those figures relied on the existing capacity on Dexter to reduce the number of congested intersections and otherwise minimize the effects of reducing capacity in the Mercer/Valley corridor).

  • Gomez

    Maybe the Ultimate Warrior discovered Publicola.

  • Gomez

    Maybe the Ultimate Warrior discovered Publicola.

  • ERop

    cool down buddy, and don't be mad. let us talk about who will pay the cost overrun?

  • ERop

    cool down buddy, and don't be mad. let us talk about who will pay the cost overrun?

  • N8

    Not sure that this is a first for Seattle, isn't the bike lane on Alki protected by parking.

    http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=alki+beach+…

  • N8

    Not sure that this is a first for Seattle, isn't the bike lane on Alki protected by parking.

    http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=alki+beach+…

  • N8

    And a danger to passengers getting out of the car and getting hit by a cyclist! And it would be yet another lane of traffic that pedestrians would have to safely navigate to cross Dexter.

    Can we make it a toll lane?

  • N8

    And a danger to passengers getting out of the car and getting hit by a cyclist! And it would be yet another lane of traffic that pedestrians would have to safely navigate to cross Dexter.

    Can we make it a toll lane?

  • sarah68

    And if the tunnel (which is the Legislature's choice for the money that would be necessary to do anything about the viaduct) is “dead”, what do you propose to do about the viaduct? With what money, from where? I doubt if the social justice community and the environment community are going to come up with the billions necessary. Maybe just wait until the viaduct falls down?

  • sarah68

    And if the tunnel (which is the Legislature's choice for the money that would be necessary to do anything about the viaduct) is “dead”, what do you propose to do about the viaduct? With what money, from where? I doubt if the social justice community and the environment community are going to come up with the billions necessary. Maybe just wait until the viaduct falls down?

  • Getting hungry

    “SDOT studies have found that the center turn lane on Dexter is underutilized (and in some cases is even used as a delivery truck loading/unloading area for retailers)”

    God forbid that retailers would need to load and unload for their deliveries.

  • Getting hungry

    “SDOT studies have found that the center turn lane on Dexter is underutilized (and in some cases is even used as a delivery truck loading/unloading area for retailers)”

    God forbid that retailers would need to load and unload for their deliveries.

  • truely biking in seattle

    Very true. This facility on Alki and has been there for quite some time… Wonder if Josh really rides a bike, he should have know this..

  • truely biking in seattle

    Very true. This facility on Alki and has been there for quite some time… Wonder if Josh really rides a bike, he should have know this..

  • morning

    Let them eat cake.

  • morning

    Let them eat cake.

  • John

    You're not taking away any vehicular capacity on Dexter with this proposal. It's currently one lane each way.

  • John

    You're not taking away any vehicular capacity on Dexter with this proposal. It's currently one lane each way.

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/bicievino bicievino

    The southbound configuration seems like it will take some adapting to – folks are going to have to learn to watch carefully when exiting passenger side from their parked vehicle. Hopefully there will be some regularly spaced visual reminders in the 2' buffer area to reduce the risk of unfortunate bike-ped interaction, since it will be a new configuration in the city.

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/bicievino bicievino

    The southbound configuration seems like it will take some adapting to – folks are going to have to learn to watch carefully when exiting passenger side from their parked vehicle. Hopefully there will be some regularly spaced visual reminders in the 2' buffer area to reduce the risk of unfortunate bike-ped interaction, since it will be a new configuration in the city.

  • John

    Many buildings along Dexter have off-street loading docks, which aren't used by trucks which find it easier to use the center turn lane. SDOT will also be talking about loading zones for buildings without loading docks.

  • John

    Many buildings along Dexter have off-street loading docks, which aren't used by trucks which find it easier to use the center turn lane. SDOT will also be talking about loading zones for buildings without loading docks.

  • morning

    Yup, SDOT has been lying about those turn lanes helping traffic flow, knew it all along.

  • morning

    Yup, SDOT has been lying about those turn lanes helping traffic flow, knew it all along.

  • Mr. X

    What morning said – one lane each way MINUS a turning lane = reducing capacity.

    (and you've gotta love the concern troll urban planner-speak decrying retailers using the third lane between blocks for loading into their properties as a justification for reducing capacity).

  • Mr. X

    What morning said – one lane each way MINUS a turning lane = reducing capacity.

    (and you've gotta love the concern troll urban planner-speak decrying retailers using the third lane between blocks for loading into their properties as a justification for reducing capacity).

  • alexbroner

    It's important that where retailers currently use the center turn lanes for loading/unloading that another solution be found that meets their needs. Many places have a temporary pickup/dropoff zone that can be used by trucks as well as dropping off passengers. Additional uses could also include extra seating for restaurants during evening peak periods.

  • alexbroner

    It's important that where retailers currently use the center turn lanes for loading/unloading that another solution be found that meets their needs. Many places have a temporary pickup/dropoff zone that can be used by trucks as well as dropping off passengers. Additional uses could also include extra seating for restaurants during evening peak periods.

  • Mr. X

    …and many don't. And as I recall, there is also no alley along significant sections of Dexter that can serve those businesses/property owners, either.

  • Mr. X

    …and many don't. And as I recall, there is also no alley along significant sections of Dexter that can serve those businesses/property owners, either.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    He would be a great guest columnist on the 'cola.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkEl_R0dTfY

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    He would be a great guest columnist on the 'cola.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkEl_R0dTfY

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    I'm usually ambivalent about the whole bike politics/changes thing, but damn. This is pretty cool.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    I'm usually ambivalent about the whole bike politics/changes thing, but damn. This is pretty cool.

  • Trevor

    Whatever. I'll still use the parking lots on Westlake because that route is flat.

  • Trevor

    Whatever. I'll still use the parking lots on Westlake because that route is flat.

  • Ben Demboski

    It would actually be fewer lanes for pedestrians to cross. Currently if you are crossing the street you have to cross a bike lane, a car lane, a center car lane, another car lane, and another bike lane, totaling 5 lanes all at once. Under the new plan you would cross one bike lane, then be in the parking lane. Then cross two car lanes, them be in another parking lane. Then cross one more bike lane. Not only is it one fewer lane to cross, but you have breaks in the middle. Seems way safer to me.

  • Ben Demboski

    It would actually be fewer lanes for pedestrians to cross. Currently if you are crossing the street you have to cross a bike lane, a car lane, a center car lane, another car lane, and another bike lane, totaling 5 lanes all at once. Under the new plan you would cross one bike lane, then be in the parking lane. Then cross two car lanes, them be in another parking lane. Then cross one more bike lane. Not only is it one fewer lane to cross, but you have breaks in the middle. Seems way safer to me.

  • Ben Demboski

    This won't be possible. There will be a parking/raised bus top lane between the bike lanes and the traffic lanes.

  • Ben Demboski

    This won't be possible. There will be a parking/raised bus top lane between the bike lanes and the traffic lanes.

  • Ben Demboski

    Are you serious? I've commuted by bike in Seattle for 6 years, and ridden a bike around recreationally for longer than that, and I didn't know about it. I've just never made it out to Alki…

  • Ben Demboski

    Are you serious? I've commuted by bike in Seattle for 6 years, and ridden a bike around recreationally for longer than that, and I didn't know about it. I've just never made it out to Alki…

  • Ben Demboski

    I don't think the point is that these retailers shouldn't be using the center lane for loading/unloading (that's a completely separate question). I think the point is that the fact that they are is evidence that the center lane is not crucial to maintaining traffic flow since it's often blocked by trucks anyway.

    Asking where these trucks are going to go is certainly a valid question, but if we are arguing that the center turn is valuable because it enables retailers to easily load and unload, that's a whole different story and has completely different priority and considerations than if we are arguing that it is valuable for overall traffic flow.

    Either way it's an important point needs to be considered.

  • Ben Demboski

    I don't think the point is that these retailers shouldn't be using the center lane for loading/unloading (that's a completely separate question). I think the point is that the fact that they are is evidence that the center lane is not crucial to maintaining traffic flow since it's often blocked by trucks anyway.

    Asking where these trucks are going to go is certainly a valid question, but if we are arguing that the center turn is valuable because it enables retailers to easily load and unload, that's a whole different story and has completely different priority and considerations than if we are arguing that it is valuable for overall traffic flow.

    Either way it's an important point needs to be considered.

  • joshmahar

    It is actually illegal for vehicles to use that center turn lane to load and unload. The city turns a blind eye to the practice but hopefully with this great new bike configuration we can actually think about a long-term, legal solution to commercial loading.

  • joshmahar

    It is actually illegal for vehicles to use that center turn lane to load and unload. The city turns a blind eye to the practice but hopefully with this great new bike configuration we can actually think about a long-term, legal solution to commercial loading.

  • joshuadf

    Why would north-south Dexter have anything to do with east-west Mercer? It's not like someone headed to I-5 would suddenly decide to go to Fremont instead.

  • joshuadf

    Why would north-south Dexter have anything to do with east-west Mercer? It's not like someone headed to I-5 would suddenly decide to go to Fremont instead.

  • joshuadf

    There are actually very few turns on this stretch of Dexter because of the steep grade perpendicular to the road. Many of the connecting streets are dead-ends.

  • joshuadf

    There are actually very few turns on this stretch of Dexter because of the steep grade perpendicular to the road. Many of the connecting streets are dead-ends.

  • Ben Demboski

    The point is that if the middle lane is usually clogged then removing it won't really reduce capacity

  • Ben Demboski

    The point is that if the middle lane is usually clogged then removing it won't really reduce capacity

  • ari

    Why can't we have a cycletrack on Westlake. I really just want to get to work not get a giant workout.

  • ari

    Why can't we have a cycletrack on Westlake. I really just want to get to work not get a giant workout.

  • http://bikecyclinglife.wordpress.com/ JohnH

    Conceptually excellent, but the hard work is getting the details right. Attitudes of “screw the business loading” are no different from others who would “screw the cyclists”. Need to find a accommodations for all.

    I know this is a taboo subject for Seattle, but here goes: How 'bout we eliminate the tree buffers on one or both sides of the street? From the diagrams above, they consume about 9ft on both sides of the street. The trees are mostly decorative, provide minimal O2 production, negligible shade, are a recurring maintainance cost, and damage pavement with their roots, all while consuming the space of roughly three bike lanes. This could be enough to support truck loading bikes and cars. Just a thought.

  • http://bikecyclinglife.wordpress.com/ JohnH

    Conceptually excellent, but the hard work is getting the details right. Attitudes of “screw the business loading” are no different from others who would “screw the cyclists”. Need to find a accommodations for all.

    I know this is a taboo subject for Seattle, but here goes: How 'bout we eliminate the tree buffers on one or both sides of the street? From the diagrams above, they consume about 9ft on both sides of the street. The trees are mostly decorative, provide minimal O2 production, negligible shade, are a recurring maintainance cost, and damage pavement with their roots, all while consuming the space of roughly three bike lanes. This could be enough to support truck loading bikes and cars. Just a thought.

  • biliruben

    The Alki track was the first thing that occurred to me, though I am well traveled in distant lands.

    The Alki track is actually a bit odd, given it parallels a dedicated path.

  • biliruben

    The Alki track was the first thing that occurred to me, though I am well traveled in distant lands.

    The Alki track is actually a bit odd, given it parallels a dedicated path.

  • biliruben

    …or get a loading zone. With a side of cake.

  • biliruben

    …or get a loading zone. With a side of cake.

  • Ben Demboski

    True. I bet we could also remove a moderate amount of the parking that is just about all 2-hour anyway, and create enough loading zones to service the business' needs…

  • Ben Demboski

    True. I bet we could also remove a moderate amount of the parking that is just about all 2-hour anyway, and create enough loading zones to service the business' needs…

  • Mr. X

    The traffic analysis (such as it was, considering they never studied peak event flows – which are going to get a whole lot worse as a result of the Mercer beautification project) assumed that traffic would find other routes – particularly if Aurora was lowered – and the entire grid including the north/south routes necessary to access other alternatives to Mercer (or Broad Street, if/when that is closed).

  • Mr. X

    The traffic analysis (such as it was, considering they never studied peak event flows – which are going to get a whole lot worse as a result of the Mercer beautification project) assumed that traffic would find other routes – particularly if Aurora was lowered – and the entire grid including the north/south routes necessary to access other alternatives to Mercer (or Broad Street, if/when that is closed).

  • Mr. X

    You expect businesses on the west side of Dexter to load their stuff from across the street? Right.

  • Mr. X

    You expect businesses on the west side of Dexter to load their stuff from across the street? Right.

  • MudBaby

    God, what a concept. Decades in the making. But isn't it perhaps too logical??? What if it pisses off the cars?

  • MudBaby

    God, what a concept. Decades in the making. But isn't it perhaps too logical??? What if it pisses off the cars?

  • Lisa

    I love the idea of a cycle track, but I'm still perplexed as to why everyone loves Dexter so much. If I ever go downtown, I take the flat Westlake parking lot. Can anyone shed some light on what makes Dexter the preferred route for cyclists? (for the record, I don't ever go downtown during commuting times, maybe the Westlake parking lot is a mess then).

  • Lisa

    I love the idea of a cycle track, but I'm still perplexed as to why everyone loves Dexter so much. If I ever go downtown, I take the flat Westlake parking lot. Can anyone shed some light on what makes Dexter the preferred route for cyclists? (for the record, I don't ever go downtown during commuting times, maybe the Westlake parking lot is a mess then).

  • ULTIMATE WARRIOR

    WE NEED NOT YOU, CHRIS GREG-WARR

  • ULTIMATE WARRIOR

    WE NEED NOT YOU, CHRIS GREG-WARR

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Fuck John Lasseter.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    Fuck John Lasseter.

  • Jason_Mitchell

    This is not the best argument you've ever made.

  • Jason_Mitchell

    This is not the best argument you've ever made.

  • joshuadf

    “SDOT is holding an open house on June 29″… where? And where'd you get those preliminary designs, I don't see it on seattle.gov?

  • joshuadf

    “SDOT is holding an open house on June 29″… where? And where'd you get those preliminary designs, I don't see it on seattle.gov?

  • Jason_Mitchell

    Completely concur. I only take Dexter if I'm heading to Queen Anne. If I'm going to Fremont, Ballard, or anywhere else north of the Ship Canal, it's Westlake. The Dexter climb isn't terrible, but why sweat unnecessarily unless you just want the exercise. Never understood Dexter's popularity.

    And none of this is to poo-poo the Dexter cycle track.

  • Jason_Mitchell

    Completely concur. I only take Dexter if I'm heading to Queen Anne. If I'm going to Fremont, Ballard, or anywhere else north of the Ship Canal, it's Westlake. The Dexter climb isn't terrible, but why sweat unnecessarily unless you just want the exercise. Never understood Dexter's popularity.

    And none of this is to poo-poo the Dexter cycle-track.

  • Jason_Mitchell

    Love it, but have one question. Nickerson is getting a road diet. Dexter is getting a road diet via cycle-track. IIRC, there are plans for a Westlake road diet.

    And…one way or another everyone wants fixed-rail transit serving Fremont and Ballard. We could restore the Counterbalance or route all the way over to Interbay, but Dexter/Westlake/Nickerson are certainly in play, and definitely favorites for any extension of the SLUS. Yes, at some level it's just a matter of repainting (unless the cycle track were to—gasp—get physical grade separation), but doesn't it make loads more sense to plan this all at once?

  • Jason_Mitchell

    Love it, but have one question. Nickerson is getting a road diet. Dexter is getting a road diet via cycle-track. IIRC, there are plans for a Westlake road diet.

    And…one way or another everyone wants fixed-rail transit serving Fremont and Ballard. We could restore the Counterbalance (said the top-of-the-hill resident with a glint in his eye) or route all the way over to Interbay, but Dexter/Westlake/Nickerson are certainly in play, and definitely favorites for any extension of the SLUS. Yes, at some level it's just a matter of repainting (unless the cycle-track were to—gasp—get physical grade separation), but doesn't it make loads more sense (and save cash) to plan this all at once?

  • Josh Cohen

    Whoops, forgot to put in those details. The open house will be in one of the Seattle Center Northwest rooms (not sure which) from 4:30-6:30. Added to the story now.

    Not sure when the designs will be on the website. I got them directly from SDOT.

    Thanks.

  • Josh Cohen

    Whoops, forgot to put in those details. The open house will be in one of the Seattle Center Northwest rooms (not sure which) from 4:30-6:30. Added to the story now.

    Not sure when the designs will be on the website. I got them directly from SDOT.

    Thanks.

  • http://twitter.com/ClaystationX Claystation

    There's always going to people that'll gripe about anything. Seattle's full of people like that.

    I live along Dexter and think this is a WONDERFUL idea.

    Dexter, as it is, is a MESS for everyone. It's very dangerous for cyclists, and people in cars have to pay more attention to what the cyclists are doing rather than who/what is in front of them.

  • http://twitter.com/ClaystationX Claystation

    There's always going to people that'll gripe about anything. Seattle's full of people like that.

    I live along Dexter and think this is a WONDERFUL idea.

    Dexter, as it is, is a MESS for everyone. It's very dangerous for cyclists, and people in cars have to pay more attention to what the cyclists are doing rather than who/what is in front of them.

  • John

    The key to success on this project is going to be managing the pedestrian interactions. People getting in and out of cars will have to cross the bike lane, as will people who are crossing the street.

  • John

    The key to success on this project is going to be managing the pedestrian interactions. People getting in and out of cars will have to cross the bike lane, as will people who are crossing the street.

  • John

    Yup. And Dexter's turning movements are few and far between compared to other current road-dieted corridors; when I worked on Dexter, I most often saw the turning lane used by double-parked vehicles trying to make deliveries…to buildings with loading docks.

    I wouldn't suggest the same treatment for 45th NE or other road-diet corridors, but Dexter isn't the same animal.

  • John

    Yup. And Dexter's turning movements are few and far between compared to other current road-dieted corridors; when I worked on Dexter, I most often saw the turning lane used by double-parked vehicles trying to make deliveries…to buildings with loading docks.

    I wouldn't suggest the same treatment for 45th NE or other road-diet corridors, but Dexter isn't the same animal.

  • John

    …and SDOT is talking about creating loading zones for businesses which don't have docks. Ones located, you know, in front of the businesses, rather than in the middle of the street.

  • John

    …and SDOT is talking about creating loading zones for businesses which don't have docks. Ones located, you know, in front of the businesses, rather than in the middle of the street.

  • John

    I suspect Westlake is a more likely streetcar route, if a Fremont line is ever actually built. Far more right-of-way and no grade.

  • John

    I suspect Westlake is a more likely streetcar route, if a Fremont line is ever actually built. Far more right-of-way and no grade.

  • JT

    But it really isn't evidence that the center lanes aren't important to traffic flow. The rest of the lane is still available for other cars to pull out of the through lanes to make their left turns. Remove the turn lane, everyone waits while a left-turn driver waits for a break in opposing traffic (even tougher with the volume of bikes), and backups start to occur much more regularly.

  • JT

    But it really isn't evidence that the center lanes aren't important to traffic flow. The rest of the lane is still available for other cars to pull out of the through lanes to make their left turns. Remove the turn lane, everyone waits while a left-turn driver waits for a break in opposing traffic (even tougher with the volume of bikes), and backups start to occur much more regularly.

  • Ben Demboski

    That's always been the case, except that now instead of drivers exiting directly into bike traffic, the passengers will. I agree with you, but I don't think it will be that much of a change.

  • Ben Demboski

    That's always been the case, except that now instead of drivers exiting directly into bike traffic, the passengers will. I agree with you, but I don't think it will be that much of a change.

  • Ben Demboski

    There's plenty of parking on both sides of the street that could be converted.

  • Ben Demboski

    There's plenty of parking on both sides of the street that could be converted.

  • eddiew

    The Dexter Avenue North cycle track would be good. I suggested that to them several years ago. Note that dooring will be less likely, as today, the driver side door opens into bike traffic; with the cycle track, the passenger side door does; the driver side door is used 100 percent of the time; the passenger side less.

    On Dexter, transit will stop in-lane. It carries routes 26-28-23-124 with 15-minute headway into the evening.

    On Westlake, bike lanes would have a topographic advantage over Dexter with less climbing. the pedestrian crossing issues and speeding on Westlake are similar to those SDOT is attempting to address on Nickerson Street. the center turn lane on Westlake could be a second outbound lane approaching the Fremont Bridge, as that is the only local where the additional storage is needed.

  • eddiew

    The Dexter Avenue North cycle track would be good. I suggested that to them several years ago. Note that dooring will be less likely, as today, the driver side door opens into bike traffic; with the cycle track, the passenger side door does; the driver side door is used 100 percent of the time; the passenger side less.

    On Dexter, transit will stop in-lane. It carries routes 26-28-23-124 with 15-minute headway into the evening.

    On Westlake, bike lanes would have a topographic advantage over Dexter with less climbing. the pedestrian crossing issues and speeding on Westlake are similar to those SDOT is attempting to address on Nickerson Street. the center turn lane on Westlake could be a second outbound lane approaching the Fremont Bridge, as that is the only local where the additional storage is needed.

  • Jason_Mitchell

    Sure, but like I said—Westlake is scheduled for a road diet, too….

  • Jason_Mitchell

    Sure, but like I said—Westlake is scheduled for a road diet, too….

  • Not so fast!

    “… would differ slightly from the traditional European cycletracks that have cement barriers between the bike and car lanes.” . . .

    and then the author goes on to compare Dexter Ave North with biking in Flat as a Pancake NYC.

    Blazing downhill Southbound, from the crown of Dexter is only safe now by bike if one takes the lane – thereby allowing the bicyclist plenty of maneuvering room should a pedestrian/car/truck/cat/squirrel or wandering hub cap encroach upon her/his intended line of travel.

    I do not understand why there is no comment of the dangers of passing other bikers riding at 25 mph, when confined within a six foot width – WTH? This sounds really scary to me, a recipe for disaster.

    In Cool Bike Cities in Europe this configuration would NOT be the result, I promise.

    Factually: Copenhagen, A'dam, Paris, hmmm where else is hip cool, well Cologne (been there also) . . . these places are F L A T!!

    On steep grades safe passage can only be ensured with plenty of freedom of choice of movement for downhill riders. The safety of pedestrians, squirrels, cats and hubcaps (car doors) depends upon the cyclists ability to swerve away from these animate and inanimate 'objects'.

    PLEASE.

    Could we start this track on WESTLAKE, please?

    And skip working on Nickerson (to steep for good bike passage – these bike lane planners must all be young men in their prime, OH! they ARE!! OK, now I get it!) for the same reason.

    How about we address the swath of impermeable surfaces that constitute Westlake Ave, and it's parking lots and walkways, where in an approx 150 ? foot right of way there is not ONE designated place for a bike. Not one. Royal Confusion.

    In this ROW a few painted lines could make everyone a whole lot safer.

    WHY do the hip young planner dudes have to address recreational areas (steep grades that can be avoided), rather than the nuts and bolts of commuter transport (FLAT right of ways with great access potential for ALL?)

    Thanks.

    The article also mentions the REASON for the cordoned off bike lane is the 42mph car speeds that

  • GregP

    I have to echo Not so fast! Maneuvering room is important, whether novice or advanced. Six feet (or six-plus-two) may sound generous, but what happens when one cyclist attempts to pass another on a fast southbound downhill, and the passenger door suddenly opens? With a bike lane/sharrow/shared lane there is at least the possibility of swerving out of the way. Where's the maneuvering room in this cycletrack? Don't forget all those driveways. Not to be cynical, but cycletracks seem to be all the rage (see: Dunsmuir St., Vancouver, BC), whether appropriate or not.

    Here's a suggestion: Remove Dexter's center turn lane, create two 11' motor vehicle lanes… and paint bikes lanes.

  • GregP

    I have to echo Not so fast! Maneuvering room is important, whether novice or advanced. Six feet (or six-plus-two) may sound generous, but what happens when one cyclist attempts to pass another on a fast southbound downhill, and the passenger door suddenly opens? With a bike lane/sharrow/shared lane there is at least the possibility of swerving out of the way. Where's the maneuvering room in this cycletrack? Don't forget all those driveways. Not to be cynical, but cycletracks seem to be all the rage (see: Dunsmuir St., Vancouver, BC), whether appropriate or not.

    Here's a suggestion: Remove Dexter's center turn lane, create two 11' motor vehicle lanes… and paint bikes lanes.

  • Hipalbatross

    Driveways?

  • http://twitter.com/GordonWerner Gordon Werner

    the only good news here is this means that they'll actually rebuild Dexter Ave … whose road surface is seriously sucking as of late.

  • Look4wrd

    Also the Alki track is much wider than 6'. In addition to pedestrians exiting cars it also has roller bladers, skateboarders, runners, walkers, dogs, kids and oblivious conversationalists using the so called track.