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Democratic Endorsement Causes Rift Over Campaign Rules

This post has been updated as of Saturday afternoon.

Supporters of  Joe Fitzgibbon, one of three Democratic candidates for state Representative in the 34th District, say that precinct committee officers (PCOs) have  been unfairly ordered not to distribute  literature when canvassing in the district. The 34th both endorsed and nominated Marcee Stone, one of Fitzgibbon’s opponents. An endorsement from a district Democratic organization appears on all campaign literature from the group and often results in direct contributions from the organization.

Other officials in the district, including district chair Tim Nuse, say the district has never ordered its members to campaign for a certain candidate, and that PCOs are free to distribute whatever literature they want.

A memo from Susan Sheary, head of the King County Democrats, seems to indicate that PCOs were in fact told that they couldn’t distribute Fitzgibbon literature “under the banner of” the District, but that they could do so on their own, independent time.

Just another day in the always-entertaining 34th.

Ivan Weiss, a supporter of Fitzgibbon and former chair of the 34th, says Nuse told district officials that PCOs were not, under any circumstances, allowed to distribute Fitzgibbon’s literature when canvassing the district. Nuse personally endorsed Stone before the district’s official endorsement. UPDATE: Weiss has said in the comments that I “lied” about his statements to me. That isn’t the case.

Here is a direct quote from our conversation, taken verbatim from my typed notes: “Tim appeared to believe that he had the authority to compel PCOs to campaign for only the endorsed candidate. Something like that is unenforceable. … I can tell you unequivocally that when we discussed this at an executive board meeting, I just stood up and told [Nuse] he was full of shit, and he didn’t have the authority, and that I was going to campaign for Joe Fitzgibbon. What was he going to do?”

“As long as PCOs are canvassing for a Democrat, the party has no enforcement power” to keep them from supporting a particular candidate, Weiss says.

UPDATE: In a draft email to 34th District members, Nuse wrote:

There have been a couple questions regarding the role of a PCO and what is expected of you.  When you are elected or appointed as a PCO your duty is to represent the District and the Party by registering your neighbors to vote and sharing with them who the 34th District Democrats have chosen to support.  This is why we take the time to endorse and nominate candidates.  That work is now complete.  Soon, we’ll be asking you to carry the materials of those candidates and issues and help turn out the vote.

We realize that some people supported candidates that did not receive an endorsement or nomination.  As an official representative of our organization, we expect that you will distribute the information of only the candidates and issues that received the support of the 34th District Democrats.  By doing so you maintain the integrity of the process, the endorsement, the District, and the Party.  This strikes at the very core of who we are.

This is nothing new.  Last year, a couple candidates for Seattle City Council who did not get our endorsement began contacting PCOs asking them to carry their materials.  When the candidates took this step they were undermining the whole function of our endorsement process and the collective decision and strength of our organization. They were contacted and told to stop immediately, which they did.  When you are performing the function of your role as PCO, we hope you will take this expectation seriously.

If all 34th District PCOs were required to distribute Stone’s literature, or barred from distributing Fitzgibbon’s, the order would also apply to Fitzgibbon himself, Weiss says. “Joe is a PCO in his precinct in downtown Burien. … Is he forbidden from canvassing his own precinct on his own behalf, or would he be forced to carry Marcee Stone’s lit around? How could such a thing ever be implemented? It’s insane on its face.”

Nuse says he never proposed such a policy, and actually agrees. “It’s Ivan Weiss trying to make a flap. It’s cynical politics as usual,” he says. However, he adds, “Ultimately, we would hope that nobody would go around with the 34th District banner talking up Joe Fitzgibbon, because that’s inconsistent with what the 34th supports.”

Fitzgibbon said he wasn’t familiar with the behind-the-scenes discord. However, he adds, “PCOs are not organs of the 34th district, they’re elected by the people of the 34th. Obviously, it would be ludicrous to force all PCOs to campaign for Marcee. I don’t think they would go that far.”

Stone did not return a call for comment.

KC Dems head Sheary did not respond to a call requesting clarification of the party’s policy. However, in a memo that went out to party members, Sheary wrote that “No District member may campaign for another candidate wearing the banner of the District—if a District member chooses to do so, there may be no District name or logo associated.”

Weiss says the argument could have been avoided if the district had simply refrained from endorsing, or made a dual endorsement.

“Three of our members are in this race, and a Democrat is going to win anyway. It’s just not necessary for the district to choose one person, because they’re all good Democrats,” Weiss says.




  • 42 years a Democrat

    Szheesh. This is why I don't do Democratic district politics anymore.

  • 42 years a Democrat

    Szheesh. This is why I don't do Democratic district politics anymore.

  • Another34thPCO

    Ivan's right that we have good democratic candidates and we’re lucky to have them. However, the PCO's and membership in the 34th clearly and definitively voted for Marcee Stone. It wasn’t even a close vote. Sour grapes are not attractive. Ivan was certainly pushing for Joe's endorsement before the vote but since he didn't win or even earn a dual endorsement, the 34th shouldn't endorse anyone? Ugh.

  • Another34thPCO

    Ivan's right that we have good democratic candidates and we’re lucky to have them. However, the PCO's and membership in the 34th clearly and definitively voted for Marcee Stone. It wasn’t even a close vote. Sour grapes are not attractive. Ivan was certainly pushing for Joe's endorsement before the vote but since he didn't win or even earn a dual endorsement, the 34th shouldn't endorse anyone? Ugh.

  • Nuse not the Truth

    Same old bullshit from the 34th. Is there an FOIA for Nuse's emails and the minutes, because a tape recorder is the only thing that can cause that man to tell the truth.

  • Nuse not the Truth

    Same old bullshit from the 34th. Is there an FOIA for Nuse's emails and the minutes, because a tape recorder is the only thing that can cause that man to tell the truth.

  • ivan

    Way to lie about what I told you, Erica. I have the e-mail to prove that I told you that as of today, no such directive had come down, and that what Tim had told you was, in fact, the correct position for him to take, no matter what his position might have been earlier.

    You went ahead and printed exactly the opposite of what I told you, and I won't forget it. You're a disgrace.

    I'd be sticking up for PCOs' right to canvass for the Democrat of their choice in a contested primary no matter who the District had endorsed, and no matter who I favored. It's not at all sour grapes. I don't begrudge any candidate any endorsement.

    The 47th District, in 2006, and the 36th District, in 2008, suffered damaging rifts because they insisted on endorsing before a primary — and in both of those cases there was Republican opposition.

    Now we are in the era of the top two primary, there will be two Democrats on the November ballot, and there was even less excuse and less need for the 34th to endorse. People will make whatever they want to make about all of this, but my conscience is clear.

  • ivan

    Way to lie about what I told you, Erica. I have the e-mail to prove that I told you that as of today, no such directive had come down, and that what Tim had told you was, in fact, the correct position for him to take, no matter what his position might have been earlier.

    You went ahead and printed exactly the opposite of what I told you, and I won't forget it. You're a disgrace.

    I'd be sticking up for PCOs' right to canvass for the Democrat of their choice in a contested primary no matter who the District had endorsed, and no matter who I favored. It's not at all sour grapes. I don't begrudge any candidate any endorsement.

    The 47th District, in 2006, and the 36th District, in 2008, suffered damaging rifts because they insisted on endorsing before a primary — and in both of those cases there was Republican opposition.

    Now we are in the era of the top two primary, there will be two Democrats on the November ballot, and there was even less excuse and less need for the 34th to endorse. People will make whatever they want to make about all of this, but my conscience is clear.

  • Barleywine

    “It’s Ivan Weiss trying to make a flap”

    Is that “ivan”?
    I hated his bullshit from the very beginning, but grew to like his bullshit.

    Never liked what he stood for, but occassionally liked the way he said it. So I “liked” him all the same.

  • Barleywine

    “It’s Ivan Weiss trying to make a flap”

    Is that “ivan”?
    I hated his bullshit from the very beginning, but grew to like his bullshit.

    Never liked what he stood for, but occassionally liked the way he said it. So I “liked” him all the same.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    I'm a Republican PCO for the 47th District. I was elected on the ballot…although PCOs can also be appointed. While PCOs are tasked with getting out the vote, I feel that as elected representatives, they also have some (minuscule) measure of power and independence…meaning, one hand for the boat, one hand for yourselves.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    I'm a Republican PCO for the 47th District. I was elected on the ballot…although PCOs can also be appointed. While PCOs are tasked with getting out the vote, I feel that as elected representatives, they also have some (minuscule) measure of power and independence…meaning, one hand for the boat, one hand for yourselves.

  • Anon

    Erica misquoting or misrepresenting someone? I'm shocked!

  • Anon

    Erica misquoting or misrepresenting someone? I'm shocked!

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Hmmm, couldn't they just insist that the endorsed candidates lit must be passed out when canvasing for the LD, that the individual PCO could pass out other lit but make clear who was endoresed?

    Maybe not, if you are acting on behalf of the LD then you should carry that massage.

    I have no idea why people like me stay away from participating in organizations like this.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Hmmm, couldn't they just insist that the endorsed candidates lit must be passed out when canvasing for the LD, that the individual PCO could pass out other lit but make clear who was endoresed?

    Maybe not, if you are acting on behalf of the LD then you should carry that massage.

    I have no idea why people like me stay away from participating in organizations like this.

  • http://www.reuvencarlyle36.com Reuven Carlyle

    This situation is indeed a reflection of a legitimate, larger policy and political question to ponder about the role of the district organization in contested races in our new era of the top two.

    The issues in the 34th are a rerun of other districts as Ivan says. Perhaps we should encourage the district organizations and the state party infrastructure to engage in a formal, genuine, thoughtful dialogue about the implications of party support, roles and how PCOs fit in now that we're living with the top two.

    While we certainly don't want a directive from the top down, we do need the think about ways to help local party organizations deal with this reoccurring scenario. The 36th did sustain some negative consequences from this issue in 2008 and I encourage the good folks of the 34th to talk openly and graciously with one another to avoid that sort of fall out.

    Reuven Carlyle
    36th District

  • http://www.reuvencarlyle36.com Reuven Carlyle

    This situation is indeed a reflection of a legitimate, larger policy and political question to ponder about the role of the district organization in contested races in our new era of the top two.

    The issues in the 34th are a rerun of other districts as Ivan says. Perhaps we should encourage the district organizations and the state party infrastructure to engage in a formal, genuine, thoughtful dialogue about the implications of party support, roles and how PCOs fit in now that we're living with the top two.

    While we certainly don't want a directive from the top down, we do need the think about ways to help local party organizations deal with this reoccurring scenario. The 36th did sustain some negative consequences from this issue in 2008 and I encourage the good folks of the 34th to talk openly and graciously with one another to avoid that sort of fall out.

    Reuven Carlyle
    36th District

  • Mickymse

    Do you have something against the 34th District, Erica? You sure seem to like stirring up “news” where nothing is going on…

    This isn't a story. The District endorsed and nominated one of three Democrats in a race. Now, as is ALWAYS the case, PCO's will be provided with that candidate's lit by the District and encouraged to walk their precinct on behalf of that candidate.

    Where's the story here? Some PCO's have always supported other candidates. Some will pick up that additional lit on their own or express their own opinions.

    This is standard operating procedure. Not a “directive” or new memo or anything. And you know it…

  • Mickymse

    Do you have something against the 34th District, Erica? You sure seem to like stirring up “news” where nothing is going on…

    This isn't a story. The District endorsed and nominated one of three Democrats in a race. Now, as is ALWAYS the case, PCO's will be provided with that candidate's lit by the District and encouraged to walk their precinct on behalf of that candidate.

    Where's the story here? Some PCO's have always supported other candidates. Some will pick up that additional lit on their own or express their own opinions.

    This is standard operating procedure. Not a “directive” or new memo or anything. And you know it…

  • Mickymse

    Do you have something against the 34th District, Erica? You sure seem to like stirring up “news” where nothing is going on…

    This isn't a story. The District endorsed and nominated one of three Democrats in a race. Now, as is ALWAYS the case, PCO's will be provided with that candidate's lit by the District and encouraged to walk their precinct on behalf of that candidate.

    Where's the story here? Some PCO's have always supported other candidates. Some will pick up that additional lit on their own or express their own opinions.

    This is standard operating procedure. Not a “directive” or new memo or anything. And you know it…

  • Mickymse

    Do you have something against the 34th District, Erica? You sure seem to like stirring up “news” where nothing is going on…

    This isn't a story. The District endorsed and nominated one of three Democrats in a race. Now, as is ALWAYS the case, PCO's will be provided with that candidate's lit by the District and encouraged to walk their precinct on behalf of that candidate.

    Where's the story here? Some PCO's have always supported other candidates. Some will pick up that additional lit on their own or express their own opinions.

    This is standard operating procedure. Not a “directive” or new memo or anything. And you know it…

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    I am not sure how party leadership can both find a way to function in the top two system and argue against it in court.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    I am not sure how party leadership can both find a way to function in the top two system and argue against it in court.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Yes, me too, and would add that I still don't give a shit who Ivan is, that is, beyond the comments he makes here.
    (why start now)

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Yes, me too, and would add that I still don't give a shit who Ivan is, that is, beyond the comments he makes here.
    (why start now)

  • from the camapign's mouth

    agree with Ivan but….

    this is a tempest in a teapot. with all due respect to the PCO's who actually doorbell, I can tell you, as one who has personally delivered cases of literature to PCO's for distribution, the bulk of the literature they take, gets taken to recycling…..

    PCO's are great….but campaigns that rely on them are not well-advised….

  • from the camapign's mouth

    agree with Ivan but….

    this is a tempest in a teapot. with all due respect to the PCO's who actually doorbell, I can tell you, as one who has personally delivered cases of literature to PCO's for distribution, the bulk of the literature they take, gets taken to recycling…..

    PCO's are great….but campaigns that rely on them are not well-advised….

  • seabos84

    This is the same ol same ol problem, the roots of the problem are some combination of the same ol same ol grima schrum wannabee$ AND the controlling $ocial cla$$ of the … ha ha ha … the people's party.

    The same ol same ol problem is that of mapping people TO candidates / issues TO tasks / jobs / activities. It is TOO hard for people to participate. Unless you're 1 of the few who knows exactly what you'll do or NOT do AND exactly for which kind of candidates or issues, in too many political things the first step of being “active” is to endure interminable meetings for gawd knows how many hours a month just so you can find out what is happening for who! Oh, btw, you haven't done anything yet for Carlyle or Dean or Kerry or Burbank or Helen or Maria or Hillary or John or Barack or Jim or Bill or the Snail Darter or Jimmy or Teddy or the Puffins or the Shrimps … you've gone to a freaking meeting!

    WHY in this internet age is it so hard for people to find stuff to do for candidates and causes they care about? Well, IF it is easy to participate, then how will the Grima Wormtongue Bob Schrum James Carville Cathy Blair Cassius wannabees stay employed? HELLO! Hundreds of Millions are spent EVERY year on campaigns, and the spend means the difference tween REAL health reform or the tauzin Pharma AHIP corporate welfare the DSCC is now peddling on behalf of Patty Pathetic.

    Finally, there is the $ocial cla$$ of the “leaders” of the Democratic Party.

    let's look at some numbers, first. check out the 2010 statistical abstract of the u.s., table 689, 2007 money income. Out of about 238,000,000 with money income:

    about 187,000,000 had 2007 money income UNDER 50k.
    about 214,000,000 had 2007 money income UNDER 75k.
    about 24,000,000 had 2007 money income OVER 75k.
    about 13,000,000 had 2007 money income OVER 100k.

    Let's ask ourselves some questions about those people above and below this various money income levels.

    How many of the last 5 years have they been at that level?
    How many of the last 10 years have they been at that level?
    How many of the last 15, 20, 25, 30 years have they been at those RELATIVE po$ition$ ?

    Too many calling the shots in the Democratic Party come from those upper reaches.

    I've come to believe, given that I'm 50, given I've spent 48 of 50 years in the bottom, and given what I've seen in Dim-O-Shit politics in the last 30 years. that some of the Blue Dog / DLC style Democrats are genuine bona-a-fide sell out fifth column fucks. PERIOD.

    I think most of the rest are just stunningly politically incompetent, BUT, since they have the re$ource$ to deal with life'$ problem$ they can endure another round the Grima Cathy Bliar James Bob Dwight crowd f'king everything up cuz … what else the Grima Cathy Blair James Bob Dwight crowd gonna do, get a real job?

    I saw in the 36th and in Seattle how the Howard Dean campaign used freaking Meetups, cuz the too hard to organize “organization” of the Dem party didn't like Dean. In '04 there were a LOT of new faces … BUT, due to operational headaches the Grima fights happen over all over again all over resources and then everybody is mad at everybody else cuz of hillary v. barack v. rueven v. john v. chris v. whatever v. whoever v. however v. whenever … and along comes OFA cuz barack wisely goes outside the party AND along GOES howard dean cuz ooops the party isn't beholden to barack and along comes AHIP-PHARMA care and along comes “man the phones for billy tauzin” and …

    and the same parasitic layer of accomplish nothings is busy busy busy accomplishing not much tween D.C. and Oly.

    Bob Murphy

    http://www.liemail.com/bamboograssroots.html

  • seabos84

    This is the same ol same ol problem, the roots of the problem are some combination of the same ol same ol grima schrum wannabee$ AND the controlling $ocial cla$$ of the … ha ha ha … the people's party.

    The same ol same ol problem is that of mapping people TO candidates / issues TO tasks / jobs / activities. It is TOO hard for people to participate. Unless you're 1 of the few who knows exactly what you'll do or NOT do AND exactly for which kind of candidates or issues, in too many political things the first step of being “active” is to endure interminable meetings for gawd knows how many hours a month just so you can find out what is happening for who! Oh, btw, you haven't done anything yet for Carlyle or Dean or Kerry or Burbank or Helen or Maria or Hillary or John or Barack or Jim or Bill or the Snail Darter or Jimmy or Teddy or the Puffins or the Shrimps … you've gone to a freaking meeting!

    WHY in this internet age is it so hard for people to find stuff to do for candidates and causes they care about? Well, IF it is easy to participate, then how will the Grima Wormtongue Bob Schrum James Carville Cathy Blair Cassius wannabees stay employed? HELLO! Hundreds of Millions are spent EVERY year on campaigns, and the spend means the difference tween REAL health reform or the tauzin Pharma AHIP corporate welfare the DSCC is now peddling on behalf of Patty Pathetic.

    Finally, there is the $ocial cla$$ of the “leaders” of the Democratic Party.

    let's look at some numbers, first. check out the 2010 statistical abstract of the u.s., table 689, 2007 money income. Out of about 238,000,000 with money income:

    about 187,000,000 had 2007 money income UNDER 50k.
    about 214,000,000 had 2007 money income UNDER 75k.
    about 24,000,000 had 2007 money income OVER 75k.
    about 13,000,000 had 2007 money income OVER 100k.

    Let's ask ourselves some questions about those people above and below this various money income levels.

    How many of the last 5 years have they been at that level?
    How many of the last 10 years have they been at that level?
    How many of the last 15, 20, 25, 30 years have they been at those RELATIVE po$ition$ ?

    Too many calling the shots in the Democratic Party come from those upper reaches.

    I've come to believe, given that I'm 50, given I've spent 48 of 50 years in the bottom, and given what I've seen in Dim-O-Shit politics in the last 30 years. that some of the Blue Dog / DLC style Democrats are genuine bona-a-fide sell out fifth column fucks. PERIOD.

    I think most of the rest are just stunningly politically incompetent, BUT, since they have the re$ource$ to deal with life'$ problem$ they can endure another round the Grima Cathy Bliar James Bob Dwight crowd f'king everything up cuz … what else the Grima Cathy Blair James Bob Dwight crowd gonna do, get a real job?

    I saw in the 36th and in Seattle how the Howard Dean campaign used freaking Meetups, cuz the too hard to organize “organization” of the Dem party didn't like Dean. In '04 there were a LOT of new faces … BUT, due to operational headaches the Grima fights happen over all over again all over resources and then everybody is mad at everybody else cuz of hillary v. barack v. rueven v. john v. chris v. whatever v. whoever v. however v. whenever … and along comes OFA cuz barack wisely goes outside the party AND along GOES howard dean cuz ooops the party isn't beholden to barack and along comes AHIP-PHARMA care and along comes “man the phones for billy tauzin” and …

    and the same parasitic layer of accomplish nothings is busy busy busy accomplishing not much tween D.C. and Oly.

    Bob Murphy

    http://www.liemail.com/bamboograssroots.html

  • http://peacetreefarm.org N in Seattle

    That's long been the way it's done in the 43rd.

    Any canvasser is free to add other Dems' literature when they doorbell, but they'll have to find non-endorsed lit on their own. The district makes endorsed candidates' information available to PCOs through its distribution system.

  • http://peacetreefarm.org N in Seattle

    That's long been the way it's done in the 43rd.

    Any canvasser is free to add other Dems' literature when they doorbell, but they'll have to find non-endorsed lit on their own. The district makes endorsed candidates' information available to PCOs through its distribution system.

  • http://www.34dems.org Tim Nuse

    Actually, the minutes of our meetings can be found at http://www.34dems.org and there are enough leaks coming from one or two executive board members that I am sure you can get your hands on any political email I've ever written. I've also been taped, unknowingly, by people that don't like the decisions I make and want to tear me down. I suppose they'd use those tapes if there were anything to them, but there isn't.
    Slash and burn politics will only propagate the same failures we've had in the past, both in building stronger communities and passing better policies. If you're satisfied with the status quo then please go on and continue your tactics.
    I for one will continue working for a Democratic Party that is more inclusive, better empowers neighbors to be involved, and relies on the faith in a politics of hope. There are more and more neighbors joining the 34th District Democrats every month because they believe in this too.

  • http://www.34dems.org Tim Nuse

    Actually, the minutes of our meetings can be found at http://www.34dems.org and there are enough leaks coming from one or two executive board members that I am sure you can get your hands on any political email I've ever written. I've also been taped, unknowingly, by people that don't like the decisions I make and want to tear me down. I suppose they'd use those tapes if there were anything to them, but there isn't.
    Slash and burn politics will only propagate the same failures we've had in the past, both in building stronger communities and passing better policies. If you're satisfied with the status quo then please go on and continue your tactics.
    I for one will continue working for a Democratic Party that is more inclusive, better empowers neighbors to be involved, and relies on the faith in a politics of hope. There are more and more neighbors joining the 34th District Democrats every month because they believe in this too.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    So, the “Fightin' 46th” is an affirmation to external activiy, for the 34th fightin' is an internal reality?

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    So, the “Fightin' 46th” is an affermation to external activiy, for the 43rd fightin' is an internal reality?

  • ivan

    Sorry, Erica:

    Your lead sentence says “Supporters of Joe Fitzgibbon, one of three Democratic candidates for state Representative in the 34th District, say that precinct committee officers (PCOs) HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY ORDERED (caps are mine) not to distribute literature when canvassing in the district.”

    That is a false statement. No one had yet been “ordered.” If anyone said they had, it sure wasn't me, because I knew it not to be the case. But you didn't verify or clarify that. You just ran with it. Yes, we agree that at one time Tim appeared to believe that he had that authority. Many people, after my initial blast at him, worked hard behind the scenes to persuade him that he had no such authority, and that to pursue such a position would be folly.

    That draft e-mail was an accurate depiction of his position, but he never sent it to all the PCOs, so there was no “order.” I told you that repeatedly. I even clarified it in my e-mail subsequent to our conversation. I gave you a chance to do a responsible job, and you fucked up, plain and simple.

  • ivan

    Sorry, Erica:

    Your lead sentence says “Supporters of Joe Fitzgibbon, one of three Democratic candidates for state Representative in the 34th District, say that precinct committee officers (PCOs) HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY ORDERED (caps are mine) not to distribute literature when canvassing in the district.”

    That is a false statement. No one had yet been “ordered.” If anyone said they had, it sure wasn't me, because I knew it not to be the case. But you didn't verify or clarify that. You just ran with it. Yes, we agree that at one time Tim appeared to believe that he had that authority. Many people, after my initial blast at him, worked hard behind the scenes to persuade him that he had no such authority, and that to pursue such a position would be folly.

    That draft e-mail was an accurate depiction of his position, but he never sent it to all the PCOs, so there was no “order.” I told you that repeatedly. I even clarified it in my e-mail subsequent to our conversation. I gave you a chance to do a responsible job, and you fucked up, plain and simple.

  • anon2

    as someone who once was interviewed by erica i agree that her reporting doesn't really adhere to any journalistic standard.

    by way of illustration, she once took a quote from me and truncated it and paraphrased it so that it was 180 degrees different in tone. her article ended up getting me in trouble with someone who believed i had actually said what she wrote.

    it was the equivalent of this:

    my words: “the house is blue”

    her article: According to Anon2, “the house is” painted a horribly grotesque aquamarine color.

    ever since then, i take almost everything she writes with a very LARGE grain of salt.

  • anon2

    as someone who once was interviewed by erica i agree that her reporting doesn't really adhere to any journalistic standard.

    by way of illustration, she once took a quote from me and truncated it and paraphrased it so that it was 180 degrees different in tone. her article ended up getting me in trouble with someone who believed i had actually said what she wrote.

    it was the equivalent of this:

    my words: “the house is blue”

    her article: According to Anon2, “the house is” painted a horribly grotesque aquamarine color.

    ever since then, i take almost everything she writes with a very LARGE grain of salt.

  • Observer25

    In 2008, the “Official Democrat Nominee” from both the 36th and 46th legislative districts eventually lost in the General Election. In the 36th, Carlyle won the General Election by a large margin over Burbank, and in the 46th we saw White win by a total landslide over Pollett. There was unfortunate controversy surrounding the nomination process in each LD. Despite the drama surrounding the nomination processes, I would say that the best candidate won the General Election in both cases. However, in both LDs we have seen “negative consequences” in the form of significantly weaker district organizations.

  • Observer25

    In 2008, the “Official Democrat Nominee” from both the 36th and 46th legislative districts eventually lost in the General Election. In the 36th, Carlyle won the General Election by a large margin over Burbank, and in the 46th we saw White win by a total landslide over Pollett. There was unfortunate controversy surrounding the nomination process in each LD. Despite the drama surrounding the nomination processes, I would say that the best candidate won the General Election in both cases. However, in both LDs we have seen “negative consequences” in the form of significantly weaker district organizations.

  • Gaslighter

    Gaslighting a story

  • Gaslighter

    Gaslighting a story

  • blah blah blah

    First, this sounds like a non-issue. If the 34th endorsed one dem over another, the reps for that organization (who I assume participated in the endorsement process?) can campaign for the non-endorsed candidate on their free time but not while representing the 34th. Seems like a pretty straightforward policy.

    Reuven brings up an excellent point that many endorsing organizations are grappling with since the onset of top two. Issue specific organizations are faced with three options when confronted with numerous candidates who would qualify for endorsements – chose after the primary, give multiple endorsements in the same race, or stay out of it. The most respectful way (for the candidate and the organization membership) to treat this situation is to develop and maintain a transparent, logical, and respectful endorsement process. I am in the 34th, but don't actively participate after a HIDEOUS experience in the 2008 caucuses so I can't comment on their process. However, I am in leadership at a state-wide organization that endorses candidates based on one issue, and we would never allow this crap. It sounds like the 34th either needs to revise their policies, or clean house to ensure the people making decisions are maintaining confidentiality and respect for each other.

    I will throw one stone – in 2009, the 34th endorsed Rosencrantz over Mike O'Brien, even though he was mixed on choice. If the 34th is going to maintain their commitment to the democratic platform, perhaps they need to go back to the basics, and use these guiding principles to make endorsements and leave personalities out of it.

  • blah blah blah

    First, this sounds like a non-issue. If the 34th endorsed one dem over another, the reps for that organization (who I assume participated in the endorsement process?) can campaign for the non-endorsed candidate on their free time but not while representing the 34th. Seems like a pretty straightforward policy.

    Reuven brings up an excellent point that many endorsing organizations are grappling with since the onset of top two. Issue specific organizations are faced with three options when confronted with numerous candidates who would qualify for endorsements – chose after the primary, give multiple endorsements in the same race, or stay out of it. The most respectful way (for the candidate and the organization membership) to treat this situation is to develop and maintain a transparent, logical, and respectful endorsement process. I am in the 34th, but don't actively participate after a HIDEOUS experience in the 2008 caucuses so I can't comment on their process. However, I am in leadership at a state-wide organization that endorses candidates based on one issue, and we would never allow this crap. It sounds like the 34th either needs to revise their policies, or clean house to ensure the people making decisions are maintaining confidentiality and respect for each other.

    I will throw one stone – in 2009, the 34th endorsed Rosencrantz over Mike O'Brien, even though he was mixed on choice. If the 34th is going to maintain their commitment to the democratic platform, perhaps they need to go back to the basics, and use these guiding principles to make endorsements and leave personalities out of it.

  • http://twitter.com/VoteSizemore Scott Sizemore

    Can't we look at the bigger picture for a moment? People hate being bothered at home. Do not call lists? No solicitation signs? I'm the only noticing the increased prevalence of these things? Maybe calling people during dinner and knocking on their doors isn't the best way to show support in the first place. Maybe it's time for a reinvention of the PCO.

  • http://twitter.com/VoteSizemore Scott Sizemore

    Can't we look at the bigger picture for a moment? People hate being bothered at home. Do not call lists? No solicitation signs? I'm the only noticing the increased prevalence of these things? Maybe calling people during dinner and knocking on their doors isn't the best way to show support in the first place. Maybe it's time for a reinvention of the PCO.

  • ivan

    Citizenship is a bitch, isn't it?

  • ivan

    Citizenship is a bitch, isn't it?

  • ivan

    This is correct. This is what I tried to accomplish. The present administration tossed my endorsement rules and substituted their own, which eliminated the flexibility that would have enabled us to make multiple endorsements for the same position. This is the result.

    It is also enlightening that the same people who blather on and on about openness, bla bla bla, transparency, bla bla bla, collaboration, bla bla bla, empowerment, bla bla bla,bla, are the first to complain about “washing dirty laundry in public” when that openness and transparency exposes THEIR shit.

  • ivan

    This is correct. This is what I tried to accomplish. The present administration tossed my endorsement rules and substituted their own, which eliminated the flexibility that would have enabled us to make multiple endorsements for the same position. This is the result.

    It is also enlightening that the same people who blather on and on about openness, bla bla bla, transparency, bla bla bla, collaboration, bla bla bla, empowerment, bla bla bla,bla, are the first to complain about “washing dirty laundry in public” when that openness and transparency exposes THEIR shit.

  • blah blah blah

    Just curious, but do you regularly vote? If you do, then you don't need to be reminded of the issues and candidates in the various races and a simple “I already voted” or “I already made up my mind” and a thank you will often suffice when someone knocks on your door. If you don't, the sole purpose is to remind you to participate in the political process.

    Political activity is specifically excluded from from the do not call list because the only thing those folks are selling is democracy. If you aren't buying, that's a shame.

  • blah blah blah

    Just curious, but do you regularly vote? If you do, then you don't need to be reminded of the issues and candidates in the various races and a simple “I already voted” or “I already made up my mind” and a thank you will often suffice when someone knocks on your door. If you don't, the sole purpose is to remind you to participate in the political process.

    Political activity is specifically excluded from from the do not call list because the only thing those folks are selling is democracy. If you aren't buying, that's a shame.

  • blah blah blah

    That is a bummer, and probably why I avoid district politics like the plague.

  • blah blah blah

    That is a bummer, and probably why I avoid district politics like the plague.

  • green taco

    Republicans don't have this problem.

  • green taco

    Republicans don't have this problem.

  • ivan

    District politics, done right, is well worth the effort, and very rewarding. It goes awry when people get too full of themselves, and they forget that they are there to serve the voters, and not dictate to them, or they purport to be representative of the electorate at large, when they manifestly are not.

  • ivan

    District politics, done right, is well worth the effort, and very rewarding. It goes awry when people get too full of themselves, and they forget that they are there to serve the voters, and not dictate to them, or they purport to be representative of the electorate at large, when they manifestly are not.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    The 2008 caucus brought an independant person like me in, only to have the White/Pollett race turn me off from wanting to support THAT.
    And the faint echo of the same shit when Jacobsen stepped down doesn't help.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    The 2008 caucus brought an independant person like me in, only to have the White/Pollett race turn me off from wanting to support THAT.
    And the faint echo of the same shit when Jacobsen stepped down doesn't help.

  • Elected PCO

    PCO's are elected by the voters of their party in their precinct and they can say or do whatever they want just like any other elected official. The PCO is the official representative of their party for their precinct.

    http://wa-demchairs.org/kcdems/bylaws/02242010….

  • Elected PCO

    PCO's are elected by the voters of their party in their precinct and they can say or do whatever they want just like any other elected official. The PCO is the official representative of their party for their precinct.

    http://wa-demchairs.org/kcdems/bylaws/02242010….

  • Elected PCO

    You'll notice in 34th bylaws no mention of what PCO's can and can't do with regard to their activities in their precinct

    http://34dems.org/Docs2009/ByLaws-34th-District…

  • Elected PCO

    You'll notice in 34th bylaws no mention of what PCO's can and can't do with regard to their activities in their precinct

    http://34dems.org/Docs2009/ByLaws-34th-District…

  • nuse not the truth

    So, what does it take to get this clown (Nuse) removed?

    Who knows the rules?

    The inability to trust his word is enough, much less the mess he's put the 34th in – again and again.

    Please just resign, Tim. Next meeting would be fine.

    Otherwise, it's recall or removal. All ugly options.

  • nuse not the truth

    So, what does it take to get this clown (Nuse) removed?

    Who knows the rules?

    The inability to trust his word is enough, much less the mess he's put the 34th in – again and again.

    Please just resign, Tim. Next meeting would be fine.

    Otherwise, it's recall or removal. All ugly options.

  • Barleywine

    True about ivan. That's just politics, and it doesn't mean much.

    But who someone is counts for something when it's got to do with things that matter, like density. It seems that those people are all connected to each other, and drawing those lines makes sense.

    You were the only one to salute when I raised the Krime Kouncil flag (with your “tinfoil” comment). I agree that there are lots of people on the web spouting krap about some conspiracy thing or the other. But this ain't one.
    These people are ultra-conservative, and really want to keep the peppercorns out of the Béchamel. That would be normal, but they live in and control much of the north end of the Rainier Valley, and the rest of the valley is pretty damn diverse. They weren't elected, and don't serve the rest of us.

    From Mariana Quarnstrom, about Casa Latina relocating here from Belltown:
    “The riffraff that hangs out [on Western Avenue] would come with them,” says Mariana Quarnstrom, director of the Southeast Seattle Crime Prevention Council. “We're just going to lose what little ground we've made [in the neighborhood].”

    The little ground she's talking about is running as many blacks as possible out of Columbia City, with dogs in the ealy years. With economic means in the later years.
    Columbia City has lots going for it, but it's come at a cost.

    I don't care if people that don't live here don't give a damn about the social cost, but these are the same people that are trying to stop a train. And they work harder at it than you do, McBaker & McIvan.

  • Barleywine

    True about ivan. That's just politics, and it doesn't mean much.

    But who someone is counts for something when it's got to do with things that matter, like density. It seems that those people are all connected to each other, and drawing those lines makes sense.

    You were the only one to salute when I raised the Krime Kouncil flag (with your “tinfoil” comment). I agree that there are lots of people on the web spouting krap about some conspiracy thing or the other. But this ain't one.
    These people are ultra-conservative, and really want to keep the peppercorns out of the Béchamel. That would be normal, but they live in and control much of the north end of the Rainier Valley, and the rest of the valley is pretty damn diverse. They weren't elected, and don't serve the rest of us.

    From Mariana Quarnstrom, about Casa Latina relocating here from Belltown:
    “The riffraff that hangs out [on Western Avenue] would come with them,” says Mariana Quarnstrom, director of the Southeast Seattle Crime Prevention Council. “We're just going to lose what little ground we've made [in the neighborhood].”

    The little ground she's talking about is running as many blacks as possible out of Columbia City, with dogs in the ealy years. With economic means in the later years.
    Columbia City has lots going for it, but it's come at a cost.

    I don't care if people that don't live here don't give a damn about the social cost, but these are the same people that are trying to stop a train. And they work harder at it than you do, McBaker & McIvan.

  • Barleywine

    I'm used to the Kouncil using the term “McCheese” to describe the past mayor, but it seems the only other one besides you using McSandbag for the current one is the blogger “Terrorist”.

    Family?

  • Barleywine

    I'm used to the Kouncil using the term “McCheese” to describe the past mayor, but it seems the only other one besides you using McSandbag for the current one is the blogger “Terrorist”.

    Family?

  • ivan

    Just stop that crap. And stop it now. Run for PCO if you want a vote. The bylaws for the King County Democratic Party, which govern the Districts in the county, are online.

  • ivan

    Just stop that crap. And stop it now. Run for PCO if you want a vote. The bylaws for the King County Democratic Party, which govern the Districts in the county, are online.

  • ericacbarnett

    Ivan, you are not my only source for this story. I'm not going to restrict myself to representing your individual description of the story as you see it. As you surely know, that's not the way reporting works.

  • ericacbarnett

    Ivan, you are not my only source for this story. I'm not going to restrict myself to representing your individual description of the story as you see it. As you surely know, that's not the way reporting works.

  • West Seattle Waiter

    All of these 'democratic organizations' mean squat. They are definition of 'university politics- people with the least amount of power fighting over nothing. Hey all you Demo organizations you control absolute nothing, other than the appointment process. 30-50 people who have nothing better to do than argue over Roberts Rules of Order, while there are 25k registered voters in the 34th. They can't deliver anything. Stop covering these buffoons.

  • West Seattle Waiter

    All of these 'democratic organizations' mean squat. They are definition of 'university politics- people with the least amount of power fighting over nothing. Hey all you Demo organizations you control absolute nothing, other than the appointment process. 30-50 people who have nothing better to do than argue over Roberts Rules of Order, while there are 25k registered voters in the 34th. They can't deliver anything. Stop covering these buffoons.

  • ivan

    Wrong again, Waiter. Don't you get tired of it? There are 70,561 registered voters in the 34th Legislative District, and we deliver an 85 percent turnout, all verifiable at King County Elections. Who's the buffoon now?

  • ivan

    Wrong again, Waiter. Don't you get tired of it? There are 70,561 registered voters in the 34th Legislative District, and we deliver an 85 percent turnout, all verifiable at King County Elections. Who's the buffoon now?

  • West Seattle Waiter

    If you think that the turnout of 85% in the 34th LD in the Presidential Election had anything to do with the 34th District Democrats, you are delusional. Democratic District organizations couldn't deliver a pizza, not less a vote.

  • West Seattle Waiter

    If you think that the turnout of 85% in the 34th LD in the Presidential Election had anything to do with the 34th District Democrats, you are delusional. Democratic District organizations couldn't deliver a pizza, not less a vote.

  • ivan

    I don't think it, troll. I know it.

  • ivan

    I don't think it, troll. I know it.

  • Mr. X

    Um, OK, so Glover Barnes was a big racist when he supported Save Our Valley's effort to get Sound Transit to tunnel through the Rainer Valley instead of running their trains on surface streets, too?

  • Mr. X

    Um, OK, so Glover Barnes was a big racist when he supported Save Our Valley's effort to get Sound Transit to tunnel through the Rainer Valley instead of running their trains on surface streets, too?

  • Not in the Bike Mafia

    While your all arguing Dino Rossi is picking up steam. I say spend this time writing a fat check to Patty and while you are at it send one to Barbara Boxer and few others too.

  • Not in the Bike Mafia

    While your all arguing Dino Rossi is picking up steam. I say spend this time writing a fat check to Patty and while you are at it send one to Barbara Boxer and few others too.

  • Mickymse

    No one's requiring you to get involved in the LD's, Waiter… but I hope you're not one of the people who later complains about caucuses choosing nominees (a Party process) instead of primaries, or appointments to fill vacated legislative seats (also a Party process.)

    If you don't like how things work, how about getting involved to change it?

  • Mickymse

    No one's requiring you to get involved in the LD's, Waiter… but I hope you're not one of the people who later complains about caucuses choosing nominees (a Party process) instead of primaries, or appointments to fill vacated legislative seats (also a Party process.)

    If you don't like how things work, how about getting involved to change it?

  • Rational

    The way reporting works for Erica is she decides what the facts are and tries to find a source to fit those facts. If she can't she just makes it up or writes an “opinion” piece (which on this site are not discernable from news.

  • Rational

    The way reporting works for Erica is she decides what the facts are and tries to find a source to fit those facts. If she can't she just makes it up or writes an “opinion” piece (which on this site are not discernable from news.

  • Rational

    I'll bet $100 that where this story REALLY comes from is Erica thinks Joe has a nicer ass than Marcie. Not the first time her political reporting has been biased by that decision metric.

  • Rational

    I'll bet $100 that where this story REALLY comes from is Erica thinks Joe has a nicer ass than Marcie. Not the first time her political reporting has been biased by that decision metric.

  • Barleywine

    Yup.
    SOV was an attempt to trash Nickels on a most personal level. It was an attempt to stop the train, and had nothing to do with the scare tactics SOV dished out. Racism only because some people see some others as political fodder.

    But it's not rascism exactly.
    Black guy in a suit & tie? Fine. Latino member of the Rotary? No problemo. Vietnamese restaurant owner who's a dues paying member of the Chamber of Commerce? Acceptable.

    Two brothers, pants on the ground, hanging out in front of a Columbia City business? Not so fine. Doesn't matter if it could be proven that they were trading baseball cards or discussing string theory. They must be removed, because somebody with money to spend might be uncomfortable and go elsewhere.

    Not so diferent than the panhandling/homeless thing really.
    If people are uncomfortable downtown because of this, they might not spend money there. Great for business owners if they could erase them. Great for families if they didn't have to look at them (or smell them).

    But not so great for the fellow human beings who are being driven out.
    I understand you, but I don't agree with you.

  • Barleywine

    Yup.
    SOV was an attempt to trash Nickels on a most personal level. It was an attempt to stop the train, and had nothing to do with the scare tactics SOV dished out. Racism only because some people see some others as political fodder.

    But it's not rascism exactly.
    Black guy in a suit & tie? Fine. Latino member of the Rotary? No problemo. Vietnamese restaurant owner who's a dues paying member of the Chamber of Commerce? Acceptable.

    Two brothers, pants on the ground, hanging out in front of a Columbia City business? Not so fine. Doesn't matter if it could be proven that they were trading baseball cards or discussing string theory. They must be removed, because somebody with money to spend might be uncomfortable and go elsewhere.

    Not so diferent than the panhandling/homeless thing really.
    If people are uncomfortable downtown because of this, they might not spend money there. Great for business owners if they could erase them. Great for families if they didn't have to look at them (or smell them).

    But not so great for the fellow human beings who are being driven out.
    I understand you, but I don't agree with you.

  • http://twitter.com/VoteSizemore Scott Sizemore

    “Hi, sir, can I take a moment to tell you about my campaign? Well, my opponent murders babies and supports death panels while stripping away our rights to eat salad with our dinner. He's a socialist and a sociopath. Can I come into your home for a while and tell you how to live your life? Don't worry, I was elected by 12 people in a meeting last Wednesday, I am obviously the most qualified person to talk to on the subjects plaguing global commerce and poverty. No? OK, enjoy your dinner.” But then again, maybe I'm a little biased towards individual responsibility when it comes to participation in the system. At least Fox news doesn't call me at home.