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Dueling Groups Fight, Support Nickerson Road Diet

Two dueling groups have formed in favor and against the proposed Nickerson “road diet,” which would reduce four-lane Nickerson to two travel lanes and a turning lane and add a bike lane, shared-lane markings, and pedestrian-safety improvements. Earlier this month, Mayor Mike McGinn announced he would move forward with the road diet, which was stalled under the previous administration, as part of his “Walk Bike Ride” initiative.

The first group, formed last week, is the 15th Avenue West Coalition, a group of business owners and Magnolia/Queen Anne neighborhood residents who argue that “any proposal that reduces the carrying capacity of Nickerson [for trucks and automobiles] is unacceptable.” They want the city to put off any potential changes to Nickerson until the downtown deep-bore tunnel, which will feed trucks onto Nickerson, is completed.The second group, Support the Nickerson Road Diet—announced on Seattle Likes Bikes this morning— is made up of (so far, just a few) “citizens who support the city of Seattle’s plan to reduce the number of vehicle lanes and to add bike lanes to West Nickerson St. between Warren Avenue North and 13th Avenue.” They note that Nickerson has been targeted for a road diet for years—ever since the city removed marked crosswalks along the street because they were deemed unsafe—and they point out that the only alternative to Nickerson, the Ship Canal Trail, is incomplete and that accessing the trail requires cyclists to cross four lanes of 45-mph traffic.

As a frequent cyclist on Seattle’s often unsafe streets, I strongly support road diets. As study after study has confirmed, adding turning lanes and reducing travel lanes improves safety, reduces speeding, and makes roads more accessible for all users, not just cars and trucks. A recent study of Stone Way—another street where business owners protested a proposed road diet, stalling the project for more than a year—shows that speeding dropped dramatically, pedestrian-auto crashes went down 80 percent, and the number of cyclists using the road increased 35 percent.

Seattle has done 24 road diets since 1972. Every time, businesses and drivers have complained that reducing lanes will result in paralyzing traffic jams. Every time, they’ve been proven wrong. Fortunately, McGinn has the authority to move forward with the Nickerson road diet without getting authority from the city council, whose members, barraged with complaints from drivers and businesses, are already starting to drag their feet.




  • http://michaelmaddux.blogspot.com/ Michael M.

    I hate agreeing with Ms. Barnett. I really do. Almost as much as I hate pedestrians who begin crossing against a crosswalk light (when it's flashing stop), and then get pissed when I make my right turn because my light is turning yellow.

    But, on point –

    I personally believe that it would be in everyone's best interest to give Nickerson a Road Diet prior to the tunnel project. Safety being a major reason (having all of those extra trucks and the like re-routed), but also to encourage more cycling and use of alternative transportation options.

    As has been discussed (ad naseum, and I really don't want it to start again), the tunnel is going to decrease capacity on Highway 99. Folks who can need to start planning now for how they're going to adapt to the new reality that is a more transit friendly and oriented Seattle and highway.

    Making the city safer for cyclists wherever high usage is possible is not something that should wait, and this is one Road Diet that will do just that.

  • Gomez

    One thing to note (and in fact I checked Google Maps to verify this before posting) is that Nickerson is a much wider street than Stone Way. Right now, large portions of Nickerson have four lanes and two curb lanes. There's going to be a lot of white space on Nickerson with a road diet.

    I'm not opposed to a road diet on Nickerson: As a pedestrian who lives on Queen Anne and walks to/from Fremont I can attest it's one of the tougher roads to cross or bike on.

  • Luke

    Way, way, way easier for me to stop at a business on Stone Way when traveling at 30 mph, than it is to, 1) see desired business and 2) stop and park when traveling at 45. When I say that I think of the Ranier Valley and Lake City.

    That said, make the city streets safe and slow. Make the absolutely idiotic freeway system and sloth slow to build transit system make sense!

  • Eugene Wasserman

    I am President of the North Seattle Industrial Association.

    Since last June the Association has been working to improve bicycle, pedestrian, transit, car and truck safety in our area. We have been working with SDOT on improvements to the existing Burke-Gilman trail and the design of the new lighting Ballard Bridge to work for bicyclists. We have had signage changed and trees trimmed on the Ballard Bridge to improve bicycle and pedestrian safety.

    Our businesses on the south side of the Ship Canal have worked successfully with SDOT on the South Ship Canal Trail.

    During the winter we forced City light to fix hundreds of broken street lights that created safety problems on the Burke-Gilman trail, pedestrians, routes, bus stops, arterials etc. I personally took the lead in that effort

    The Association's safety concerns have lead us to file the lawsuit against the proposed missing link of the Burke-Gilman trail.

    So stop being lazy, stereotyping businesses as evil, get your facts straight and actually do some work on bicycle, pedestrian, car and truck safety.

  • http://www.dougunderground.com DOUG.

    I'm curious who these obstructionist business owners are. No matter how you feel about cyclists, this is a public safety issue. Nickerson has become a speedway, a speedway that travels right through a university teeming with students traveling on foot (and bike).

    I just found out that N 45th St in Wallingford underwent Seattle's first “road diet” back in 1972. Yes, traffic is often slow on that road, but pedestrians (and especially small businesses which become more visible) benefit from the pace of that traffic. Today the idea that a car should be doing 40mph on 45th is absurd.

  • biliruben

    The Association's safety concerns have lead us to file the lawsuit against the proposed missing link of the Burke-Gilman trail.

    What safety concerns? I had thought it was being held up because of an environmental assessment.

    So is the 15th Avenue West Coalition just an extension of the NSIA?

  • Dave

    Eugene, you would have more credibility if you addressed head on the primary reason for Nickerson road diet which is pedestrian safety. Those of us who live on this street know the issues: it is dangerous as hell for pedestrians; traffic needs to be radically slowed down including and especially trucks; the dangerous and accident heavy 800 block Nickerson sharp curve will be eased in the diet; it is safer all around for bicyclists, pedestrians and drivers and will not negatively impact through traffic. Call us lazy, but when study after study matches real life needs and personal experience on a street for 28 years, I would say: “get your facts straight” or better yet, spend a day crossing the street at the 800 curve, anytime is good, rush hour preferable.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    “I'm curious who these obstructionist business owners are.”

    Information like this would be in the public interest and a worthwhile article for Publicola to publish, I'd think, so citizens could ask their fellow citizens: Why?

  • Jefe

    I bike commute daily on part, sometimes all, of Nickerson. The studies are no surprise – for a biker, it is dangerous. For pedestrians, it is super dangerous. People speed constantly and rarely give bikers enough room, even with an empty lane to spare on their left (not sure why this is so on some streets more than others – maybe it has to do with the speed of the car?).

    I'm sorry, but I just cannot take these business coalitions seriously when they flat out oppose all pedestrian/bike improvements. I have constantly heard that they will lose tons of business, be engaged in expensive lawsuits, and inconvenienced to bankruptcy. Is this some kind of bargaining strategy (highball and then compromise) or do they think that I am supposed to believe them?

    Look – I agree that there might be safety concerns and a slight reduction on business (although I think the opposite is usually true), but “any proposal that reduces the carrying capacity of Nickerson [for trucks and automobiles] is unacceptable”?? WTF? Haven't these people ever heard of Chicken Little? I've stopped listening. Come to the table with some reasonable positions and I'll start again.

  • morning

    http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/docs/pmp/…

    The link takes one to a map of pedestrian collisions. The period covered is 2002 to 2006. In that five year period there were 3 on Nickerson. In that same period the road dieted 45th had about 15 and Eastlake con diet had 11.

    From the industrial businesses' in Ballard's POV it does seem that the city is trying to drive them out of business. Look at other streets and the number of collisions and explain why Nickerson would be so high on the list.

  • Lisa

    Has there been any discussion on whether this will encourage more people to use the parallel path of Leary (which is similar in structure to Nickerson) and crossing the Fremont Bridge instead of the Ballard bridge? If Nickerson ends up being as slow as 45th, I would imagine Leary might get more traffic.

  • Michael Snyder

    Because since 2006, SDOT has had to remove several crosswalks on Nickerson and I vaguely remember a few close-calls on Nickerson since the crosswalks were removed.

  • Michael Snyder

    Because since 2006, SDOT has had to remove several crosswalks on Nickerson and I vaguely remember a few close-calls on Nickerson since the crosswalks were removed.

  • http://www.dougunderground.com DOUG.

    Eugene Wasserman: I don't see where businesses are being stereotyped as “evil”. That being said, some businesses don't really care much about the community in which their located. And I'd like to know which businesses those are.

  • Matt_the_Engineer

    N 45th is a great success story. Was anyone around back in the early '70s and remembers 45th? (it's before my time) I'm guessing it looked a lot like Nickerson does now. There was probably the Dick's, a few businesses, and fast moving cars. I imagine with the college right next to it and Fremont nearby we could make Nickerson very nice if we made it more pedestrian-friendly.

  • http://twitter.com/paulruiz Paul Ruiz

    In my 10 years of living just off Nickerson, I have seen 7 car accidents, 2 of which involved pedestrians being hit. This is just counting on the intersection of Nickerson and Dravus. The common elements of the accidents appeared to be speeding and cars stopping to make left turns or make way for peds. It is entirely obvious to me that reducing traffic to one lane in each direction and adding a dedicated turn lane would greatly mitigate this class of accident on the roadway as was found to be the case in the Stone Way revision study. http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/docs/Ston…
    I have yet to hear how going from 4 lanes to 2 with a dedicated turn lane will adversely impact industry near 15th and Nickerson. If just the potential for travel delay on 1.4 miles of road is going to put you out of business, then you already had bigger problems. Problems that are only going to get worse as this overwhelmingly residential area gets denser with time.

  • Gomez

    N 50th is probably a good template for what N 45th used to look like. Remembering N 45th pre-diet, N 50th is a good approximation.

  • Matt_the_Engineer

    Check out the Stone Way story. Traffic on nearby streets has gone down. Also, the 1999 report on road diets showed average volumes for post-diet roads usually goes up. Yes, cars drive a bit slower. But there are just as many of them.

    I would imagine at some point 45th had more car volume after the diet, as thriving businesses there became a draw.

  • Gomez

    That link's a bit jacked. Here's the link:

    http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/docs/pmp/…

    I can kind of see the argument to road-diet Nickerson: It's pretty much the only arterial corridor along N Queen Anne, and there may not be accidents along that route because so few use it, because of the danger. Notice there aren't many accidents along the dangerous Ballard Bridge route either: The lack of reported accidents doesn't necessarily indicate it's safer.

  • mike

    dick, it's not flashing stop, it's telling them it's about to flash stop. the pedestrian has the right of way. your running the yellow and nearly hitting them should get you some serious go fuck yerself karma points. learn to drive and don't be a douchenozzle.

  • Michael Snyder

    45th has many more stoplights than Nickerson or Leary do.
    If you watch the traffic on 45th (from the vantagepoint of a sidewalk), you see a backup from Aurora, a backup from I-5, a backup around Wallingford Ave.

    Even Leary has more stoplights than Nickerson and near Hales Ale, Leary narrows to one lane eastbound in the morning already with the on-street parking.

  • Matt_the_Engineer

    That's a good point. Despite having a college and being near Fremont, very few people walk there. It's hard to hit pedestrians when there aren't any pedestrians.

  • Gomez

    I hope this is a troll comment, because everybody should know that the flashing red walk signal, like a yellow light for cars, indicates not to enter the intersection if you haven't already, though pedestrians in the crosswalk may finish crossing.

  • mike

    SDOT also removed the crosswalks on 36th in Fremont, making pedestrians cross a 4 lane road (illegally) that is also a speed way, or waiting for a light at phinney that shouldn't bother having the pedestrian button because it isn't turned on. clowns.

  • morning

    SDOT elected to remove crosswalks because they have a theory that people in crosswalks get a false sense of security.

    The Pedestrian Collisions at Midblock & Intersection Locations 2002 through 2006 map/report is a SDOT product.(Don't know why the link doesn't work) I'm sure the same anecdotal near miss stories can be told for every street, but the fact is that Nickerson is a safe street.

    Mike – Every intersection is a legal crosswalk.

  • morning

    Could you provide actual data on the traffic going down on nearby streets?

    45th was always full of thriving businesses.

    Traffic volumes have gone down on Eastlake – the Red Robin is out of business after being there for 60-70 years. The Lake Union Cafe is only open for banquets. It was a regular restaurant before the Eastlake road diet.

    The SDOT “study” on Stone Way is a puff piece. The Safeway is closed, the construction supply place is closed, Stanby's is closed, the newish building at 41st has empty store fronts…

    If the 1999 study (link?) says volumes stay the same but slower that means more pollution.

  • Edog

    Is Streets for all Seattle just an extension of the Mayor's walk bike ride, or Cascade and Sierra for that matter?

  • Mr. X

    45th is an absolute clusterf***, which also impacts transit speed and reliability to a significant degree. If that is a “great success story” I'd hate to see failure.

    (and with all due respect, Gomez, the zoning and development on 45th bears no relationship whatsoever to that on 50th – and that particular “road diet” backed up eastbound traffic something fierce)_

  • Matt_the_Engineer

    Search this site for the Stone Way story. The link to the actual study is there.

    “45th was always full of thriving businesses.” I wasn't around before 1972, so I couln't tell you. Can you tell us what it was like? Was it as pedestrian-friendly? Are you sure it was as thriving – it's packed with interesting restaurants and businesses today.

    “says volumes stay the same but slower that means more pollution” Gregoire said this just the other day, a direct quote from the road building industry. Right after she said she was identical to any Republican govenor (ok, she was talking about cutting taxes, but still…). This is not only false over time (due to induced demand), but beside the point. We don't want people speeding in our neighborhoods.

  • http://michaelmaddux.blogspot.com/ Michael M.

    When the sign starts flashing stop, pedestrians are not supposed to enter the crosswalk. Period. People who do are dicks, and can be cited for jaywalking.

  • Steve

    The link above appears broken (still).
    But it does sound contradictory / confusing if the stats apparently contained in that doc do indeed indicate that that the number of collisions are relatively low because people avoid Nickerson (“because of the danger”, according to @Gomez), when the city is saying at the same time that the stats are so high that sometime must be done.Which is it?

  • Jason_Mitchell

    Eugene, please elaborate as to what has been written that you find stereotypes “businesses as evil”? Also, do want to bother explaining what facts you don't think Erica got straight, or are you just lobbing irresponsible bombs?

    And as long as we're talking about laziness and getting facts straight, can you please provide evidence that previous road diets in Seattle have led to whatever terrible result you fear on Nickerson? Because as long as you don't bother to refute the main point—-namely, that every time a road diet is proposed folks like you sound the sky-is-falling-horn, only to be proven wrong by history—you are, frankly, blowing a lot of hot air. Thanks.

  • morning

    No it didn't look like Nickerson looks now. It pretty much looked like it looks now. The grocery store was the Food Giant, Bartells was there, the Guild and the Russian restaurant that serve the best Piroshkies, dairy Queen where the QA pizza place is now. Lincoln High had 2400 students at its peak. There was a pool hall where the auto parts place is on Stone.

    The whole street between Stone and the Freeway was commercial as it is today. Moon Temple was there and Murphy's – there was a tavern called the Rat Hole where you could throw peanut shells on the floor. Tweedy and Pops, the lighting store, the police station across from the bank.

  • morning

    You obviously have no idea.

  • morning

    Okay try this and then click the collision map link

    http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/pedestria…

  • Gomez

    Whether or not the diet worked is certainly up for debate (and I'm not arguing that it did: I agree there's been problems on 45th and have seen the backups myself), but 50th does illustrate what traffic flow and pedestrian conditions were like for crossing 45th before the road diet… even if 50th lacks the businesses that 45th has.

  • Gomez

    You'll need to explain this with a little more detail than five words.

  • morning

    As already mentioned there was a theater, bars, major grocery store, drug store, police station, fire station, hardware store, – there were plenty of shops —- while 50th has a gas station and a convenience store. There were a very few homes near Lincoln that were converted to shops and restaurants – I'm not sure when but I'd guess around 1975.

    No one that knew 45th before the road diet would compare it to 50th.

    45th has been a major commercial street for over 70 years – 50th has as close to nothing as possible.

  • Michael Snyder

    Eugene,
    Did you do an inventory of the non-functioning street lights? I'd like to know which ones you found and reported.

    I know that 15th Ave is a really big freight route, but almost 2 years ago after seeing that most of the lights had been dead for over a year I provided Seattle City Light with an inventory of around 150 lights that were flickering or dead along that route. Over half of the lights were not functioning correctly. On some sections, only one light out of 5 was functioning.

    I have to wonder how often do you pay attention to street lights if one of your big routes was almost entirely un-lit and a single cyclist spent a couple evenings to get Seattle City Light to fix the whole corridor.

    After I sent my list to a few city council members, the city council told Seattle City Light that they needed to inventory their dead lights instead of just relying on citizen complaints to identify dead lights.

    I also hear reports in the Seattle Bicycle Advisory Board meetings that the folks that you represent skip nearly all of the tri-party (bike/ped/freight) meetings where freight isn't explicitly on the agenda. The head of SDOT even made the comment in one meeting that it was enough of a problem that he'd call your folks on the issue.

    If you want your businesses to not be seen as just looking out for yourselves, you should have someone at every tri-party meeting despite the agenda and drop your lawsuit that is preventing the city from fixing the track crossing under 15th where people are injured so frequently that Dutch Bike Company nearby keeps running out of bandages.

    It also doesn't help that your BINMIC neighborhood plan explicitly states that you don't want any new bicycle facilities near your properties.

  • Jarvis

    Without the road diet on 45th, there wouldn't be any room for on-street parking. Take away the parking and I seriously doubt Wallingford would be the vibrant neighborhood center it is today. You really want to kill all those businesses Mr. X?

  • Jarvis

    Amen, Jason.

  • John

    The Red Robin closure had nothing to do with Eastlake. It had everything to do with the building needing significant, expensive renovations that the chain wasn't interested in pursuing, as the floor plate doesn't meet the way the do stores today.

  • Gomez

    TBH I was mainly comparing the traffic patterns of the two streets and the difficulty for pedestrians in crossing them, not so much the relative presence of commerce. Obviously, 50th is far more residential. But pre-diet 45th was just as fast moving and tough to navigate for pedestrians as 50th, even with the businesses.

  • skyeschell

    Amen.

    And I would note to “People speed constantly and rarely give bikers enough room, even with an empty lane to spare on their left”

    In cases like this (now basically everywhere), I ride in the middle of the lane so there's no way for a car to buzz by in my lane. They have to change lanes. This reduces any ambiguity and makes it feel safer.

    Of course, this isn't a choice bikers should have to make. We should have safe places separate from traffic.

    Amazing how even with nothing but good results from all the projects so far, people have so much fear of change that they can't see those good results, and predict disaster.

    Also to note: when we talk about reducing vehicle speeds, we're talking about bringing them down closer to the speed limit — i.e., people speeding less. Noone's even thinking about bringing them down into the legal speed limit. If your business needs people to speed through a neighborhood — change your business model.

  • morning

    The parking was there pre-diet. If anything there was more business, albeit not targeted at the more upscale Wallingford that developed because factors unrelated to the diet.

  • morning

    The Red Robin's biggest problem was parking. The additions of all the condos and apartments with limited parking pushed the patrons further and further away from the store.

  • morning

    45 had plenty of crosswalks and signalized crossings. If they had stats showing huge numbers of ped accidents, where are they.

    45th never resembled 50th of today, ever, in any way.

    I'm not even against road diets per se, but there is no reason to mis-characterize what was and what is.

  • Gomez

    Okay! If you say so!

  • TValley

    Definitely. Nickerson is a disaster. I often consider taking Nickerson from Magnolia to Fremont when I'm cycling, for example, but always decide against it because I know it's really dangerous.

    It's a residential area for several blocks but the traffic is highway-like. Not ok, not necessary.