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Dueling Interpretations of NBA Poll

Two dueling interpretations of a SurveyUSA poll asking voters their views on the prospect of a new NBA team in Seattle got our attention this afternoon.

First, from the Slog:

Since reporting on Monday about group’s plans for an initiative that would renovate KeyArena or build a new stadium to help bring the NBA back to Seattle, a new Survey USA poll has shown major support for the proposal and initiative backers say they’ve expanded their plans—responding to public enthusiasm—to make sure a new facility could also accommodate hockey.

The post goes on to cite one number—72 percent, the percentage of respondents who said they’d support a new arena that didn’t cost citizens anything.

OK. Here’s the P-I’s take:

Poll: Most in region don’t want, don’t care about NBA team

A new survey shows pretty tepid support for the National Basketball Association in the Seattle area.

Sixty percent of respondents said they either don’t want a new team or don’t care one way or another, according to a KING5/SurveyUSA poll.

That number came from a different question—asking whether people supported, did not support, or were indifferent to the prospect of a new team.

So what explains the disparity? The Stranger‘s post took the most positive scenario, a stadium built with no tax dollars, and used it to characterize the poll as strongly favorable to a new or rebuilt stadium. In contrast, the P-I took the most straightforward question—do you want a new NBA team?—and concluded that voters were opposed or indifferent to the prospect.

The “free stadium” proposal also benefits from being entirely hypothetical. Arena boosters say the cost of a new or rebuilt arena—approximately $300 million, according to the most recent estimate—would be paid back entirely by user fees. With just over 1 million attendees a year before the Sonics left (600,000 of them Sonics fans), it’s hard to see how user fees alone would pay to renovate or replace the arena.

Digging into the more detailed questions, in general, a strong majority of Seattle voters—60 percent—said they either don’t want a team or don’t care. Not surprisingly, then, a strong majority also say they would be unlikely to attend a game—57 percent. If the stadium was in Bellevue, a proposal supporters have strongly hyped, even more Seattle voters wouldn’t go to games—a whopping 70 percent.

Finally, the 72 percent who support a new stadium if it’s free weren’t asked whether they would pay the massive user fees that would be required to pay back $300 million.

Shorter version: Most people in Seattle don’t want, or are indifferent to the prospect of, a new or revamped stadium.Most people in Seattle wouldn’t go to NBA games if there was a new stadium, especially if they were in Bellevue, as stadium boosters have proposed. And the only situation in which voters would support a stadium is the unlikely scenario in which it costs them nothing.

If and only if the stadium was free, however, a strong majority would be willing to accept it. How that translates into “strong support” for a ballot measure to fund a new stadium is anybody’s guess.

Full survey questions and answers below.

Do you want a professional NBA basketball team in Seattle? Do you want Seattle to NOT have a professional basketball team? Or do you not care one way or the other?

Want team 41 percent

No team 18 percent

Don’t care 42 percent

If an arena could be built for a new NBA team without using any taxpayer dollars, would you support? or oppose? building an arena?

Support 72 percent

Oppose 20 percent

Not sure 18 percent

If an NBA team did come to Seattle, how likely would you be to go to a game? Very likely? Somewhat likely? Not very likely? Or not at all likely?

Very likely 19

Somewhat likely 22

Not very likely 26

Not at all likely 31

Not sure 1

How likely would you be to go to a game if an NBA team played in the Bellevue area instead of in Seattle?

Very likely 13 percent

Somewhat likely 16 percent

Not very likely 28 percent

Not at all likely 42 percent

Not sure 1 percent




  • East Coast Cynic

    Bad Poll: Didn't address the local hockey fans. While I believe a new arena should be privately financed, I would gladly go if we acquired an NHL franchise, whether building is situated in Seattle or Bellevue.

  • ratcityreprobate

    Why is a ballot measure needed if no taxpayer funds are required? I think I know the answer to that question and that is the taxpayers are going to be asked to guaranty the bonds. That is not going to fly with the voters and that should have been made clear in the poll.

  • giffy

    Well its a public building. Pretty sure some private citizens can't just decide to levy some fees on attendance and start renovating a public building without asking first.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Well, Nicastro said on KJR that Steve Ballmer is still “in”. That's 150 million off that 300.
    So, you are talking about 150 million.
    Seattle was going to fund their 75 million dollar part of the Key Arena remodel with user fees. So, I think the question of user fees comes down to 75 million (give or take).
    It is short, until you see the quote in slog by Nicastro that they would build a building the could host a NHL team. I think you can make up the rest of the user fees with the NHL.
    That also means that Key Arena is out. The floor is too small.

    It looks possible to do this without a damn dime of general fund money.

    With the NBA and NHL I think they cover the user fees.
    If they can make that work then I hope the put it on the east side. I would lime to have a reason to go there.

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    If they want to do this with no public money, why are we even voting on it? Go buy the land and build whatever you want. If I had $5,000,000,000 burning a hole in my pocket, why the fuck would I need Seattle or the region's permission to buy Key Arena and all the adjacent commercial properties, demolish them, and then–aside from building permits, etc.–build an all-new Ultra NBA/NHL Wonderland 100% out of my own money?

    Or are they using this as a way to gauge civic interest in the project?

    You all in the media are missing the real angle here. If they don't want any taxpayer money, whats the point of this as a vote?

    Ask that hard question.

  • ratcityreprobate

    But couldn't the City Council just approve a re-build of Key if no City money was required? That shouldn't require a public vote. They are not asking for a vote for that silly (awful) Chihuly Museum proposal at the Center.

  • giffy

    Because they need to issue bond. Even if they could get financing on their own it would not be Munis, which have tax free interest.

  • giffy

    So they can issue bonds. Only the city can issue Municipal bonds, which thanks to their tax free nature mean lower borrowing costs.

    And Key Arena is a public building on public land. We tend not to sell those.

  • seandr

    I'd say 40% support for an NBA team is about as high as it gets for a particular sport or cultural event. That's likely higher than pro soccer, women's basketball team, or hockey would have gotten, and maybe even football too given that most fans seem to come from the burbs. Ask about ballet or opera and you'd be lucky to see support in the teens. But that doesn't mean the city doesn't support it.

  • onboard

    I miss the Sonics, and lower Queen Anne businesses miss them too. Securing a tenant to replace the Sonics in this location is an important part of bringing the Seattle Center up to its potential. I think that residents would support a renewed effort if it is presented in the context of overhauling the Center as a whole. As the largest public space in the central part of the city, this should be a bigger priority.

    the recent uproar over the Chihuly proposal shouldn't be about whether or not a private interest should come in and invest, but whether we should be approaching the entire redesign of the Center on a piecemeal basis.

    Bring all this stuff forward as part of a master plan please.

  • N8

    So they would be using public resources if they pay for it themselves but use the City's credit rating. and if they used city bonds, wouldn't that put the city on the hook in they defaulted?

  • N8

    Just don't use any state or regional money for it! Let Seattle decide if the return on the increased commerce and tax is worth it, but don't take my money for a project in Seattle; like they have been doing for light rail and the tunnel.

  • giffy

    Its really the city that is doing everything. The city levies the “use fees” (also called taxes) and pledges the revenue stream to bonds. So the city would certainly be liable for the bonds.

  • kurdo8

    This poll is horrible, obviously its a one-sided view of a tax payer that doesnt want a new nba team in Seattle. This poll gives a false statment of want the people of seattle really want and that is to get the SuperSonics!!!

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    Not likely the results you would appreciate to look at.