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Why Vancouver’s Transit System Has Seattle Beat

Zach Shaner, a Vancouver-based transit writer, has a great (and damning) critique of Seattle’s transit system today over at his blog.

Predictably, Seattle’s transit service doesn’t fare well when compared to Vancouver’s; surprisingly, it’s not because ours offers less service overall (Seattle-area transit agencies provide 5.68 million service hours a year, only slightly behind Vancouver’s 6.18 million), but because of the way those service hours are allocated.

Not to get all Hugeasscity on you, but I’m going to have to get into the weeds for a minute. Warning: Graphs ahead.

First of all, Shaner notes that while Seattle has nearly twice as many bus routes as Vancouver (395, compared to Vancouver’s 215), an astonishing 37 percent of those routes operate only during commuter hours—i.e., they don’t run during midday at all. Compare that to just 13 percent of Vancouver routes that don’t offer midday service. “While Seattle offers the commuter market a wealth of one-seat rides to the downtown core, it does so at the explicit expense of the system’s intuitiveness and its ability to compete with the spontaneity of the car,” Shaner writes.

It’s pretty dramatic:

Second, Shaner notes that Seattle transit agencies have “an unfortunate affection for the 30-minute headway.” Whereas just 30 percent of routes in Vancouver run every 30 minutes or less at rush hour, fully half of Seattle’s rush-hour bus service runs on 30-minute or longer headways. Even worse, during off-peak hours (in the middle of the day), only ten percent of routes run every 15 minutes or better, and a full 20 percent—not counting the 37 percent that, again, don’t run during the day a all—run once an hour or more. In Vancouver, 28 percent of routes run every 15 minutes or better at midday.

Here’s the picture at rush hour:

And midday:

Note that although the number of routes running only every 30 minutes is higher in Vancouver, that city has far more midday routes with midday service running at 15 minutes or better—more than a quarter, compared to less than ten percent in Seattle.

The upshot: To convince people that riding transit is a viable alternative to getting in their cars, the system needs to be predictable and reliable, not random (good service in some parts of town, lousy service elsewhere) and undependable (nonexistent midday service means you may get stranded).

How do we do this? First of all, by equalizing the system—get rid of redundancies (Route 42, I’m looking at you) and reallocate those hours to routes (like the 17) with infrequent service. If that’s not enough (and it probably won’t be), expand service to increase frequencies throughout the system so that almost every route runs throughout the day. Yes, that will require a tax increase of some sort (or reinstating the head tax?), but voters have shown again and again that they’re willing to pay a little more when the alternative is service cutbacks. (Cracking down on fare evasion on light rail—by upping enforcement of installing turnstiles—would increase revenues slightly as well.)

Shaner identifies the third problem with Seattle’s transit system as “branding.” Noting the dizzying number of separate transit agencies in Western Washington, each with their own literature, transfer system, and online trip planner, Shafer concludes that “the price [of a fragmented transit system] is a chaotic framework with mediocre service.”

Shaner suggests renaming all the transit agencies “Sound Transit” to “make things more intuitive for the rider.”

However, before we go down that road, it might make more sense to fix the major technological problems that keep people from using transit. Get rid of paper transfers throughout the system, address the widely reported issues with ORCA cards, add real-time arrival information to every major stop so riders will know when, or if, their bus or train is coming, and get rid of the ride-free zone downtown, which is largely responsible for the confusing “pay when you board”/”pay when you exit” system.

Finally, Shaner notes one aspect of Seattle that we really can’t do anything about: Our topography. “There are huge lakes, steep hills, ship canals, and an overall dearth of flat land on which to build grids or arterials.” While we can’t level the hills or fill the lakes, but we could do a lot to make our transit system more reliable, predictable, and friendly to people who actually have cars but want a viable, greener commute alternative.




  • Kevin

    You know how often the Skytrain runs at rush hour?
    Every 90 seconds. True story.

    How about the 99 b-line buses from Commercial/Broadway to UBC?
    Basically every 0 seconds. They just run back to back. Bus pulls up, fills, leaves, and there's another empty one right behind it. Amazing. Wikipedia says wait time is 2-4 minutes but that's like people getting on and waiting for the next red light cycle time.

  • Michael G

    The “pay as you leave/enter” issue is irritating, but I'm not sure I would consider it to be a major problem. Nevertheless, I do question whether the Ride Free Zone is really worth the cost.

    There are some routes, such as the 48, whose schedules are notoriously unreliable. Always give yourself at least 10 minutes more than you would otherwise need if a 48 is involved in the trip.

    What about the weekday/weekend distinction? It's bad enough trying to get around midday; on weekends it can be very difficult. And while I'm at it, is there really enough difference between Saturday and Sunday that the two days need to have different schedules?

  • misha

    Also, that article only looked at bus systems. Vancouver has fewer bus routes because their SkyTrain carries almost as many riders per day as the entire King County Metro bus system (400,000 per day), and because most of Seattle's bus system serves the sprawling suburbs.

    Vancouver's SkyTrain: 345,000 riders per day
    Seattle's Link Light Rail: 15,000 riders per day

  • YouCanntGetThereFromHere

    Good stuff- I wish they would have broken out the Seattle numbers into Metro vs. Soundtransit, if only to put an underline on the point about multiple agency issues.

    I still don't get Metro's approach to scheduling; from a rider's perspective it seems they're trying to cover as much ground with one route as possible, assuming that people will never want to transfer buses and are willing to wait hours for a trip that takes minutes in a car.

    You don't need to know a schedule with less than 15 minute headway's. Goto the Bellevue transit center during peak hours and ask any 564/565 rider when the next bus is- they'll shrug and say 'any minute'.

  • http://www.sightline.org Alan Durning

    Two other factors influence Vancouver v Seattle transit service, Erica:

    1. Greater Vancouver is much smaller and denser than greater Seattle. Consequently, it doesn't need anywhere near as many routes to cover its geography.

    2. Greater Vancouver's transit system is run by a single agency Translink, which has taxing and decision-making authority. Consequently, it can plan bus routes with less political meddling. For example, Vancouver has no s no ludicrous 40-40-20 rule.

  • Michael G

    You usually don't need to know less than 15 minutes, but sometimes you do, as I discovered a week ago on a trip for an appointment downtown.

  • bgtothen

    I think his post was mostly on point. As some have pointed out I think this is partially just a result of Seattle being less dense and more spread out. However I also think it is a representation of a different set of investment priorities, which is why the policy review that Dow is doing right now is so important.

    Personally (and I think a lot of other people too) think that Metro weights too heavily on equity. This has meant that given more money it seams that Metro rather add a new 30 minute headway “milkrun” bus in some low density neighborhood rather than add the service hours to trunk routes. Once a route gets to 10 minute peak/15 minute off peak Metro calls it good enough and moves on.

    Only recently with Transit Now's service improvements to reduce crowding and Rapidride has Metro seriously focused on its core routes. So to me if there is one take away from this and one thing that Dows committee comes on up it should be a heavy and renewed focus on core routes, with secondary focus on commuter routes, and very little focus on half hour milkrun service.

  • seandr

    Interesting ideas. With something as complex as a transit system, there are without doubt significant optimizations that could be made that would improve service without increasing costs.

    And what is the point of the ride-free downtown thing?

  • Ezra

    I agree that we do need to look much closer at how we can eliminate redundant peak routes. Good examples are Metro routes 76, 77 and 79.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Supplanting a bus with LR, and trolleys, encourages bus route sprawl.
    There are “or” decisions being made, but not enough “and” decisions.

    For the most part the story hit most of the problems I have with the “system”. That is, it isn't a system (sorry Jan) the multimodal mishmash is wasteful in nearly every way.

  • transitriders.org

    Transit riders union is proposing a fast and frequent bus network to address some of these issues. The idea is shift buses from the milk runs carrying few riders to focus enough buses on the major routes to provide frequent service, and to speed upt the trips by having all day express bus routes. And make a map that looks like a subway map.

  • http://twitter.com/rizzuhjj John Jensen

    It is almost certainly not true that installing turnstiles would result in a net increase light rail revenue. Turnstiles ain't free.

  • ericacbarnett

    Of course they're not free, but neither are fare enforcement officers. I'd be willing to bet that fare enforcement officers are more expensive, especially over the long run, than turnstiles.

  • Sherry

    The whole point of the “Ride Free Zone” is not that Metro is warm-hearted, but rather they want to get people on & off in downtown traffic as quickly as possible. Anyone who has stood behind a rider who has “forgotten” or “lost” his/her pass/transfer/cash knows how long they will stand there bickering with the driver. Imagine this is happening on 3rd & Pike at 4P on a Friday. It's confusing to the uninitiated, but I do think it makes sense.

  • Wells

    The concise point brevity is admirable. This transit guy believes LRT on 520 could have a 'permanent' surface terminus at UW and it still makes sense, especially to the Bel/Red line. Argue that point or shut up, pardon my french.

  • Seriously?

    Glad the topography discussion was mentioned. This reality also makes all our projects very expensive (bridges, tunnels, etc..). When people compare transit implementation costs between cities, this is never recognized. I agree about the fragmented nature of our various agencies, and honestly don't know where to start consolidating, but with the recent addition of street car and light rail in downtown Seattle, its getting ridiculous when you add in KC Metro, Community Transit, Washington State Ferry, etc… For the transit “hubs” under development by the DPD (King Street Station, Westlake), how will these be signed so people can seemlessly interchange between services? Good news is that with light rail in place we have a LOT of untapped capacity. Those trains can each have 4 cars, and headway can be increased to be only 4 minutes if demand warrants. Adding mid-day service is a good idea on the surface. I'd like to really understand how much that would cost, and how many people would ride it. Seattle does well in terms of transit commuting (at least for a US city), ranked 8th in the nation, with 17% taking transit to work (2005 data). San Fran is the best on the west coast with 32.7%. Portland is 3rd on the west coast at 13.3%. New York is tops at 54.6%. Note how Portland (despite its transit reputation) doesn't rank higher than Seattle for percentage of transit commutters. Yes, they outrank us in bike usage, but more people in Seattle commute on foot than in Portland. Vancouver has excellent transit, and transit-oriented development that is well beyond US practices).

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Not isolated to downtown.

  • Seriously?

    Turnstyles (like NY subway) would be applicable for the tunnel stations, where it could be implmented relatively easily, and the demand could warrant it. Adding turnstyles to the at-grade, median stops along MLK would be harder, since its the entrance to the station is not physically defined by a stairway, or escalator. People would be tempted to just bypass the turnstyle by walking in the street. Maybe focus on the tunnel stops for turnstyles, and have other enforcement means on the at-grade stations?

  • Grover

    “While we can’t level the hills or fill the lakes, but we could do a lot to make our transit system more reliable, predictable, and friendly to people who actually have cars but want a viable, greener commute alternative.”

    Buses and light rail are NOT “greener” than cars. That has been well-established. A high-mpg car is more energy efficient than the typical bus or light rail system.

    And there is probably not a less-green and stupider waste of money and energy than running buses or trains more frequently in the middle of the day with nobody on them!

    How stupid can you be? The key to being energy-efficient is to have as many people on each vehicle as possible, whether buses, trains, cars or ferries. Even with long headways, off-peak buses and trains are fairly empty, which means they are wasting energy. So, you want to increase the number of those buses and trains running around empty in the middle of the day or late at night? You increase frequency, and you will get even fewer passengers per bus or train. You do understand that, don't you?

    To be more “green”, they should eliminate low-ridership routes.

  • AL4Transit

    Actually, while it seems counterintuitive, frequent headway is critical to changing behavior on a more permanent basis. It starts competing with the advantages of a car and offers the benefits of less driving stress and lower cost of travel; and environmental advantages to those who care. The longer headways capture the few diehard transit users; but does not change behavior on a larger scale. Given our busy schedules and multiple commitments/errands few can afford to wait 30 mins if they JUST missed a bus and more (as I have experienced) if the bus is running late. The temptation is to pay the extra cost for relative dependability of car travel

  • AL4Transit

    Perhaps a solar powered pre-paid ticket system that one would have to run through the bus's ticketing system would reduce the confusion during loading. Those with ORCA cards handy would not need to use those at all…it would be great if these electronic systems also included a light, remote video, emergency phone, electronic schedule notification system. Sounds expensive but perhaps like the Seattle parking towers, it will actually reduce the free-riders and recoup the purchase and installation costs in a few years.

  • Cynthia

    Grover makes a lot of sense. Where is the study showing the actual cost (in energy consumption and dollars spent) per bus mile vs car mile (per person) travelled? If buses are virtually empty mid-day, they create more pollution. This is an environmental disadvantage, not a benefit.

  • Kathryn

    The plethora or agencies, wesites and payment mechanisms has my new co-worker (fresh from the east coast) utterly flummoxed just getting from Crossroads to downtown. I shudder to think how she will find her way to a meeting in Tukwila when niether the KC Metro site or google maps even include light rail as a option!

  • Abe

    Agreed. The 48 is terrible. And it's not just that busses run late, although they frequently do (I've waited over 45 minutes for a 48 when they were scheduled to arrive every fifteen minutes). I frequently see drivers running five to fifteen minutes *early* and not stopping to get back on schedule. Between the confusing schedules, unreliability, and safety issues, it's not wonder people who have a choice choose not to use public transit in Seattle.

  • James

    Outside of Southern California, Seattle has the worst public transit on the West Coast. San Francisco is the best, with Portland and Vancouver not too far behind. Seattle is still way back there, unfortunately.

  • Eric

    San Francisco has very hilly topography, yet they have much better public transit than we do…

    Topography should not be an excuse.

  • zefwagner

    I know I've read before that Metro is thinking about adding ORCA readers to all the doors so that people can still board quickly downtown. Sure, you'd have some people evading the fares, but who cares, really? Fare revenue is tiny compared to operating costs, and discourage ridership anyway.

  • zefwagner

    Enforcement of any sort almost always costs more than what you bring in from the fares. What are we trying to encourage here, anyway? If society wants more people to take transit and fewer people to drive cars, we should have transit be free or nearly free and make driving more expensive (tolling, gas tax, parking). We have a system now where the marginal cost of taking a trip in a car is much lower than taking transit–no wonder so many people drive when they have a choice!

  • zefwagner

    The buses are empty because they are in low-density areas or they are low-frequency. That's the whole point of this article, that we need smarter transit. In Vancouver, as someone mentioned, the skytrain runs every 90 seconds sometimes and they are probably always full for that reason. Way more people ride when they don't have to wait.

  • Tim

    Having just returned from Vancouver where I rode the new Canada Line light rail between downtown and Richmond, this posting is of great interest and currency.

    A key factor in the success of TransLink system is the compact development that surrounds major transit lines and stations. The street grid is well connected allowing for cross-town routes (like 99-B mentioned by Kevin) to intersect main trunk lines from downtown to outlying neighborhoods and suburban cities. Residential towers of 12-25 stories are clustered around some of the SkyTrain stations in Burnaby, Surrey, and Richmond. We don't have that (yet) in Kirkland, Renton, or Shoreline.

    Frequent service on core routes that serve well traveled, busy corridors is needed to make transit more reliable and promote the compact walkable neighborhoods along the routes. The RapidRide lines should be coupled with zoning to produce a more Vancouver-esque landscape. And, go Canucks!

  • Seriously?

    The comment was related to Erica's statement regarding greater fare recoup to fund additional transit. What are we trying to encourage here? I think the point is to develop a system that will be attractive to potential riders – to draw them out of their cars. Cost of fares is a minor factor in deciding whether or not to take transit – its still cost significanlt less than a car trip. Plus, if fares are eliminated, that cuts into Sound Transit's ability to pay back their bonds, which hampers their ability add to the system. Enforcement does not cost more than what they take in. I think Erica's point was to tighten up fare collection so that additional funds could be directed towards additional service. When you say “the marginal cost of taking a trip in a car is much lower than taking transit” What are you basing this on? Parking in downtown Seattle is $30 a day, or $300/month, plus gas and insurance, and car ownership and storage. How do you figure that? Transit is so much cheaper than using a car that Sound Transit's based their advertising on what you could do with all the money you could save.. “you could pay for a Hawaiian vacation, or college”) What really counts in making transit attractive to people is making it easy, and efficient to use (convenience, speed and reliability). Statements about what “society” wants or making things “free” sound great, but are empty platitudes that have no footing in reality. As for eliminating the “ride free” zone, it may have finally run its course. Not many know that Seattle created the whole concept of this back in the early 70's – it was called the “magic carpet zone” zone back then…

  • zefwagner

    Um, do you know what marginal means? It means the cost of the car, any parking that you pay ahead of time, insurance, etc are all sunk costs that don't end up factoring into someone's decision to take a given trip on transit or by car. The marginal cost of a car trip is about 10 cents per mile based on the cost of gas. The marginal cost of a bus trip is 2 dollars divided by however many miles the trip is. You can see which one usually costs more. The parking cost downtown is one of the only reasons many car owners will take the bus downtown, but they'll use their car for other trips.

  • Seriously?

    Metro didn't create the ride free zone. It was created at the request of the City Mayor (Wes Uhlman) back in 1973 – It was then known by the “groovy” name of the Magic Carpet Zone. The City agreed to pay Metro transit $64,000 per year to offset the cost. It was a 24-hr free zone to encourage ridership in the downtown core, to promote among other things, shopping, and activating the area. It may well have outlived its intent. But it was not the transit agencies idea. Funny (sad?) how people are quick to assume some negative connotation…

  • Seriously?

    That may be your perception, but Seattle's transit system is very well used. In fact, only San Francisco has a greater percentage of people who commute using transit than Seattle on the US west coast. Portland is 3rd best on the west coast, behind Seattle. Not sure how Vancouver ranks, but I would assume better than Seattle, and maybe San Francisco as well. As for those who think Portland has such great transit, well only 13.3% of people use it to get to work, while in Seatle, 17% do (they apparently love their cars in Portland even more than in Seattle). This is 2005 data, and would not include any additonal trips by the addition of Link light rail in Seattle. Recall also that Portland does not have commuter rail, or an HOV system. Portland does have a nice system, and in some ways nicer than our more bus-based system, but the data shows its not used as much as ours.

  • Seriously?

    San Francisco also has BART, which is a huge difference-maker. Sadly, Seattle could have had a similar system, but the voters here rejected the Sound Move rapid transit initiative, and the federal funds (enough to cover 2/3 of the total system costs) were instead given to Atlanta, which created the MARTA system. So we really crippled ourselves there. Don't blame me, I was only 3 or 4 at the time, but my father was crushed over this, and it left quite an impression on me. So no, topography is not an excuse, but without tens of billions of dollars in additional transit tunnels, we will have an exceedingly hard time matching San Fransico's numbers

  • South Downtown rider

    Ezra, the 76 used to be a contender… before it got shafted/shifted to the tunnel, it was counter programmed to the rest of the 70's series. If you lived north of 65 and commuted to the south end of downtown it was the bestest/fastest route to work. I used it for a year on a commute to a project near the Columbia Tower. you could board at the Jail and be home in less than 20 minutes. Someone decided to reverse the reverse, much to the dismay of those in south downtown, and now all of these folks get to spend 20 minutes longer each way commuting, and basicly the route is not that much different from 65th to town. WORSE, it shows up in the tunnel bunched usually with other 70's series… and too full from University station north to add capacity… just time to everyones commute and helps clog the tunnel. Stupid on all counts. Just ask the riders who now have added 40 minutes to their run.

  • Grover

    Actually, you totally missed the point: transit does NOT have “environmental benefits.” Also, transit does NOT “cost less” than driving a car — the costs of transit are just mainly borne by taxpayers, instead of by the people taking the trips.

    http://www.templetons.com/brad/transit-myth.htm…

  • joshuadf

    The people taking transit trips are taxpayers. Some of us “socialists” are actually happy to pay taxes for public services. My taxes also go to local roads that I rarely use because I don't need to own a car. Gas taxes don't even cover the full cost of interstate or state highways.

    Also, you realize the chart you linked shows that nearly every kind of transit from diesel buses with 9 people beats solo cars in efficiency? How's that not environmental benefit?

  • http://twitter.com/rizzuhjj John Jensen

    I don't think that's generally the case. Turnstiles are more expensive than cheap labor over many years, and really only work on high-ridership lines with relatively high fare evasion. I very much doubt that turnstiles would be cost-effective here.

    There's some good reading on Transport Politic: http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/08/17/a…

  • Chris Stefan

    For those of us who live North of the University District the 76, 77, and 79 (along with the 312 and 316) are hardly redundant. They avoid the slow congested slog on crowded buses down University Way. Even with the recent routing changes all three routes are a good 30 minutes faster between downtown and the North end than the 71, 73, and 72.

  • ballardissmallilikeanonymity

    And still our intrepid Metro forges ahead with RapidRide's 15-minute headways (same wheelchair and bike-loading procedures, so more like 10-20-10-20 headways), and oh-so-very-rapid 30-minute headways after 10:00.

    30 minute headways in the not-so-late evening is like posting a gigantic notice: “Hey, people who own cars, don't bother choosing this bus for your evening plans, ever!”

  • jns

    Getting rid of 40/40/20 should be at the top of any Seattleite transit rider's list… Make it a legislative voting issue.

  • jns

    Yeah, it was originally created for economic development of downtown. It has probably outlived its usefulness. The City certainly doesn't pay $64,000 these days… more like $300-400 K, annually.

    It sure makes getting around downtown convenient though…

  • foundersfriend2010

    Big Elephant in the room…..
    Question from a transit neophyte – Why are the “geniuses” with ST & Metro burning thru all these $$$$ trying to shoehorn Light Rail into the greater Puget Sound, rather than modeling the SkyTrain system from the Vancouver BC area, a region with like topography, like population sprawl (Density is coming) and similar environmental challenges? We are wasting so much $$$ on a light rail system that will never carry even 10% of what the SkyTrain system capacity….Can anyone provide any insight???

  • Justin Case

    Schedule… what schedule? Thank god for the OneBusAway app on the iPhone, as the buses I take are probably 95% off schedule by several minutes (mainly 358). How hard could it be to install some real-time arrival signs at major stops? Ridiculous that you have to be wealthy enough to afford a fancy mobile device and service to get access to that info.

  • Anc

    I believe you mean Forward Thrust, not Sound Move. And having ridden MARTA, I have to say I'm glad we waited and are getting it right with LINK, rather than have MARTA here.

  • Gues

    Not to mention a lot of city buses in Seattle are on the Electric grid and don’t use conventional fuel.