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Report Says Current 520 Plan “Virtually Precludes” Rail in the Future

This report has been updated multiple times to include information from this morning’s briefing about light rail on the 520 bridge.

A report commissioned by Mayor Mike McGinn from consultant Nelson/Nygaard concludes that while it’s possible to build light rail on 520, the region’s transportation plans will have to be dramatically rewritten to include rail on 520. If the state moves forward with its current “preferred” six-lane option, the bridge would have to be retrofitted in the future and expanded ten feet to accommodate rail—a retrofit that would be prohibitively expensive and environmentally damaging.

Conversely, if the city, Sound Transit, and the state moved forward with planning for light rail on the bridge, it would take about five years to complete planning to add rail to the bridge, a consultant said this morning. The target date to open the new bridge would move back too, perhaps six months to a year, a consultant said this morning.

Nelson/Nygaard consultant Tim Payne and Mayor Mike McGinn present the results of Nelson/Nygaard’s study of rail on 520 this morning.

“We have one chance to get this corridor right,” McGinn said at a briefing on the report this morning. “The corridor as currently designed virtually precludes light rail in the future.”

“If the region moves forward to formally consider plans for light rail on SR 520 today, light rail could be a reality in the corridor,” the executive summary of the report says. “On the other hand, if current plans for SR 520 remain unaltered, there are significant, perhaps insurmountable, obstacles to building light rail in the corridor, even if formal planning efforts identify light rail as the preferred option.”

Asked to address the fact that the state legislature, governor, and city council seem unlikely, at this late date, to abandon their preferred alternative (the public comment period on the bridge plan closes April 15), McGinn pointed to polls showing that Seattle and Eastside residents support rail on 520, and noted that neighborhood groups and elected officials in the 43rd legislative district, where the Seattle side of the bridge is located, also support putting rail on the bridge. “Five years, 10 years, 20 years from now, are we going to say, ‘Boy, we should have built light rail’? It’s very, very difficult, if not politically impossible, to to ever build light rail in the future” if the state moves forward with its preferred design, McGinn said. “What I’m asking is that other elected officials in the region jump on the bandwagon that the public is already driving.”

McGinn also mentioned the possibility that neighborhood groups might sue to stop the bridge as currently planned, but said he didn’t have details about any lawsuits currently in the works. “We do know from the history of highway-building in Seattle that people who don’t like something oftentimes address it in court,” he said.

The current preferred design, which includes four general-purpose lanes and two HOV lanes, would have to change in several ways to accommodate light rail, the report says. First, the bridge would have to include enough space between the eastbound and westbound lanes to accommodate rail tracks, which would replace the HOV lanes. Second, the bridge would have to be expanded up to ten feet to accommodate rail on the bridge deck. Finally, the pontoons that support the floating bridge would have to be substantially larger to support the extra weight of rail.

The report identifies five possible corridors that could be studied for future light-rail routes (sorry for the crappy iPhone photo; the presentation doesn’t appear to be available online), including a route connecting Ballard to the University of Washington and a route connecting Aurora Avenue in Haller Lake to the UW. The report identifies four options for crossing the Montlake Cut to reach the UW: A high-level bridge, a low-level bridge, a tunnel, or a new bridge parallel to the existing Montlake bridge.




  • Timothy

    Precisely, and why the mantra of “Hey, I support transit too, and we can do that in the future, just not now” is a spurious claim. Those who claim to support transit (like Deb Eddy did at the Publicola discussion on 520), but want to build it later, after we've exhausted our need to build and maintain roads, are either delusional or disingenuous. Doesn't matter which.

  • four_eyes

    Word, Tim.

    Moving forward without light rail in the works would be akin to how Seattle was built..city first, transportation/transit later. The Council should open their eyes and look at the city's history so as to not relive the expensive and preventable mistakes of the past.

  • Matthew

    Sorry, I'm confused. All along, the state DOT has been declaring the existing pontoon design would allow for light rail expansion in the future. Does this study refute that claim? Does the study mention how it would be funded? Also, did you see those big, bold, colorful lines in Kirkland and north Bellevue (thx Erica!)? Good luck with that!

  • TranspoGuy

    McGinn was wrong to insist that the bridge should open with light rail operating on day one. But, it would be so phenomenally stupid to build a bridge that could not easily and cheaply be retrofitted for light rail in the future. A six month delay is worth it to get it right. Sorry, the Mayor's right on this one, the Council's wrong. Council, please look out for the Seattle residents' interests on this, not the interests of Seattle hating Gregoire and Seattle hating eastside legislators.

  • Timothy

    I think if you go back and read what WSDOT has said, it's much more nuanced than you're saying. They've said that light rail could be added later; what they don't tell you, until you get deeper into their documents, is that the bridge has to be expanded in order to do that. So, I don't think WSDOT has ever said the current design of the pontoons will support light rail. But, I also think their language was specifically crafted to confuse that question.

  • Timothy

    McGinn is NOT saying that the bridge should open with light rail operating on day one. He's saying that the tracks should be there on day one. Big difference, and if you're going to criticize his position, then get it right.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    I've created a new site called Masterplan.

    http://masterplan2100.blogspot.com/

    The concept:

    There are many piecemeal proposals and plans to “solve problems” in Washington State. All of them suffer from accepting too many presuppositions and existing conditions.

  • Kathryn

    The report is very helpful. I especially think routing BRT and transit on a bridge east of the current Montlake Bridge, possibly even bypassing Pacific, to the future light rail station makes tons of sense.

    I also prefer no ramps int he Arboretum. The environmental impacts are just terrible. But remember — this bridge is tolled os I has high hopes that traffic might just be mitigated.

  • kurisu

    WSDOT also doesn't seem to have a clue about how to design an interchange that can ever accommodate light rail. You can't expect trains to just follow the HOV offramp. It's entirely appropriate to expect that a rail connection from the UW to job centers on the eastside will become highly desirable.

  • Wells

    In 2000, when Link Phase Tunnel to UW bust its budget, WSDOT pounced on Sound Transit funds to demand $100 billion now for more freeway projects. WSDOT honchos go out of their way to stop light rail in order to serve their well dressed country club buddies who are directly involved in automobile-related business and industry. WSDOT is corrupt, and it'll take a while to root out the decrepit mismanagement at SDOT whose “Mercer West” and the Alaskan Way boulevard design proposals are absolutely atrocious. Some version of Tunnelite is the only sensible tunnel replacement for the AWV. Neither SDOT nor WSDOT honchos want the public to know how this is the truth.

  • hobgoblin

    Why is Seattle so hot and bothered to build a second light rail line across Lake Washington to Bellevue when most Seattle neighborhoods don't have access to any light rail at all?

    It seems like if we can afford redundancy in the light rail system, you'd want to put rail into highly populated neighborhoods that are currently without access to rail – I don't know, say on the west side of the city, or Everett or Tacoma for that matter – instead of paying a billion or so to lay yet another set of tracks across water (mirroring service to be provided across I-90). A fucking sturgeon will have better access to transit than I will.

  • http://jstahl.org/ Jon Stahl

    It is absurd to think that the State/City Council/WSDOT, et al would even think of building a new bridge that was infeasible to put light rail on. Shame on them, and kudos to Mayor McGinn for shining the light on this and insisting on some sensible long-term thinking. If it costs us six months to get this right for the next 75-100 years, I think we can swing it.

  • giffy

    Light rail across 520 just doesn't really make sense the more I think about it. A bigger bridge means lots more fighting and cost, and for areas that will be served by whats currently under construction. Both the UW and Redmond will have light rail and spending a bunch of money to make that trip somewhat quicker seems like a waste when we could connect more areas. How about extending the line up to Shorline, across to Bothell, and then down to Redmond instead. You would serve a lot more people, and given the speed of light rail it would not be that much slower than going across the lake, which would not really add any more locations to the overall system.

    McGinn really should be spending his time making sure that Seattle can put together a plan to bring light rail to west Seattle and Ballard instead of this rather pointless fight.

  • great white snark

    Not like anybody who works at microsoft lives in the north end of seattle or anything. Not like pointlessly riding a few miles south and then a few miles north twice a day would ever have any impact on anyone's life or anything. No, better to go full speed ahead and never think about having direct rail to redmond/dwtwn bellevue.

  • jdubman

    Mayor McGinn has decided to develop a Seattle Transit Master Plan, and light rail on 520 will clearly be part of that vision. 520 has been in Sound Transit's long range plan since 2005 as a future high capacity transit corridor. The decision to avoid precluding it on 520 was made long ago; what we are hearing now is that some changes will be required to ensure that outcome. The Mayor has exactly the right set of priorities. We will depend on the bridge we are about to build for the remainder of the 21st century and possibly beyond. We can’t afford to do it, and then re-do it a few years later. We get one chance to do it right.

    East Link light rail over I-90 will connect Seattle, Bellevue and Redmond, but will not by itself do much for trips from North Seattle to the Eastside, as it is too indirect to help. A trip from UW to Redmond via light rail over I-90 will stop at Capitol Hill, Westlake, University Street, Pioneer Square, International District, I-90 / Rainier, Mercer Island, South Bellevue, Bellevue Transit Center (TBD), 116th, 124th, 132nd, Overlake Village, and finally NE 40th / Microsoft. It would take an hour longer to make a round trip from UW to Redmond via I-90 than it would via 520. As the consultant determined, there is a substantial transit market served by 520 that is not served by any other facility in the region.

    In WSDOT’s current plans, buses do all the work for transit on 520 for the indefinite future. These buses suffer from with congestion on I-5, congestion on downtown streets (as buses will be kicked out of the downtown tunnel), and the legendary congestion on Montlake Blvd. A single sailboat can bring the entire system to a halt. We’ll be packed like sardines on crowded, tardy buses in 2030 with WSDOT’s current plans, while the general purpose lanes are totally jammed up with cars burning $7/gallon gas, with a million more people in the region than we have today. Once you arrive in Seattle, you’ll swim through a sea of traffic whether you are in a bus or car or on a bike. Is that a vision worth spending $4.65 billion to achieve?

    520 is a great transit market – directly connecting to the city of Seattle’s largest employer on the west side, and Microsoft on the Eastside. Both rail lines could actually share right of way east of I-405, heading towards Microsoft. We could make use of the “dinner train” right of way – which is already graded as a rail corridor — to get from 520 to East Link in the Bel-Red area. 520 itself is the only missing piece. Meanwhile, we can make an efficient rail-to-rail transfer at UW, which will generate the “network effect” in which the benefits multiply with each additional line that’s tied into the original system – just like the rest of the world has been doing for decades.

    It makes no sense to invest $4.65 billion in new bridges that cannot actually support light rail. As designed, WSDOT's “Plan A+” cannot support light rail on the floating bridge, The proposed second drawbridge will never be able to carry light rail — and it doesn't really improve traffic and bus performance either, because it overloads the intersections on either side. We have reached the point of diminishing returns in trying to cram more cars through Montlake, and our Mayor clearly understands this.

    What would Portland do? Portland is building a new bridge that won’t even accept cars – the Willamette Transit Bridge, for buses, streetcars, light rail, pedestrians and bicycles.

    What would Vancouver do? Vancouver just opened the new Canada Line last year, a rail line carrying 100,000 people a day, in a city that never even built freeways.

    What would San Francisco do? They finished the work nature started, tearing down the Embarcadero freeway, and now they’re building light rail. Even Phoenix and LA are now building new light rail lines instead of expanding highways. The list goes on. None of these metro areas would approve WSDOT’s Plan A+ the way it is designed. Plan A+ makes a mockery of Washington state’s climate goals, and that is going to be seen as a crime by the subsequent generations who will really be taking the brunt of the bad decisions we make today.

    We are presently at least $2 billion shy of the funds to complete Plan A+ or any other plan with a similar cost. The only way we can raise that kind of money is for a project that has popular support, which Plan A+ lacks today. The Mayor couldn't be more right on this issue. Mike McGinn is a hero of our age.

  • giffy

    But why not go over the top of the lake? You'll hit more of North Seattle, and also a bunch more of the Eastside. Once thats done you could make the center lanes BRT only and run a bus between UW station and North Bellevue or Redmond. With only a couple stops it would be as quick or quicker than light rail and you would save a ton of money. I am generally pro rail over bus, but in the case a rail circuit around the lake with this crossing via bus would be cheaper and work much much better.

    Plus no need to fight with the state which is going to involve some concessions elsewhere.

    “Mike McGinn is a hero of our age.”

    lol

  • jdubman

    What to do at the top of the lake (522) is another conundrum. The current vision is incremental and bus-oriented. It's a vital transit corridor, but it's a somewhat different market. Sand Point to Kirkland is another intriguing option, but it requires yet another floating bridge, which is quite an ambitious proposition.

    It's already been decided to avoid precluding light rail on 520. Given that, we have just learned that we need to make some adjustments to the plans, no matter what we may eventually do elsewhere.

    Seems to me that the City of Bellevue and the development community that wants to turn Bel-Red into a large scale, sustainable new urban community should be all over this vision.

  • jeffswitzer_wsdot_SR520comm

    People are asking WSDOT whether the SR 520 bridge is being designed to accommodate light rail. In a nutshell: Yes. WSDOT engineers have designed the new SR 520 floating bridge so that additional pontoons could be added to support the weight of light rail if the region makes this commitment in the future.

    For more details, please visit the SR 520 Web page (http://bit.ly/aZO74T). Also feel free to send questions to sr520bridge@wsdot.wa.gov.

  • hobgoblin

    I'm having a difficult time fighting back the tears of sympathy as you describe Microsoft employees living in Laurelhurst having to “needlessly ride a few miles south and then a few miles north twice a day” on light rail across I-90. Wow, screw an extra billion or two, I'd happily pay $10B to make your light rail trip just a bit more convenient. That's so worth it.

  • Matt_the_Engineer

    Sounds like more misleading spin from WSDOT. Are you saying that the bridge has been designed to accommodate rail without widening the bridge? Because saying that “additional pontoons could be added” doesn't tell us that that's all that needs to be added.

    Do you work for WSDOT? If so, I feel like you're wasting my tax dollars. Don't forget you work for us.

  • http://twitter.com/Zelbinian Dustin Hodge

    Your personal biases against people who work for Microsoft are orthogonal to the point. Stop being so self-important.

    In the study – which you should actually look at before critiquing – they found scientific evidence that there is a significant market for high-capacity transit in the 520 corridor. Don't believe it? Watch what happens to the traffic patterns in the Seattle Metro area when Microsoft has it's annual meeting and everyone travels to Seattle instead of Redmond. Not to mention that easy, car-free access between Seattle and the Eastside at multiple points serves to strengthen ties (both philosophically and economically) between the two regions.

    I don't know how people can argue with a straight face that we need two high-capacity car lines over Lake Washington but we only need one high-capacity transit line.

  • Charlie Mas

    I'm troubled by this line from the story:
    “Asked to address the fact that the state legislature, governor, and city council seem unlikely, at this late date, to abandon their preferred alternative (the public comment period on the bridge plan closes April 15),”
    If there is no chance that the plans will change, then what's the point of public comment?

    Not only does this window-dressing public comment bother me, but I'm bothered by the fact that no one else seems at all bothered by it.

  • Seroiusly?

    Does anyone remember how 3 years ago, the City of Seattle fought with WSDOT to have the SR 520 pontoon sizes shrunk down so that they couldn't easily accomodate the 8 lanes that Bellevue was demanding. Now Seattle wants the pontoons bigger again… Funny how so many people don't remember, or ignore this, and assume WSDOT is trying to “trick” the City. Read up people.. WSDOT is trying to walk a fine line with the “accomodation” of light rail in the future. It essentially means that if in the futre, funding was available to add light rail to the SR 520 bridge, that the work being proposed in the replacement plan wouldn't have to be torn out. Recall that by law, WSDOT can't spend tax dollars on transit. This law is outdated, but until that is changed, we can't expect WSDOT to do anything but follow it.

  • jeff

    But only about a quarter of the project is coming from the gas tax. All the other money can be used for transit. They are building this monstrosity only for cars because they only care about cars.

  • Edog

    “then get it right.”

    Kind of off topic but thats an interesting choice of words. McGinns presentation that says there is one chance to “get it right” seems false and misleading to me. Its a mindset that seems to infect everything he does. Its not clear to me if this is rhetorical, or if he believes that he gets it and no one else does.

    And since we quibble, the mayor said “We can design 520 from the outset to include light rail.”

  • hobgoblin

    You use the phrase “orthogonal” and then accuse me of being “self-important?” How ironic.

    I think the reason why someone could argue with a straight face that you only need one high-capacity line across the lake is due to cost and priorities. Resources are limited. We have a Seattle-to-Bellevue light rail link currently planned, funded and soon to be under construction across I-90. For someone to make the argument that the Seattle-to-Bellevue link is worthy of multiple light rail lines where most of the region (and most of the region) has none, well… let's get you in a room with Everett, Tacoma, West Seattle, Queen Anne and Ballard and see what happens.

    Read my earlier comments again. My problem is not with employees of any company. My problem is with people like you who insist you need double service when most of the region has none. That makes you, not me, self-important.

  • Seriously?

    Wow, you really think it comes down to a personal mode preference? Your rational is laughable, and your facts (about 75% of SR 520 funding “can be used for transit” are BS. Again, it was the City of Seattle that demanded that WSDOT shrink the pontoons so that the bridge wouldn't be able to be widended to have 8 lanes of traffic. They are following through on agreements that were crafted several years ago (and with a different mayor – who was also the Sound Tranist Chair).