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McGinn Responds to Boos from Labor

This post has been updated with a clarification on McGinn’s push for green jobs.

Earlier today I linked a PI story about yesterday’s labor rally at Westlake Center where Mayor Mike McGinn was booed by building trades union members for his positions on 520 and the waterfront tunnel (re-work the 520 plan for rapid tranist, ie light rail, and Nope on the tunnel, respectively.)

Mayor Mike McGinn, Photo by Josh Feit

I called McGinn this morning to get his reaction to the less-than-friendly reception, and he called back this afternoon to have his say.

“We know from the campaign that the building trades are critical of my positions on the viaduct and 520,” McGinn said. “And despite the potential for cost overruns, they’re going to push hard for those projects. There was nothing surprising about that. Look, I’ve got a position about cost overruns on the viaduct, and I’m going to stick to that position. And I want to see a plan for light rail on 520, and I’m going to stick to that.”

McGinn reiterated that his “most important” priority is jobs, and he’s pushing several projects that he thinks the unions should be psyched about:

The $250 million seawall; the $125 million First Hill Street Car project; the $400 million broadband build out; and the $200 million Mercer fix.

On the  green jobs front, “creating jobs for plumbers, pipe fitters, and HVAC workers,” McGinn noted an energy efficiency disclosure ordinance for commercial buildings that he recently signed and an internal effort at the city to find retrofit opportunities in municipal buildings (to be funded by the savings from energy savings.)

And there’s the McGinn plan to put light rail on the ballot next year.

“These will get people working a lot faster than the 520 project will,” McGinn said.  “We need to make investments in infrastructure that we can pay for.”




  • Ballardwatch

    “These will get people working a lot faster than the 520 project will,”
    Very true- pontoon construction in Grays Harbor hasn't even started yet, and we need to get tolls going on 520 and I-90 to pay the construction workers

  • WOW !

    “He also noted energy efficiency ordiance that’s in front of council that will mandate retrofits—”creating jobs for plumbers, pipefitters, and HVAC workers”

    Who pays for the mandated retrofit ? The private developer that is hanging on by a thread and has no plan to do another development in his or her life time ? How about the club owner in Pioneer Square or Capitol Hill that is also hanging on by a thread. I hope I am wrong, but this is McGinn's plan for job creation ? Until the construction industry starts going back to work in large numbers, the unemployment rate will never come down in this state. Being green and installing a nifty heating system designed in Norway in some club will not bring back the construction industry. Now 520 and the Viaduct, those could start the zombie breathing again.

  • Mickymse

    I'm not sure about this particular city ordinance… but much of the talk all over the place about “green” retrofits is government paying for government buildings (e.g., schools, offices, etc.) And the idea is that the expense will be offset by the large savings in utilities from upgrading what are often fairly out-dated buildings.

  • West Seattle Waiter

    Its called the 'politician death spiral' — once you start to get booed in public especially by people in who should be in your corner such as organized labor — now its open season for everyone to start to boo him. And then he stops going out in the community, because people from across the spectrum start to boo him. The only thing he attends is meeting with Ambassadors. But its over folks. He is heading to Patterson/Blago territory. He is one AP story from being in Leno's monologue.

  • sempervirens

    The 520 replacement project will create jobs no matter which alternative goes forward. McGinn's desire to slow 520 negotiations down in order to put light rail on it, a dubious proposition, is bad for labor unions who need jobs NOW.
    “Pushing” Mercer and the First Hill Street Car??? Those projects have been years in the making, and the latter isn't even a City project — it's set in stone in ST2.

  • Selma

    It's pretty bad, isn't it? It takes hard work to get booed for proposing light rail in Seattle, but McGinn managed to make it happen.

    The bar keeps on getting lowered with this guy.

  • tpn

    In effect, McGinn says, “workers are too dumb to know what is good for them, and that is why they need experts like me to tell them what is good for them”.

  • Wells

    So, it doesn't matter that the deep-bore tunnel is a engineering pile of crap and will make traffic worse, and same with the 520, as long as the money comes rolling in. Is that what you're saying, buddy boy?

  • Wells

    Clueless deep-bore tunnel supporters have a rude awakening coming. Mayor McGinn is right to oppose the tunnel and it won't be long before the truth is revealled and McGinn heralded as among Seattle's greatest mayors. Dumb ass Seattlers. Your Highway Robbery Department Lords have the whole lot of your at each others throats.

  • Wells

    Mayor McGinn is exposing corruption at WSDOT and heroic to fight absolute criminality there and at SDOT. The sh*t is about to hit the fan.

    Mike McGinn for Governor !!

  • gloomy gus

    With friends like this, who needs enemies?

  • Selma

    You're weird.

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/Communicate.with.Mike Mr. Baker

    March 2010 McGinn would lose to November 2009 McGinn is a special election.

    He is in a hole that he jumped into head first.

    Note to McSandbag: you can both support the tunnel and oppose being on the hook for cost overruns, but you knew that, you just oppose the tunnel no matter what the costs, even the pretend numbers rolling around in Cary Moons head.
    They are booing you because you bring nothing to the table.

    The voters are smart Mike, just like you said during the campaign, that's why they are booing your ass.

  • cynic

    how many of those construction workers and union boys are seattle residents? i'll bet most of them drive their big ass pickups in from the 'burbs. those are jobs we don't need and the money won't come to our coffers. and the roads industry is like the military industrial complex – a huge waste of money.

  • Seattle_Steve

    So the measure is whether the Mayor creates jobs a little faster in Seattle than the state does in Grays Harbor County?

    That's just dumb. People need jobs of all varieties now, not a debate about which ones happen slightly faster and occur in Seattle as opposed to Aberdeen.

    The people in the building trades are pretty smart when it comes to judgements about politicians and construction jobs. They have lots of experience.

    Mayor McGinn doesn't. His response to the boos is more evidence of why he is unpopular and getting more and more raspberries, not less.

    McGinn makes the rookie mistake of forgetting, again and again, that the campaign is over. It is not necessary to mischaracterize the views of others while promoting your own views. McGinn seems incapable, most of the time, of understanding this.

    He has a disagreement with people over 520 and the Viaduct. Fine.

    But is it really necessary to poke people in the eyes when you disagree with them about something? When you're the Mayor?

    These are dead end tactics. If they continue, Mayor McGinn will keep making more enemies than friends.

    These are not the words of an effective Mayor in a major American city, or an effective Mayor in any small town.

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/Communicate.with.Mike Mr. Baker

    Making assumptions based on your speculation is one way to explain away the booing.

  • http://twitter.com/fattailed fattailed

    Buildling trades unions are famously narrow-minded in their frame of reference on these kinds of issues — they'd probably support concentration camps if they were built union. Their opinion doesn't reflect the interests of the region, or even the interests of workers, except in the very short term. And construction unions are not the same as “labor”.

  • tvguide

    Poor Wells thinks McGinn will build his cut-and-cover monstrosity if the deep bored tunnel is nixed. How sadly he is deluded.

  • oiseaux

    I quite enjoy reading people who obviously have disagreed with the Mayor from the get-go. They speak of him “making enemies.” It's no secret that the people that boo the mayor have been booing him since BEFORE he was mayor.

    When you take a look at the people that liked him and his priorities before and during the campaign, you notice that they still like him and his policies.

    I mean, is it that hard to realize that anything progressive is not favored by those that do not get any sort of direct compensation. I would wager that these labor unions maybe have home offices in Seattle, but most of the pissed off workers live in places like Auburn, Kent, or Federal Way.

    Lastly, the people that complain about mass transit, reducing traffic, and you know, saving money, are the same people that complain about the taxes that pay for things such as roads and big tunnels. Yep, those things that you drive you cherished car on.

  • MudBaby

    McGinn is probably salivating at the prospect of all the construction jobs that will be available during cleanup after “The Big One.” His first thought when he wakes up is “Hmmm…I wonder who I can alienate today?”

  • Wells

    Your perspective on McGinn is delusional. Maybe you'll see things different when the truth comes out. Some chastized authority figure that you've entrusted to do your thinking for you will explain things. When you see Grace Crunican doing the perp walk in an orange jumpsuit, maybe you'll learn to think for yourself.

  • Wells

    Just try to use your brain, dude. You know it can be a difficult exercise, but the sooner you make the effort, the sooner your posts will have value. Union construction members recently decried McGinn's opposition to the deep-bore tunnel and supposed loss of jobs. If only you and they realized hundreds more jobs are created with the Cut/cover tunnel. It's not entirely your fault. The WSDOT campaign to deceitfully manipulate opinion in support of the malevolently engineered deep-bore tunnel has harmed many people. Do continue contributing your opinion on issues you actually know something about.

  • Wells

    You are in for a rude awakening, Baker boy. McGinn is right to oppose the deep-bore tunnel travesty-fiasco. Grace Crunican deceived Cary Moon and many others about the possibility of a Wide Plaza promenade, disregarding the essential character of a working waterfront. And she misled most everyone to believe the streetcar tracks could run through the middle of it. A simple explanation of how dangerous this would be struck the streetcar line from the project quietly, shhh. You will cheer Mayor McGinn, sooner or later.

  • Wells

    You're the one not making sense, Baker boy. Most Highway Robbery construction workers probably live in the suburbs and can't imagine life without driving everywhere.

  • Wells

    Bravo! “When fascism comes to America, it will be draped in a flag and carrying a cross.”

  • Wells

    BS.

  • oiseaux

    “Then he thought to himself “Oh yeah, they already dislike me. They would have disliked Joe Mallahan as well. They probably would have loved…hmmm…Pam Roach maybe though? Pancakes for breakfast!”

  • tvguide

    Wells, please just answer this one question: Do you seriously believe that McGinn would support your beloved cut and cover plan if the deep bore got nixed? Not a chance, pal. MM might give you an orange vest and some bamboo sticks to beat stalled motorists as part of his pogrom against the evil automobile, but that is about it.

  • SeaCE

    Mr. Wells:
    Are you an engineer? Didn't think so. Neither is Mr. McGinn, who I voted for, BTW. I, however, *am* an engineer (MIT, '01), and the deep-bore tunnel is not an “engineering pile of crap”. It has some work to do yet, specifically related to soils remediation and material spec, but it is much better than the “big dig” was at the same stage. So, before you criticize, maybe go to e-school and know of whence you speak.

  • West Seattle Waiter

    Speaking of high unemployment in Seattle. Guess who I saw at the Unemployment office. I thought you couldn't collect if you resigned your job…….I wonder what his supervisor would say, when Employment Security calls….. I would check that one out guys…. and don't forget to grab those emails……

  • Donolectic

    Heh, we have our very own Truther!

  • Donolectic

    And if we don't, you'll be there to beat us with sticks until we accept the “truth” right?

    Or at least pollute a perfectly good comments page with your unhinged propagandist blather.

  • Donolectic

    *citation needed.

  • Donolectic

    The irony of you saying something like this amuses me.

  • Muddled

    No your BS

  • Wells

    I know you are but am I?

  • Muddled

    Your BS

  • Wells

    Am not, you are!

  • Muddled

    Oh Gawd, your right Wells and I have been blind. I didn't realize the depth of your analysis. Mcginn is a genius! To heck with the deep bore tunnel! I want light rail from Ballard to West Seattle dammit! And light rail on 520! And I want it now!!!!!!!!

  • toomuchtime

    My god… Why haven't you figured out that Wells' comments are written by Mayor Magoo in his spare time. Or maybe on city time…? (HA!HA!HA!)

  • Pat

    Don't blame me I voted for Mallahan!!!!

  • danadb

    McGinn is using his position as Mayor to declare a war on cars. Fundamentally he is going to oppose anything that makes automobile travel easier. Seattle ranks #5 in the US in terms of traffic. McGinn would clearly like to see us at #1. I am not in love with cars or highways either, but his first priorities should be quality of life and economic vitality. Having a beautiful waterfront would enhance both. Making sure that freight mobility is retained is critical to economic vitality. A deep bore tunnel replacement for the viaduct is the only solution that gives us both. Too bad McGinn is too doctrinaire to ever accept this.