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McGinn May Seek New Funding For Bike and Ped Projects, Including “Head Tax”

Mayor Mike McGinn, speaking to a group of reporters at City Hall this afternoon, said he would seek to “hold aside” tax sources such as the commercial parking tax, vehicle-license fees, and a possible transportation benefits district to pay for bike and pedestrian projects and potentially bus service as well. As we reported last month, funding for the city-adopted $240 Bike Master Plan is falling 70 percent short of that goal.

Pointing to hundreds of millions of dollars the city has already committed to contribute to projects like two-way Mercer, Alaskan Way Viaduct replacement, and the waterfront seawall, McGinn said, “My fear is that the taxing sources we have available for the bike and pedestrian plans, which could be a vehicle license fee or commercial parking tax, will be soaked up by” those big projects, McGinn said. “We need to to hold those aside from Mercer West and the seawall for moving toward financing bike and pedestrian improvements.”

McGinn pointed to the need for bike and pedestrian funding as one reason he proposed a $241 million bonding measure to pay for seawall replacement. He said new funding could potentially be used to pay for new bus service, such as replacing the 42 bus, which was eliminated for light rail, in Southeast Seattle.

McGinn also said he’d be open to revisiting the so-called “head tax,” which was repealed by the council last year. “I absolutely think the head tax should be in the mix, and we’ll convey that to the council,” McGinn said. “We’ll propose it, but they voted last year 9-0 to get rid of it, so I’m not confident they’ll reverse position.”




  • West Seattle Waiter

    Wear a suit and look a little professional. This idea man who has no realistic plans to implement his “ideas.” Saying you want to return the head tax after a 9-0 vote removed it, saying that McGinn doesn't do a good job of counting votes.

  • West Seattle Waiter

    Wear a suit and look a little professional. This idea man who has no realistic plans to implement his “ideas.” Saying you want to return the head tax after a 9-0 vote removed it, saying that McGinn doesn't do a good job of counting votes.

  • http://michaelmaddux.blogspot.com/ Michael M.

    The bike plan is only $240? Hell, if I write a check to cover the 70% difference, will Publicola sponsor my softball team? ;-)

    But, back to serious-land; why waste time proposing something that is not only stupid, but will fail? How about spending time coming up with different ways to increase revenue, or streamline city services to allow for full funding of the bike/ped plan?

  • http://michaelmaddux.blogspot.com/ Michael M.

    The bike plan is only $240? Hell, if I write a check to cover the 70% difference, will Publicola sponsor my softball team? ;-)

    But, back to serious-land; why waste time proposing something that is not only stupid, but will fail? How about spending time coming up with different ways to increase revenue, or streamline city services to allow for full funding of the bike/ped plan?

  • Stacy

    Every member of the Council claims to support increased funding for the BMP and the PMP; McGinn's giving them a golden opportunity to walk their talk.

  • Stacy

    Every member of the Council claims to support increased funding for the BMP and the PMP; McGinn's giving them a golden opportunity to walk their talk.

  • Guest

    It does not sound like McGinn really expects the Head Tax to be reinstated. But, thank god for the fact that he has backbone on this issue. Everyone else caved under election year pressure from DSA and the GSCC.

    People across the city want the Pedestrian Master Plan and Bicycle Master Plan funded. Council knows this. We just need someone to take the lead and make it happen. Nice job McGinn.

  • insidesomebaseball

    It does not sound like McGinn really expects the Head Tax to be reinstated. But, thank god for the fact that he has backbone on this issue. Everyone else caved under election year pressure from DSA and the GSCC.

    People across the city want the Pedestrian Master Plan and Bicycle Master Plan funded. Council knows this. We just need someone to take the lead and make it happen. Nice job McGinn.

  • Guest

    Agreed, Stacy. And last year when the Head Tax was overturned, a few enlightened councilmembers (Burgess, Conlin and Licata) committed to find a way to fund the PMP and BMP in 2010. It would be a huge coupe for Seattle (and the politicians who support it) if this actually happens.

  • insidesomebaseball

    Agreed, Stacy. And last year when the Head Tax was overturned, a few enlightened councilmembers (Burgess, Conlin and Licata) committed to find a way to fund the PMP and BMP in 2010. It would be a huge coupe for Seattle (and the politicians who support it) if this actually happens.

  • kurisu

    Both true- when they took the vote to repeal the head tax they made the commitment to find another revenue source. They need to be held to that commitment.

  • Ballardwatch

    Both true- when they took the vote to repeal the head tax they made the commitment to find another revenue source. They need to be held to that commitment.

  • Tangent

    How about funding these improvements via a sales tax on bike-related purchases in Seattle. This is similar to what many states do to support resource developments, hunting fishing etc. Having a dedicated funding stream could also go for things like secure bike lockers for the bicycle commuters to use. Paying to keep your bike in these lockers would create profits that could then be funneled back into capital development costs for bike lanes or whatever McBike wants. Yes, I know I'm dreaming.

    The commercial parking tax, which is already at 10% should go to pay for the big ticket items, not items that are used by a relatively small proportion of the total commuting population.

  • xtevex

    How about funding these improvements via a sales tax on bike-related purchases in Seattle. This is similar to what many states do to support resource developments, hunting fishing etc. Having a dedicated funding stream could also go for things like secure bike lockers for the bicycle commuters to use. Paying to keep your bike in these lockers would create profits that could then be funneled back into capital development costs for bike lanes or whatever McBike wants. Yes, I know I'm dreaming.

    The commercial parking tax, which is already at 10% should go to pay for the big ticket items, not items that are used by a relatively small proportion of the total commuting population.

  • giffy

    Classic McGinn. Be vague, offer no concrete ideas, then ask others to do his job for him.

    How about putting forward an actual policy option. You know, with real numbers, defined revenue sources, and then build support on the council for it. I think a lot of people in Seattle, my self included, would be happy to pay the about $32 bucks a year per resident that it would take to fully fund the plan. I can't stand riding a bike myself, but I think its a great choice for those that like it and something the city should support.

    But good god, you actually have to try and put something forward, not just brainstorm all the time.

  • giffy

    Classic McGinn. Be vague, offer no concrete ideas, then ask others to do his job for him.

    How about putting forward an actual policy option. You know, with real numbers, defined revenue sources, and then build support on the council for it. I think a lot of people in Seattle, my self included, would be happy to pay the about $32 bucks a year per resident that it would take to fully fund the plan. I can't stand riding a bike myself, but I think its a great choice for those that like it and something the city should support.

    But good god, you actually have to try and put something forward, not just brainstorm all the time.

  • Edog

    Wait so the seawall is such an emergency that he can afford to divert resources way from it? Please someone explain this to me? Did he just say he proposed the bonding measure, so he'd have money for other projects? Cause if thats what he said, the Seawall is not the emergency he claims it is.

  • Edog

    Wait so the seawall is such an emergency that he can afford to divert resources way from it? Please someone explain this to me? Did he just say he proposed the bonding measure, so he'd have money for other projects? Cause if thats what he said, the Seawall is not the emergency he claims it is.

  • sa

    Publicola has been noticeably silent on new Transportation Director Peter Hahn since his appointment.

    It would be great to read some analysis or an interview with him.

  • sa

    Publicola has been noticeably silent on new Transportation Director Peter Hahn since his appointment.

    It would be great to read some analysis or an interview with him.

  • JWReal

    He said he wants to pay for the seawall with a bond issue in order to free up other revenue sources for the bike and ped plans. Sounds like a good idea to me. It certainly isn't inconsistent with the idea that the seawall issue is a looming emergency.

  • JW

    He said he wants to pay for the seawall with a bond issue in order to free up other revenue sources for the bike and ped plans. Sounds like a good idea to me. It certainly isn't inconsistent with the idea that the seawall issue is a looming emergency.

  • ratcityreprobate

    When Frank Blethen demanded that the Council repeal the Head Tax, Conlin and Burgess fell over themselves to comply. You are way to optimistic to think they will do anything.

  • ratcityreprobate

    When Frank Blethen demanded that the Council repeal the Head Tax, Conlin and Burgess fell over themselves to comply. You are way to optimistic to think they will do anything.

  • hmmmm

    How about paying for part of the South Park Bridge replacement with a bond issue, instead of using that political capital to (fail to) scuttle the tunnel project? After all, it was McGinn who was kissing babies on the south end during the campaign, claiming he supported this issue. Now that the Fed is giving the stimulus money to his buddy Paul Allen's interests in SLU, maybe McGinn could walk his talk.

  • hmmmm

    How about paying for part of the South Park Bridge replacement with a bond issue, instead of using that political capital to (fail to) scuttle the tunnel project? After all, it was McGinn who was kissing babies on the south end during the campaign, claiming he supported this issue. Now that the Fed is giving the stimulus money to his buddy Paul Allen's interests in SLU, maybe McGinn could walk his talk.

  • joshuadf

    Mercer West, by the way, is the completely unfunded second phase that would replace the Aurora/Mercer/Broad overpass. Last year Grace Crunican said it was estimated at $100m and a “portion of the money the city has committed to spending as the viaduct is replaced will go toward Mercer West.”

    http://crosscut.com/2009/09/21/transportation/1…

  • joshuadf

    Mercer West, by the way, is the completely unfunded second phase that would replace the Aurora/Mercer/Broad overpass. Last year Grace Crunican said it was estimated at $100m and a “portion of the money the city has committed to spending as the viaduct is replaced will go toward Mercer West.”

    http://crosscut.com/2009/09/21/transportation/1…

  • JB

    Hey McGinn — Have you driven on the streets of Seattle lately? They are in pretty bad condition. How about fixing the streets first before you start implementing your grand vision of making Seattle the model city for the Sierra Club?

  • JB

    Hey McGinn — Have you driven on the streets of Seattle lately? They are in pretty bad condition. How about fixing the streets first before you start implementing your grand vision of making Seattle the model city for the Sierra Club?

  • http://michaelmaddux.blogspot.com/ Michael M.

    Just read at the PI he stated that he thinks the 520 hasn't been discussed enough…13 years, not enough discussion, should continue to be discussed. I understand that the west side of the A+ option sucks, and that some believe the new bridge should be prepared for light rail (I prefer BRT for across 520).

    The reason I think the City Council is handling the 520 issue better – they are perfectly fine with allowing construction to begin on the east side of the bridge, which is smart. No need to hold up bidding and the creation of jobs because 13 years isn't enough time for Seattle to figure something out.

  • http://michaelmaddux.blogspot.com/ Michael M.

    Just read at the PI he stated that he thinks the 520 hasn't been discussed enough…13 years, not enough discussion, should continue to be discussed. I understand that the west side of the A+ option sucks, and that some believe the new bridge should be prepared for light rail (I prefer BRT for across 520).

    The reason I think the City Council is handling the 520 issue better – they are perfectly fine with allowing construction to begin on the east side of the bridge, which is smart. No need to hold up bidding and the creation of jobs because 13 years isn't enough time for Seattle to figure something out.

  • TrulySad

    I find it strange that the city council and mayor will be dueling which tax
    increase will win the day with the voters. How about making some cuts
    and balancing the real budget, instead? But alas, this will never happen
    since we have an election in 2011 and acting like grown ups is just too
    hard. Pathetic.

  • TrulySad

    I find it strange that the city council and mayor will be dueling which tax
    increase will win the day with the voters. How about making some cuts
    and balancing the real budget, instead? But alas, this will never happen
    since we have an election in 2011 and acting like grown ups is just too
    hard. Pathetic.

  • ratcityreprobate

    South Park Bridge isn't in the City of Seattle. Jan Drago and most of the County Council were in DC lobbying for the federal money…big fail apparently

  • ratcityreprobate

    South Park Bridge isn't in the City of Seattle. Jan Drago and most of the County Council were in DC lobbying for the federal money…big fail apparently

  • ivan

    South Park, however, IS in the city of Seattle.

  • ivan

    South Park, however, IS in the city of Seattle.

  • Brent

    Let's take that further. Let's tax wheelchairs to pay for curb cuts. Let's tax those who can't prove ownership of a car to pay for the sidewalks. Let's tax just families with children to pay for schools.

    Makes sense to me.

  • Brent

    Let's take that further. Let's tax wheelchairs to pay for curb cuts. Let's tax those who can't prove ownership of a car to pay for the sidewalks. Let's tax just families with children to pay for schools.

    Makes sense to me.

  • ratcityreprobate

    Sure, lets exacerbate our own financial problems by taking care of the Counties failed maintenance problems. That sounds like something the Conlin and Burgess could get behind.

  • ratcityreprobate

    Sure, lets exacerbate our own financial problems by taking care of the Counties failed maintenance problems. That sounds like something the Conlin and Burgess could get behind.

  • Brent

    Could someone explain why the #42 bus route is worth saving?

    I know just one organization that wants it, so some of its clients can have a 1-seat bus ride from the International District to right in front of the organization's office, rather than walking over to International District Station, taking the light rail, and then walking a half mile south on MLK to the office, or catch any bus going south coming every 15 minutes or more often than that.

    Like the 194, the service has been essentially duplicated by light rail, and is now faster because of frequency, but does involve a small amount of walking. We need more bus service where it *isn't* duplicated by light rail.

  • Brent

    Could someone explain why the #42 bus route is worth saving?

    I know just one organization that wants it, so some of its clients can have a 1-seat bus ride from the International District to right in front of the organization's office, rather than walking over to International District Station, taking the light rail, and then walking a half mile south on MLK to the office, or catch any bus going south coming every 15 minutes or more often than that.

    Like the 194, the service has been essentially duplicated by light rail, and is now faster because of frequency, but does involve a small amount of walking. We need more bus service where it *isn't* duplicated by light rail.

  • ratcityreprobate

    Tell it to Nickels and the City Council, they are the ones who diverted the pot hole bond money to Mercer Street to make Mr Allen happy.

  • ratcityreprobate

    Tell it to Nickels and the City Council, they are the ones who diverted the pot hole bond money to Mercer Street to make Mr Allen happy.

  • morning fizzy

    What a bunch of jerks – they want a one seat ride instead of “walking over to International District Station, taking the light rail, and then walking a half mile south on MLK to the office, or catch any bus going south coming every 15 minutes or more often than that”

    Light rail is not as good or fast as the 194 – the 194 actually took one to the airport not 1/3 of a mile away. Having a station 1/2 mile from the destination is not duplicating a bus stop on the block. For the disabled, elderly or with children 1/2 mile is not always a reasonable option.

  • morning fizzy

    What a bunch of jerks – they want a one seat ride instead of “walking over to International District Station, taking the light rail, and then walking a half mile south on MLK to the office, or catch any bus going south coming every 15 minutes or more often than that”

    Light rail is not as good or fast as the 194 – the 194 actually took one to the airport not 1/3 of a mile away. Having a station 1/2 mile from the destination is not duplicating a bus stop on the block. For the disabled, elderly or with children 1/2 mile is not always a reasonable option.

  • johnmocha

    How about spending that $240M on more cops so I don't have to worry about getting jumped by punks when I'm biking or when I'm using light rail. Biking is great but this price tag is crazy. I'm sorry but cut this in the current economic climate.

  • johnmocha

    How about spending that $240M on more cops so I don't have to worry about getting jumped by punks when I'm biking or when I'm using light rail. Biking is great but this price tag is crazy. I'm sorry but cut this in the current economic climate.

  • Good_Grief

    Actually, the walk all depends on which airline you are going to. It was quite the trek from the bus stop if you were headed to D or N gates. While the Link stop is not nearly as convenient as the ones in Portland or Atlanta, it seems better than a lot as well — Chicago and Boson come to mind.

  • Good_Grief

    Actually, the walk all depends on which airline you are going to. It was quite the trek from the bus stop if you were headed to D or N gates. While the Link stop is not nearly as convenient as the ones in Portland or Atlanta, it seems better than a lot as well — Chicago and Boson come to mind.

  • morning fizzy

    Wasn't comparing to other rail systems but rather to the bus that actually existed here. I used the 194 mainly coming back from trips. Did the 194 and dioes the 174 only drop people off at the south end of the airport?

    My main point was that telling people they need to give up their bus that serves them well because light rail is better when it isn't is bull. People that criticized the LR plan said that routes that gave many superior service to the rail would be canceled to enhance LR ridership were obviously correct.

    “Could someone explain why the #42 bus route is worth saving?

    I know just one organization that wants it, so some of its clients can have a 1-seat bus ride from the International District to right in front of the organization's office…” So now an organization is needed to preserve a bus line.

  • morning fizzy

    Wasn't comparing to other rail systems but rather to the bus that actually existed here. I used the 194 mainly coming back from trips. Did the 194 and dioes the 174 only drop people off at the south end of the airport?

    My main point was that telling people they need to give up their bus that serves them well because light rail is better when it isn't is bull. People that criticized the LR plan said that routes that gave many superior service to the rail would be canceled to enhance LR ridership were obviously correct.

    “Could someone explain why the #42 bus route is worth saving?

    I know just one organization that wants it, so some of its clients can have a 1-seat bus ride from the International District to right in front of the organization's office…” So now an organization is needed to preserve a bus line.

  • dltooley

    @XTevex-

    That's a good idea, I'm a whitewater paddler and there are a few Fish and Wildlife facilities that we like to use, not many, but a few. It would be great to have a small pool of money to do sport related improvements.

    With bikes though I wouldn't limit it there. The State spends some money on safe routes to school and that can help develop a bike network. Often times adding a bike path to a road or utility project is a smart move, also providing maintenance access at very little marginal cost and even long term savings.

    Parks and recreation funding is a source, as too can be enlightened private ownership, both commercial and residential.

  • dltooley

    @XTevex-

    That's a good idea, I'm a whitewater paddler and there are a few Fish and Wildlife facilities that we like to use, not many, but a few. It would be great to have a small pool of money to do sport related improvements.

    With bikes though I wouldn't limit it there. The State spends some money on safe routes to school and that can help develop a bike network. Often times adding a bike path to a road or utility project is a smart move, also providing maintenance access at very little marginal cost and even long term savings.

    Parks and recreation funding is a source, as too can be enlightened private ownership, both commercial and residential.

  • morning fizzy

    I would prefer a bike license fee. I'd like to see the city check for front and rear lights and do a basic safety check before allowing the license.

    How many bikers are there on city streets? 20,000 would raise $500,000 at $25 per license.

    I would also dedicate 50% of all bicycle traffic ticket revenue to bike and pedestrian improvements.

  • morning fizzy

    I would prefer a bike license fee. I'd like to see the city check for front and rear lights and do a basic safety check before allowing the license.

    How many bikers are there on city streets? 20,000 would raise $500,000 at $25 per license.

    I would also dedicate 50% of all bicycle traffic ticket revenue to bike and pedestrian improvements.

  • Brent

    So, which other bus routes should be scavenged so that you can get a direct ride from your front door to downtown? Or are you willing to pay more taxes to get your direct ride?

  • Brent

    So, which other bus routes should be scavenged so that you can get a direct ride from your front door to downtown? Or are you willing to pay more taxes to get your direct ride?

  • Brent

    The city council should be ashamed for signing a blank check for car tunnel costs, especially when they know the voters are against that tunnel.

  • Brent

    The city council should be ashamed for signing a blank check for car tunnel costs, especially when they know the voters are against that tunnel.

  • morning fizzy

    Brent what the hell do you mean by “which other bus routes should be scavenged” ? I would very much like to keep the bus that has been running for over fifty years that I take downtown. I will be pissed if they cut it when light rail comes to within 3/4 of a mile and people like you say “be happy with an extra half hour and 3/4 mile walk” – why should I have to pay higher taxes? WTF is your problem?

  • morning fizzy

    Brent what the hell do you mean by “which other bus routes should be scavenged” ? I would very much like to keep the bus that has been running for over fifty years that I take downtown. I will be pissed if they cut it when light rail comes to within 3/4 of a mile and people like you say “be happy with an extra half hour and 3/4 mile walk” – why should I have to pay higher taxes? WTF is your problem?

  • ratcityreprobate

    I agree with you, but don't be too surprised if it happens. Nickels had Metro scavenge bus routes in SE Seattle to fund the operating losses of SLUT. That is why the proposed circulating buses to serve the light rail line on MLK were abandoned.

  • ratcityreprobate

    I agree with you, but don't be too surprised if it happens. Nickels had Metro scavenge bus routes in SE Seattle to fund the operating losses of SLUT. That is why the proposed circulating buses to serve the light rail line on MLK were abandoned.

  • Tangent

    You have a problem with user fees? It's a very simple concept, really.

    The basic premise is that if you don't own a bike or buy things associated with bikes, you don't have to pay into this.

    Unless of course you're just a Seattle whiner who demands that everyone else subsidize your lifestyle. Certainly plenty of those folks in town.

  • xtevex

    You have a problem with user fees? It's a very simple concept, really.

    The basic premise is that if you don't own a bike or buy things associated with bikes, you don't have to pay into this.

    Unless of course you're just a Seattle whiner who demands that everyone else subsidize your lifestyle. Certainly plenty of those folks in town.

  • Brent

    Renndawg/Fizzy,

    It wasn't my idea to make the 574 only come every half hour. If it were to come every 10 minutes (which I bet it will within a year or so), your average wait time will be about 7 minutes total (574 + Link), instead of 15 minutes or more average time waiting for the 194, plus stuck-in-traffic time. The 574 lost out to the increase in runs on the 577, due to the Federal Way lobby for direct rides downtown. So, your wait time increased because another one-seat-ride group got their way, at double-expense to the taxpayers. Karma, perhaps?

  • Brent

    Renndawg/Fizzy,

    It wasn't my idea to make the 574 only come every half hour. If it were to come every 10 minutes (which I bet it will within a year or so), your average wait time will be about 7 minutes total (574 + Link), instead of 15 minutes or more average time waiting for the 194, plus stuck-in-traffic time. The 574 lost out to the increase in runs on the 577, due to the Federal Way lobby for direct rides downtown. So, your wait time increased because another one-seat-ride group got their way, at double-expense to the taxpayers. Karma, perhaps?

  • http://twitter.com/gregSea gregSea

    I'll vote for user fees for bikes right after you start paying the full cost of your auto-centric “lifestyle”, xtevex. Cyclists already subsidize drivers – look it up if you don't believe me. Adding additional user fees to cyclists would just make the system even more skewed toward drivers.

    Which, of course, is what you want even if you're not willing to just come out and say it :-)

  • http://twitter.com/gregSea gregSea

    Hey, how about we make a deal – let's agree to a tax structure that makes it so both cyclists and drivers pay for the full costs of each of their lifestyles, xtevex.

    Problem is that cyclists already subsidize drivers – look it up if you don't believe me. Adding additional user fees to cyclists would just make the system even more skewed toward drivers. A fair system would tax drivers more, not cyclists :-)

  • http://twitter.com/gregSea gregSea

    Why do you want to discourage cyclists from saving you money mf? Try taxing things that cost more than they save and encouraging things that save us money. Works a lot better…

  • http://twitter.com/gregSea gregSea

    Why do you want to discourage cyclists from saving you money mf? Try taxing things that cost more than they save and encouraging things that save us money. Works a lot better…

  • http://twitter.com/gregSea gregSea

    Hey JB – pause for a moment and think about how much road wear and tear a bike causes. Now ponder whether getting folks to switch from driving to biking might be part of the answer of getting that street maint backlog under control.

  • http://twitter.com/gregSea gregSea

    Hey JB – how much road wear and tear do you think a bike causes? Ever looked at those year markers on downtown sidewalks? You know the ones indicating that they were laid down decades ago and still work pretty well? Hmm, maybe that means pedestrians don't cause much wear and tear either?

    Could there be a lesson there somewhere?

  • Tangent

    Cyclists don't directly subsidize drivers in any way other than fuel taxes and licensing taxes they pay on their cars. Bikers currently aren't charged a nickel by local gov't to ride/purchase anything having to do with bicycles. I don't see how they subsidize driving at all …. other than fuel taxes/licensing on their cars, I won't look it up, do your own citations.

    All I'm saying is, put a sales tax on those items that goes directly to benefit the bike community and can't be dumped into the general fund or siphoned off to plug budget holes. So bike community, put your money where your mouth is … if the hunters, fishers, and national park enjoyers can do it, so can you. Then you don't have to worry about whatever ham handed solution City Hall will try to impose.

  • xtevex

    Cyclists don't directly subsidize drivers in any way other than fuel taxes and licensing taxes they pay on their cars. Bikers currently aren't charged a nickel by local gov't to ride/purchase anything having to do with bicycles. I don't see how they subsidize driving at all …. other than fuel taxes/licensing on their cars, I won't look it up, do your own citations.

    All I'm saying is, put a sales tax on those items that goes directly to benefit the bike community and can't be dumped into the general fund or siphoned off to plug budget holes. So bike community, put your money where your mouth is … if the hunters, fishers, and national park enjoyers can do it, so can you. Then you don't have to worry about whatever ham handed solution City Hall will try to impose.

  • http://hans.gerwitz.com hans.gerwitz

    I don't own a car. Are you asserting that I am in no way subsidizing our automotive infrastructure?

  • http://hans.gerwitz.com hans.gerwitz

    I don't own a car. Are you asserting that I am in no way subsidizing our automotive infrastructure?

  • http://hans.gerwitz.com hans.gerwitz

    I believe Jonathan Maus has expressed an appropriate [p]reaction to this line of thought:
    “I'd happily pay to license my bike if it came with everything I get with my car (fullly connected network, respect in law, etc…).”
    http://twitter.com/BikePortland/status/9346561579

  • http://hans.gerwitz.com hans.gerwitz

    I believe Jonathan Maus has expressed an appropriate [p]reaction to this line of thought:
    “I'd happily pay to license my bike if it came with everything I get with my car (fullly connected network, respect in law, etc…).”
    http://twitter.com/BikePortland/status/9346561579

  • kurisu

    90% of local roads are paid for from sales and property tax. People pay those taxes whether they drive or not.

  • kurisu

    90% of local roads are paid for from sales and property tax. People pay those taxes whether they drive or not.

  • kurisu

    I-5 is also in the city of Seattle and needs $2billion repaving. It would be pretty stupid to suggest that Seattle pay for that, or Federal Way, or Fife.

  • kurisu

    I-5 is also in the city of Seattle and needs $2billion repaving. It would be pretty stupid to suggest that Seattle pay for that, or Federal Way, or Fife.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Half of Seattle should move to Richland, WA. Low density = better lifestyle.

  • http://spifflines.blogspot.com/ John Bailo

    Half of Seattle should move to Richland, WA. Low density = better lifestyle.