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City Employees Decry Proposed Job Cuts

In a packed conference room on the 40th floor of the Seattle Municipal Tower this morning, dozens of city employees, most of them classified as strategic advisors and managers, spoke against Mayor Mike McGinn’s proposal to target their job titles for cuts and strongly suggested that they might file a civil-rights complaint against the administration.

During his campaign, McGinn promised repeatedly that if elected, he would cut hundreds of “political appointees” added by his predecessor Greg Nickels—strategic advisors and “senior management” who owe their jobs to political patronage. The claim, a staple of McGinn’s stump speech, was a red-meat line for the fiscal-conservative wing of his supporters.

The problem, as the testimony at this morning’s meeting laid plain, is that most of the folks McGinn is targeting aren’t political appointees at all. In fact, the majority of those who spoke this morning have been at the city for many years or decades. And many were elevated to their current positions after taking on new responsibilities, or, ironically, as a way of saving money—because strategic advisors are management, they aren’t paid overtime for working extra hours.

“I am not a political appointee. I would assume that most people in this room are not,” said Sandi Fukumoto, a strategic advisor at City Light. “We competed for our positions, and  the positions went to most qualified candidates.” She added: “We are the only [job] classification that to sit down and write in 100 words or less why we’re important to the city,” one of the mandates of McGinn’s executive orders that other employees later called “embarrassing.”

“This is targeted, this is disparate, and this is based entirely on a political position [McGinn took] during his campaign.”

One worker who spoke had started out at City Light as an apprentice 30 years ago and worked his way up to management; another, Seattle Public Utilities economist Jenny Bagby, has been at the city since 1984 and just got reclassified as a strategic advisor a couple of months ago. “Whoopee,” she deadpanned.

Other employees said they were worried about retaliation from McGinn for supporting one of his opponents, then-incumbent mayor Greg Nickels, in the primary election. Noting that McGinn highlighted contributions to Nickels from city employees on his campaign web site, they said they worried he would cut their jobs for political reasons.

“My concern about that is the chill that that spreads about participating in campaigns even on our personal time,” said Barbara Lewy, a financial manager in the human services department

Lewy noted that, on his campaign web site, McGinn listed former HSD director Alan Painter as one of the top city contributors to Nickels, “and he was the first department head to be terminated. So I have concerns that this [job reduction] is politically motivated.”

Several employees expressed concerns that McGinn’s proposal for cuts had already led to a decline in productivity in departments like Seattle Public Utilities and City Light; others, like a City Light compliance officer charged with ensuring the city complies with federal energy rules, noted that their jobs actually saved the city money. Still others noted that cutting positions that are funded by utility rates does nothing to accomplish McGinn’s stated goal of closing a $50 million gap in the city’s general fund, a problem we’ve written about before.

Finally, several managers pointed to the fact that the majority of senior city staffers are older than 40, a class of workers protected by city and federal anti-discrimination laws. Julie Nelson, head of the city’s Office of Civil Rights, told the employees that they were free to file a complaint with either her office or the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission; by the end of the meeting, a sign-up sheet for those interested in filing a civil-rights complaint ran to several pages.

Although the mayor was invited to attend or åsend a representative, no one from the mayor’s office showed up at the meeting. Mayoral spokesman Mark Matassa has not yet returned a call asking why the mayor’s office did not attend. Civil Service Commission Executive Director Glenda Graham-Walton said the commission would send a tape of the meeting to both Mark McDermott, head of human resources at the city, and Mayor McGinn’s office.




  • http://twitter.com/fattailed fattailed

    of course every manager worked their way up to the position. Every boss I've ever had certainly deserved the job and is utterly irreplaceable.

    But what's the news in people attending a meeting to keep their jobs? Who wouldn't speak out in their own defense?

    I would love to hear what lower-ranking employees think. There's yur story.

  • http://twitter.com/fattailed fattailed

    of course every manager worked their way up to the position. Every boss I've ever had certainly deserved the job and is utterly irreplaceable.

    But what's the news in people attending a meeting to keep their jobs? Who wouldn't speak out in their own defense?

    I would love to hear what lower-ranking employees think. There's yur story.

  • morning fizzy

    Fattailed, the answer is just to cut services. I'm guessing most of the workers keeping the park open are line workers.

    Many Seattle Parks and Recreation facilities will be closed Friday, while staff takes a furlough day.

    City of Seattle employees are taking 10 days off without pay in 2010 to help fill the budget gap.

    These facilities and services are closed on Friday.

    • Grounds maintenance

    • Community centers (except child care and late night programs, which will still operate).

    *• Swimming pools

    • Environmental learning centers

    • Langston Hughes Performing Arts Center

  • morning fizzy

    Fattailed, the answer is just to cut services. I'm guessing most of the workers keeping the park open are line workers.

    Many Seattle Parks and Recreation facilities will be closed Friday, while staff takes a furlough day.

    City of Seattle employees are taking 10 days off without pay in 2010 to help fill the budget gap.

    These facilities and services are closed on Friday.

    • Grounds maintenance

    • Community centers (except child care and late night programs, which will still operate).

    *• Swimming pools

    • Environmental learning centers

    • Langston Hughes Performing Arts Center

  • misha

    It looks like most of these workers are also women – another class that McGinn has been trying to eliminate in the city. He hasn't appointed one new woman as a department head and has fired several. His senior mayoral staff is 90% men (89% after Bushnell resigned).

    I just looked it up and Alan Painter donated $625 to the Nickels campaign and was the first one fired. His replacement, retiree Kip Tokuda, donated $200 to the McGinn campaign. He's now making $125,000/year.

    McGinn is up to some really fishy business. There are some huge stories there if you keep digging.

  • misha

    It looks like most of these workers are also women – another class that McGinn has been trying to eliminate in the city. He hasn't appointed one new woman as a department head and has fired several. His senior mayoral staff is 90% men (89% after Bushnell resigned).

    I just looked it up and Alan Painter donated $625 to the Nickels campaign and was the first one fired. His replacement, retiree Kip Tokuda, donated $200 to the McGinn campaign. He's now making $125,000/year.

    McGinn is up to some really fishy business. There are some huge stories there if you keep digging.

  • Concerned Seattle

    I think you are missing the point. Not sure how this solves the overall budget problem and even sets up any kind of winning solution for us as Seattle residents. Also, it doesn't seem that Fibber McGinn is once again telling us whole story … but then again that would require that he look to understand the problem first.

  • Concerned Seattle

    I think you are missing the point. Not sure how this solves the overall budget problem and even sets up any kind of winning solution for us as Seattle residents. Also, it doesn't seem that Fibber McGinn is once again telling us whole story … but then again that would require that he look to understand the problem first.

  • jimcavanaugh

    Mayor McGinn,
    Get rid of these people as soon as possible. They're cancers on the Seattle body politic.

  • jimcavanaugh

    Mayor McGinn,
    Get rid of these people as soon as possible. They're cancers on the Seattle body politic.

  • morning fizzy

    Hmmmm thought the new head of budget Beth Goldberg was a female.

    So when an at will employee gives near the max to his boss to keep his job he can then can use that contribution as a reason the new mayor can't fire him. Win-win.

    I'm all for city funded campaigns but that's ridiculous.

  • morning fizzy

    Hmmmm thought the new head of budget Beth Goldberg was a female.

    So when an at will employee gives near the max to his boss to keep his job he can then can use that contribution as a reason the new mayor can't fire him. Win-win.

    I'm all for city funded campaigns but that's ridiculous.

  • morning fizzy

    I thought Bushnell claimed he was a female.

  • morning fizzy

    I thought Bushnell claimed he was a female.

  • Soapboxin'

    I hope you lose your job, too. If you already have, I hope you never get another one. How does that feel?

  • soapboxin

    I hope you lose your job, too. If you already have, I hope you never get another one. How does that feel?

  • Soapboxin'

    The key here is not to make short-sighted or poorly-motivated budgeting decisions. Obviously cuts are needed. Obviously, both personnel and services will be cut.
    -
    I spoke with a union shop steward from Seattle City Light at a Super Bowl party. I asked her why some union members make so much money from overtime. She said it was because they killed the apprentice program during a previous budget crunch. They are now understaffed and line workers are forced to do more. People complained at the time that this would ultimately cost the city more money. It appears they were right.
    -
    Let's learn from the past, instead of making the same bad decisions over again.

  • soapboxin

    The key here is not to make short-sighted or poorly-motivated budgeting decisions. Obviously cuts are needed. Obviously, both personnel and services will be cut.
    -
    I spoke with a union shop steward from Seattle City Light at a Super Bowl party. I asked her why some union members make so much money from overtime. She said it was because they killed the apprentice program during a previous budget crunch. They are now understaffed and line workers are forced to do more. People complained at the time that this would ultimately cost the city more money. It appears they were right.
    -
    Let's learn from the past, instead of making the same bad decisions over again.

  • morning fizzy

    How about we cut consultants – particularly those that do public outreach. The city should do their own and that way more city workers could keep their jobs.

  • morning fizzy

    How about we cut consultants – particularly those that do public outreach. The city should do their own and that way more city workers could keep their jobs.

  • misha

    You're right, my mistake. I didn't know that was a city department head position, but I guess she was made acting director of the department of finance.

  • misha

    You're right, my mistake. I didn't know that was a city department head position, but I guess she was made acting director of the department of finance.

  • Soapboxin’

    1. Identify any deadwood employees and make a case for firing them outright, instead of letting hard working employees under them get bumped.
    -
    2. Identify the lowest priority programs/services/projects/etc. and cut them – wholly or partially.
    -
    3. Look at all city programs and make them as lean as possible without killing them/overtaxing leftover staff/forcing the city to hire consultants/etc.

  • Michael W.

    I'm actually shocked that no one from the Mayor's office attended this. That would have been the right thing to do.

  • Michael W.

    I'm actually shocked that no one from the Mayor's office attended this. That would have been the right thing to do.

  • john

    Don't blame me…I voted for Mallahan. Somebody should look into Harbor Hroperties connection to McGinn and the variances they are going to need for their West Seattle project. Th e head of Harbor Properties personally slandered Mallahan during the campaign.

  • john

    Don't blame me…I voted for Mallahan. Somebody should look into Harbor Hroperties connection to McGinn and the variances they are going to need for their West Seattle project. Th e head of Harbor Properties personally slandered Mallahan during the campaign.

  • john

    Parking variances in particular…..Harbor Properties West Seattle project McGinn …heads up neighborhood.

  • john

    Parking variances in particular…..Harbor Properties West Seattle project McGinn …heads up neighborhood.

  • Recall McGinn

    of course noone from the Mayor's office attended, they are too busy cowering under their desks waiting for the seawall to crumble. I will be suprised if McGinn makes it through a full term as mayor before a scandal, recall, or bervous breakdown get to him first.

  • Recall McGinn

    of course noone from the Mayor's office attended, they are too busy cowering under their desks waiting for the seawall to crumble. I will be suprised if McGinn makes it through a full term as mayor before a scandal, recall, or bervous breakdown get to him first.

  • spouse

    Cavanaugh you sound like you understand what's going on as well as Mcquinn. Moron.
    My wife put Seattle on the map with Curb Side Recycling and worked 10 years classified to a position lower than what she was actually doing. Five months ago she got reclassified so she could get recognized and paid for what she was worth. Now threatened with firing after 24 years. This is total B.S. and being made without a thought to what these people do. They are not Union, and they are not Political Appointees. But they are being fired to satisfy some moron's political agenda.

  • spouse

    Cavanaugh you sound like you understand what's going on as well as Mcquinn. Moron.
    My wife put Seattle on the map with Curb Side Recycling and worked 10 years classified to a position lower than what she was actually doing. Five months ago she got reclassified so she could get recognized and paid for what she was worth. Now threatened with firing after 24 years. This is total B.S. and being made without a thought to what these people do. They are not Union, and they are not Political Appointees. But they are being fired to satisfy some moron's political agenda.

  • sa

    I'll bet if you could check, the IP addresses from people commenting here on this story, that 9 out of 10 would be from City Hall

  • sa

    I'll bet if you could check, the IP addresses from people commenting here on this story, that 9 out of 10 would be from City Hall

  • morning fizzy

    Please, put Seattle on the map with curb side recycling. I'm sure your wife worked hard but this is the kind of statement that doesn't help city workers. Recycling is a good thing, I've been doing it for decades even before Seattle put the private recycles out of business, but Seattle wasn't in any meaningful way vaulted to fame by it.

    McGinn, and I'm not a cheerleader, didn't say fire all the SAs he said that because of the budget shortfall we needed reduce payroll and he wanted 200 of the cuts to come from upper management. The letter was sent by Goldberg and instructed the departments to make their own picks.

  • morning fizzy

    Please, put Seattle on the map with curb side recycling. I'm sure your wife worked hard but this is the kind of statement that doesn't help city workers. Recycling is a good thing, I've been doing it for decades even before Seattle put the private recycles out of business, but Seattle wasn't in any meaningful way vaulted to fame by it.

    McGinn, and I'm not a cheerleader, didn't say fire all the SAs he said that because of the budget shortfall we needed reduce payroll and he wanted 200 of the cuts to come from upper management. The letter was sent by Goldberg and instructed the departments to make their own picks.

  • Mickymse

    Wait a sec', Erica, didn't YOU make a point of detailing how many city employees were giving to Nickels in the campaign? But now it's bad that McGinn mentioned it on his website?

    And how are there ANY grounds for a civil rights complaint? All McGinn did was release a document of estimated numbers of a job classification that might be eliminated from various City departments. That hardly qualifies as targeting any particular class of people (age, sex, race, etc.).

    This should really be easy. Either these folks are doing real work and being paid appropriately for their jobs — or they're not.

    If they're valuable, I assume the Mayor's office will want to keep them. On the other hand, money needs to be cut from budgets, we all work in an “at-will” state, and it's much more difficult to go after the union contract jobs.

  • Mickymse

    Wait a sec', Erica, didn't YOU make a point of detailing how many city employees were giving to Nickels in the campaign? But now it's bad that McGinn mentioned it on his website?

    And how are there ANY grounds for a civil rights complaint? All McGinn did was release a document of estimated numbers of a job classification that might be eliminated from various City departments. That hardly qualifies as targeting any particular class of people (age, sex, race, etc.).

    This should really be easy. Either these folks are doing real work and being paid appropriately for their jobs — or they're not.

    If they're valuable, I assume the Mayor's office will want to keep them. On the other hand, money needs to be cut from budgets, we all work in an “at-will” state, and it's much more difficult to go after the union contract jobs.

  • jimcavanaugh

    Unregistered spouse:
    Can't your wife write ? Do you have a job ?

  • jimcavanaugh

    Unregistered spouse:
    Can't your wife write ? Do you have a job ?

  • Rick

    If their appointments were political (many) what's the problem with political unappointment. We should all have guranteed jobs,benefits and retirements, but that's just not reality.

  • Rick

    If their appointments were political (many) what's the problem with political unappointment. We should all have guranteed jobs,benefits and retirements, but that's just not reality.

  • notafiree

    @Mickymse “If they're valuable, I assume the Mayor's office will want to keep them” … does that really seem like a safe assumption to you?

  • notafiree

    @Mickymse “If they're valuable, I assume the Mayor's office will want to keep them” … does that really seem like a safe assumption to you?

  • tpn

    It is illegal to fire anyone for polical views, according to the SMC. The fact that McGinn announced in advance that he was getting rid of people for political reasons shows some serious bias, IMO. Any labor attorney worth his/her salt would be all over this shit. I wonder how much MORE we are going to pay in litigation and settlements? So much for cutting the budget.

  • tpn

    It is illegal to fire anyone for polical views, according to the SMC. The fact that McGinn announced in advance that he was getting rid of people for political reasons shows some serious bias, IMO. Any labor attorney worth his/her salt would be all over this shit. I wonder how much MORE we are going to pay in litigation and settlements? So much for cutting the budget.

  • guest

    look at the other side of the coin, kip donated to mcginn and he replaced a highly well regarded department director universally liked by colleagues and non-profit/private sector contacts.

  • guest

    look at the other side of the coin, kip donated to mcginn and he replaced a highly well regarded department director universally liked by colleagues and non-profit/private sector contacts.

  • http://michaelmaddux.blogspot.com/ Michael M.

    It was a dick move for the Mayor's office to skip out completely.

    However, as one of the people at the meeting pointed out (and has been stated, ad naseum), many of the cuts McGinn is proposing come from dedicated funding sources, not the general fund, which makes this entire debacle that much more troubling.

    The fact that the Mayor's office is making staff explain what their jobs are, and not in a “I want to know”, but in a “if I don't like what you write, you'll be fired” way, really just shows that we do not have people ready to manage the city up on the 7th floor. Again, there is a learning curve, and these meetings offer much in the way of education for the administration, but not even showing up, or sending a representative, really makes me question how much longer McGinn should be allowed a pass.

  • Michael M.

    It was a dick move for the Mayor's office to skip out completely.

    However, as one of the people at the meeting pointed out (and has been stated, ad naseum), many of the cuts McGinn is proposing come from dedicated funding sources, not the general fund, which makes this entire debacle that much more troubling.

    The fact that the Mayor's office is making staff explain what their jobs are, and not in a “I want to know”, but in a “if I don't like what you write, you'll be fired” way, really just shows that we do not have people ready to manage the city up on the 7th floor. Again, there is a learning curve, and these meetings offer much in the way of education for the administration, but not even showing up, or sending a representative, really makes me question how much longer McGinn should be allowed a pass.

  • West Seattle Waiter

    This looks like a city govt in panic. And an employee revolt against the Mayor. This is political loser issue for the Mayor. He gets slammed for cutting employees without a plan. We still have a major budget deficit. And the public thinks he is a wimp and not tough on the workers.
    McGinn's favorite movie — “Dazed and Confused”

  • West Seattle Waiter

    This looks like a city govt in panic. And an employee revolt against the Mayor. This is political loser issue for the Mayor. He gets slammed for cutting employees without a plan. We still have a major budget deficit. And the public thinks he is a wimp and not tough on the workers.
    McGinn's favorite movie — “Dazed and Confused”

  • Deadpan

    These aren't political appointments, but it's sure not always about “Positions to most qualified candidates.” Sometimes, unqualified employees are given out-of-class opportunities (not available to everyone), and then magically end up in the permanent jobs. The same goes for “interdepartment loans.”

    Then there's the managers that freely comment, “I'm not paid to work overtime,” or the ones that explain, deadpan, that they “read on the bus” as part of their workday.

    If these jobs are so critical to City operations, how about filling them with the best candidates and then taking steps to see the work actually gets done?

  • Deadpan

    These aren't political appointments, but it's sure not always about “Positions to most qualified candidates.” Sometimes, unqualified employees are given out-of-class opportunities (not available to everyone), and then magically end up in the permanent jobs. The same goes for “interdepartment loans.”

    Then there's the managers that freely comment, “I'm not paid to work overtime,” or the ones that explain, deadpan, that they “read on the bus” as part of their workday.

    If these jobs are so critical to City operations, how about filling them with the best candidates and then taking steps to see the work actually gets done?

  • fount

    hmmm…Beth Goldberg seems pretty womanly to me.

  • fount

    hmmm…Beth Goldberg seems pretty womanly to me.

  • fount

    sorry, had to reply again…

    the staff in the mayor's office is pretty much 50/50 men and women.

    It'd be nice if the Publicola comments thread hadn't become a forum for angry City employees to pull statistics out the air with no one to question them.

  • fount

    sorry, had to reply again…

    the staff in the mayor's office is pretty much 50/50 men and women.

    It'd be nice if the Publicola comments thread hadn't become a forum for angry City employees to pull statistics out the air with no one to question them.

  • ridiculous

    What a horrible thing to say without knowing anything about the people whose jobs may be cut. I'm not a city employee, but I am 100% sure that McGinn is going about this totally ass-backwards. It's not about the employees — it's about making a statement and not even knowing what strategic advisors do. Many strategic advisors are NOT managers. The mayor should prioritize programs and make cuts based on that exercise. Obviously, some of those people will be managers, strategic advisors, etc… but some could be customer service reps, IT people, facilities staff, and god knows what else. It should not be about singling out one job classification.

  • ridiculous

    What a horrible thing to say without knowing anything about the people whose jobs may be cut. I'm not a city employee, but I am 100% sure that McGinn is going about this totally ass-backwards. It's not about the employees — it's about making a statement and not even knowing what strategic advisors do. Many strategic advisors are NOT managers. The mayor should prioritize programs and make cuts based on that exercise. Obviously, some of those people will be managers, strategic advisors, etc… but some could be customer service reps, IT people, facilities staff, and god knows what else. It should not be about singling out one job classification.

  • Beware

    Regarding donations to Nickels campaign by city employees — it wasn't requested — it was expected. The political appointments by the last 3 mayors pale in comparison to what McGinn is doing. I wonder how many department heads would still be working at the city if they belonged to the Sierra Club.

  • Beware

    Regarding donations to Nickels campaign by city employees — it wasn't requested — it was expected. The political appointments by the last 3 mayors pale in comparison to what McGinn is doing. I wonder how many department heads would still be working at the city if they belonged to the Sierra Club.

  • jimcavanaugh

    I agree, but all the city jobs that mushroomed in muni govt these last eight
    years have to be reduced and/or eliminated, or the city will be broken – the
    public sector must belatedly start to share the difficulties the private
    sector has faced these past lean years. I'm confident the process will be
    refined, but 83 percent of my city property taxes go for public employees
    salaries and benefits. This is just a wake up call.

  • jimcavanaugh

    I agree, but all the city jobs that mushroomed in muni govt these last eight
    years have to be reduced and/or eliminated, or the city will be broken – the
    public sector must belatedly start to share the difficulties the private
    sector has faced these past lean years. I'm confident the process will be
    refined, but 83 percent of my city property taxes go for public employees
    salaries and benefits. This is just a wake up call.

  • David Sucher

    CITY EMPLOYEES DECRY PROPOSED JOB CUTS

    Farmers decry proposed crop supports
    Doctors decry proposed tort laws
    Teachers decry proposed levy failures
    Auto makers decry proposed fuel requirements
    Salmon fishermen decry proposed fishing restrictions.
    Developers decry proposed land restrictions.
    Neighbors decry proposed development.
    Ox decry proposed goring.

    So?

  • davidsucher

    CITY EMPLOYEES DECRY PROPOSED JOB CUTS

    Farmers decry proposed crop supports
    Doctors decry proposed tort laws
    Teachers decry proposed levy failures
    Auto makers decry proposed fuel requirements
    Salmon fishermen decry proposed fishing restrictions.
    Developers decry proposed land restrictions.
    Neighbors decry proposed development.
    Ox decry proposed goring.

    So?

  • SickofIdiots

    Over half of the positions targeted are not paid for by the general fund. The positions at City Light and SPU are paid for through utility rates. McGinn was told that laying these people off would not have any effect on the $50 million shortfall because the money could not be transferred to the general fund. Gee, I think he should have figured it out before he made his proposals to target most of those who have a revenue source to fund their positions. Some of the newer positions were created during the Nickels administration to deal with an increased workload and offer competitive salaries to talented people. The City gained a reputation as a great place to work and was able to attract people from all over the country who believed in the city's commitment to sustainability. So, let McGinn fire all the talented people who are actually saving money for the city because they do their jobs well. If incompetence is what the people of Seattle want – they got it by electing McGinn.

  • SickofIdiots

    Over half of the positions targeted are not paid for by the general fund. The positions at City Light and SPU are paid for through utility rates. McGinn was told that laying these people off would not have any effect on the $50 million shortfall because the money could not be transferred to the general fund. Gee, I think he should have figured it out before he made his proposals to target most of those who have a revenue source to fund their positions. Some of the newer positions were created during the Nickels administration to deal with an increased workload and offer competitive salaries to talented people. The City gained a reputation as a great place to work and was able to attract people from all over the country who believed in the city's commitment to sustainability. So, let McGinn fire all the talented people who are actually saving money for the city because they do their jobs well. If incompetence is what the people of Seattle want – they got it by electing McGinn.

  • east coast cynic

    It's tough all over. The laid off city employees can go out and hustle for a job just like private sector laid off people.

  • east coast cynic

    It's tough all over. The laid off city employees can go out and hustle for a job just like private sector laid off people.

  • ridiculous

    I'm not a city employee nor am I related to/affiliated with any city employees, but I am upset to read how the Mayor is governing. Governing to achieve press releases is gross and an abuse of office IMO. And it reeks of zero actual management experience or understanding of how to move an organization towards achieving the priorities set by the leadership.

  • ridiculous

    I'm not a city employee nor am I related to/affiliated with any city employees, but I am upset to read how the Mayor is governing. Governing to achieve press releases is gross and an abuse of office IMO. And it reeks of zero actual management experience or understanding of how to move an organization towards achieving the priorities set by the leadership.

  • Local 17 drone

    Yet ANOTHER reason why SPU and City Light should be removed from council and Mayor's office control, and put under an independent utility commission. Their budgets should be set exclusively based on business needs, and rates raised/lowered as deemed necessary.

    The commission should meet twice a year, be staffed by business, industry and scientific professionals from across the country who recognize the unique nature of these institutions, and be comprised of people who don't know anyone in Seattle ;-)

    Seriously – we are incredibly fortunate to be blessed with these institutions. They shouldn't be autonomous, but they shouldn't be overseen by politicians, either.

  • Local 17 drone

    Yet ANOTHER reason why SPU and City Light should be removed from council and Mayor's office control, and put under an independent utility commission. Their budgets should be set exclusively based on business needs, and rates raised/lowered as deemed necessary.

    The commission should meet twice a year, be staffed by business, industry and scientific professionals from across the country who recognize the unique nature of these institutions, and be comprised of people who don't know anyone in Seattle ;-)

    Seriously – we are incredibly fortunate to be blessed with these institutions. They shouldn't be autonomous, but they shouldn't be overseen by politicians, either.

  • MisterGomez

    Vampires Decry Sunrise
    Vegetarians Decry Barbecues
    Hookers Decry Abstinence and Monogamy
    Erica Decries Cars

  • MisterGomez

    Vampires Decry Sunrise
    Vegetarians Decry Barbecues
    Hookers Decry Abstinence and Monogamy
    Erica Decries Cars

  • J.S. MIll

    We're also fortunate to have unions like Locat 17, which voted to take furloughs so fewer union members would be laid off in 2010. This is the spirit that should govern the City. Our budget problems could be solved if all City employees agreed to take some furlough days (that means you, too, Local 77) and small pay cut and, voila, minimal layoffs.

  • J.S. MIll

    We're also fortunate to have unions like Locat 17, which voted to take furloughs so fewer union members would be laid off in 2010. This is the spirit that should govern the City. Our budget problems could be solved if all City employees agreed to take some furlough days (that means you, too, Local 77) and small pay cut and, voila, minimal layoffs.

  • hopeful

    YES!! You are so right! The water and wastewater industries (and power as well) are faced with HUGE challenges looking ahead that are very specific to these industries — new and more stringent regulations, new technologies, workforce issues, aging infrastructures, and new customer expectations. Anyone watching these industries will tell you that those utilities that are parts of city or regional governments have a MUCH more difficult time meeting the needs in a cost effective way because the city/regional leadership are NOT tuned into the issues and want to divert resources away. Ratepayers who care about drinking water and the health of our receiving waters should pay attention to what the mayor is doing and consider what is happening to your utility.

  • Bherenow

    YES!! You are so right! The water and wastewater industries (and power as well) are faced with HUGE challenges looking ahead that are very specific to these industries — new and more stringent regulations, new technologies, workforce issues, aging infrastructures, and new customer expectations. Anyone watching these industries will tell you that those utilities that are parts of city or regional governments have a MUCH more difficult time meeting the needs in a cost effective way because the city/regional leadership are NOT tuned into the issues and want to divert resources away. Ratepayers who care about drinking water and the health of our receiving waters should pay attention to what the mayor is doing and consider what is happening to your utility.

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  • heyhoneyimhome

    Love this tripe. ECB is a total fucktard gossip monger. Seattle's own Enquirer for whiney City government fucktards. I want to know what right does anyone have to a job?

    It is luck, skill, and who you know. Lose a job? Find another one. Move on. The sense of entitlement that oozes from the comments boggles the mind.

    I don't love Mayor McBike, but its his shops and he can fire who he wants. I love this!

  • heyhoneyimhome

    Love this tripe. ECB is a total fucktard gossip monger. Seattle's own Enquirer for whiney City government fucktards. I want to know what right does anyone have to a job?

    It is luck, skill, and who you know. Lose a job? Find another one. Move on. The sense of entitlement that oozes from the comments boggles the mind.

    I don't love Mayor McBike, but its his shops and he can fire who he wants. I love this!

  • wrong

    heyhoneyimhome – i'm not a city employee and i am well versed in employment law as i've practiced it for the past 15 years.

    fact 1: the mayor cannot fire anyone that he wants
    fact 2: civil service does provide employment entitlement/ownership

    this information is readily available from a variety of sources, including the public library. in your case, i suggest starting with something that won't overwhelm you, such as dr suess.

  • wrong

    heyhoneyimhome – i'm not a city employee and i am well versed in employment law as i've practiced it for the past 15 years.

    fact 1: the mayor cannot fire anyone that he wants
    fact 2: civil service does provide employment entitlement/ownership

    this information is readily available from a variety of sources, including the public library. in your case, i suggest starting with something that won't overwhelm you, such as dr suess.

  • Johnfly

    WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE “POLITICAL APPOINTEES”, IT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

    THERE ARE SO MANY SENIOR MANAGEMENT POSITIONS, OVER 900 OF EXECUTIVES, MANAGERS,STRATEGIC ADVISORS. MANY MANAGERS HAVE A FEW STAFFS TO SUPERVISE (RATIO 1:7). A NUMBER OF OTHER MANAGERS HAVE NO STAFFS AT ALL. STRATEGIC ADVISORS ARE EXCEEDED THE NEED, AND THEIR FUNCTION DO NOT MATCH WITH THEIR JOB DISCRIPTION.

  • Johnfly

    WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE “POLITICAL APPOINTEES”, IT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

    THERE ARE SO MANY SENIOR MANAGEMENT POSITIONS, OVER 900 OF EXECUTIVES, MANAGERS,STRATEGIC ADVISORS. MANY MANAGERS HAVE A FEW STAFFS TO SUPERVISE (RATIO 1:7). A NUMBER OF OTHER MANAGERS HAVE NO STAFFS AT ALL. STRATEGIC ADVISORS ARE EXCEEDED THE NEED, AND THEIR FUNCTION DO NOT MATCH WITH THEIR JOB DISCRIPTION.

  • Mike T

    I think its pretty clear that McGinn does not understand the problems since his first steps in office were to send out a memo to cut 200 jobs with zero regard as to current projects or job performance. Then there was the talk about the break up of the OSE department and replacing Mike Mann (who later resigned, a loss to the city I might add). And then Mcginn hired Chris Bushnell aka Chris Haugen as an advisor, with his bank fraud conviction and lying about his PhD. Bushnell/Haugen then resigned against the pleadings of McGinn. Seems like McGinn is not making real good management decisions. We may need some cut backs but they need to be done in a thoughtful and intelligent manner.

  • Mike T

    I think its pretty clear that McGinn does not understand the problems since his first steps in office were to send out a memo to cut 200 jobs with zero regard as to current projects or job performance. Then there was the talk about the break up of the OSE department and replacing Mike Mann (who later resigned, a loss to the city I might add). And then Mcginn hired Chris Bushnell aka Chris Haugen as an advisor, with his bank fraud conviction and lying about his PhD. Bushnell/Haugen then resigned against the pleadings of McGinn. Seems like McGinn is not making real good management decisions. We may need some cut backs but they need to be done in a thoughtful and intelligent manner.

  • jeff

    I am glad the mayor is looking for waste in all areas of the city, not just people who are paid for by the general fund. I don't like either the money I give to the city through taxes or utility bills to be wasted.

  • jeff

    I am glad the mayor is looking for waste in all areas of the city, not just people who are paid for by the general fund. I don't like either the money I give to the city through taxes or utility bills to be wasted.

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    It is truly ironic that these Senior Seattle employees are claiming discrimination when the entire gestalt ot their career and organization has been based on accusing their male competitors of harassment and the like for insisting on accountability.

    FWIW, unemployed is a lot better status than 'professonial pervert predator'.

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    It is truly ironic that these Senior Seattle employees are claiming discrimination when the entire gestalt ot their career and organization has been based on accusing their male competitors of harassment and the like for insisting on accountability.

    FWIW, unemployed is a lot better status than 'professonial pervert predator'.

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    @soapboxin – I hope the worst of you has their house foreclosed and are living under the bridge with the other level 3 predators within the year. If you want to get another job yourself you'd better deal with these facts, and fast.

    Not that you, or your cohorts, are really capable of doing anything, save stealing the ideas of talented white males….

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    @soapboxin – I hope the worst of you has their house foreclosed and are living under the bridge with the other level 3 predators within the year. If you want to get another job yourself you'd better deal with these facts, and fast.

    Not that you, or your cohorts, are really capable of doing anything, save stealing the ideas of talented white males….

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    Perhaps your wife is a good employee, but consider also the possibility that your marriage is a sex crime against the people of Washington State.

    I hope we find out.

    One thing for sure, hubby ain't too smart.

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    Perhaps your wife is a good employee, but consider also the possibility that your marriage is a sex crime against the people of Washington State.

    I hope we find out.

    One thing for sure, hubby ain't too smart.

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    I'm never 100% sure of anything, save for the fact that anyone who claims to be so is a moron.

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    I'm never 100% sure of anything, save for the fact that anyone who claims to be so is a moron.

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    Nobody in the city is 'universally liked' of that I can guarantee you. One thing for sure, consensus politics **can** be an excuse to reinvent the cycle of abuse, pervert?

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    Nobody in the city is 'universally liked' of that I can guarantee you. One thing for sure, consensus politics **can** be an excuse to reinvent the cycle of abuse, pervert?

  • Easy_Money

    Seattle's budget woes could be solved by selling City Light for a couple of billion to private investors. Downside-Upside, sure, but it is a cash cow just waiting to be milked.

  • Easy_Money

    Seattle's budget woes could be solved by selling City Light for a couple of billion to private investors. Downside-Upside, sure, but it is a cash cow just waiting to be milked.

  • Variances?

    Which project are you speaking of, John? Harbor has 1 project active in West Seattle at the moment and it's under construction, no more permits to procure.

  • Variances?

    Which project are you speaking of, John? Harbor has 1 project active in West Seattle at the moment and it's under construction, no more permits to procure.

  • Deadpan

    And now, after much decrying, looks like things will go back to normal, as in, this group of well-protected City employees will remain exactly that: safe. So when the next budget cuts need to happen–whether for the General Fund or for the utilities–they'll be made where they always have been: to the rank and file, the line staff, the support staff…anywhere but here.

  • Deadpan

    And now, after much decrying, looks like things will go back to normal, as in, this group of well-protected City employees will remain exactly that: safe. So when the next budget cuts need to happen–whether for the General Fund or for the utilities–they'll be made where they always have been: to the rank and file, the line staff, the support staff…anywhere but here.

  • morning fizzy

    Perfect, where the unions meets right. The right loves selling off public assets and the unions love using one time revenue to keep the status quo going, let the deficits be damned.

  • morning fizzy

    Perfect, where the unions meets right. The right loves selling off public assets and the unions love using one time revenue to keep the status quo going, let the deficits be damned.

  • morning fizzy

    Yes exactly. We will keep everyone and they will keep adding to their pension at 2% of their final salary for every year in the system. Need to boost them up at the end to make sure they have the healthiest of pensions. Of course, keeping those that no longer produce means that we need new higher level positions for all the younger workers that need advancement.

    Anybody remember that Nichels wanted to add another higher level of pay scale position – Executive 5.

    McGinn should try to find a way to reform the system over the long term.

  • morning fizzy

    Yes exactly. We will keep everyone and they will keep adding to their pension at 2% of their final salary for every year in the system. Need to boost them up at the end to make sure they have the healthiest of pensions. Of course, keeping those that no longer produce means that we need new higher level positions for all the younger workers that need advancement.

    Anybody remember that Nichels wanted to add another higher level of pay scale position – Executive 5.

    McGinn should try to find a way to reform the system over the long term.

  • John Galt

    I agree. Sell that sucker off. Sell SPU also. Then I can build my dream home on Chester Morse Lake, and finally run my jet skis on lake Diablo!

    Sure, PSE has lousy service and charges twice as much, but we'd be free of this oppressive socialist legacy that the people of Seattle were gullible enough to burden us with one hundred years ago. So what if it's worked well? Everyone knows that the scariest nine words in the English language are “I'm from the government, and I'm here to help”. Ronald Reagan said that, so it must be true. He never lied to us.

    Granted, PSE has no experience running a downtown network, but how hard can it be? The important thing is that they've freed themselves from the death grip of the unions and their silly “safety” regulations. By outsourcing all that, they've discovered the convenience of the disposable worker – and If you secretly insure them, you can even create a nice revenue stream off of their fatalities.

    Yes, let's sell our utilities. Hopefully, we can find some Chinese company to take them over! And the next time we get in a bind, maybe we can sell Seward Park!

  • John Galt

    I agree. Sell that sucker off. Sell SPU also. Then I can build my dream home on Chester Morse Lake, and finally run my jet skis on lake Diablo!

    Sure, PSE has lousy service and charges twice as much, but we'd be free of this oppressive socialist legacy that the people of Seattle were gullible enough to burden us with one hundred years ago. So what if it's worked well? Everyone knows that the scariest nine words in the English language are “I'm from the government, and I'm here to help”. Ronald Reagan said that, so it must be true. He never lied to us.

    Granted, PSE has no experience running a downtown network, but how hard can it be? The important thing is that they've freed themselves from the death grip of the unions and their silly “safety” regulations. By outsourcing all that, they've discovered the convenience of the disposable worker – and If you secretly insure them, you can even create a nice revenue stream off of their fatalities.

    Yes, let's sell our utilities. Hopefully, we can find some Chinese company to take them over! And the next time we get in a bind, maybe we can sell Seward Park!

  • Seattle_Steve

    Excellent reporting. This is a terrible problem for the new Mayor. It makes it look like he's turning City Hall into part of a political machine.

    Where are the good government groups on this one?

    I have a feeling that the new Mayor is off to a bad start with people who know about the mistakes and other foibles of the Mayor's office that reporters would love to know about.

    It looks like reporters might have about 900 new sources at City Hall. This could keep Mark really busy.

  • Seattle_Steve

    Excellent reporting. This is a terrible problem for the new Mayor. It makes it look like he's turning City Hall into part of a political machine.

    Where are the good government groups on this one?

    I have a feeling that the new Mayor is off to a bad start with people who know about the mistakes and other foibles of the Mayor's office that reporters would love to know about.

    It looks like reporters might have about 900 new sources at City Hall. This could keep Mark really busy.

  • why not?

    I actually agree with part of what you are saying here. I think pensions should be structured so that you are paid for your highest average salary throughout your career, so that older employees may have the option of stepping down from their positions, cutting back their hours, and gradually going into retirement to allow for better transitions.

  • why not?

    I actually agree with part of what you are saying here. I think pensions should be structured so that you are paid for your highest average salary throughout your career, so that older employees may have the option of stepping down from their positions, cutting back their hours, and gradually going into retirement to allow for better transitions.

  • Jesse

    To recap for all, the Mayor crossed civil service thresholds when he launched his initiative in early January to carry out the promise he made during the campaign to eliminate 200 of what he labeled “…these political appointees ” referring to the City’s Strategic Advisor positions. The Mayor's promise — a “”winning” sound bite during the campaign — left voters, citizens, ratepayers and other audiences with a terribly unfair, fictitious characterization of the City employees in these positions as political cronies or hacks or worse. As such, these employees — who by just plain “bad luck of the draw” find themselves in these particular targeted civil service classifications — were “politicized”, and are now easy to exploit, unsympathetic marks in the public eye during these harsh economic times — particularly for those who look for any opportunity to demonize city workers.

    This is the exact kind of scenario that led to the creation of Civil Service systems across the county (such as Seattle’s) over a century ago to protect public employees from losing their jobs due to partisan politics, a change in administrations, and, in this case, an ill-informed political whim. So, like it or not, the Civil Service rights of City workers — like those who attended and spoke at yesterday’s Civil Service meeting — are serious business and are an integral part of the Charter for the City of Seattle. And, no matter how one views these employees, their civil service rights cannot be suspended because they are inconvenient, ignored because you don’t like them, or violated because you do not know any better…all of which seem to apply to the Mayor in both words and deeds in the campaign and the first 5 weeks of his administration.

    I believe all employees in these targeted classifications are acutely aware of the economic challenges the City faces given projected budget shortfalls in the General Fund, the Light Fund and other non-General Fund budgets. They know tough decisions will have to be made, a number of City programs, projects, and services will either be eliminated or scaled back, city positions will be eliminated, and City workers will lose their jobs. They are not asking for special treatment, or preferential treatment in that decision making process, but their statements at yesterday’s meeting make it clear they are asking for fair and equal treatment that respects and upholds, not ignores, suspends, wishes away, or violates individual rights they have as pubic employees of the City of Seattle.

    I was initially pleased that the Mayor decided to defer potential layoff decisions in these specific civil service classifications to the broader context of a 2010 mid-year budget adjustment and/or and the 2011/2012 budget process, with Council review and approval in place. Sadly, I have concluded that the well has been irreversibly poisoned by “red meat” rhetoric in the campaign and follow-up actions and words by the Mayor and his spokesman as recently as two days ago. As such, I have no faith that the Mayor can approach these issues and make program and staffing decisions – even in the broader context of a budget process — with the upmost integrity required, and in a fair and impartial manner.

    The very best can I hope for is that reasonable, common sense voices of the City Council will prevail and that projected budget shortfalls in 2010 and 2011/12 2012 are addressed by “…reviewing priorities and making decisions by programs and departments, rather than by targeting individuals or job titles…in a smart, systematic way that maintains basic services, matches our values as a community, and respects the good work of city employees.” (See From Sally Clark’s 2/4 response to Working Seattle http://www.workingseattle.org/announcement/coun…)

    In the meantime, I would encourage individual employees in targeted classifications to continue to seek your due remedies as the Mayor has a political promise to fulfill, will surely continue to cast the lot of you — the target of that political promise — as the villains in this play (as evidenced by the Mayor’s office absence at yesterday’s meeting), and is not going to let any silly Civil Service and related rights, rules, and laws stand in his way.

  • Jesse

    To recap for all, the Mayor crossed civil service thresholds when he launched his initiative in early January to carry out the promise he made during the campaign to eliminate 200 of what he labeled “…these political appointees ” referring to the City’s Strategic Advisor positions. The Mayor's promise — a “”winning” sound bite during the campaign — left voters, citizens, ratepayers and other audiences with a terribly unfair, fictitious characterization of the City employees in these positions as political cronies or hacks or worse. As such, these employees — who by just plain “bad luck of the draw” find themselves in these particular targeted civil service classifications — were “politicized”, and are now easy to exploit, unsympathetic marks in the public eye during these harsh economic times — particularly for those who look for any opportunity to demonize city workers.

    This is the exact kind of scenario that led to the creation of Civil Service systems across the county (such as Seattle’s) over a century ago to protect public employees from losing their jobs due to partisan politics, a change in administrations, and, in this case, an ill-informed political whim. So, like it or not, the Civil Service rights of City workers — like those who attended and spoke at yesterday’s Civil Service meeting — are serious business and are an integral part of the Charter for the City of Seattle. And, no matter how one views these employees, their civil service rights cannot be suspended because they are inconvenient, ignored because you don’t like them, or violated because you do not know any better…all of which seem to apply to the Mayor in both words and deeds in the campaign and the first 5 weeks of his administration.

    I believe all employees in these targeted classifications are acutely aware of the economic challenges the City faces given projected budget shortfalls in the General Fund, the Light Fund and other non-General Fund budgets. They know tough decisions will have to be made, a number of City programs, projects, and services will either be eliminated or scaled back, city positions will be eliminated, and City workers will lose their jobs. They are not asking for special treatment, or preferential treatment in that decision making process, but their statements at yesterday’s meeting make it clear they are asking for fair and equal treatment that respects and upholds, not ignores, suspends, wishes away, or violates individual rights they have as pubic employees of the City of Seattle.

    I was initially pleased that the Mayor decided to defer potential layoff decisions in these specific civil service classifications to the broader context of a 2010 mid-year budget adjustment and/or and the 2011/2012 budget process, with Council review and approval in place. Sadly, I have concluded that the well has been irreversibly poisoned by “red meat” rhetoric in the campaign and follow-up actions and words by the Mayor and his spokesman as recently as two days ago. As such, I have no faith that the Mayor can approach these issues and make program and staffing decisions – even in the broader context of a budget process — with the upmost integrity required, and in a fair and impartial manner.

    The very best can I hope for is that reasonable, common sense voices of the City Council will prevail and that projected budget shortfalls in 2010 and 2011/12 2012 are addressed by “…reviewing priorities and making decisions by programs and departments, rather than by targeting individuals or job titles…in a smart, systematic way that maintains basic services, matches our values as a community, and respects the good work of city employees.” (See From Sally Clark’s 2/4 response to Working Seattle http://www.workingseattle.org/announcement/coun…)

    In the meantime, I would encourage individual employees in targeted classifications to continue to seek your due remedies as the Mayor has a political promise to fulfill, will surely continue to cast the lot of you — the target of that political promise — as the villains in this play (as evidenced by the Mayor’s office absence at yesterday’s meeting), and is not going to let any silly Civil Service and related rights, rules, and laws stand in his way.

  • ratcityreprobate

    When the Council and the Mayor get around to dealing with the 2011 budget this fuss will appear to be inconsequential, the job losses, departmental scaling back, closing of parks, libraries and loss of services are going to be very painful for all categories of City employees and Seattle citizens and businesses.

  • ratcityreprobate

    When the Council and the Mayor get around to dealing with the 2011 budget this fuss will appear to be inconsequential, the job losses, departmental scaling back, closing of parks, libraries and loss of services are going to be very painful for all categories of City employees and Seattle citizens and businesses.

  • Soapboxin'

    Tooley, it sounds like you could use some of the great Race and Social Justice training they provide at the city now. The saddest part of your ignorance and bitterness is that you make it so public.
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    FYI, I work in the private sector, have never had a career in the public sector, and have been laid off twice over the last decade. I get it, as far as reality goes.
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    As far as the city goes, I KNOW that some of the targeted people are the same skilled professionals who are working hard to be part of the solution.
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    There will be cuts, and they will hurt. They should be done correctly.

  • soapboxin

    Tooley, it sounds like you could use some of the great Race and Social Justice training they provide at the city now. The saddest part of your ignorance and bitterness is that you make it so public.
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    FYI, I work in the private sector, have never had a career in the public sector, and have been laid off twice over the last decade. I get it, as far as reality goes.
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    As far as the city goes, I KNOW that some of the targeted people are the same skilled professionals who are working hard to be part of the solution.
    -
    There will be cuts, and they will hurt. They should be done correctly.

  • Soapboxin'

    And fizzy, I agree that we all would like to cut the deadwood out of government, at all levels. That's why this issue gets so emotional.
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    But you know as well as I do that you can't just identify the losers and get rid of them. That's living in a fantasy world.
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    And, for the 200th time, this is not the best answer either.

  • soapboxin

    And fizzy, I agree that we all would like to cut the deadwood out of government, at all levels. That's why this issue gets so emotional.
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    But you know as well as I do that you can't just identify the losers and get rid of them. That's living in a fantasy world.
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    And, for the 200th time, this is not the best answer either.

  • morning fizzy

    I'm trying to respond to Soap –

    I agree, you win. We will cut the newest hires off the bottom. They have the least resources, the smallest savings, the worst resumes and no built up pensions but that's how it works.

    The people actually providing the services will be let go; the libraries and parks will be shut down but we'll keep upper management intact.

  • morning fizzy

    I'm trying to respond to Soap –

    I agree, you win. We will cut the newest hires off the bottom. They have the least resources, the smallest savings, the worst resumes and no built up pensions but that's how it works.

    The people actually providing the services will be let go; the libraries and parks will be shut down but we'll keep upper management intact.

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    @soapboxin – the cycle of abuse is a dangerous thing. The corporate welfare scumbags of the private sector have figured out that if you spend some of somebody else's money pandering to the politically correct you can recreate the cycle of abuse to your own benefit.

    The City of Seattle is a great example of what corporate america has become – a risk to the life of every America in this Country, including mine.

    The common law status of abusers is clear, these folks should be relieved that all that they are losing is their job.

    And I'd be happy to discuss that with you further. How about federal court?

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    @soapboxin – the cycle of abuse is a dangerous thing. The corporate welfare scumbags of the private sector have figured out that if you spend some of somebody else's money pandering to the politically correct you can recreate the cycle of abuse to your own benefit.

    The City of Seattle is a great example of what corporate america has become – a risk to the life of every America in this Country, including mine.

    The common law status of abusers is clear, these folks should be relieved that all that they are losing is their job.

    And I'd be happy to discuss that with you further. How about federal court?

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    Morning Fizzy has an important general point here. In a small company an owner eats quite a bit in an economic downturn – that is a large part of the inherent risk, and responsibility, of running a business.

    In government, and corporate america, god knows this is not the case.

    This has become particularly bad with the baby boomer generation, those surviving to become leaders are unfortunately not the most talented folks – or for that matter possessing a shred of integrity.

    Laying off the lower ranks in order to preserve the salaries of the responsible is pretty much the same thing as giving Tarp money for bonuses to the banks – it is only a matter of degree – call it relative status in a very expensive trailer park.

  • http://motleytools.com/blog Douglas Tooley

    Morning Fizzy has an important general point here. In a small company an owner eats quite a bit in an economic downturn – that is a large part of the inherent risk, and responsibility, of running a business.

    In government, and corporate america, god knows this is not the case.

    This has become particularly bad with the baby boomer generation, those surviving to become leaders are unfortunately not the most talented folks – or for that matter possessing a shred of integrity.

    Laying off the lower ranks in order to preserve the salaries of the responsible is pretty much the same thing as giving Tarp money for bonuses to the banks – it is only a matter of degree – call it relative status in a very expensive trailer park.

  • Tula

    All this talk of low employee morale because the Mayor has promised to layoff 200 top level employees is baloney. There IS low employee morale but that's because the rank and file folks THAT ACTUALLY PERFORM DIRECT SERVICES TO THE PEOPLE OF SEATTLE have been targeted for years leading up to this crisis. As engineers, customer service reps, electricians, etc, retire or leave, management has taken those positions and turned them into Strategic Advisors or Managers. Or just not filled them. The demand on the rank and file staff is greater than ever and as always the bureaucracy's response is to hire advisors and analysts to STUDY the problem.

    The fact remains that many executives, managers, strategic advisors are UNNECESSARY. The public would not feel the difference if we cut 50% of them. If we then hired 25% more rank and filers: now the public would notice that. Streets repaired, parks and better shape, street lights replaced, phones answered, help given. Now that'd be amazing.

    These folks egos are far too high.

  • Tula

    All this talk of low employee morale because the Mayor has promised to layoff 200 top level employees is baloney. There IS low employee morale but that's because the rank and file folks THAT ACTUALLY PERFORM DIRECT SERVICES TO THE PEOPLE OF SEATTLE have been targeted for years leading up to this crisis. As engineers, customer service reps, electricians, etc, retire or leave, management has taken those positions and turned them into Strategic Advisors or Managers. Or just not filled them. The demand on the rank and file staff is greater than ever and as always the bureaucracy's response is to hire advisors and analysts to STUDY the problem.

    The fact remains that many executives, managers, strategic advisors are UNNECESSARY. The public would not feel the difference if we cut 50% of them. If we then hired 25% more rank and filers: now the public would notice that. Streets repaired, parks and better shape, street lights replaced, phones answered, help given. Now that'd be amazing.

    These folks egos are far too high.

  • dltooley

    Great point about that – good managers would engage in constructive conversation with line staff and **accomplish** all the strategic advising necessary.

    A similar 'ego' problem can be seen in the management of volunteers by City Staff, who consider such folks as paid employees needing to submit to their authority when it is in fact the opposite.

    The old right wing saw about government being inherently inefficient comes to mind. That is not the case, it is merely a weakness of all large corporate organizations, public, non-profit, publicly traded, or private.

    The simplest solution to that problem is greater turnover in the public sector. That might well lead to more 'experienced' managers that can deal with the more complex issues, and communicate with both citizens and employees without being arrogantly defensive about their own lackings…

  • dltooley

    Great point about that – good managers would engage in constructive conversation with line staff and **accomplish** all the strategic advising necessary.

    A similar 'ego' problem can be seen in the management of volunteers by City Staff, who consider such folks as paid employees needing to submit to their authority when it is in fact the opposite.

    The old right wing saw about government being inherently inefficient comes to mind. That is not the case, it is merely a weakness of all large corporate organizations, public, non-profit, publicly traded, or private.

    The simplest solution to that problem is greater turnover in the public sector. That might well lead to more 'experienced' managers that can deal with the more complex issues, and communicate with both citizens and employees without being arrogantly defensive about their own lackings…

  • ksea

    The City Employees' Retirement System pensions, funded about equally from the City and payroll deductions, is up to 60% (with 30 years service) times the employee's highest 24 consecutive months.

    This allows the kind of stepping down you suggest without significant effect on one's pension.

  • ksea

    The City Employees' Retirement System pensions, funded about equally from the City and payroll deductions, is up to 60% (with 30 years service) times the employee's highest 24 consecutive months.

    This allows the kind of stepping down you suggest without significant effect on one's pension.

  • Easy_Money

    The Retirement System is going to be the city's next target. Look for a city proposal during contract talks this year whereby they attempt to install a two-tier system. New hires would fall under a defined contribution 401K type of thing. The city tried this several years ago and the unions successfully resisted but given the dark economic times, its ugly head may surface again.

  • Easy_Money

    The Retirement System is going to be the city's next target. Look for a city proposal during contract talks this year whereby they attempt to install a two-tier system. New hires would fall under a defined contribution 401K type of thing. The city tried this several years ago and the unions successfully resisted but given the dark economic times, its ugly head may surface again.

  • kam26

    Consultants, who do not get benefits, have traditionally allowed the City to save money. The City gets the expertise, without having to keep them permanently on the payroll.

  • kam26

    Consultants, who do not get benefits, have traditionally allowed the City to save money. The City gets the expertise, without having to keep them permanently on the payroll.