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Don’t Put A Light Rail Station Next to a Freeway, Data Edition

Bellevue City Council member Kevin Wallace wrote recently that locating the downtown Bellevue Link light rail station next to I-405 would “maximize transit-oriented development (TOD) opportunities.” That claim has been challenged qualitatively, but what do the cold, hard numbers say?

Applying the methodology described in Futurewise’s Transit-Oriented Communities Blueprint to a quarter-mile radius area around the two station options (shown in the aerial photo above), yields the following estimated capacity for jobs and housing based on current zoning:

I detect a pattern. Compared to the I-405 location proposed in Wallace’s plan, the originally proposed Transit Center location provides nearly 50 percent more developable land, and the potential to hold about three times as many jobs, and almost four times as many housing units.

What else is there to say?  Jobs and housing within easy walking distance of the station are the most fundamental ingredients of successful transit-oriented development (TOD).

It’s tough to quantify the value of the greater buildout capacity in the Transit Center station area. But over the long term, that advantage, combined with the benefit of not having a freeway cut a gigantic gash right through the middle of the station area, would dwarf any short term savings that might come with the I-405 alignment.

So why then, is the I-405 plan even being considered? One obvious answer is that politicians are pandering to their most vocal constituencies, whose attitudes are summed up well in this Seattle Times report:

“Scores of homeowners along Bellevue Way Southeast, and condominium owners on 118th Avenue Southeast, strongly oppose putting the line near their buildings or neighborhoods. They say the trains would be noisy, increase traffic, bring crime to the area and cause a loss of property and property value for homes next to the line.”

Caving to those myopic gripes—some of which are demonstrably false—is lack of leadership, plain and simple.

Worries about the negative impact of construction on downtown businesses are legitimate. But that impact would be temporary, and can be mitigated. And in the end, light rail will bring more foot traffic and increased vitality for downtown businesses.

But some speculate that council members are playing a different game. The Bellevue City Council would have no qualms approving the Transit Center alignment if it was underground. But a tunnel would cost an extra $300 million and Bellevue doesn’t want to pay for it. Meanwhile, Sound Transit—stretched thin by dropping tax revenues—is in no position to fork out $300 million either.

And so might it be that Wallace’s plan (and perhaps also the new Mercer Slough alignment?) is actually a tactic to strong-arm Sound Transit into helping fund a downtown tunnel? Like I said, speculation. But the truth is, the tunnel is the best solution, and it would be great if Sound Transit and Bellevue could find a way to work together, share the extra expense, and get the right thing done. After all, people have been building subways for more than a century.




  • Giffy

    A tunnel is certainly option number 1. I would happily kick in for it, but alas subarea equity seems to prevent that, though maybe there is some work around. A tunnel would be faster and cooler.

    Option 2 though has to be a surface route through downtown. The I-405 alignment is a horrible idea. Kemper needs to get his head out of his ass and see the immense benefit light-rail has to his malls. I don’t really go to Bellevue much, especially for any late night purposes, but could see myself taking the train out there for dinner or something. Multiply that across the region and you have a pretty decent increase in business from those of us that don’t like driving places.

  • Giffy

    A tunnel is certainly option number 1. I would happily kick in for it, but alas subarea equity seems to prevent that, though maybe there is some work around. A tunnel would be faster and cooler.

    Option 2 though has to be a surface route through downtown. The I-405 alignment is a horrible idea. Kemper needs to get his head out of his ass and see the immense benefit light-rail has to his malls. I don’t really go to Bellevue much, especially for any late night purposes, but could see myself taking the train out there for dinner or something. Multiply that across the region and you have a pretty decent increase in business from those of us that don’t like driving places.

  • Emerald City

    Yesterday you were SLOG.

    Now your Seattle Transit Blog?

  • Emerald City

    Yesterday you were SLOG.

    Now your Seattle Transit Blog?

  • http://seattletransitblog.com/ John Jensen

    Emerald City, this is more than what we’ve wrote at STB. Great data, Dan.

  • http://seattletransitblog.com John Jensen

    Emerald City, this is more than what we’ve wrote at STB. Great data, Dan.

  • Scot B.

    Do any of the downtown developers own the land shown in red? Are they looking, perhaps, to bulk up the attractiveness of depressed properties rather than put a cherry on top of an area that’s already built to near maximum capacity?

  • Scot B.

    Do any of the downtown developers own the land shown in red? Are they looking, perhaps, to bulk up the attractiveness of depressed properties rather than put a cherry on top of an area that’s already built to near maximum capacity?

  • Quintessentialfemale

    Excellent article. Well written and understandable. Nice job!

  • Quintessentialfemale

    Excellent article. Well written and understandable. Nice job!

  • Joshua Daniel Franklin

    Love the article, but shouldn’t the venn circles be red and blue with purple overlap, or yellow and red with green overlap or something?

    The first rail subway seems to have been a 3-mile line in London, 1863. We’re coming up on the 150th anniversary of underground trains.

  • Joshua Daniel Franklin

    Love the article, but shouldn’t the venn circles be red and blue with purple overlap, or yellow and red with green overlap or something?

    The first rail subway seems to have been a 3-mile line in London, 1863. We’re coming up on the 150th anniversary of underground trains.

  • Pine Grove

    It’s remarkable that some homeowners actually still believe that having light rail close by would “cause a loss of property and property value for homes next to the line.”

    In this day and age, that’s a bit like telling your folks that you’ve just been accepted to medical school and the response you get is, “Don’t expect to be moving back home when you can’t find work with that worthless medical degree.”

    These homeowners would have a real gripe if they argued the opposite–that light rail would lead to rampant gentrification, driving up their property values, and driving them out of their homes.

  • Pine Grove

    It’s remarkable that some homeowners actually still believe that having light rail close by would “cause a loss of property and property value for homes next to the line.”

    In this day and age, that’s a bit like telling your folks that you’ve just been accepted to medical school and the response you get is, “Don’t expect to be moving back home when you can’t find work with that worthless medical degree.”

    These homeowners would have a real gripe if they argued the opposite–that light rail would lead to rampant gentrification, driving up their property values, and driving them out of their homes.

  • Pine Grove

    I’m thinking the Vision Line isn’t so much a threat to get built as it is a threat to muck up the works. I’ve got to believe the real choice for downtown Bellevue is between tunnel and surface and obstruction.

    IMHO, a surface route through downtown Bellevue wouldn’t be the end of the world. It’s just the kind of thing we’d be kicking ourselves over for the next 100 years. As in, “Why didn’t we build a tunnel when we had the chance?”

    But here’s the thing I don’t understand. Considering how affluent the Eastside is, why isn’t there enough money under the subarea equity arrangement to pay for a tunnel? And before someone responds, “Because there wouldn’t be enough money to get to Redmond then,” let me make clear, I’m actually wondering why that is. Why isn’t the Eastside’s pot big enough to tunnel through downtown Bellevue AND get to Redmond?

    It’s in ST’s interest, it’s in Bellevue’s interest, it’s in everybody’s interest to figure out how to get that tunnel paid for and built.

  • Pine Grove

    I’m thinking the Vision Line isn’t so much a threat to get built as it is a threat to muck up the works. I’ve got to believe the real choice for downtown Bellevue is between tunnel and surface and obstruction.

    IMHO, a surface route through downtown Bellevue wouldn’t be the end of the world. It’s just the kind of thing we’d be kicking ourselves over for the next 100 years. As in, “Why didn’t we build a tunnel when we had the chance?”

    But here’s the thing I don’t understand. Considering how affluent the Eastside is, why isn’t there enough money under the subarea equity arrangement to pay for a tunnel? And before someone responds, “Because there wouldn’t be enough money to get to Redmond then,” let me make clear, I’m actually wondering why that is. Why isn’t the Eastside’s pot big enough to tunnel through downtown Bellevue AND get to Redmond?

    It’s in ST’s interest, it’s in Bellevue’s interest, it’s in everybody’s interest to figure out how to get that tunnel paid for and built.

  • vlado

    Dan: Although I agree with much of what you are saying in regard to TOD, I think you may also be guilty of being a little myopic in your view of light rail. In Toronto the Allen Expressway has a daylighted subway line in the middle of it, and in Chicago the Dan Ryan Expressway has the Red Line. Both of these systems are tied to feeder stations that interface effectively with buses. When I lived in those cities I used these lines and they do have some significant advantages, such as allowing the trains to move at constant 50+ miles an hour, making the commute time much shorter (you can’t do that on surface street ROW’s). Often the trains speed past the cars stuck in traffic, and provide a living advertisement for transit use. I think that one of the problems with the LR design philosophy in Seattle is that we are trying to turn it into some kind of hybrid streetcar/commuter rail hybrid. Most cities with more developed transit systems understand that this doesn’t work effectively and design LR as a fast, high capacity system integrated into a network with stations connected to local feeders. We always try to do too much with too little.

    Of course, the best solution is for grade separated systems that allow for both high speed and can be located directly below TOD, like subways or elevated structures. I think we need to make that technological leap at some point and advance into the 19th century like Chicago and New York did when they were confronted to the gridlock we now find ourselves in.

  • vlado

    Dan: Although I agree with much of what you are saying in regard to TOD, I think you may also be guilty of being a little myopic in your view of light rail. In Toronto the Allen Expressway has a daylighted subway line in the middle of it, and in Chicago the Dan Ryan Expressway has the Red Line. Both of these systems are tied to feeder stations that interface effectively with buses. When I lived in those cities I used these lines and they do have some significant advantages, such as allowing the trains to move at constant 50+ miles an hour, making the commute time much shorter (you can’t do that on surface street ROW’s). Often the trains speed past the cars stuck in traffic, and provide a living advertisement for transit use. I think that one of the problems with the LR design philosophy in Seattle is that we are trying to turn it into some kind of hybrid streetcar/commuter rail hybrid. Most cities with more developed transit systems understand that this doesn’t work effectively and design LR as a fast, high capacity system integrated into a network with stations connected to local feeders. We always try to do too much with too little.

    Of course, the best solution is for grade separated systems that allow for both high speed and can be located directly below TOD, like subways or elevated structures. I think we need to make that technological leap at some point and advance into the 19th century like Chicago and New York did when they were confronted to the gridlock we now find ourselves in.

  • aw

    @Pine Grove: the reason there’s not enough money in the till for a tunnel is that the East King subarea has been spending its ST bucks on bus service and bus-oriented capital projects. There is only money allocated for light rail in ST2.

    There are two points I want to make about the original post. First, I think that the likely ST board approved route will be C9A or C9T which would put the station to the south and east of Dan’s Transit Center station. The end result would be about the same for the developable area around the station compared the the “vision line”, but it’s worth noting that a lot of that area is already developed to a high density.

    Seconly, with any alignment that crossed I-405 at NE 6th, which includes the C9 alternatives, the next outbound station would be Hospital station, located around NE 8th and the BNSF corridor. The 1/4 mile circle around that station would overlap the 1/4 mile circle around the “vision line” station, so a lot of those areas would also be well served.

  • aw

    @Pine Grove: the reason there’s not enough money in the till for a tunnel is that the East King subarea has been spending its ST bucks on bus service and bus-oriented capital projects. There is only money allocated for light rail in ST2.

    There are two points I want to make about the original post. First, I think that the likely ST board approved route will be C9A or C9T which would put the station to the south and east of Dan’s Transit Center station. The end result would be about the same for the developable area around the station compared the the “vision line”, but it’s worth noting that a lot of that area is already developed to a high density.

    Seconly, with any alignment that crossed I-405 at NE 6th, which includes the C9 alternatives, the next outbound station would be Hospital station, located around NE 8th and the BNSF corridor. The 1/4 mile circle around that station would overlap the 1/4 mile circle around the “vision line” station, so a lot of those areas would also be well served.

  • Bernie

    politicians are pandering to their most vocal constituencies,

    So the vote for ST2 was “the will of the people, but when the people of Bellevue vote out representatives that don’t speak for the majority it’s pandering? Next you’re going to say the Bellevue election was bought. Yeah, endorsments like the Bellevue Fire Department (endorsed every winning candidate) are a shameful example of big money? Power to the people baby.

  • Bernie

    politicians are pandering to their most vocal constituencies,

    So the vote for ST2 was “the will of the people, but when the people of Bellevue vote out representatives that don’t speak for the majority it’s pandering? Next you’re going to say the Bellevue election was bought. Yeah, endorsments like the Bellevue Fire Department (endorsed every winning candidate) are a shameful example of big money? Power to the people baby.

  • Tony the Economist

    It was my understanding that 1/2 mile was the appropriate radius for a light rail station, 1/4 mile is the standard walkshed for a streetcar or bus line, but people tend to be much more willing to walk a bit farther for light rail. I actually live 0.6 miles away from the future Capitol Hill Light rail station, but I consider myself well within easy walking distance.

    Do your comparisons change if you look at wider circles, or are they consistent across a range of scales?

    Also, it’s not 1/4 or 1/2 mile as the crow flies, but as the pedestrian walks. Good TOD analysis would define the land area based on network distance rather than euclidian distance.

    Back to the GIS workstation, Dan. ;-)

  • Tony the Economist

    It was my understanding that 1/2 mile was the appropriate radius for a light rail station, 1/4 mile is the standard walkshed for a streetcar or bus line, but people tend to be much more willing to walk a bit farther for light rail. I actually live 0.6 miles away from the future Capitol Hill Light rail station, but I consider myself well within easy walking distance.

    Do your comparisons change if you look at wider circles, or are they consistent across a range of scales?

    Also, it’s not 1/4 or 1/2 mile as the crow flies, but as the pedestrian walks. Good TOD analysis would define the land area based on network distance rather than euclidian distance.

    Back to the GIS workstation, Dan. ;-)

  • process

    Anyone know how many of those developable acres at the I-405 station area are owned by the Wallace family?

  • process

    Anyone know how many of those developable acres at the I-405 station area are owned by the Wallace family?

  • ahem

    1. there are light rail station next to freewasyin tukwila, and planned in northgate.

    2. your 1/4 mile radius is totally ridiculous. If you changed the radius to 1/2 a mil you would see substantial overlap.

    3. “current zoning”? wtf? you mean if the zoning changes …. there is no problem. so wny not change zoning??

    4. for real TOD you underground it and allow 60 story zoning. e

  • ahem

    1. there are light rail station next to freewasyin tukwila, and planned in northgate.

    2. your 1/4 mile radius is totally ridiculous. If you changed the radius to 1/2 a mil you would see substantial overlap.

    3. “current zoning”? wtf? you mean if the zoning changes …. there is no problem. so wny not change zoning??

    4. for real TOD you underground it and allow 60 story zoning. e

  • Anc

    Bernie, yes when people vote on a transit issue that is taken as a voicing their opinion on said transit plan.

    When people vote for a candidate that is considered a vote for that candidate. Many more issues at play than just transit. Or are you trying to tell me that both candidates shared platforms on everything but transit, were mirrors when it came to personality, and had equal funds?

    And how much money did Kemper’s Stable get compared their opponents?

  • Anc

    Bernie, yes when people vote on a transit issue that is taken as a voicing their opinion on said transit plan.

    When people vote for a candidate that is considered a vote for that candidate. Many more issues at play than just transit. Or are you trying to tell me that both candidates shared platforms on everything but transit, were mirrors when it came to personality, and had equal funds?

    And how much money did Kemper’s Stable get compared their opponents?

  • ahem

    seriously this arument all rests on current zoning?

    so, change the zoning.

    and btw a 1/4 radius is silly. that’s the 5 minute walk. many people will do a ten minute walk to take train from bellevue to seattle and save on bridge trafic and parking….if you go to nyc to the end of the line stations…..many people do ten or 15 minute walks….if you go to grand central station many super rich superwhite commuters from westchester do ten minute walks 10-12 blocks north ..you wouldn’t draw a 1/4 radius around grand central station, right?

    shit it’s like a two or three block walk to just walk up the stairs through three levels and exit the station….

    go to ballston VA or bethesda maryland and you will see a profusion of towers and rowhouses and about 6000 condo and apt. units and 50 restaurants where there used to be sprawly lowrise strip malls and no density…..and these nodes of density around the metro stations extend far beyond your 1.4 mile circle.

    meanwhile right here in seattle wehave the northgate station next to a freeway and down in tukwila we have a station both next to a freeway and in the middle of absolutely nowhere.

    the point is, while the station siting in bellevue may be “less than ideal” to portray it as a “complete disaster” is not only wrong but clearly disengenuous. seriously, a freeway station in northgate is fine, one in bellevue is the end of the world. riiiiiight.

  • ahem

    seriously this arument all rests on current zoning?

    so, change the zoning.

    and btw a 1/4 radius is silly. that’s the 5 minute walk. many people will do a ten minute walk to take train from bellevue to seattle and save on bridge trafic and parking….if you go to nyc to the end of the line stations…..many people do ten or 15 minute walks….if you go to grand central station many super rich superwhite commuters from westchester do ten minute walks 10-12 blocks north ..you wouldn’t draw a 1/4 radius around grand central station, right?

    shit it’s like a two or three block walk to just walk up the stairs through three levels and exit the station….

    go to ballston VA or bethesda maryland and you will see a profusion of towers and rowhouses and about 6000 condo and apt. units and 50 restaurants where there used to be sprawly lowrise strip malls and no density…..and these nodes of density around the metro stations extend far beyond your 1.4 mile circle.

    meanwhile right here in seattle wehave the northgate station next to a freeway and down in tukwila we have a station both next to a freeway and in the middle of absolutely nowhere.

    the point is, while the station siting in bellevue may be “less than ideal” to portray it as a “complete disaster” is not only wrong but clearly disengenuous. seriously, a freeway station in northgate is fine, one in bellevue is the end of the world. riiiiiight.

  • dave

    No, it’s not all about current zoning. You can’t rezone a freeway. Doesn’t matter how much you rezone the developable land — there’s still a lot more of it (developable land, that is) with the transit center location vs. the I-405 location.

  • dave

    No, it’s not all about current zoning. You can’t rezone a freeway. Doesn’t matter how much you rezone the developable land — there’s still a lot more of it (developable land, that is) with the transit center location vs. the I-405 location.

  • flojoflojo

    Spending an additional $430 MM on a tunnel doesn't appear to generate higher usage. The transit study revealed ridership would rise only 5%. That means the additional cost per passenger after 50 years of use is $9 – that's way too high and not worth it.

    You can read the analysis at http://www.pacificnorthwestcoastbias.com/tunnel…