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Tunnel Will Include Two Massive Ventilation Buildings

During a presentation last week about the impacts tunnel construction will have on Pioneer Square, city and state transportation planners described proposed new tunnel as an “amazing” chance to redevelop the area into a dense, urban, transit-oriented community. Steve Pearce, viaduct program manager for the city’s transportation department (SDOT), called tunnel construction “a major opportunity … to really reshape a part of the city and create a more urban place, a more habitable place… while meeting our transportation objectives.”

One element of the tunnel planners barely mentioned at last week’s meeting, however, could prove a significant barrier to that goal: Two massive ventilation buildings, one at each end of the tunnel, equipped with huge fans that that would pull air out of the tunnel in case of an emergency. These buildings would be as tall as 65 feet in the south end and 85 feet in the north; would be largely vacant, especially during off-peak hours; and would include no street-level uses, creating a block-long dead space between Dearborn and King Streets to the south, and between Harrison and Thomas Streets to the north.

Yesterday, tunnel planners at the state transportation department (WSDOT) told me they’re doing everything they can to minimize the negative impact of empty buildings on the street, including making the buildings (which are being designed by local architecture firm NBBJ) as transparent as possible, to allow people to watch the fans at work. “We want it to be open to the public, so that even if there’s not a public use, it isn’t walled off,” Ron Paananen, WSDOT’s viaduct replacement project manager, said.

The north portal ventilation building.

WSDOT planners also pointed out that removing the viaduct will open up acres of land for new mixed-use development to the south.

And they said the state is also looking at whether the south building  could include some street-level uses (which aren’t currently part of the plan) such as storefronts and a public plaza. However, the north vent building—occupying a full block between Harrison and Thomas Streets, which will reconnect the streets north and south of Aurora Avenue—will have a maintenance shop at street level, with parking for industrial machinery and trucks, precluding any pedestrian-friendly uses.

And as critics of the project note, it’s not like even a pretty six-to-eight-story ventilation building will be a plus for the neighborhood. “[The buildings will be] big and bulky, and there’s going to be a huge amount of air flow, so they might be noisy,” says Cary Moon, founder of the People’s Waterfront Coalition. On the south end, she adds, the vent building will be “one more blow against that area being a walkable, pedestrian-oriented place.”


  • Giffy

    I don’t know, some well designed (transparent!) industrialish buildings need not be a bad thing. And really we gain a lot more not having the viaduct or Moon’s waterfront Aurora, I’m sorry 4 lane urban boulevard, that I could care less about a little space lost to some ventilation buildings.

  • Giffy

    I don’t know, some well designed (transparent!) industrialish buildings need not be a bad thing. And really we gain a lot more not having the viaduct or Moon’s waterfront Aurora, I’m sorry 4 lane urban boulevard, that I could care less about a little space lost to some ventilation buildings.

  • ivan

    “will have a maintenance shop at street level, with parking for industrial machinery and trucks, precluding any pedestrian-friendly uses.”

    Because maintenance shops and parking lots for industrial machinery and trucks should be designed so that people can walk through them?
    -
    Maybe all maintenance shops should come with Internet cafes and free wi-fi, so that they can be more “vibrant.”

  • ivan

    “will have a maintenance shop at street level, with parking for industrial machinery and trucks, precluding any pedestrian-friendly uses.”

    Because maintenance shops and parking lots for industrial machinery and trucks should be designed so that people can walk through them?
    -
    Maybe all maintenance shops should come with Internet cafes and free wi-fi, so that they can be more “vibrant.”

  • Miley and Durrow

    Tea Partiers should stop paying for Seattle madness.

  • Miley and Durrow

    Tea Partiers should stop paying for Seattle madness.

  • gloomy gus

    I walked my labradoodle through a maintenance shop the other day and heard some very salty language.

  • gloomy gus

    I walked my labradoodle through a maintenance shop the other day and heard some very salty language.

  • Transpo Guy

    Giffy: When WSDOT is done with this thing, you’ll get both a heavily trafficked waterfront Aurora and a $2b tunnel. And with the tolls and lack of downtown exits, all the traffic will be on the waterfront. Those Republican engineers down in Olympia will continually degrade the design of this thing in the interest of “value engineering” to avoid those cost overruns. They don’t give a shit about what they do to Seattle, nor does the governor, nor the Port, nor the Chamber of Commerce.

  • Transpo Guy

    Giffy: When WSDOT is done with this thing, you’ll get both a heavily trafficked waterfront Aurora and a $2b tunnel. And with the tolls and lack of downtown exits, all the traffic will be on the waterfront. Those Republican engineers down in Olympia will continually degrade the design of this thing in the interest of “value engineering” to avoid those cost overruns. They don’t give a shit about what they do to Seattle, nor does the governor, nor the Port, nor the Chamber of Commerce.

  • Timothy

    giffy…have you been to the Embarcadero in SF in the past few years? Well designed boulevards and public space look and function nothing like Aurora; you’re argument is a self-serving straw man.

  • Timothy

    giffy…have you been to the Embarcadero in SF in the past few years? Well designed boulevards and public space look and function nothing like Aurora; you’re argument is a self-serving straw man.

  • Alex Broner

    Our tunnel will be an unstoppable behemoth until some farm kid in a space ship fires a proton torpedo down the air shaft and destroys it all.

  • Alex Broner

    Our tunnel will be an unstoppable behemoth until some farm kid in a space ship fires a proton torpedo down the air shaft and destroys it all.

  • Keo

    Don’t mind the massive ventilation towers at UW-

    http://www.reacttheatre.org/artist/images_artists/marileeveniegas/images_signs/redsquare02.jpg

    Definitely the least of my worries compared to the massive cost and encouragement of commuting via SOV.

  • Keo

    Don’t mind the massive ventilation towers at UW-

    http://www.reacttheatre.org/artist/images_artists/marileeveniegas/images_signs/redsquare02.jpg

    Definitely the least of my worries compared to the massive cost and encouragement of commuting via SOV.

  • Giffy

    Timothy,
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    The Embarcadero, at least the nice parts, is much wider than we have to work on the waterfront. Thanks to existing development and geography we have much less to work with than SF did. The Embarcadero also carried much less traffic and was not only one of two North-South corridors.

  • Giffy

    Timothy,
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    The Embarcadero, at least the nice parts, is much wider than we have to work on the waterfront. Thanks to existing development and geography we have much less to work with than SF did. The Embarcadero also carried much less traffic and was not only one of two North-South corridors.

  • http://www.worldchanging.com/ Alex Steffen

    Worth remembering what those fans are ventilating: CO2 emissions and hazardous pollution. They are a concrete embodiment of the environmental costs of the traffic the tunnel will create/facilitate. A more strident person than myself might suggest they should be decorated with paintings of dead polar bears and starving children, or shaped in the form of a melting iceberg.

  • http://www.worldchanging.com Alex Steffen

    Worth remembering what those fans are ventilating: CO2 emissions and hazardous pollution. They are a concrete embodiment of the environmental costs of the traffic the tunnel will create/facilitate. A more strident person than myself might suggest they should be decorated with paintings of dead polar bears and starving children, or shaped in the form of a melting iceberg.

  • morning fizzy

    One element of the tunnel planners barely mentioned at last week’s meeting, however, could prove a significant barrier to that goal: Two massive ventilation buildings, one at each end of the tunnel, equipped with huge fans that that would pull air out of the tunnel in case of an emergency..

    I don’t see why these will only be for an emergency. Unless cars driving in the tunnel is considered an emergency. Or are there other fans running 24/7 to pull out the regular car exhaust?

    The tunnel has been recognized by many as the worst choice environmentally. The fans, lights and water pumps will need to run 24/7 for as long as the tunnel lasts. In addition, the GH gases released during construction will surely exceed all other options.

    This is the great legacy of the jolly green mayor Nickels.

  • morning fizzy

    One element of the tunnel planners barely mentioned at last week’s meeting, however, could prove a significant barrier to that goal: Two massive ventilation buildings, one at each end of the tunnel, equipped with huge fans that that would pull air out of the tunnel in case of an emergency..

    I don’t see why these will only be for an emergency. Unless cars driving in the tunnel is considered an emergency. Or are there other fans running 24/7 to pull out the regular car exhaust?

    The tunnel has been recognized by many as the worst choice environmentally. The fans, lights and water pumps will need to run 24/7 for as long as the tunnel lasts. In addition, the GH gases released during construction will surely exceed all other options.

    This is the great legacy of the jolly green mayor Nickels.

  • Joshua Daniel Franklin

    Thanks for publiziting this. Just because the bored tunnel has a bullet point that says “reconnect the street grid” doesn’t mean it will really happen in any sort of meaningful way. For another example you might check out the Mercer Phase II project.

  • Joshua Daniel Franklin

    Thanks for publiziting this. Just because the bored tunnel has a bullet point that says “reconnect the street grid” doesn’t mean it will really happen in any sort of meaningful way. For another example you might check out the Mercer Phase II project.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    “so they might”, Cary Moon

    Is Cary Moon going to “might” a story for you through this whole project?
    You don’t think something is pretty?
    Is that what this has been reduced to now?

    Btw, pretty costs money, and they have to stay within the estimate.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    “so they might”, Cary Moon

    Is Cary Moon going to “might” a story for you through this whole project?
    You don’t think something is pretty?
    Is that what this has been reduced to now?

    Btw, pretty costs money, and they have to stay within the estimate.

  • bubba

    @gloomy gus

    you have a salty labradoodle? i’d pay $5 to see that.

  • bubba

    @gloomy gus

    you have a salty labradoodle? i’d pay $5 to see that.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    I wonder if the Dutch had people complaining about those ugly machines they use to grind grain with. I bet they did.
    Maybe it went like this…
    Cary Maan, zijn “Windmills lelijk, bezaaid het platteland.”

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    I wonder if the Dutch had people complaining about those ugly machines they use to grind grain with. I bet they did.
    Maybe it went like this…
    Cary Maan, zijn “Windmills lelijk, bezaaid het platteland.”

  • David Miller

    Alex, the fans will be ventilating the same thing that would be released into the air — frankly less of it — as would be going into the air from the cars using the street option.

    Cary is going to have to explain how creating two pedestrian-level, multi-lane streets on the waterfront is “pedestrian friendly”.

    The tunnel is expensive and will have overruns if Council fails in their responsibility to closely examine costs and contracts, but it is the best solution for a world class, pedestrian-friendly waterfront that respects the investment our city has made in Pike Place Market.

    Anyone who loves the Pike Place Market would prefer these two buildings at either end of the tunnel than the terrible impact the street option would have on the Market.

  • David Miller

    Alex, the fans will be ventilating the same thing that would be released into the air — frankly less of it — as would be going into the air from the cars using the street option.

    Cary is going to have to explain how creating two pedestrian-level, multi-lane streets on the waterfront is “pedestrian friendly”.

    The tunnel is expensive and will have overruns if Council fails in their responsibility to closely examine costs and contracts, but it is the best solution for a world class, pedestrian-friendly waterfront that respects the investment our city has made in Pike Place Market.

    Anyone who loves the Pike Place Market would prefer these two buildings at either end of the tunnel than the terrible impact the street option would have on the Market.

  • ya betcha

    i don’t know what the fuss is all about.

    the near 2 million people moving to the puget sound region , 300,000 into Seattle, are all coming without cars

  • ya betcha

    i don’t know what the fuss is all about.

    the near 2 million people moving to the puget sound region , 300,000 into Seattle, are all coming without cars

  • Anonymous

    I vote for [Alex Steffen]‘s comment for comment of the day. Hey, what ever happened to comment of the day?

  • Matt the Engineer

    I vote for [Alex Steffen]‘s comment for comment of the day. Hey, what ever happened to comment of the day?

  • Les Pasif

    those ventilation buildings should be decorated with paintings of dead polar bears and starving children, or shaped in the form of a melting iceberg! @#%@!!!!

  • Les Pasif

    those ventilation buildings should be decorated with paintings of dead polar bears and starving children, or shaped in the form of a melting iceberg! @#%@!!!!

  • Joshua Daniel Franklin

    Turns out the bored tunnel cost estimates have already increased by $60m now that it’s slightly more than 1% engineered:
    http://rss.sightline.org/daily_score/archive/2010/02/04/the-bored-tunnels-60-million-cost-increase

    The cost estimate increase is because the viable route is actually 7% longer than the original plan. Don’t worry, though, they cut $156m out of budgeted risk to pay for it.

    By the way, who’s responsible for extra costs? I just can’t remember.

  • Joshua Daniel Franklin

    Turns out the bored tunnel cost estimates have already increased by $60m now that it’s slightly more than 1% engineered:
    http://rss.sightline.org/daily_score/archive/2010/02/04/the-bored-tunnels-60-million-cost-increase

    The cost estimate increase is because the viable route is actually 7% longer than the original plan. Don’t worry, though, they cut $156m out of budgeted risk to pay for it.

    By the way, who’s responsible for extra costs? I just can’t remember.

  • http://www.worldchanging.com/ Alex Steffen

    “the fans will be ventilating the same thing that would be released into the air — frankly less of it — as would be going into the air from the cars using the street option.’

    David, I’d like to see you try to document that claim.

    That said, I agree we should have a world class waterfront: that’s why I think we ought to just cowboy up and follow the lead of many other cities and turn the whole thing into a park, and use the money save on light rail and BRT lanes connecting the rest of the city.

  • http://www.worldchanging.com Alex Steffen

    “the fans will be ventilating the same thing that would be released into the air — frankly less of it — as would be going into the air from the cars using the street option.’

    David, I’d like to see you try to document that claim.

    That said, I agree we should have a world class waterfront: that’s why I think we ought to just cowboy up and follow the lead of many other cities and turn the whole thing into a park, and use the money save on light rail and BRT lanes connecting the rest of the city.

  • Seriously?

    “Polar bears painted on the side..” If you really want to paint, you should paint them along the large retaining walls on I-5, that is 12 lanes wide, the new tunnel will only be 4. Yes, the vent buildings are in case of fire, smaller fans located at each end will do the venitilation work on a daily basis. Vent buildings early design is by NBBJ (they designed Safeco Field). Design-Build team will need to follow criteria, and have reviews throught the Seattle Design Commission.
    By moving the tunnel alignment away from 1st Avenue, and all the old, histroric buildings, they added some length (and cost), but definately reduced risk to damage of those buildings. This is a smart move, as projected settlement to the buildings along 1st would have resulted in costly damage claims. Also, I don’t totally buy the talk that there are “no downtown exits”.. People can exit at Dearborn Street. So if you work in Pioneer Square, its about 5 blocks away, if you work in the financial district, its about 10 blocks. Were you expecting “door-to-door” service?

  • Seriously?

    “Polar bears painted on the side..” If you really want to paint, you should paint them along the large retaining walls on I-5, that is 12 lanes wide, the new tunnel will only be 4. Yes, the vent buildings are in case of fire, smaller fans located at each end will do the venitilation work on a daily basis. Vent buildings early design is by NBBJ (they designed Safeco Field). Design-Build team will need to follow criteria, and have reviews throught the Seattle Design Commission.
    By moving the tunnel alignment away from 1st Avenue, and all the old, histroric buildings, they added some length (and cost), but definately reduced risk to damage of those buildings. This is a smart move, as projected settlement to the buildings along 1st would have resulted in costly damage claims. Also, I don’t totally buy the talk that there are “no downtown exits”.. People can exit at Dearborn Street. So if you work in Pioneer Square, its about 5 blocks away, if you work in the financial district, its about 10 blocks. Were you expecting “door-to-door” service?

  • Seriously?

    @ Alex Steffen: “..turn the whole thing into a park, and use the money save on light rail and BRT lanes connecting the rest of the city.” Really? Lets see, $2.4 billion is WSDOT funds, do you think they are just going to hand it over to the City to let them build transit? No, they can’t. Its from gas-tax money that the voters agreed to, with targets for specific projects. They state can’t by law do what you are suggesting. They could potentially shift it to SR-520 funding however…

  • Seriously?

    @ Alex Steffen: “..turn the whole thing into a park, and use the money save on light rail and BRT lanes connecting the rest of the city.” Really? Lets see, $2.4 billion is WSDOT funds, do you think they are just going to hand it over to the City to let them build transit? No, they can’t. Its from gas-tax money that the voters agreed to, with targets for specific projects. They state can’t by law do what you are suggesting. They could potentially shift it to SR-520 funding however…

  • vlado

    ECB: This isn’t news. The ventilation towers have been part of the plan for well over a year. As for their impact on the surroundings, I predict that they turn out to be beautiful structures. NBBJ is an excellent design firm.

  • vlado

    ECB: This isn’t news. The ventilation towers have been part of the plan for well over a year. As for their impact on the surroundings, I predict that they turn out to be beautiful structures. NBBJ is an excellent design firm.

  • Mickymse

    @ Giffy: Actually, the Embarcadero carried about the same number of vehicles as the current Viaduct does.

    To Erica: Any word on emergency evacuation exits? I assume they will need to have a couple of locations along the length of the tunnel. Or would drivers simply evacuate to a small separate shaft that would be ventilated by these two buildings, and move to the portal exits at either end?

  • Mickymse

    @ Giffy: Actually, the Embarcadero carried about the same number of vehicles as the current Viaduct does.

    To Erica: Any word on emergency evacuation exits? I assume they will need to have a couple of locations along the length of the tunnel. Or would drivers simply evacuate to a small separate shaft that would be ventilated by these two buildings, and move to the portal exits at either end?

  • Giffy

    @Mickymse Embarcadero carried 70k. The viaduct 110k. That’s not about the same. They also served different purposes with the Embarcadero having been part of plan that was never completed and the Viaduct being the central link in a completed and important highway. It was not nearly as vital a corridor as the hwy 99, especially for shipping and business.

  • Giffy

    @Mickymse Embarcadero carried 70k. The viaduct 110k. That’s not about the same. They also served different purposes with the Embarcadero having been part of plan that was never completed and the Viaduct being the central link in a completed and important highway. It was not nearly as vital a corridor as the hwy 99, especially for shipping and business.

  • Michael J. Maddux

    @Alex Steffen:
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    The ventilation includes filters to scrub the exhaust, and would, actually, reduce CO2 emissions, much more so than the cars being in the open air with no scrubbing of exhaust.

  • Michael J. Maddux

    @Alex Steffen:
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    The ventilation includes filters to scrub the exhaust, and would, actually, reduce CO2 emissions, much more so than the cars being in the open air with no scrubbing of exhaust.

  • Gomez

    I’m a bit tired of the ignorant and fallacious Embarcadero parallels to the viaduct, when neither road is at all similar outside of being elevated urban freeways. The Embarcadero was a spur that carried traffic to and from the city’s core, while the viaduct is designed to help thru traffic bypass the otherwise cramped and cumbersome Downtown corridor. The Embarcadero didn’t serve as big a motor transportation purpose for San Francisco as the viaduct does for Seattle.

  • Gomez

    I’m a bit tired of the ignorant and fallacious Embarcadero parallels to the viaduct, when neither road is at all similar outside of being elevated urban freeways. The Embarcadero was a spur that carried traffic to and from the city’s core, while the viaduct is designed to help thru traffic bypass the otherwise cramped and cumbersome Downtown corridor. The Embarcadero didn’t serve as big a motor transportation purpose for San Francisco as the viaduct does for Seattle.

  • jeff

    That design would be much more interesting than just having windows.