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City Council Sternly Questions McGinn’s Seawall Proposal

This post has been updated.

The city council just sent a sternly worded letter to Mayor Mike McGinn, questioning his proposal to send a $241 million bond measure to voters in May to pay for replacing the deteriorating downtown waterfront seawall.

As first reported on PubliCola last week, the city council was blindsided by McGinn’s surprise proposal, which he announced without giving any prior notice to most council members. (The council has the ultimate authority to put any bonding measure on the ballot).

The council’s letter, which every council member except Mike O’Brien (a fellow tunnel opponent and longtime ally of McGinn’s) signed, calls for a “comprehensive project plan” for replacing the Alaskan Way Viaduct and the seawall, and notes that the city’s department of transportation (SDOT) has already put out a call for design teams to replace the seawall, with construction to be completed by 2015. (McGinn’s plan would move that date up a year).

“Have you received recent information that causes you to recommend modifications to the sewall replacement schedule presented by SDOT? If so, please provide Council with that information,” the letter says.

Council transportation committee chair Tom Rasmussen, who drafted the letter last week along with freshman council member Sally Bagshaw, says he doesn’t understand why the city would want to “take this question to the voters in May, at a cost of a million dollars [the cost of running a special election], and fund it with property tax dollars? The project is already underway. We need to think this through and stay on schedule.”

“He has to provide answers to these questions before I would vote yes or no,” Rasmussen says. “He certainly doesn’t have a ‘yes’ vote from me at this point.”

The letter also points out that the council just requested an analysis of three potential funding sources—an increase in the parking tax, a local tax on businesses around the viaduct, and a transportation benefit district. “We are open to considering other ideas, such as a bond issue or levy, but the Council feels that it is very important that we have a comprehensive plan so that the public and elected decision makers are fully informed about what to expect over time.”

Finally, the letter points out that off-cycle elections (i.e. a special election in May) are expensive, and that there are other city programs and projects that need funding. “The City has asked its citizens for a great deal these past few years and the people of Seattle have been very generous. Voters expect and deserve predictability and a sound financial strategy before we ask again.”

O’Brien, the only council member who didn’t sign the letter, says he believes the seawall should be separated from the question of viaduct replacement. “There’s a series of big questions that need to be answered on the tunnel before it moves forward, and I don’t think the seawall project should be held up in that debate.” And he worries that the push by the rest of the council for a “comprehensive funding plan” is code for building the seawall as part of viaduct replacement; “I would not be supportive of going to voters with a billion-dollar package with a bunch of different things that some people want and some people don’t,” he says.

In an email, McGinn’s spokesman Aaron Pickus said, “The mayor will be speaking with councilmembers on Monday and looks forward to answering their questions and engaging on this topic then.”




  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    While you’re at it, report on the newly released WSDOT estimate fir the tunnel.

    http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/2010/01/wsdot-alaskan-way-viaduct-and-seawall.html

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    While you’re at it, report on the newly released WSDOT estimate fir the tunnel.

    http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/2010/01/wsdot-alaskan-way-viaduct-and-seawall.html

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    January 19, 2010 at 6:26 pmMr. Baker
    While you’re at it, report on the newly released WSDOT estimate for the tunnel.
    http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/2010/01/wsdot-alaskan-way-viaduct-and-seawall.html

    I keep tapping the i when going for the o.
    Oh well.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    January 19, 2010 at 6:26 pmMr. Baker
    While you’re at it, report on the newly released WSDOT estimate for the tunnel.
    http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/2010/01/wsdot-alaskan-way-viaduct-and-seawall.html

    I keep tapping the i when going for the o.
    Oh well.

  • Good Grief

    Looks like O’Brien is making lots of new friends. The Pretty Boy’s going to have to decide if he really wants to hitch his wagon to the McGinn free-for-all express.

  • Good Grief

    Looks like O’Brien is making lots of new friends. The Pretty Boy’s going to have to decide if he really wants to hitch his wagon to the McGinn free-for-all express.

  • Matt the Engineer

    From the letter: “The last single-issue public vote over the Alaskan Way Viaduct Replacement option in 2007 cost the City more than $1 million and King County confirms that we would be faced with a similar price tag on a single-issue election this May.”

    Wait a second. Do mail-in-only elections really cost about the same as open poll elections? If so, why did we switch to mail-in-only?

  • Matt the Engineer

    From the letter: “The last single-issue public vote over the Alaskan Way Viaduct Replacement option in 2007 cost the City more than $1 million and King County confirms that we would be faced with a similar price tag on a single-issue election this May.”

    Wait a second. Do mail-in-only elections really cost about the same as open poll elections? If so, why did we switch to mail-in-only?

  • Stacy

    Is the City Council committed to having a comprehensive and integrated plan to pay for the cost overruns? The City is responsible for this portion of the project.

    Does the Council remember that in the 2007 special election Seattle voters voted No and Hell No? That election also used $1 million of public money.

    Was the Council decision to move forward with the deep bore tunnel project (last October, 3 weeks before the election, before the project had any real financing plan or cost estimates) made in a comprehensive, organized, inclusive and transparent manner?

    How does the Council feel about $5 peak-hour one way tolls on the tunnel? Mr. Baker is correct when calling for some serious analysis of the WSDOT Tolling and Cost Estimate study released today.

    Just asking.

  • SeattleJay

    Just the 1st act in a 4 year fiasco that is the McGinn administration.

    Paying a bozo 6 figures to be a part-time mayor/full-time cyclist, AND having him come up w/ these great ideas?

  • SeattleJay

    Just the 1st act in a 4 year fiasco that is the McGinn administration.

    Paying a bozo 6 figures to be a part-time mayor/full-time cyclist, AND having him come up w/ these great ideas?

  • Crazy Man

    “The project is already underway”

    Well, ok, let’s all just lay down and die right now…

  • Crazy Man

    “The project is already underway”

    Well, ok, let’s all just lay down and die right now…

  • hmmm

    wow the council has a backbone, looking good guys (and girls)!

  • hmmm

    wow the council has a backbone, looking good guys (and girls)!

  • Dave

    “Well, ok, let’s all just lay down and die right now…”

    Oh no, you’re Seattlites, you need to keep b*tching about this for at least another 10 yrs. Think monorail, you still haven’t shut the f**k up about that one.

  • Dave

    “Well, ok, let’s all just lay down and die right now…”

    Oh no, you’re Seattlites, you need to keep b*tching about this for at least another 10 yrs. Think monorail, you still haven’t shut the f**k up about that one.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    The tolling scenarios do not look too bad (not that I will ever pay it) but at least 3 fully fund the first 400 (remember, the legislature authorized another 400 million in tolling, if needed).

    Also, the rise of 60 million for the tunnel at 15% of design is pretty good. They still have more then 400 million in risk to burn or bank.

    I will keep coming back to this, the state’s tunnel is not my biggest worry, it is the city’s portion. That goes for a surface option, too. Look at the foot dragging, hand wringing, 520 situation.

    There is a reason the legislature is pushing bills that move state projects past the Seattle bullshit machine.

    Mercer-west will get drassed up with all kinds of fluff. Then we “need” a pramanade. Really? More space for Hempfest needs 196 million dollars? WTF.

    I am glad the state’s road is near its estimate and heading below the ground.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    The tolling scenarios do not look too bad (not that I will ever pay it) but at least 3 fully fund the first 400 (remember, the legislature authorized another 400 million in tolling, if needed).

    Also, the rise of 60 million for the tunnel at 15% of design is pretty good. They still have more then 400 million in risk to burn or bank.

    I will keep coming back to this, the state’s tunnel is not my biggest worry, it is the city’s portion. That goes for a surface option, too. Look at the foot dragging, hand wringing, 520 situation.

    There is a reason the legislature is pushing bills that move state projects past the Seattle bullshit machine.

    Mercer-west will get drassed up with all kinds of fluff. Then we “need” a pramanade. Really? More space for Hempfest needs 196 million dollars? WTF.

    I am glad the state’s road is near its estimate and heading below the ground.

  • Progressive

    It is getting interesting!!! The citizens of Seattle are not ready for 2.9 billion cost of the Tunnel. I think we should take care of the SEA_WALL first

  • Progressive

    It is getting interesting!!! The citizens of Seattle are not ready for 2.9 billion cost of the Tunnel. I think we should take care of the SEA_WALL first

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Well, Progressive, do you know how this is financed, what is currently covered by the state through current legislation.

    At this point Seattle is on the hook if Seattle drives through the tunnel and pays the toll.
    The state’s road that goes underground is still within the legislation.

    The estimate would have to consume 400 million in risk before your statement had weight.

    As it is, the tunnel is on plan.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    Well, Progressive, do you know how this is financed, what is currently covered by the state through current legislation.

    At this point Seattle is on the hook if Seattle drives through the tunnel and pays the toll.
    The state’s road that goes underground is still within the legislation.

    The estimate would have to consume 400 million in risk before your statement had weight.

    As it is, the tunnel is on plan.

  • Soapboxin’

    Mike O’Brien subtext – “We’re gonna delay/obstruct the tunnel, but we don’t wanna delay/obstruct the seawall.” Very transparent. You can see right through it.

    Sigh. Whatever the decision turns out to be, we all have to live with it. As I learned in school, we (meaning the Governor) have to make an irrevocable decision based on incomplete information.

    Or we could be obstructionists and go back to the drawing board. Gee, that sounds like fun…

  • Soapboxin’

    Mike O’Brien subtext – “We’re gonna delay/obstruct the tunnel, but we don’t wanna delay/obstruct the seawall.” Very transparent. You can see right through it.

    Sigh. Whatever the decision turns out to be, we all have to live with it. As I learned in school, we (meaning the Governor) have to make an irrevocable decision based on incomplete information.

    Or we could be obstructionists and go back to the drawing board. Gee, that sounds like fun…

  • Turf Warrior

    Hey, hey, you, you get off of my cloud.

  • Turf Warrior

    Hey, hey, you, you get off of my cloud.

  • Huh??

    When the Council turns into the collective voice of reason on City policy strategy, we should all be very, very afraid.

  • Huh??

    When the Council turns into the collective voice of reason on City policy strategy, we should all be very, very afraid.

  • troy

    do you think the mayor’s office knows that if they hold a special election it will cost the city almost a million dollars????

  • troy

    do you think the mayor’s office knows that if they hold a special election it will cost the city almost a million dollars????

  • serial catowner

    ‘Progressive’ has pretty much nailed it. A bunch of people who couldn”t tell a seawall from a firewall a week ago have suddenly realized THERE IS AN EMERGENCY! FIX THE SEAWALL FIRST!

    Cue the barking dogs. This is McGinn’s specialty.

  • serial catowner

    ‘Progressive’ has pretty much nailed it. A bunch of people who couldn”t tell a seawall from a firewall a week ago have suddenly realized THERE IS AN EMERGENCY! FIX THE SEAWALL FIRST!

    Cue the barking dogs. This is McGinn’s specialty.

  • Chris Stefan

    Mr. Baker
    I’m extremely skeptical of the ability of the state to raise $800 million or even $400 million via tolling just 99 through downtown Seattle.

    Even a small toll will be enough to divert some motorists to alternate routes, with more and more motorists diverting as the price goes higher.

    At the very least I suspect tolling will be necessary on I-5 in order to make the 99 tolls work. Even then that would cause a fair number of people to take surface streets in order to avoid the tolls.

  • Chris Stefan

    Mr. Baker
    I’m extremely skeptical of the ability of the state to raise $800 million or even $400 million via tolling just 99 through downtown Seattle.

    Even a small toll will be enough to divert some motorists to alternate routes, with more and more motorists diverting as the price goes higher.

    At the very least I suspect tolling will be necessary on I-5 in order to make the 99 tolls work. Even then that would cause a fair number of people to take surface streets in order to avoid the tolls.

  • http://www.worldchanging.com/ Alex Steffen

    “the Seattle bullshit machine” a.k.a. the democratic process.

  • http://www.worldchanging.com Alex Steffen

    “the Seattle bullshit machine” a.k.a. the democratic process.

  • Wells

    Seattlers (both politically Left and Right) are penny-wise and pound-foolish. The question to ask is NOT whether the Deep-bore tunnel is affordable, but whether it’s a good plan; NOT whether the Deep-bore is “stakeholder-approved”, but whether it will serve the “public” purpose.

    In both those regards, WSDOT’s Scenario ‘G’ 4-lane cut-cover tunnel option serves the public purpose far better and at a lower price. In at least dozen additional and critically important ways, the 4-lane cut-cover tunnel is the wise choice.

  • Wells

    Seattlers (both politically Left and Right) are penny-wise and pound-foolish. The question to ask is NOT whether the Deep-bore tunnel is affordable, but whether it’s a good plan; NOT whether the Deep-bore is “stakeholder-approved”, but whether it will serve the “public” purpose.

    In both those regards, WSDOT’s Scenario ‘G’ 4-lane cut-cover tunnel option serves the public purpose far better and at a lower price. In at least dozen additional and critically important ways, the 4-lane cut-cover tunnel is the wise choice.

  • Stacy

    Is the City Council committed to having a comprehensive and integrated plan to pay for the cost overruns? The City is responsible for this portion of the project.

    Does the Council remember that in the 2007 special election Seattle voters voted No and Hell No? That election also used $1 million of public money.

    Was the Council decision to move forward with the deep bore tunnel project (last October, 3 weeks before the election, before the project had any real financing plan or cost estimates) made in a comprehensive, organized, inclusive and transparent manner?

    How does the Council feel about $5 peak-hour one way tolls on the tunnel? Mr. Baker is correct when calling for some serious analysis of the WSDOT Tolling and Cost Estimate study released today.

    Just asking.

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