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Nightlife Folks, Downtown Biz Association Jointly Pushing for More Cops Downtown

When I was down at City Hall last week, I spied Five Point owner and local music promoter Dave Meinert (along with other nightlife-industry folks) scurrying down the hallway toward Tim Burgess’ office, flanked by a pack of suits from the Downtown Seattle Association. Curious what the two groups could possibly be meeting about, I called the DSA’s Jon Scholes.

Turns out the DSA and the Seattle Nightlife Advisory Board have found common ground on the question of police presence downtown, which the nightlife group announced as a top priority earlier this week.

“I think it’s safe to say that in the recent past, we haven’t collaborated with [the nightlife community] at all, [but] we have a lot of common ground on urban issues, public safety being one,” Scholes says. “Our members and others downtown have definitely noticed general street disorder getting worse over the last year.”

Burgess, who set up the meetings, says he “wanted to open the lines of communication” between nightlife representatives and downtown business interests. “The two groups have very similar aims, and during the meeting, that was quite obvious,” he says.

Clubs and downtown business interests have frequently found themselves at odds in the past, in part because bar and club owners have resented efforts to make them legally accountable for the behavior of their patrons.

“The nightlife community has had a really rocky relationship with the DSA over the years, because we’ve been on opposite sides of issues like the Teen Dance Ordinance,” which made it prohibitively difficult to hold all-ages shows, Meinert says. “I had a very negative opinion of them before, but it does seem like they’ve changed.”

Meinert says both nightlife businesses and the traditional daytime businesses the DSA represents have an interest in reducing petty street crime, like aggressive panhandling. (Burgess plans to introduce a fleshed-out version of his controversial proposed ban on aggressive panhandling in January). “If you want to decrease street crime, you need more cops on the street, and that’s what the DSA is saying as well.”

The club owners’ new outspoken desire for more police presence may reflect a new, post-Sidran (and -Nickels) era at the city: If club owners believe they can trust the city not to burn them (by passing onerous regulations, like the controversial nightlife license proposal), they’re more likely to see the city as an ally, not an obstacle.




  • Meinert

    Erica – one thing I left out – I think the whole city has changed not just the DSA. And that includes a lot of the music community. What we all seem to know now, is by politicians and cops being pro-music, while venue owners and promoters are pro-safety, and by working together on these issues, we create a better city. A safer city. And a city with a more vibrant creative community.

    Props to Burgess for seeing this and for getting folks together. He’s proving to be an intelligent force for good in Seattle.

  • Meinert

    Erica – one thing I left out – I think the whole city has changed not just the DSA. And that includes a lot of the music community. What we all seem to know now, is by politicians and cops being pro-music, while venue owners and promoters are pro-safety, and by working together on these issues, we create a better city. A safer city. And a city with a more vibrant creative community.

    Props to Burgess for seeing this and for getting folks together. He’s proving to be an intelligent force for good in Seattle.

  • Jon Scholes

    what Dave said.

  • Jon Scholes

    what Dave said.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    How will downtown pay for more cops? I have just enough in my neighborhood, and see no great need for more police.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    How will downtown pay for more cops? I have just enough in my neighborhood, and see no great need for more police.

  • TooBadSeattle

    Tim Burgess is great for Seattle and is doing an excellent job. He understands the value of community partnerships as THE only solution. Seattle is lucky to have him with a new mayor and new elected officials. Meinert, no one is anti-music or anti-business in the public safety equation. That was a nice political soundbite for the kids to help un-elect Tom Carr for you. Be realistic here. Everyone loves a vibrant Seattle: its residents, its tourists, its businesses. What’s really troubling, though, is that your boy Pete Holmes is undoing the very successful pro-community public safety policies developed by the City Attorney’s office that he vowed to keep before the election. Community prosecution is a good example, where “good neighbor agreements” were developed by community prosecutors with bars and clubs so that businesses could stay open while reducing noise and public impact. These programs are innovative, progressive policies developed by Tom Carr and the Public and Community Safety Division to stop the “cycle of jail time” for chronic alcoholics and folks needing public services. Now you are running to City Council asking for more police officers. How ironic. Are you really in favor of just more police officers as the answer to these problems? Your boy, Pete Holmes, doesn’t have a very good record of instilling confidence with the police or working with them to solve problems. It’s doubtful he’ll build anything close to a successful working partnership with anyone given his record. Are you sure that you don’t have a personal grudge against the City Attorney’s office because of the 7 hour deposition you sat through that you mentioned in the subsequent article (see below about firings at the City Attorney’s Office)? Do your fellow Nightlife & Music Association members know about your personal crusade? Do they know that the City Attorney’s Office under Tom Carr had won national awards for state-of-the-art solutions to “quality of life” issues the downtown businesses faced with aggressive panhandlers, alcoholics, etc.? Do they know that these programs and community partnerships are currently being sacked by Pete Holmes as a spiteful payback at your request for financing his campaign for City Attorney? What kind of a partnership is this where you destroy alliances and community solutions so that you can ask for more police officers? Sounds to me like a coup d’ etat.

  • TooBadSeattle

    Tim Burgess is great for Seattle and is doing an excellent job. He understands the value of community partnerships as THE only solution. Seattle is lucky to have him with a new mayor and new elected officials. Meinert, no one is anti-music or anti-business in the public safety equation. That was a nice political soundbite for the kids to help un-elect Tom Carr for you. Be realistic here. Everyone loves a vibrant Seattle: its residents, its tourists, its businesses. What’s really troubling, though, is that your boy Pete Holmes is undoing the very successful pro-community public safety policies developed by the City Attorney’s office that he vowed to keep before the election. Community prosecution is a good example, where “good neighbor agreements” were developed by community prosecutors with bars and clubs so that businesses could stay open while reducing noise and public impact. These programs are innovative, progressive policies developed by Tom Carr and the Public and Community Safety Division to stop the “cycle of jail time” for chronic alcoholics and folks needing public services. Now you are running to City Council asking for more police officers. How ironic. Are you really in favor of just more police officers as the answer to these problems? Your boy, Pete Holmes, doesn’t have a very good record of instilling confidence with the police or working with them to solve problems. It’s doubtful he’ll build anything close to a successful working partnership with anyone given his record. Are you sure that you don’t have a personal grudge against the City Attorney’s office because of the 7 hour deposition you sat through that you mentioned in the subsequent article (see below about firings at the City Attorney’s Office)? Do your fellow Nightlife & Music Association members know about your personal crusade? Do they know that the City Attorney’s Office under Tom Carr had won national awards for state-of-the-art solutions to “quality of life” issues the downtown businesses faced with aggressive panhandlers, alcoholics, etc.? Do they know that these programs and community partnerships are currently being sacked by Pete Holmes as a spiteful payback at your request for financing his campaign for City Attorney? What kind of a partnership is this where you destroy alliances and community solutions so that you can ask for more police officers? Sounds to me like a coup d’ etat.

  • Bah humbug

    Looks like Tom “TooBadSeattle” Carr and his staff have a bit more time on their hands these days.

  • Bah humbug

    Looks like Tom “TooBadSeattle” Carr and his staff have a bit more time on their hands these days.

  • johnmocha

    1) We need significantly more police in Seattle to be on par with cities our size.
    2) We need a police chief who understands how to deploy the cop on the beat to where the problems are versus where the neighborhood is most vocal. Get the equivalent of a Bill Bratton into Seattle to get the best policing for the dollar.
    3) Get effective laws and punishments into place that take the problems off the street and create an effective deterrent to all crimes by perpetrators of all ages.
    4) If you want to legalize pot – fine but legalize both supply and demand. Don’t make this an even greater source of funds and violence for gangs.

  • johnmocha

    1) We need significantly more police in Seattle to be on par with cities our size.
    2) We need a police chief who understands how to deploy the cop on the beat to where the problems are versus where the neighborhood is most vocal. Get the equivalent of a Bill Bratton into Seattle to get the best policing for the dollar.
    3) Get effective laws and punishments into place that take the problems off the street and create an effective deterrent to all crimes by perpetrators of all ages.
    4) If you want to legalize pot – fine but legalize both supply and demand. Don’t make this an even greater source of funds and violence for gangs.

  • Meinert

    @4 – glad we agree on Burgess. My feeling is that Holmes is similar to Burgess in that they are both very smart, very professional, good at listening, desire to bring people together to find solutions, and will bring creative new solutions to the table to solve decades old problems in Seattle.

    As for your “community programs”/”good neighbor agreements” – this is the exact sort of solution we don’t need. An example of their abuse in the last administration – http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=22842. GNA’s are one sided, put unrealistic burdens on businesses, are typically loaded with language that creates an almost impossible operating environment, and are definitely anti-business and are being used as an anti-nightlife and thus anti-music tool. The Nickels/ Carr ‘Nightclub license’ was the same sort of onerous, poorly conceived ordinance. Hardly innovative, definitely not progressive.

    As for the nightlife community’s request for more police – this is a request that dates back probably 8 years. It’s not new (mistake on Erica’s part in the post). We’ve also requested, and been denied, the ability to hire off duty SPD to work outside of nightclub’s. Maybe now this will change as well.

    Bottom line – the election is over. Holmes won by a massive margin. The people of Seattle want a new attitude from the City Attorney’s office. It’s far too early for either of us to judge Holmes’ effectiveness, but I am pretty certain, as I was with Burgess, that Pete will be good for Seattle and help make it a better place to live. The good news is that we don’t have to have theoretical arguments about that. We’ll actually be able to see it and judge it as it happens.

    I am very hopeful for Seattle and King County. I think we have the best Mayor, Council, and City Attorney combo Seattle has seen in decades, possibly ever. And we definitely have the best KC Executive I’ve seen in my lifetime.

  • Meinert

    @4 – glad we agree on Burgess. My feeling is that Holmes is similar to Burgess in that they are both very smart, very professional, good at listening, desire to bring people together to find solutions, and will bring creative new solutions to the table to solve decades old problems in Seattle.

    As for your “community programs”/”good neighbor agreements” – this is the exact sort of solution we don’t need. An example of their abuse in the last administration – http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=22842. GNA’s are one sided, put unrealistic burdens on businesses, are typically loaded with language that creates an almost impossible operating environment, and are definitely anti-business and are being used as an anti-nightlife and thus anti-music tool. The Nickels/ Carr ‘Nightclub license’ was the same sort of onerous, poorly conceived ordinance. Hardly innovative, definitely not progressive.

    As for the nightlife community’s request for more police – this is a request that dates back probably 8 years. It’s not new (mistake on Erica’s part in the post). We’ve also requested, and been denied, the ability to hire off duty SPD to work outside of nightclub’s. Maybe now this will change as well.

    Bottom line – the election is over. Holmes won by a massive margin. The people of Seattle want a new attitude from the City Attorney’s office. It’s far too early for either of us to judge Holmes’ effectiveness, but I am pretty certain, as I was with Burgess, that Pete will be good for Seattle and help make it a better place to live. The good news is that we don’t have to have theoretical arguments about that. We’ll actually be able to see it and judge it as it happens.

    I am very hopeful for Seattle and King County. I think we have the best Mayor, Council, and City Attorney combo Seattle has seen in decades, possibly ever. And we definitely have the best KC Executive I’ve seen in my lifetime.

  • http://www.nightlifeapp.com/ NightLife App

    nightlife is great and more police means more security for everyone
    Promoters post your events on the NightlifeApp.com the app for promoters and party goers!!

  • http://www.nightlifeapp.com NightLife App

    nightlife is great and more police means more security for everyone
    Promoters post your events on the NightlifeApp.com the app for promoters and party goers!!