Merge at a Slight Angle

“… along the right side of Boren Ave…”

Which side is the “right” side? Boren is not a one-way street. Depending on your direction of travel, it could be either.

“… along the right side of Boren Ave…”

Which side is the “right” side? Boren is not a one-way street. Depending on your direction of travel, it could be either.

Regarding item #3 (streetcar and Seattle Likes Bikes): Did you actually read the Seattle Likes Bikes post and/or look at the map before you cited its concern as further evidence against a 12th Avenue/Broadway couplet? A potential hazard at the intersection of 12th and Boren exists with ALL of the proposed route alternatives, but the specific concern described — southbound streetcar tracks in the southbound lanes at the intersection of Boren and 12th Ave is one that does NOT exist if the streetcar route were the Broadway/12th Avenue couplet. (Also, in your broad brush effort you seem to have accomplished an annexation by “Capitol Hill” of a large swath of the south end of 12th Avenue that would be surprising to the people who live and work there.)

Regarding item #3 (streetcar and Seattle Likes Bikes): Did you actually read the Seattle Likes Bikes post and/or look at the map before you cited its concern as further evidence against a 12th Avenue/Broadway couplet? A potential hazard at the intersection of 12th and Boren exists with ALL of the proposed route alternatives, but the specific concern described — southbound streetcar tracks in the southbound lanes at the intersection of Boren and 12th Ave is one that does NOT exist if the streetcar route were the Broadway/12th Avenue couplet. (Also, in your broad brush effort you seem to have accomplished an annexation by “Capitol Hill” of a large swath of the south end of 12th Avenue that would be surprising to the people who live and work there.)

I posted this under Erika’s post but will re=post here…being a woman and Hispanic it worries me.

Nickel’s staff was far and away the most diverse and competent of Mayor’s staffs in a long time – probably the most diverse of any of Seattle’s past Mayors (something he gets very little credit for). This brings voices of folks into City hall and also better represents the body of people of the city. McGinn taking a slice of his neighborhood and friends does not bode well for him, the city is at least half women (and a growing Hispanic population) and him not taking the time to hire some is sad. It’s not just about hiring a ‘token’ rep for a group its about actually finding value in having a diverse team..something that he already doesn’t seem to be doing.

I posted this under Erika’s post but will re=post here…being a woman and Hispanic it worries me.

Nickel’s staff was far and away the most diverse and competent of Mayor’s staffs in a long time – probably the most diverse of any of Seattle’s past Mayors (something he gets very little credit for). This brings voices of folks into City hall and also better represents the body of people of the city. McGinn taking a slice of his neighborhood and friends does not bode well for him, the city is at least half women (and a growing Hispanic population) and him not taking the time to hire some is sad. It’s not just about hiring a ‘token’ rep for a group its about actually finding value in having a diverse team..something that he already doesn’t seem to be doing.

No blacks were either appointed to head any city departments. Aisan seem to be the winer

No blacks were either appointed to head any city departments. Aisan seem to be the winer

Rep. Kenney is a crack pot who cares nothing more than advancing Hispanic issues.

Rep. Kenney is a crack pot who cares nothing more than advancing Hispanic issues.

How many Jews are there on McGinn’s team? Lefties (handed I mean…ha)? Mulatto’s? This sort of superficial diversity is extremely overrated.

How many Jews are there on McGinn’s team? Lefties (handed I mean…ha)? Mulatto’s? This sort of superficial diversity is extremely overrated.

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Who cares their race. We need people who are smart, able and honest. I do not give a SH** their ethnicity. You can be my own kind but dead wrong on Issues**

Get real people

Who cares their race. We need people who are smart, able and honest. I do not give a SH** their ethnicity. You can be my own kind but dead wrong on Issues**

Get real people

We need more blacks in McGinn admn

We need more blacks in McGinn admn

What is really needed is a bus on 12th Ave. This will encourage economic development, provide redundancy for transit riders, and is cheaper and safer. It might actually improve ridership on the streetcar route (think Geary & Clement in SF).

What is really needed is a bus on 12th Ave. This will encourage economic development, provide redundancy for transit riders, and is cheaper and safer. It might actually improve ridership on the streetcar route (think Geary & Clement in SF).

I am going to cite this thread in my new book What Color is your Anvil?

Self-help books are overrated, self-hurt books are what the kids are looking for.

Between Phyllis, and Ken “bury me with my dog” Jacobsen, livin in the 46th LD is a lot like living in a friends-neighbors-cousins-grandparents basement. It’s a little dark, strange, disconnected, and out there for everybody to see. You do not have much control, and you don’t know what non-sequitor will get show up next.

Help me, please!
Signed, the fake Scott White.

I am going to cite this thread in my new book What Color is your Anvil?

Self-help books are overrated, self-hurt books are what the kids are looking for.

Between Phyllis, and Ken “bury me with my dog” Jacobsen, livin in the 46th LD is a lot like living in a friends-neighbors-cousins-grandparents basement. It’s a little dark, strange, disconnected, and out there for everybody to see. You do not have much control, and you don’t know what non-sequitor will get show up next.

Help me, please!
Signed, the fake Scott White.

I want to second @2. Josh, it is incredibly disingenuous to cite this as argument against 12th. It is against an alignment of a certain intersection which is involved in all three of the proposed routes.

I also agree that calling it Capitol Hill is completely disingenuous (and a problem made worse by the recent Stranger article). Although many Capitol Hill residents have been vocal supporters of 12th Ave (myself included) the neighborhood as a whole has mixed feelings on the route, as shown by this poll:
http://capitolhillseattle.com/2009/12/15/poll-where-should-the-streetcar-run

The actual group pushing for a 12th alignment includes members of the Squire Park Community (the area around 12th), Seattle University, Capitol Hill Housing (which does work throughout the city) and business owners along 12th. 12th South of Madison (which is the only 12th involved in the routing) is entirely within the Central Area neighborhood plan.

I want to second @2. Josh, it is incredibly disingenuous to cite this as argument against 12th. It is against an alignment of a certain intersection which is involved in all three of the proposed routes.

I also agree that calling it Capitol Hill is completely disingenuous (and a problem made worse by the recent Stranger article). Although many Capitol Hill residents have been vocal supporters of 12th Ave (myself included) the neighborhood as a whole has mixed feelings on the route, as shown by this poll:
http://capitolhillseattle.com/2009/12/15/poll-where-should-the-streetcar-run

The actual group pushing for a 12th alignment includes members of the Squire Park Community (the area around 12th), Seattle University, Capitol Hill Housing (which does work throughout the city) and business owners along 12th. 12th South of Madison (which is the only 12th involved in the routing) is entirely within the Central Area neighborhood plan.

@11,

Josh you are right BUT note that Squire Park encompasses a lot more than 12th Avenue stretching east to 23rd Avenue, and from Union as far south as Jackson if memory serves.

As for the other Josh (the one who wrote the article), Seattle Likes Bikes participated on a ride of route options months ago, and I guarantee you that you are terminally misrepresenting their concerns on the alignments. They’re concerned about bike/streetcar safety, as JoshMahar points out – and the particular concerns about 12th and Boren are in fact mitigated by the 12th/Broadway Couplet, as pointed out in #2 above.

Do you guys actually read the material before you comment on it? Seriously.

@11,

Josh you are right BUT note that Squire Park encompasses a lot more than 12th Avenue stretching east to 23rd Avenue, and from Union as far south as Jackson if memory serves.

As for the other Josh (the one who wrote the article), Seattle Likes Bikes participated on a ride of route options months ago, and I guarantee you that you are terminally misrepresenting their concerns on the alignments. They’re concerned about bike/streetcar safety, as JoshMahar points out – and the particular concerns about 12th and Boren are in fact mitigated by the 12th/Broadway Couplet, as pointed out in #2 above.

Do you guys actually read the material before you comment on it? Seriously.

1. When Mayor-Elect Mike McGinn recently met with Seattle state Rep. Phyllis Gutierrez Kenney (D-46) to discuss the city’s legislative agenda for Olympia, Kenney reportedly changed the topic. She wanted to know why McGinn hadn’t appointed any Hispanics to head any city departments.

Because we’re all dirty thieves and belong in kitchens and in front of Home Depot*. Duh. Remember, Mike McGinn reflects the will of the people in Seattle. That’s how he got elected. and it turns out most white people don’t like Hispanics.

* – (I say “we’re” even though I’m actually half-Asian half-white, because Seattle people still lump me in with the Hispanics even when I tell them what my actual racial background is.)

That setup, SLB argues, is “a bicycle killer”—like the South Lake Union trolley and the railroad tracks near the Burke-Gilman trail, where cyclists’ wheels are frequently caught in the tracks.

Yeah, as evidenced by the dozens of dead and injured cyclists that have piled up along Fairview- oh wait

Look, I can make up random shit-talk too! Nick Licata wears white hoods and burns crosses in his backyard! Gang members have robbed scores of people in Lower Queen Anne! The blind driveway on NE 45th and NE 20th Ave has caused hundreds of accidents!

I mean shit, Erica, cite something official at least.

1. When Mayor-Elect Mike McGinn recently met with Seattle state Rep. Phyllis Gutierrez Kenney (D-46) to discuss the city’s legislative agenda for Olympia, Kenney reportedly changed the topic. She wanted to know why McGinn hadn’t appointed any Hispanics to head any city departments.

Because we’re all dirty thieves and belong in kitchens and in front of Home Depot*. Duh. Remember, Mike McGinn reflects the will of the people in Seattle. That’s how he got elected. and it turns out most white people don’t like Hispanics.

* – (I say “we’re” even though I’m actually half-Asian half-white, because Seattle people still lump me in with the Hispanics even when I tell them what my actual racial background is.)

That setup, SLB argues, is “a bicycle killer”—like the South Lake Union trolley and the railroad tracks near the Burke-Gilman trail, where cyclists’ wheels are frequently caught in the tracks.

Yeah, as evidenced by the dozens of dead and injured cyclists that have piled up along Fairview- oh wait

Look, I can make up random shit-talk too! Nick Licata wears white hoods and burns crosses in his backyard! Gang members have robbed scores of people in Lower Queen Anne! The blind driveway on NE 45th and NE 20th Ave has caused hundreds of accidents!

I mean shit, Erica, cite something official at least.

One more comment on the streetcar reference. There is a lot of confusion in the press right now about a “streetcar on 12th”. No one has been advocating for the First Hill Streetcar to move entirely to 12th Avenue. 12th Avenue is not in First Hill and people know this.

What is being studied by SDOT is a Broadway-12th Couplet (one leg going north on Broadway and the other leg coming back south on 12th). This is actually a big distinction, because service to First Hill employment centers is a very important criteria being looked at for this streetcar, and the folks on 12th are merely asking if this streetcar can deliver service to FH while also catalyzing economic development on 12th Avenue. More bang for the buck, essentially.

And @9, if you are part of the 37th, you must be referencing all of the economic development that the #7 bus has brought to Rainier in the last 30 years?

One more comment on the streetcar reference. There is a lot of confusion in the press right now about a “streetcar on 12th”. No one has been advocating for the First Hill Streetcar to move entirely to 12th Avenue. 12th Avenue is not in First Hill and people know this.

What is being studied by SDOT is a Broadway-12th Couplet (one leg going north on Broadway and the other leg coming back south on 12th). This is actually a big distinction, because service to First Hill employment centers is a very important criteria being looked at for this streetcar, and the folks on 12th are merely asking if this streetcar can deliver service to FH while also catalyzing economic development on 12th Avenue. More bang for the buck, essentially.

And @9, if you are part of the 37th, you must be referencing all of the economic development that the #7 bus has brought to Rainier in the last 30 years?

Just for the record, SeattleLikesBikes isn’t for or against any particular alignment. We just have some specific spots that scare the bejesus out of us.

Bicycles just really need to be considered carefully in these plans.

Just for the record, SeattleLikesBikes isn’t for or against any particular alignment. We just have some specific spots that scare the bejesus out of us.

Bicycles just really need to be considered carefully in these plans.

@15

I bike all the time. I have no car and use my bike as my primary means of transport.

And I advocate that the road is to be shared by ALL. Bicyclists need to be aware of the road hazards and take precautions.

Yes, it would be nice to have smooth roads with 5 feet room for bike lanes, but it just isn’t possible.

I believe we need to focus on mass transit in order to get more people using it and less cars on the road. That is the best thing for bicycles at this point. I don’t want any time or money wasted arguing about this because some people on bikes can’t slow down and be more cautious at those hazard spots.

@15

I bike all the time. I have no car and use my bike as my primary means of transport.

And I advocate that the road is to be shared by ALL. Bicyclists need to be aware of the road hazards and take precautions.

Yes, it would be nice to have smooth roads with 5 feet room for bike lanes, but it just isn’t possible.

I believe we need to focus on mass transit in order to get more people using it and less cars on the road. That is the best thing for bicycles at this point. I don’t want any time or money wasted arguing about this because some people on bikes can’t slow down and be more cautious at those hazard spots.

@16,

yes bicyclists need to be cautious and aware. But if you’re building a BRAND NEW FACILITY there is an obligation to take cyclists into account and design complete streets for everyone. Not just transit, or pedestrians, or cars, or cyclists, but everyone.

Seattle’s Complete Streets ordinance would suggest that’s not just my opinion, it’s the law.

@16,

yes bicyclists need to be cautious and aware. But if you’re building a BRAND NEW FACILITY there is an obligation to take cyclists into account and design complete streets for everyone. Not just transit, or pedestrians, or cars, or cyclists, but everyone.

Seattle’s Complete Streets ordinance would suggest that’s not just my opinion, it’s the law.