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The Lesson Learned

Here are a few highlight quotes from PubliCola’s post-election forum at Del Rey last night, where the chief strategists for Team Mallahan and Team McGinn gave a packed room a candid look inside this year’s mayoral campaign.

(The Seattle Times, P-I, Seattle Weeklythe Stranger, and … The Oregonian?? all filed their own reports about our event this morning.)

On post-primary strategy:

McGinn strategist Bill Broadhead: Our first strategy was to start working with the Seattle establishment. We thought maybe winning the primary would make us a little more credible in their eyes. We spent maybe two weeks … calling the usual suspects, and it was pretty cold out there. … Then the strategy was to win with no money and no endorsements.

Mallahan strategist Jason Bennett: Coming out of the primary, we didn’t have any endorsements either. … The media’s perspective was, “Oh shit, what have we [voters] done?,” and that was the narrative for about a week and a half while Ed [Murray] was sort of floating balloons about whether or not he was going to do a write-in campaign. … We worked really hard to try to prevent Ed from jumping in. …

Mallahan strategist Jason Bennett

Mallahan strategist Jason Bennett at Del Rey last night.

Then, because the narrative of the previous week had been about the lack of experience of these two guys who had never held elected office before, our goal was to try to be perceived as the experienced candidate and pursue the endorsements.

Mallahan spokeswoman Charla Neuman: I had reporters say, “Oh, it seemed like you guys went silent” because we were so vocal before the primary and then right after the primary [people] felt like we kind of went underground. And there is some truth to that. … We spent time … at what Joe liked to call Mayor School.

About McGinn’s “evolving” position on the waterfront tunnel (although stopping the tunnel was initially McGinn’s key campaign issue, he later said he wouldn’t stand in its way, citing a nonbinding agreement between the city council and the state to build it):

Broadhead: He didn’t flip on the tunnel. The city council passed an agreement, nine to nothing, locking the city of Seattle into an agreement with the state. … One of the questions was, is this candidate a guy that understands the process? Does he understand that we’re a city of laws and agreements, and you honor agreements? Or is he just going to disregard everything in an effort to get his way?

Neuman: From everything that I’ve heard about Bill, he’s a smarter strategist than to pretend that was an accident. That was a brilliant move. Genius.

Broadhead: It was horrible politics. You don’t want two weeks out to have a headline saying, ‘[Candidate] backs away on signature issue.

Neuman: Yes, you do, when that’s what all the polls showed. …

The day that happened,  I hadn’t done laundry in forever and … it was obvious, because I was wearing a black T-shirt with a Christmas tree on it. And when [McGinn's tunnel statement] happened, Joe came in and said, “Wear that T-shirt every day.” And for the first five minutes, I thought, “Yep this is my Christmas present.” Five minutes later… I thought, “this could work for him.”

Flip-flopping is an inside baseball game. And Mike McGinn is no John Kerry. He can articulate things very well. And that’s when I thought, this was genius. And yes, that’s when I started wetting my pants. I don’t think there’s a single person in here who can say with a straight face that, if there was any reason to hesitate for Mike McGinn, it was something other than him potentially wanting to obstruct moving forward with the tunnel. Anyone who was hesitant, who wanted to vote for Mike, this gave them the free pass that they needed. And anecdotally, you heard it every day after that. It was genius. Bill should take credit for it.

On each campaign’s biggest mistake:

Broadhead: This is the question that George Bush really fucked up, right? I’d say … the tone of the NRA robocall [which associated Mallahan with the pro-gun group because he didn't take a strong position on Nickels' ban on guns in city parks]. I’ll stand behind the message, [but] the tone was bad and I kind of wish we hadn’t done that.

Neuman: Biggest mistake, in my opinion … was I apparently garnered a reputation for hitting hard, I guess, during the primary particularly against Nickels, and I think that made some people uncomfortable.

During the time when he was trying to secure these endorsements… there was a vacuum that we did not fill, message-wise. We did not do a good enough job early enough to define Joe and to define Mike McGinn.

As far as the Southeast Seattle strategy … Joe was still uncomfortable being the politician. He didn’t want to seem like he was exploiting it, or using it for his own advantage. OK, it’s a campaign, you have to. So there were plenty of times when he was down there but he didn’t want to do that, to invite all the media. … During a campaign you have to promo everything. … He wanted the true relationships. He was still noble and green.

Bennett: We spent an enormous amount of time chasing McGinn on the campaign trail, and sort of reacting to stuff they were doing.

On Mallahan’s notorious lack of accessibility:

Bennett: In a loss, there’s a real propensity to try to self-preserve and say that there were these forces outside of our control or throw your candidate under the bus and we’re really conscious of trying to be perfectly honest and straightforward on this. Anybody who followed this campaign… I have to ask you if you feel like, [having watched] Joe Mallahan, putting him out there more would have been advantageous for the campaign. And whether or not that’s something that would have helped us. Then I would say that maybe it was part of our strategy not to increase the frequency with which he could be quoted.

Broadhead: Well, I’ve got to say, I didn’t expect to come here tonight and be in the role of defending Joe Mallahan. … But I think this guy did speak from the heart. He was credible out there on the stump. And quite honestly, he scared me as a candidate working on the other side. …. I think Joe is a very authentic guy. I think he got into it for the right reasons. … From my perspective, at least, the problem Joe had was that he had a movie in his mind of what running for office would be like. He’d be the outsider, business, social-justice guy that would come in and maybe clean up a corrupt system. And when Nickels lost the primary, the movie ended. And he didn’t know what to do past that point.

Neuman: The other big mistake we made in our TV, our mail, and out on the stump, is that we didn’t let Joe be Joe. …  It’s tough to get Joe in a sound bite.

On how the two campaigns felt when the first returns hit on Election Night:

Broadhead: I have kind of a confession to make. I woke up this morning coming out of a dream where the election wasn’t quite in the bag. It was, like, two days before and I was like, “Oh, God, what are we going to do to nail this down? We had a vivctory party the other night—it’s going to be so embarrassing if we lose this.” And then I realized, oh, it was over. I’m still kind of having post-traumatic stress disorder.

Bennett: Yeah, we’re actually having post-traumatic stress disorder. So—sorry about your sad dream. How horrible for you. 

[Editor's note: That was the funniest quote of the night.]

Neuman: Walking into election night, I thought that that was going to be our strongest night. I thought we needed to be up, because we would trickle down. So when I saw that we weren’t up, I wanted to vomit.

Bennett: Folks were like, what percentage do we have to have to feel confident of winning? And I said that we needed to have 52 percent. If we have anything less than 52, we’re toast. So the coma that was walking around on election night, that would be me, because I knew we were toast. … The primary behaved exactly like the general election for McGinn. So we knew shortly after the vote came in that we were done.

On the role of money in this year’s campaigns:

Broadhead: I think obviously it was not a deciding factor. I come out of a school of thought where you raise money, you go on TV, you do the mail, you raise points, you win the election. And this campaign was an eye-opener for me. If you gave me the choice, next cycle, of having the vote of the immigrant and refugee community in Seattle … and having, basically, the downtown checkbook, that would be a no-brainer for me. The immigrant and refugee committee … delivered votes for us.

Bennett: We knew we were never going to be able to compete on the ground game. … If you aren’t going to win on the ground campaign, you have to win on points and do the playbook that is tested and true. It is not fun to chase money, but we knew that was what we had to do.

Neuman: Even though it didn’t work out for us this time, I will always prefer having a financial advantage. I do think Seattle should rethink its $700 contribution limit. … In Seattle we pretend there’s no primary. We don’t have separate fundraising limits for the primary and general.

On whether McGinn’s grassroots strategy can be replicated successfully by another candidate:

Broadhead: There’s so many people that wish this was a one-time thing … that there was somebody behind the curtain that cast a magic spell for a few minutes and they can just go back to believing what they believed before and nothing really changed.

But I’ve got to to tell you, from someone in my position, the math has changed in Seattle. The fundamental political math has changed. And part of that is a demographic shift, part of that is a values switch, it’s a self-selecting thing of progressive voters moving to Seattle. … I think this model is open to whoever wants to follow it.

Bennett: What I hope is repeatable is that we don’t see the same six people cycling up the chain. …

The thing that wasn’t really talked about was the impact of Dow Constantine and everybody pushing the “oh, shit” button on him and pushing a great liberal, left, Seattle group out [to vote]. Referendum 71 [which Bennett also worked on] and [Initiative] 1033—we had to win those, and there was a great effort to mobilize that effort and that impacted the mayor’s race … When liberals are activated and they push the “oh shit” button, they rally together, and I think McGinn sort of benefited from that and I do think that’s replicable. I hope that’s replicable. … When liberals and progressives unite, they can make a big impact on a campaign. I hope that that’s the lesson learned.




  • Funny

    barf

  • Funny

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  • Giffy

    But I’ve got to to tell you, from someone in my position, the math has changed in Seattle. The fundamental political math has changed. And part of that is a demographic shift, part of that is a values switch, it’s a self-selecting thing of progressive voters moving to Seattle. … I think this model is open to whoever wants to follow it.

    Oh come on. As much as they ran a good campaign it is silly to argue that this somehow means there has been a massive shift. We could just as easily be talking about a Mayor Mallahan if turnout had been different or if he had run just a bit better campaign. This kind of hyperbole is even less accurate then the “death of X party” that is spoken of every time there is a shift in congress.

    If anything this race shows that enough money and enforcements can get a boring and inexperienced candidate almost 50% of the vote. Not that Mallahan would have made a bad mayor, I didn’t vote for either of them, but he seemed like he could do the job as can McGinn. However he was a horrible candidate who inspired very little excitement, especially compared to McGinn. And when you come right down to it, that excitement, those volunteers, and all that only got him a narrow victory.

    If anything I would take from this that the best bet, strategically speaking, would be to get a dynamic and interesting candidate and then run an campaign like Mallahan’s.

  • Giffy

    But I’ve got to to tell you, from someone in my position, the math has changed in Seattle. The fundamental political math has changed. And part of that is a demographic shift, part of that is a values switch, it’s a self-selecting thing of progressive voters moving to Seattle. … I think this model is open to whoever wants to follow it.

    Oh come on. As much as they ran a good campaign it is silly to argue that this somehow means there has been a massive shift. We could just as easily be talking about a Mayor Mallahan if turnout had been different or if he had run just a bit better campaign. This kind of hyperbole is even less accurate then the “death of X party” that is spoken of every time there is a shift in congress.

    If anything this race shows that enough money and enforcements can get a boring and inexperienced candidate almost 50% of the vote. Not that Mallahan would have made a bad mayor, I didn’t vote for either of them, but he seemed like he could do the job as can McGinn. However he was a horrible candidate who inspired very little excitement, especially compared to McGinn. And when you come right down to it, that excitement, those volunteers, and all that only got him a narrow victory.

    If anything I would take from this that the best bet, strategically speaking, would be to get a dynamic and interesting candidate and then run an campaign like Mallahan’s.

  • Joanie Repose

    Good summary. And matches my experience from the night. Respectful, insightful, candid and good-natured. I think both campaigns were well-represented and lucky to have two smart teams in place. It seems one just outsmarted the other on Election night.

  • Joanie Repose

    Good summary. And matches my experience from the night. Respectful, insightful, candid and good-natured. I think both campaigns were well-represented and lucky to have two smart teams in place. It seems one just outsmarted the other on Election night.

  • West Seattle Waiter

    lets not navel gaze too much here…. the public did not know any of these guys, they just lucked by Nickels by a few hundred votes in the primary. nobody still knows them and frankly don’t trust them either. and mcginn tweaked out a win over a guy who never even voted.

    but its not a mandate for anything and he doesn’t have the institutional support or the support of his own govt employees to do much or to withstand the first hit as mayor.

  • West Seattle Waiter

    lets not navel gaze too much here…. the public did not know any of these guys, they just lucked by Nickels by a few hundred votes in the primary. nobody still knows them and frankly don’t trust them either. and mcginn tweaked out a win over a guy who never even voted.

    but its not a mandate for anything and he doesn’t have the institutional support or the support of his own govt employees to do much or to withstand the first hit as mayor.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    this was about the campaign, and nit about governing, so, the next time two unknowns run for mayor…. you can pick the Mercury model.

    4, is right. What is worse is that I do not know too much more about them now than I did 3 months ago, and one of them is mayor-elect.

    My doubts about McGinn did not end with the certification of the election today (yep, today). In fact, sending 70 autobots into to neighborhoods to gather information to formulate policy around make me want to vomit, twice.

    Now that I’m mayor, what should I do (other than drag my feet on the tunnel)?

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    this was about the campaign, and nit about governing, so, the next time two unknowns run for mayor…. you can pick the Mercury model.

    4, is right. What is worse is that I do not know too much more about them now than I did 3 months ago, and one of them is mayor-elect.

    My doubts about McGinn did not end with the certification of the election today (yep, today). In fact, sending 70 autobots into to neighborhoods to gather information to formulate policy around make me want to vomit, twice.

    Now that I’m mayor, what should I do (other than drag my feet on the tunnel)?

  • J.R.

    I’m with #2 and #4–the McGinn model is all well and good, but it requires a candidate like McGinn (and how many of them are there?). It’s hard to draw definite conclusions from very close races–if a few votes had shifted in 2001, we’d still be talking about Mayor Mark Sidran’s great victory and how television advertising is the only thing that matters in a local election.

    It’s easier to pull lessons from a blowout, such as the Constantine-Hutchison race. That battle proved pretty conclusively that an anti-choice candidate can’t get elected as King County Executive and that the Stealth Republican strategy won’t work in high-profile local races.

  • J.R.

    I’m with #2 and #4–the McGinn model is all well and good, but it requires a candidate like McGinn (and how many of them are there?). It’s hard to draw definite conclusions from very close races–if a few votes had shifted in 2001, we’d still be talking about Mayor Mark Sidran’s great victory and how television advertising is the only thing that matters in a local election.

    It’s easier to pull lessons from a blowout, such as the Constantine-Hutchison race. That battle proved pretty conclusively that an anti-choice candidate can’t get elected as King County Executive and that the Stealth Republican strategy won’t work in high-profile local races.

  • raincity calling

    @ 5 quoting you, “n fact, sending 70 autobots into to neighborhoods to gather information to formulate policy around make me want to vomit, twice.”

    Elected officials are supposed to represent the people. In order to represent the people they have to know what it is the people want, don’t want, and what the people’s concerns are. This is what he is attempting to do.

    What is it you want in a candidate? Someone who mandates to the people regardless of what they want or their concerns?

  • raincity calling

    @ 5 quoting you, “n fact, sending 70 autobots into to neighborhoods to gather information to formulate policy around make me want to vomit, twice.”

    Elected officials are supposed to represent the people. In order to represent the people they have to know what it is the people want, don’t want, and what the people’s concerns are. This is what he is attempting to do.

    What is it you want in a candidate? Someone who mandates to the people regardless of what they want or their concerns?

  • sarah68

    Nickels did not, once, ask voters what they wanted done, not when he was running for office nor when was in office. Mallahan lilkely would not have done what McGinn’s doing because he’d already collected (or they’d elbowed their way in) a large bunch of establishment advisers who were going to tell him what to do. As #7 says, elected officials are supposed to represent the people. So just what is wrong with McGinn’s getting our opinions? At least he’s asking.

  • sarah68

    Nickels did not, once, ask voters what they wanted done, not when he was running for office nor when was in office. Mallahan lilkely would not have done what McGinn’s doing because he’d already collected (or they’d elbowed their way in) a large bunch of establishment advisers who were going to tell him what to do. As #7 says, elected officials are supposed to represent the people. So just what is wrong with McGinn’s getting our opinions? At least he’s asking.

  • punglio

    Last night’s forum, and Team Mallahan, sounds like what losing campaigns have been saying since ’00. Gore was being too constrained by his consultants and they needed to allow him to ‘let it rip.’ McCain’s people needed to let “Sarah be Sarah”. “Let Joe be Joe.”
    There’s some truth to that for all those candidates.
    But the other similarity they share is that they didn’t campaign well. I don’t know if that’s partly or entirely the fault of the consultants or the candidate (Gore, Palin, or Mallahan). (I don’t remember the “let — be –” argument being made in Kerry’s case in ’04.) But I suspect it’s the fault of both consultants and candidates. I don’t know if that indicates they are poor politicians or just poor campaigners (not to malign them – I can’t imagine going through that shit).

    I wasn’t at this event so I could be reading this wrong, but Neuman and Bennett come off in this article sounding like typical old, cutthroat paid political attack dogs. I know this is, and has been for a long time, the way politics works. But their cynical thoughts on the campaign just further embitter me to politics and the shitty politicians and court jesters we get (case in point: the 60 Senate democrats who can’t pass anything useful during this time of crisis).

    Neuman thinks “Flip-flopping is an inside baseball game.” And, according to her, Broadhead / the McGinn campaign shouldn’t ‘pretend it was an accident, it was a brilliant move.’ Barf all over Belltown!

    Apparently there are still plenty of people who think that way. And since I don’t know McGinn I guess i can’t say I know for sure (maybe McGinn is a two-faced jerk who will sell us all out in the near future – but I doubt it). But I didn’t decide to vote for McGinn until I heard him say that he would support the tunnel if he had to. This was at a town hall forum about a month before the election and weeks before the City Council’s decision to enter into an agreement with the State. Though he constantly railed against the tunnel, McGinn understood that it wasn’t solely his decision to make and agree to and that there was the possibility that he would be the only stakeholder / elected official left standing against it. He had a reasoned position. (I’m anti-tunnel, btw.) Meanwhile, Joe Mallahan and his political witchdoctors were Pro Tunnel No Matter What, come financial problems, 1% engineering plan, or the unexpected uplift of Elliot Bay and the Rapture of the Downtown Seattle Association.

    Bennett: “We knew we were never going to be able to compete on the ground game.”

    Yes, it is hard to get elected a politician who appears disinterested and uninformed. Doesn’t that say something about what kind of politician they’d be?

    Neuman prefers having the financial advantage and thinks Seattle should rethink it’s contribution limit.

    Yes, more money in politics is EXACTLY what we need.

    Did they even like Joe Mallahan or were they just working for the money?

  • punglio

    Last night’s forum, and Team Mallahan, sounds like what losing campaigns have been saying since ’00. Gore was being too constrained by his consultants and they needed to allow him to ‘let it rip.’ McCain’s people needed to let “Sarah be Sarah”. “Let Joe be Joe.”
    There’s some truth to that for all those candidates.
    But the other similarity they share is that they didn’t campaign well. I don’t know if that’s partly or entirely the fault of the consultants or the candidate (Gore, Palin, or Mallahan). (I don’t remember the “let — be –” argument being made in Kerry’s case in ’04.) But I suspect it’s the fault of both consultants and candidates. I don’t know if that indicates they are poor politicians or just poor campaigners (not to malign them – I can’t imagine going through that shit).

    I wasn’t at this event so I could be reading this wrong, but Neuman and Bennett come off in this article sounding like typical old, cutthroat paid political attack dogs. I know this is, and has been for a long time, the way politics works. But their cynical thoughts on the campaign just further embitter me to politics and the shitty politicians and court jesters we get (case in point: the 60 Senate democrats who can’t pass anything useful during this time of crisis).

    Neuman thinks “Flip-flopping is an inside baseball game.” And, according to her, Broadhead / the McGinn campaign shouldn’t ‘pretend it was an accident, it was a brilliant move.’ Barf all over Belltown!

    Apparently there are still plenty of people who think that way. And since I don’t know McGinn I guess i can’t say I know for sure (maybe McGinn is a two-faced jerk who will sell us all out in the near future – but I doubt it). But I didn’t decide to vote for McGinn until I heard him say that he would support the tunnel if he had to. This was at a town hall forum about a month before the election and weeks before the City Council’s decision to enter into an agreement with the State. Though he constantly railed against the tunnel, McGinn understood that it wasn’t solely his decision to make and agree to and that there was the possibility that he would be the only stakeholder / elected official left standing against it. He had a reasoned position. (I’m anti-tunnel, btw.) Meanwhile, Joe Mallahan and his political witchdoctors were Pro Tunnel No Matter What, come financial problems, 1% engineering plan, or the unexpected uplift of Elliot Bay and the Rapture of the Downtown Seattle Association.

    Bennett: “We knew we were never going to be able to compete on the ground game.”

    Yes, it is hard to get elected a politician who appears disinterested and uninformed. Doesn’t that say something about what kind of politician they’d be?

    Neuman prefers having the financial advantage and thinks Seattle should rethink it’s contribution limit.

    Yes, more money in politics is EXACTLY what we need.

    Did they even like Joe Mallahan or were they just working for the money?

  • Eric Redhoven

    let him ask – with no money, there is nothing new

    and since when is the list of wants so unknown that any half wit can’t offer ten ideas

    you have been brain washed

    this is not the pied piper, just a fat guy with some brains, bad taste in clothes, nice wife and kids, and tons of luck

    so, run the city mayor, and quit all the old hippie lets talk more and pass the joint crap

  • Eric Redhoven

    let him ask – with no money, there is nothing new

    and since when is the list of wants so unknown that any half wit can’t offer ten ideas

    you have been brain washed

    this is not the pied piper, just a fat guy with some brains, bad taste in clothes, nice wife and kids, and tons of luck

    so, run the city mayor, and quit all the old hippie lets talk more and pass the joint crap

  • eric

    The true test for Mayor Elect McGinn is whether he can hold his diverse coalition of supporters together once he has to making city policy and tough decisions, especially given the expected state of the city’s budget next year. How many of his supporters will still be singing his praises a year from now? Only time will tell.

  • eric

    The true test for Mayor Elect McGinn is whether he can hold his diverse coalition of supporters together once he has to making city policy and tough decisions, especially given the expected state of the city’s budget next year. How many of his supporters will still be singing his praises a year from now? Only time will tell.

  • Will in Seattle

    I went into election night not worried at all about the mayoral race, given that in listening (yes, I do that, just not around you guys) to people I knew tended to fence sit, they were all going McGinn after the TV debates.

    Saw the “flip-flop” attack coming a mile off. In the FB and twitter era, the Mallahamsters telegraphed that a mile away, so it was easy to hit back hard. Never saw anyone who was a definite McGinn vote even hesitate about support when that happened, so it was obvious it would blow over – couldn’t believe they wasted so much energy on such a losing attack strategy, which only works in conventional political warfare, and never against guerrilla political warfare.

  • Will in Seattle

    I went into election night not worried at all about the mayoral race, given that in listening (yes, I do that, just not around you guys) to people I knew tended to fence sit, they were all going McGinn after the TV debates.

    Saw the “flip-flop” attack coming a mile off. In the FB and twitter era, the Mallahamsters telegraphed that a mile away, so it was easy to hit back hard. Never saw anyone who was a definite McGinn vote even hesitate about support when that happened, so it was obvious it would blow over – couldn’t believe they wasted so much energy on such a losing attack strategy, which only works in conventional political warfare, and never against guerrilla political warfare.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @7

    Elected officials are supposed to represent the people.

    or, people are supposed to know who they are running to represent.

    The knock on Mallahan was that he did not know the issues, etc. Here is McGinn data gathering after the fact. McGinn is more in touch and still is sending 70 people out to find out what he did not know while he was running. It looks like he is scambling.

    4′s point was that we still do not know these two people.

    My point was that the winner is spending a lot of effort after the election to find out about the people that he was running to represent.

    @8, you are guess at what Mallahan would or would not have done. Projecting whatever you did not like onto Mallahan is speculation not based on anything he said. His endlessly repeating that he would be “present to people in the community” as an improvement to the current mayor was only of his stump speech standard lines. If would have, or not, is unknown.

    The fact is, still, neither has been elected to public office and represented people in public office. We do not know by a past elected office-holding experience who either of these guys are/were until one of them is actually leading the largest city in the state.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @7

    Elected officials are supposed to represent the people.

    or, people are supposed to know who they are running to represent.

    The knock on Mallahan was that he did not know the issues, etc. Here is McGinn data gathering after the fact. McGinn is more in touch and still is sending 70 people out to find out what he did not know while he was running. It looks like he is scambling.

    4′s point was that we still do not know these two people.

    My point was that the winner is spending a lot of effort after the election to find out about the people that he was running to represent.

    @8, you are guess at what Mallahan would or would not have done. Projecting whatever you did not like onto Mallahan is speculation not based on anything he said. His endlessly repeating that he would be “present to people in the community” as an improvement to the current mayor was only of his stump speech standard lines. If would have, or not, is unknown.

    The fact is, still, neither has been elected to public office and represented people in public office. We do not know by a past elected office-holding experience who either of these guys are/were until one of them is actually leading the largest city in the state.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    Edit feature Nerd, where are you?

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    Edit feature Nerd, where are you?

  • tr

    My takeaway from last night was if bennett had been spokeperson,
    joe might had a few more friends in the media. He did very well
    and I wasn’t a huge fan coming into last night. I left impressed.
    Also, did I sense tension between he and charla?

  • tr

    My takeaway from last night was if bennett had been spokeperson,
    joe might had a few more friends in the media. He did very well
    and I wasn’t a huge fan coming into last night. I left impressed.
    Also, did I sense tension between he and charla?

  • sarah68

    Mr. Baker: You say, “My point was that the winner is spending a lot of effort after the election to find out about the people that he was running to represent.”

    Surely you’re not complaining. He had dozens of town halls during the campaign. He’s not through learning yet. You’d rather he not try to learn more? You’d rather he not care? You’d rather he just say the hell with it and talk only with the developers? You must have voted for Nickels in the primary, then.

  • sarah68

    Mr. Baker: You say, “My point was that the winner is spending a lot of effort after the election to find out about the people that he was running to represent.”

    Surely you’re not complaining. He had dozens of town halls during the campaign. He’s not through learning yet. You’d rather he not try to learn more? You’d rather he not care? You’d rather he just say the hell with it and talk only with the developers? You must have voted for Nickels in the primary, then.

  • sgiffy

    @6 Exactly. I think its interesting that we are talking about the lessons from a coin flip election then the ones from the ass kicking Dow delivered. Now that was a well run campaign that turned a possible loss into a massive victory.

  • sgiffy

    @6 Exactly. I think its interesting that we are talking about the lessons from a coin flip election then the ones from the ass kicking Dow delivered. Now that was a well run campaign that turned a possible loss into a massive victory.

  • Africa

    Well- what defeated Mallahan were many factors coming together.
    1. Appointing 28 so called advisory who were elites, and establishment– cost him to lost the support of the liberal, progressive, moderate income and the minority.

    2. His campaign neglected SE seattle. the immigrant and refugess communities sided with McGinn. Mallahan never show up SE forums and community centers where as McGinn was good at on his feet, visiting those groups and turning them McGinnites.

    3. McGinn, in the ayes of many voters became the man of the people– defending the public interest and challanging the establishment who had the Seattle power too long– this gave him credit and respect.

    Mallahan potrayed himself as insider– extention of Nickels, and the boy of the power and money folks.
    getting endorsemnt of the establishment hurted him most– the governor, and all the names at Olympia..

    Well i can go on and on and on– many mishaps of Mallahan camp.

    Someone raised the question”Will McGinn be able to keep the diverse coaltion together to govern seattle”

    I very much belive YES. McGinn won and he is still doing three more townhall meeting in the coming weeks. This shows you how much he is serious to learn more about the people and their issues. He is very real guy and will listen to all sides. I

    I wholeheartly believe he is smart and will do what is best in Seattle.

    He still has many many fellowrs.

  • Africa

    Well- what defeated Mallahan were many factors coming together.
    1. Appointing 28 so called advisory who were elites, and establishment– cost him to lost the support of the liberal, progressive, moderate income and the minority.

    2. His campaign neglected SE seattle. the immigrant and refugess communities sided with McGinn. Mallahan never show up SE forums and community centers where as McGinn was good at on his feet, visiting those groups and turning them McGinnites.

    3. McGinn, in the ayes of many voters became the man of the people– defending the public interest and challanging the establishment who had the Seattle power too long– this gave him credit and respect.

    Mallahan potrayed himself as insider– extention of Nickels, and the boy of the power and money folks.
    getting endorsemnt of the establishment hurted him most– the governor, and all the names at Olympia..

    Well i can go on and on and on– many mishaps of Mallahan camp.

    Someone raised the question”Will McGinn be able to keep the diverse coaltion together to govern seattle”

    I very much belive YES. McGinn won and he is still doing three more townhall meeting in the coming weeks. This shows you how much he is serious to learn more about the people and their issues. He is very real guy and will listen to all sides. I

    I wholeheartly believe he is smart and will do what is best in Seattle.

    He still has many many fellowrs.

  • wow this is politics people

    Can we stop pretending that this is some non-profit rule by consensus business model. This is politics people! The sooner McGinn realizes this the better he will be. You have to know how to work the system.

    sarah- if you ask the people they want be prepared to provide it. The problem with Seattle is that everyone thinks they know what the solution is to everything and if they could only get the money to do it.

    Watch out if McGinn adds police officers to the South end at the expense of –I dont know– Ballard. See how many people are going to be singing Kumbaya then.

    A leader does not rule by consensus. The whole reach across the aisle rhetoric is just that rhetoric. The problem is that McGinn believes his pie in the sky bs more than his own volunteers. The “grassroots” is with him now but in politics if you are not making enemies you are not doing a good job.

  • wow this is politics people

    Can we stop pretending that this is some non-profit rule by consensus business model. This is politics people! The sooner McGinn realizes this the better he will be. You have to know how to work the system.

    sarah- if you ask the people they want be prepared to provide it. The problem with Seattle is that everyone thinks they know what the solution is to everything and if they could only get the money to do it.

    Watch out if McGinn adds police officers to the South end at the expense of –I dont know– Ballard. See how many people are going to be singing Kumbaya then.

    A leader does not rule by consensus. The whole reach across the aisle rhetoric is just that rhetoric. The problem is that McGinn believes his pie in the sky bs more than his own volunteers. The “grassroots” is with him now but in politics if you are not making enemies you are not doing a good job.

  • Will in Seattle

    Africa @18 is quite correct on these points. I thought Joe did well trying to address point 2, but it was too late, as the media perception had already depicted Mike as winning that action..

    @19 needs to learn how real Mayors govern cities. It’s by actually listening to the citizens, not the outside interests that want a free ride at the expense of the citizens.

  • Will in Seattle

    Africa @18 is quite correct on these points. I thought Joe did well trying to address point 2, but it was too late, as the media perception had already depicted Mike as winning that action..

    @19 needs to learn how real Mayors govern cities. It’s by actually listening to the citizens, not the outside interests that want a free ride at the expense of the citizens.

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/tag/2009+election Gomez

    “We did not do a good enough job early enough to define Joe and to define Mike McGinn.”

    Actually, Charla, let me edit that statement a bit:

    “We did not bother to define Joe or to define Mike McGinn.”

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/tag/2009+election Gomez

    “We did not do a good enough job early enough to define Joe and to define Mike McGinn.”

    Actually, Charla, let me edit that statement a bit:

    “We did not bother to define Joe or to define Mike McGinn.”

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    Sarah68:

    Surely you’re not complaining. He had dozens of town halls during the campaign. He’s not through learning yet. You’d rather he not try to learn more? You’d rather he not care? You’d rather he just say the hell with it and talk only with the developers? You must have voted for Nickels in the primary, then.

    again, the point is that neither candidate knew enough, and even the one with the “in touch” advantage does not know all the issues as well as somebody should that is about to be executive of a city he is racingto understand.
    I would have preferred to have candidates that knew a little more about what they were wanting to represent, on the level of their desire to “win” it.
    With the limited choices I endoresed both Mallahan and McGinn for the primary.
    http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/2009/07/i-endorse-mallahan-and-mcginn-for.html

    I would have been happy to have thrown both overboard and written in Ed Murray had he chosen to run.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    Sarah68:

    Surely you’re not complaining. He had dozens of town halls during the campaign. He’s not through learning yet. You’d rather he not try to learn more? You’d rather he not care? You’d rather he just say the hell with it and talk only with the developers? You must have voted for Nickels in the primary, then.

    again, the point is that neither candidate knew enough, and even the one with the “in touch” advantage does not know all the issues as well as somebody should that is about to be executive of a city he is racingto understand.
    I would have preferred to have candidates that knew a little more about what they were wanting to represent, on the level of their desire to “win” it.
    With the limited choices I endoresed both Mallahan and McGinn for the primary.
    http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/2009/07/i-endorse-mallahan-and-mcginn-for.html

    I would have been happy to have thrown both overboard and written in Ed Murray had he chosen to run.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @21, or, “Mallahan showed up with money, he was going to get attention that we would not have to work to get.”

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @21, or, “Mallahan showed up with money, he was going to get attention that we would not have to work to get.”

  • sarah68

    Actually McGinn is asking people not what they want, but what they think is most important. I’m sure he’s aware that by asking that question, in a number of different forms and venues, of many, many people, he’s going to be on the spot. He’s a lawyer; they tend to be somewhat realistic in what they think they’re going to get. They also know how hard it is to get it.

    Mr. Baker, this is not any form of Utopia here. I would have preferred perfect candidates also. Again — realism. I don’t know what “endorsing” both candidates did for you.

  • sarah68

    Actually McGinn is asking people not what they want, but what they think is most important. I’m sure he’s aware that by asking that question, in a number of different forms and venues, of many, many people, he’s going to be on the spot. He’s a lawyer; they tend to be somewhat realistic in what they think they’re going to get. They also know how hard it is to get it.

    Mr. Baker, this is not any form of Utopia here. I would have preferred perfect candidates also. Again — realism. I don’t know what “endorsing” both candidates did for you.

  • Good Grief

    Didn’t McGinn already create a web site before the election to collect ideas? Is he afraid that he missed a few batshit crazy ones?

    He won the election — this Kabuki Outreach Program is all well and good for the time being, but once he takes office I expect him to stop acting like everything is up for a vote and lead the city.

    When you are the mayor and someone asks you to grade the city’s performance on oh, say, snow removal, you don’t have time to go do a focus group of your fanbase before answering. It should be interesting to see how he does.

  • Good Grief

    Didn’t McGinn already create a web site before the election to collect ideas? Is he afraid that he missed a few batshit crazy ones?

    He won the election — this Kabuki Outreach Program is all well and good for the time being, but once he takes office I expect him to stop acting like everything is up for a vote and lead the city.

    When you are the mayor and someone asks you to grade the city’s performance on oh, say, snow removal, you don’t have time to go do a focus group of your fanbase before answering. It should be interesting to see how he does.

  • westside

    To me, this quote from Jason Bennett puts it well,

    The thing that wasn’t really talked about was the impact of Dow Constantine and everybody pushing the “oh, shit” button on him and pushing a great liberal, left, Seattle group out [to vote]. Referendum 71 [which Bennett also worked on] and [Initiative] 1033—we had to win those, and there was a great effort to mobilize that effort and that impacted the mayor’s race.

    Dow’s field effort was even stronger than the McGinn campaign effort. But more importantly, in a mayor’s race where much of the public was saying, “oh fuck, what did we do?”–Dow gave them a clear reason to pay attention and to vote as did 1033 and 71. All that definitely helped Mike.

  • westside

    To me, this quote from Jason Bennett puts it well,

    The thing that wasn’t really talked about was the impact of Dow Constantine and everybody pushing the “oh, shit” button on him and pushing a great liberal, left, Seattle group out [to vote]. Referendum 71 [which Bennett also worked on] and [Initiative] 1033—we had to win those, and there was a great effort to mobilize that effort and that impacted the mayor’s race.

    Dow’s field effort was even stronger than the McGinn campaign effort. But more importantly, in a mayor’s race where much of the public was saying, “oh fuck, what did we do?”–Dow gave them a clear reason to pay attention and to vote as did 1033 and 71. All that definitely helped Mike.

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/tag/2009+election Gomez

    Also, I don’t think anyone reasonable is accusing McGinn of flipping on the tunnel. Clearly he still opposed it when he announced he was going to support the Council’s vote. I think if you can argue that he flipped on anything, it was his campaign promise to fight the tunnel.

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/tag/2009+election Gomez

    Also, I don’t think anyone reasonable is accusing McGinn of flipping on the tunnel. Clearly he still opposed it when he announced he was going to support the Council’s vote. I think if you can argue that he flipped on anything, it was his campaign promise to fight the tunnel.

  • African

    The game is now over, and I think Joe is a nice guy with a good heart. Now we have a Mayor. let us stop bulshitting and rally behind our commander to do what is best for Seattle and its residents. Mike is smart and very capable man.

  • African

    The game is now over, and I think Joe is a nice guy with a good heart. Now we have a Mayor. let us stop bulshitting and rally behind our commander to do what is best for Seattle and its residents. Mike is smart and very capable man.

  • Giffy

    @28,

    Um, no. This whole we must support whoever was elected is silly. The game is never over. It gets played on every issue, every vote, all the time. I’ll support McGinn on the things I like and oppose him on the ones I don’t. He may be smart and capable, but I still think he is a giant toolbag and wish we had better choices than we did.

    And really, as cliche as it is, we are his commanders not the other way around.

  • Giffy

    @28,

    Um, no. This whole we must support whoever was elected is silly. The game is never over. It gets played on every issue, every vote, all the time. I’ll support McGinn on the things I like and oppose him on the ones I don’t. He may be smart and capable, but I still think he is a giant toolbag and wish we had better choices than we did.

    And really, as cliche as it is, we are his commanders not the other way around.

  • Heh

    @ 28. African

    Ahh, ok. Little over 50% of 57% of the voters does not give you the mandate of the “will of the people”.
    You can lead the narrative, but does not mean people
    will listen to it.

    Commander? Are you one of those The School of the Americas (SOA) trained fools running around in the south end? Yes, Seattle, we have ex-SOA folks
    running around and they are freaking scary people.

  • Heh

    @ 28. African

    Ahh, ok. Little over 50% of 57% of the voters does not give you the mandate of the “will of the people”.
    You can lead the narrative, but does not mean people
    will listen to it.

    Commander? Are you one of those The School of the Americas (SOA) trained fools running around in the south end? Yes, Seattle, we have ex-SOA folks
    running around and they are freaking scary people.

  • Perfect Voter

    Thank you, Sarah @24 — yes, McGinn is asking what his PRIORITIES should be, not what his program should be. I guess he’s a little too nuanced for some.

    Some issues like the budget crisis automatically come to the top of the heap. Others are not so clear. Among the 3 issues he began his campaign with — the tunnel, Seattle Schools, and citywide broadband — only the last is directly in City hands. Among those 3, he should move quickly on broadband.

  • Perfect Voter

    Thank you, Sarah @24 — yes, McGinn is asking what his PRIORITIES should be, not what his program should be. I guess he’s a little too nuanced for some.

    Some issues like the budget crisis automatically come to the top of the heap. Others are not so clear. Among the 3 issues he began his campaign with — the tunnel, Seattle Schools, and citywide broadband — only the last is directly in City hands. Among those 3, he should move quickly on broadband.

  • sarah68

    We have more than a month until McGinn actually has the legal power to do something as Mayor. He can ask all the questions he wants until then. You want he should spend the intervening time bicycling in Barbados instead? Oy.

    Eric @10: Brainwashed? I listened, thought, and made a decision and marked up a ballot — with an emphasis on the “I”.

  • sarah68

    We have more than a month until McGinn actually has the legal power to do something as Mayor. He can ask all the questions he wants until then. You want he should spend the intervening time bicycling in Barbados instead? Oy.

    Eric @10: Brainwashed? I listened, thought, and made a decision and marked up a ballot — with an emphasis on the “I”.

  • Middle Class Enviro

    “Neuman: Even though it didn’t work out for us this time, I will always prefer having a financial advantage. I do think Seattle should rethink its $700 contribution limit. …”

    You have to be kidding me? Is Neuman suggesting that we should INCREASE the $700 campaign donation limit for Seattle’s general mayoral election? If so, that is an absolutely ridiculous. That’s just what the city needs Charla, more influence for the “haves” and less for the “have nots”. Give me a break.

  • Middle Class Enviro

    “Neuman: Even though it didn’t work out for us this time, I will always prefer having a financial advantage. I do think Seattle should rethink its $700 contribution limit. …”

    You have to be kidding me? Is Neuman suggesting that we should INCREASE the $700 campaign donation limit for Seattle’s general mayoral election? If so, that is an absolutely ridiculous. That’s just what the city needs Charla, more influence for the “haves” and less for the “have nots”. Give me a break.