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Some Hope for Mallahan

[Editor's Note: This was originally posted yesterday morning. Given that Mallahan did, in fact,  score a 51 to 48 win on yesterday afternoon's batch, we're moving it up.]

There are some surprising numbers in  recent polling that could help Joe Mallahan.

Conventional wisdom holds that late voters=liberal voters. That standard scenario would be good news for Mike McGinn as the next few rounds of votes come in, including about 40,000 projected to be counted today. (Polls show that McGinn has stronger support among liberals than Mallahan, 51-36 in the last Survey USA poll.)

However: PubliCola has learned that some private polling done for Dow Constantine leading up the King County Executive’s race showed that Constantine (the strong liberal running against conservative opponent Susan Hutchison) was doing better among early voters. Of course, his margin is so big that he was still winning with with later voters, but not as strongly.

Similarly, the recent Survey USA poll had Constantine up 12 percent among those who had already voted (60 perecent of the sample), but only winning overall by 10 percent. That means the remaining 40 percent polled—those who hadn’t voted yet—were only going Constantine’s way by seven percent.

Personally, I think the dynamics in the Seattle mayor’s race are too subtle and tricky to give these stats much weight, and I’m sticking with my prediction on Monday morning that McGinn wins.




  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/tag/2009+election Gomez

    One thing in Mallahan’s corner is that most of McGinn’s bandwagon made up their minds early to vote for him, so McGinn will likely have a bigger push among the early ballots than he will among the last minute voters, many of whom were undecided or not sold on him in general.

    However, I’m not sure if that’d give him the 52-48 or 53-47 push he’d need to have a real chance to win. And it’s likely the first drop may be reflective of an overall trend that continues with subsequent drops. And of course, there’s the uncanny 11:59 ballot run McGinn’s campaign made after the first drop that might have netted him a couple hundred extra votes :P

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/tag/2009+election Gomez

    One thing in Mallahan’s corner is that most of McGinn’s bandwagon made up their minds early to vote for him, so McGinn will likely have a bigger push among the early ballots than he will among the last minute voters, many of whom were undecided or not sold on him in general.

    However, I’m not sure if that’d give him the 52-48 or 53-47 push he’d need to have a real chance to win. And it’s likely the first drop may be reflective of an overall trend that continues with subsequent drops. And of course, there’s the uncanny 11:59 ballot run McGinn’s campaign made after the first drop that might have netted him a couple hundred extra votes :P

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/tag/2009+election Gomez

    One thing in Mallahan’s corner is that most of McGinn’s bandwagon made up their minds early to vote for him, so McGinn will likely have a bigger push among the early ballots than he will among the last minute voters, many of whom were undecided or not sold on him in general.

    However, I’m not sure if that’d give him the 52-48 or 53-47 push he’d need to have a real chance to win. And it’s likely the first drop may be reflective of an overall trend that continues with subsequent drops. And of course, there’s the uncanny 11:59 ballot run McGinn’s campaign made after the first drop that might have netted him a couple hundred extra votes :P

  • Gidge

    Just because you’ve made up your mind early doesn’t mean you cast your ballot early. I made up my mind months ago, but I just put my ballot in the drop box yesterday. I think that’s flawed logic.

  • Gidge

    Just because you’ve made up your mind early doesn’t mean you cast your ballot early. I made up my mind months ago, but I just put my ballot in the drop box yesterday. I think that’s flawed logic.

  • Gidge

    Just because you’ve made up your mind early doesn’t mean you cast your ballot early. I made up my mind months ago, but I just put my ballot in the drop box yesterday. I think that’s flawed logic.

  • http://bombasticmo.com/ BombasticMo

    I agree. I’ve known who I was going to vote for throughout almost the entire ticket since super early. I just didn’t want to fill out the ballot and be “done” with the process yet. So I didn’t put it in the mail till Monday.

    And I voted for McGinn. :)

  • http://bombasticmo.com/ BombasticMo

    I agree. I’ve known who I was going to vote for throughout almost the entire ticket since super early. I just didn’t want to fill out the ballot and be “done” with the process yet. So I didn’t put it in the mail till Monday.

    And I voted for McGinn. :)

  • http://bombasticmo.com BombasticMo

    I agree. I’ve known who I was going to vote for throughout almost the entire ticket since super early. I just didn’t want to fill out the ballot and be “done” with the process yet. So I didn’t put it in the mail till Monday.

    And I voted for McGinn. :)

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/tag/2009+election Gomez

    Well, that makes two of you.

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/tag/2009+election Gomez

    Well, that makes two of you.

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/tag/2009+election Gomez

    Well, that makes two of you.

  • Mateo Yglessias

    By “PubliCola has learned” do you mean you talked to Sandeep? :D

  • Mateo Yglessias

    By “PubliCola has learned” do you mean you talked to Sandeep? :D

  • Mateo Yglessias

    By “PubliCola has learned” do you mean you talked to Sandeep? :D

  • doubtful

    Its hard to compare a Dow v Susan race where the ideologies were so different to a joe v mike race. LIberal v conservatives and extremely moderate demorats compared to the very liberal v liberal/moderates it does not pencil

  • doubtful

    Its hard to compare a Dow v Susan race where the ideologies were so different to a joe v mike race. LIberal v conservatives and extremely moderate demorats compared to the very liberal v liberal/moderates it does not pencil

  • doubtful

    Its hard to compare a Dow v Susan race where the ideologies were so different to a joe v mike race. LIberal v conservatives and extremely moderate demorats compared to the very liberal v liberal/moderates it does not pencil

  • Cook

    I actually think susan might be right, and the boeing decision could actually help her with later voters. which would explain the bump. but who knows!

    plus, the gotv effort with mcginns campaign is amazing.

  • Cook

    I actually think susan might be right, and the boeing decision could actually help her with later voters. which would explain the bump. but who knows!

    plus, the gotv effort with mcginns campaign is amazing.

  • Cook

    I actually think susan might be right, and the boeing decision could actually help her with later voters. which would explain the bump. but who knows!

    plus, the gotv effort with mcginns campaign is amazing.

  • http://joshuadf.blogspot.com/ joshuadf

    I made up my mind late for McGinn and mailed my ballot late last week. Either guy may or may not make a decent mayor, I’m just happy about Dow, R-71, and 1033.

  • http://joshuadf.blogspot.com/ joshuadf

    I made up my mind late for McGinn and mailed my ballot late last week. Either guy may or may not make a decent mayor, I’m just happy about Dow, R-71, and 1033.

  • http://joshuadf.blogspot.com joshuadf

    I made up my mind late for McGinn and mailed my ballot late last week. Either guy may or may not make a decent mayor, I’m just happy about Dow, R-71, and 1033.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUs9hGUzDMI charlie

    This is interesting. It’s hard to imagine anybody who voted for Hutchison voting for McGinn. So a slight swing for Hutchison might equal a slight swing for Mallahan. Then again many of the people who voted for King County executive couldn’t vote for mayor, so who knows.

    By the way, does anyone have any news on how Blomstrom’s doing?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUs9hGUzDMI charlie

    This is interesting. It’s hard to imagine anybody who voted for Hutchison voting for McGinn. So a slight swing for Hutchison might equal a slight swing for Mallahan. Then again many of the people who voted for King County executive couldn’t vote for mayor, so who knows.

    By the way, does anyone have any news on how Blomstrom’s doing?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUs9hGUzDMI charlie

    This is interesting. It’s hard to imagine anybody who voted for Hutchison voting for McGinn. So a slight swing for Hutchison might equal a slight swing for Mallahan. Then again many of the people who voted for King County executive couldn’t vote for mayor, so who knows.

    By the way, does anyone have any news on how Blomstrom’s doing?

  • Justarumor….

    Don’t be surprised if Tim Ceis is asked to stay on
    for McGinn…

  • Justarumor….

    Don’t be surprised if Tim Ceis is asked to stay on
    for McGinn…

  • Justarumor….

    Don’t be surprised if Tim Ceis is asked to stay on
    for McGinn…

  • Fritata eater

    actually quite a few fiscal conservatives could’ve voted for mcginn and hutchison, duh

    why you think mcginn and o’brien were hitting fox news with ther $15K in overruns ads?

  • Fritata eater

    actually quite a few fiscal conservatives could’ve voted for mcginn and hutchison, duh

    why you think mcginn and o’brien were hitting fox news with ther $15K in overruns ads?

  • Fritata eater

    actually quite a few fiscal conservatives could’ve voted for mcginn and hutchison, duh

    why you think mcginn and o’brien were hitting fox news with ther $15K in overruns ads?

  • Jon23

    I know Seattle “reds” that were Hutchison-McGinn voters. The tunnel overruns issue certainly resonated with those folks vs. Mallahan’s “stretch” for Obama voters (i.e. I was a Community Organizer too!)

  • Jon23

    I know Seattle “reds” that were Hutchison-McGinn voters. The tunnel overruns issue certainly resonated with those folks vs. Mallahan’s “stretch” for Obama voters (i.e. I was a Community Organizer too!)

  • Jon23

    I know Seattle “reds” that were Hutchison-McGinn voters. The tunnel overruns issue certainly resonated with those folks vs. Mallahan’s “stretch” for Obama voters (i.e. I was a Community Organizer too!)

  • Morning Fizzy

    My guess is that the there will be a V pattern – Mallahan will do better in the middle of the returns – McGinn fans probably voted early and he was winning at the very end.

  • Morning Fizzy

    My guess is that the there will be a V pattern – Mallahan will do better in the middle of the returns – McGinn fans probably voted early and he was winning at the very end.

  • Morning Fizzy

    My guess is that the there will be a V pattern – Mallahan will do better in the middle of the returns – McGinn fans probably voted early and he was winning at the very end.

  • http://www.dougsvotersguide.com/ DOUG.

    County vs. City = Apples vs. Oranges.

  • http://www.dougsvotersguide.com/ DOUG.

    County vs. City = Apples vs. Oranges.

  • http://www.dougsvotersguide.com DOUG.

    County vs. City = Apples vs. Oranges.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUs9hGUzDMI charlie

    @12

    Okay. I know I had heard that he might be attracting some fiscally conservative voters because of that issue, but it still seems surprising to me. After all, he and Hutchison have such drastically different stances on light rail. It seems to me that he doesn’t mind spending money, he just doesn’t want to spend it on the tunnel. Plus Mallahan was the one touting his pro-business credentials and talking about how there was too much of a tax burden on local businesses, whereas McGinn said that he didn’t agree with giving any tax breaks to businesses.

    But I guess it’s a little silly for me to speculate on the reasoning of a group I don’t belong to. If there is a correlation between Hutchison-Mallahan voters it’s obviously not perfect.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUs9hGUzDMI charlie

    @12

    Okay. I know I had heard that he might be attracting some fiscally conservative voters because of that issue, but it still seems surprising to me. After all, he and Hutchison have such drastically different stances on light rail. It seems to me that he doesn’t mind spending money, he just doesn’t want to spend it on the tunnel. Plus Mallahan was the one touting his pro-business credentials and talking about how there was too much of a tax burden on local businesses, whereas McGinn said that he didn’t agree with giving any tax breaks to businesses.

    But I guess it’s a little silly for me to speculate on the reasoning of a group I don’t belong to. If there is a correlation between Hutchison-Mallahan voters it’s obviously not perfect.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUs9hGUzDMI charlie

    @12

    Okay. I know I had heard that he might be attracting some fiscally conservative voters because of that issue, but it still seems surprising to me. After all, he and Hutchison have such drastically different stances on light rail. It seems to me that he doesn’t mind spending money, he just doesn’t want to spend it on the tunnel. Plus Mallahan was the one touting his pro-business credentials and talking about how there was too much of a tax burden on local businesses, whereas McGinn said that he didn’t agree with giving any tax breaks to businesses.

    But I guess it’s a little silly for me to speculate on the reasoning of a group I don’t belong to. If there is a correlation between Hutchison-Mallahan voters it’s obviously not perfect.

  • jfred

    I think another way to project the upcoming votes is that younger voters tend to vote later according to some “experts” which would favor MM. Will be interesting to see what the permutations or combinations are with the upcoming drops.

  • jfred

    I think another way to project the upcoming votes is that younger voters tend to vote later according to some “experts” which would favor MM. Will be interesting to see what the permutations or combinations are with the upcoming drops.

  • jfred

    I think another way to project the upcoming votes is that younger voters tend to vote later according to some “experts” which would favor MM. Will be interesting to see what the permutations or combinations are with the upcoming drops.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    49.77 mcginn
    49.33 mallahan

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    49.77 mcginn
    49.33 mallahan

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    49.77 mcginn
    49.33 mallahan

  • Joshtown

    The margin by which 1033 is failing decreased a little with the newest wave of late ballots (http://publicola.net/?p=17905). This is another potential indicator that late voters are conservative voters in this election.

  • Joshtown

    The margin by which 1033 is failing decreased a little with the newest wave of late ballots (http://publicola.net/?p=17905). This is another potential indicator that late voters are conservative voters in this election.

  • Joshtown

    The margin by which 1033 is failing decreased a little with the newest wave of late ballots (http://publicola.net/?p=17905). This is another potential indicator that late voters are conservative voters in this election.

  • Gidge

    @10–nope. According to the Times, Ceis is serving on Dow’s transition team.

  • Gidge

    @10–nope. According to the Times, Ceis is serving on Dow’s transition team.

  • Gidge

    @10–nope. According to the Times, Ceis is serving on Dow’s transition team.

  • palamedes

    I remember hearing that McGinn’s people went out late into the evening on Election Night in search of any voters favoring their candidate that hadn’t done their civic duty yet. I don’t remember hearing any such work happening to any extent from Mallahan’s campaign.

    To say that would be the predominant trend for late votes in general for the Seattle mayor’s race would be silly, but, just something to note.

  • palamedes

    I remember hearing that McGinn’s people went out late into the evening on Election Night in search of any voters favoring their candidate that hadn’t done their civic duty yet. I don’t remember hearing any such work happening to any extent from Mallahan’s campaign.

    To say that would be the predominant trend for late votes in general for the Seattle mayor’s race would be silly, but, just something to note.

  • palamedes

    I remember hearing that McGinn’s people went out late into the evening on Election Night in search of any voters favoring their candidate that hadn’t done their civic duty yet. I don’t remember hearing any such work happening to any extent from Mallahan’s campaign.

    To say that would be the predominant trend for late votes in general for the Seattle mayor’s race would be silly, but, just something to note.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtX1ECZfa8I David v. Goliath

    Fritata Eater @ 11: Evidence for your position…

    The Survey USA poll from Nov. 2 showed Mallahan beating McGinn by nearly 20 points among self-IDed “moderates” but edging him out among “conservatives” by just 6 points. I’d say those are your Hutchinson-McGinn voters right there.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtX1ECZfa8I David v. Goliath

    Fritata Eater @ 11: Evidence for your position…

    The Survey USA poll from Nov. 2 showed Mallahan beating McGinn by nearly 20 points among self-IDed “moderates” but edging him out among “conservatives” by just 6 points. I’d say those are your Hutchinson-McGinn voters right there.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtX1ECZfa8I David v. Goliath

    Fritata Eater @ 11: Evidence for your position…

    The Survey USA poll from Nov. 2 showed Mallahan beating McGinn by nearly 20 points among self-IDed “moderates” but edging him out among “conservatives” by just 6 points. I’d say those are your Hutchinson-McGinn voters right there.