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Records Sealed Until After Election in Alleged Complaint Against Constantine

[Editor's note: This story has been updated with comments from the Hutchison campaign; it was originally posted earlier this afternoon.]

The conservative blog Sound Politics reported this morning that King County Council member (and County Executive candidate) Dow Constantine has been the subject of complaints of unspecified inappropriate behavior by a female county employee. The exact substance of the allegations, however, is unknown: After Seattle Times reporter Keith Ervin filed a records request for “any complaints alleging inappropriate behavior” by Constantine “toward any employee” with the county, a woman, identified in court documents as Jane Doe, obtained a two-week temporary restraining order against the release of the documents. A hearing on the restraining order is scheduled for November 10.

On the right-wing Kirby Wilbur talk show on KVI this morning, the Sound Politics blogger who wrote the post, Mark Griswold, told Wilbur the woman had filed a “sexual harassment complaint” against Constantine, adding that there was “some pretty credible information out there” that the woman was told she would be promoted “as long as you keep quiet about this whole thing.”

However, after Griswold made similar comments on KIRO’s Dori Monson show later in the day, the woman’s attorney, Tyler Firkins, contacted a KIRO producer, insisting that his client hadn’t filed any complaint against Constantine.

Moreover, Constantine’s campaign spokesman, Sandeep Kaushik, calls the Sound Politics blogger’s claims “false and malicious,” and says there’s no truth to the allegation that “Jane Doe” filed a sexual harassment complaint against Constantine. He adds,  “Susan Hutchison is becoming increasingly desperate because she knows she’s losing this race. …[Griswold] doesn’t know what he’s talking about and he’s not a credible source.”

Both Wilbur and Griswold suggested that the restraining order had been timed specifically so that the hearing would be after the election. Wilbur said, “My suspicion is that the intent here was simply to keep it off the docket until after the election,” to which Griswold responded, “It’s very convenient that the hearing is going to be … well after the election.”

However, Wilbur and Griswold’s allegations of dirty tricks surrounding the timing of the restraining order hearing seem baseless; temporary restraining orders, which are generally granted when requested, generally last at least two weeks. In other words, even if the woman had filed a request for the restraining order the same day Ervin filed his records request, October 20, her hearing wouild have been after the election.

Hutchison’s spokesman, Jordan McCarren, says he initiated a call with Ervin and found out that Ervin, in response to his initial request, received a heavily redacted document involving Constantine and a female employee. “We are not involved,” McCarren says. McCarren, however, could not provide details about the alleged document. In an email, Ervin declined to comment.

Neither Firkins nor Griswold has returned an email requesting comment.




  • A from Seattle

    I’m confused, is there or isn’t there a restraining order? If there isn’t, what is the hearing about? And if everything is baseless, why file a restraining order?

    What’s the difference between the release of these documents and those names on the R71 petition?

    Damn Right wing blogs! Damn them to hell!

  • A from Seattle

    I’m confused, is there or isn’t there a restraining order? If there isn’t, what is the hearing about? And if everything is baseless, why file a restraining order?

    What’s the difference between the release of these documents and those names on the R71 petition?

    Damn Right wing blogs! Damn them to hell!

  • A from Seattle

    I’m confused, is there or isn’t there a restraining order? If there isn’t, what is the hearing about? And if everything is baseless, why file a restraining order?

    What’s the difference between the release of these documents and those names on the R71 petition?

    Damn Right wing blogs! Damn them to hell!

  • hmmmm

    Any time a s.h. complaint is filed, the employer is obligated to keep the details in confidence to protect both the employer and the employee. That this has been sealed is what every employer does when this accusation/complaint is raised. It does not matter if there is any substance to the complaint or not.

    But of course, a rumor about a complaint that does not exist is substantiated by the lack of evidence, like all consiracy theories; the lack of proof is the self justification of the “hiding” of the so called conspiracy.

    I could just as easily make that accusation about anyone at this website, and after it was denied, that is “proof” of the “cover up”. See how that works?

    Why the garbage on KVI gets churned out as “news” here is beyond me, and reflects a lack of will to report any actual news or do any real digging.

  • hmmmm

    Any time a s.h. complaint is filed, the employer is obligated to keep the details in confidence to protect both the employer and the employee. That this has been sealed is what every employer does when this accusation/complaint is raised. It does not matter if there is any substance to the complaint or not.

    But of course, a rumor about a complaint that does not exist is substantiated by the lack of evidence, like all consiracy theories; the lack of proof is the self justification of the “hiding” of the so called conspiracy.

    I could just as easily make that accusation about anyone at this website, and after it was denied, that is “proof” of the “cover up”. See how that works?

    Why the garbage on KVI gets churned out as “news” here is beyond me, and reflects a lack of will to report any actual news or do any real digging.

  • hmmmm

    Any time a s.h. complaint is filed, the employer is obligated to keep the details in confidence to protect both the employer and the employee. That this has been sealed is what every employer does when this accusation/complaint is raised. It does not matter if there is any substance to the complaint or not.

    But of course, a rumor about a complaint that does not exist is substantiated by the lack of evidence, like all consiracy theories; the lack of proof is the self justification of the “hiding” of the so called conspiracy.

    I could just as easily make that accusation about anyone at this website, and after it was denied, that is “proof” of the “cover up”. See how that works?

    Why the garbage on KVI gets churned out as “news” here is beyond me, and reflects a lack of will to report any actual news or do any real digging.

  • http://peacetreefarm.org N in Seattle

    Jane Doe is the one who doesn’t want the documents made public. Would she do that if she “had something” on Constantine?

  • Luigi Giovanni

    I can understand Kaushik’s indignation with Mark Griswold. However, I don’t see any evidence of Hutchison’s involvement.

  • Luigi Giovanni

    I can understand Kaushik’s indignation with Mark Griswold. However, I don’t see any evidence of Hutchison’s involvement.

  • oh my!

    The right-wing blogger has another post up claiming Firkins has a track record of handling cases involving sexual misconduct, and links to a 2003 “Coaches That Prey” series run by the Seattle Times.

    Shouldn’t all journalists seek truth and report it? Because it sure seems like Erica is fine and dandy with the fact that these documents, potentially damaging to her candidate, won’t be released until after the election. That’s certainly not the attitude, or the ethical standard, one should expect of a professional journalist.

    Besides, if there’s something juicy in here, surely you will re-post it and gave the same attention to your “scoop” involving racy text messages? Oh but wait, that’s right, the documents are being kept secret. So much for that…

  • oh my!

    The right-wing blogger has another post up claiming Firkins has a track record of handling cases involving sexual misconduct, and links to a 2003 “Coaches That Prey” series run by the Seattle Times.

    Shouldn’t all journalists seek truth and report it? Because it sure seems like Erica is fine and dandy with the fact that these documents, potentially damaging to her candidate, won’t be released until after the election. That’s certainly not the attitude, or the ethical standard, one should expect of a professional journalist.

    Besides, if there’s something juicy in here, surely you will re-post it and gave the same attention to your “scoop” involving racy text messages? Oh but wait, that’s right, the documents are being kept secret. So much for that…

  • Luigi Giovanni

    I can understand Kaushik’s indignation with Mark Griswold. However, I don’t see any evidence of Hutchison’s involvement.

  • oh my!

    The right-wing blogger has another post up claiming Firkins has a track record of handling cases involving sexual misconduct, and links to a 2003 “Coaches That Prey” series run by the Seattle Times.

    Shouldn’t all journalists seek truth and report it? Because it sure seems like Erica is fine and dandy with the fact that these documents, potentially damaging to her candidate, won’t be released until after the election. That’s certainly not the attitude, or the ethical standard, one should expect of a professional journalist.

    Besides, if there’s something juicy in here, surely you will re-post it and gave the same attention to your “scoop” involving racy text messages? Oh but wait, that’s right, the documents are being kept secret. So much for that…

  • OMG it’s ECB

    I have noticed that Publicola has stopped putting the disclaimer on articles with Sandeep telling us of the conflict of interest he has with this blog…It’s a real shame the Seattle Times has this information and is refusing to write anything about it.

  • OMG it’s ECB

    I have noticed that Publicola has stopped putting the disclaimer on articles with Sandeep telling us of the conflict of interest he has with this blog…It’s a real shame the Seattle Times has this information and is refusing to write anything about it.

  • OMG it’s ECB

    I have noticed that Publicola has stopped putting the disclaimer on articles with Sandeep telling us of the conflict of interest he has with this blog…It’s a real shame the Seattle Times has this information and is refusing to write anything about it.

  • WOW !

    # 2 – I think, because I don’t listen – but maybe you do, KVI is talk radio. Not a news outlet, but pure entertainment. Much like Publicola, Soundpolitics is a blog. Entertainers and bloggers are under no obligation to “dig” or report “news”.

  • WOW !

    # 2 – I think, because I don’t listen – but maybe you do, KVI is talk radio. Not a news outlet, but pure entertainment. Much like Publicola, Soundpolitics is a blog. Entertainers and bloggers are under no obligation to “dig” or report “news”.

  • WOW !

    # 2 – I think, because I don’t listen – but maybe you do, KVI is talk radio. Not a news outlet, but pure entertainment. Much like Publicola, Soundpolitics is a blog. Entertainers and bloggers are under no obligation to “dig” or report “news”.

  • pl

    I wouldn’t put it past the old dog…

  • pl

    I wouldn’t put it past the old dog…

  • pl

    I wouldn’t put it past the old dog…

  • BOOOOOOOM

    The Times needs to write on this. They paid for the lawyers to open Hutchison’s record in a suit between private parties (which were also allegations). They demanded open government and the people’s right to know who they were voting for.

    The Times wrote dozens of articles on that lawsuit. They reported on the progress on the opening of that lawsuit before anyone knew what was in them. They wrote articles on Susan’s refusal to comment on the lawsuit. THIS IS CERTAINLY NEWSWORTHY.

  • BOOOOOOOM

    The Times needs to write on this. They paid for the lawyers to open Hutchison’s record in a suit between private parties (which were also allegations). They demanded open government and the people’s right to know who they were voting for.

    The Times wrote dozens of articles on that lawsuit. They reported on the progress on the opening of that lawsuit before anyone knew what was in them. They wrote articles on Susan’s refusal to comment on the lawsuit. THIS IS CERTAINLY NEWSWORTHY.

  • BOOOOOOOM

    The Times needs to write on this. They paid for the lawyers to open Hutchison’s record in a suit between private parties (which were also allegations). They demanded open government and the people’s right to know who they were voting for.

    The Times wrote dozens of articles on that lawsuit. They reported on the progress on the opening of that lawsuit before anyone knew what was in them. They wrote articles on Susan’s refusal to comment on the lawsuit. THIS IS CERTAINLY NEWSWORTHY.

  • BOOOOOOOM
  • BOOOOOOOM
  • BOOOOOOOM
  • Mikos

    You can’t write anything if you don’t have the information. The Times may end up reporting on this, but right now it looks like they have nothing but accusations.

  • Mikos

    You can’t write anything if you don’t have the information. The Times may end up reporting on this, but right now it looks like they have nothing but accusations.

  • Mikos

    You can’t write anything if you don’t have the information. The Times may end up reporting on this, but right now it looks like they have nothing but accusations.

  • oh my!

    Kaushik’s reponse is weak. Constantine should come out blasting on this, unles…he’d just rather not talk about it. Ahem.

    Attacking his opponent, as somehow being responsible for his problems, through his spokesman no less (!), is an incredibly stupid move. What about Keith Ervin, is he a hack too? It seems the Times has got something hot here…will they run with it?

    Kaushik has been roundly criticized for his handling of the last minute attacks against Darcy Burner’s Economics degree.

    Is he sinking another progressive candidate’s campaign with crappy PR advice?

  • oh my!

    Kaushik’s reponse is weak. Constantine should come out blasting on this, unles…he’d just rather not talk about it. Ahem.

    Attacking his opponent, as somehow being responsible for his problems, through his spokesman no less (!), is an incredibly stupid move. What about Keith Ervin, is he a hack too? It seems the Times has got something hot here…will they run with it?

    Kaushik has been roundly criticized for his handling of the last minute attacks against Darcy Burner’s Economics degree.

    Is he sinking another progressive candidate’s campaign with crappy PR advice?

  • oh my!

    Kaushik’s reponse is weak. Constantine should come out blasting on this, unles…he’d just rather not talk about it. Ahem.

    Attacking his opponent, as somehow being responsible for his problems, through his spokesman no less (!), is an incredibly stupid move. What about Keith Ervin, is he a hack too? It seems the Times has got something hot here…will they run with it?

    Kaushik has been roundly criticized for his handling of the last minute attacks against Darcy Burner’s Economics degree.

    Is he sinking another progressive candidate’s campaign with crappy PR advice?

  • That’s what she said

    Cathy Lambert offered to trade her “goodies” for a flood district vote. When Dow politely declined she threw into a rage, accused him of vote trading and looking at her ass wrong. If it had been me I would have hit that shit. Love those cougars.

  • That’s what she said

    Cathy Lambert offered to trade her “goodies” for a flood district vote. When Dow politely declined she threw into a rage, accused him of vote trading and looking at her ass wrong. If it had been me I would have hit that shit. Love those cougars.

  • That’s what she said

    Cathy Lambert offered to trade her “goodies” for a flood district vote. When Dow politely declined she threw into a rage, accused him of vote trading and looking at her ass wrong. If it had been me I would have hit that shit. Love those cougars.

  • stinky

    Wait a minute, didn’t Hutchison also make baseless allegations of hostile work environment and sexual harassment against her employer after she was busted abusing sick leave because her vacation request was denied?

    Yes, yes, I do recall somewhere hearing about this..Perhaps it was in the Seattle Times?

    Ah, yes, and here are the details:

    [b]Hutchison had stormy relationship with bosses[/b]
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2009621555_hutchison08m.html

    “After her demotion, Hutchison began suggesting to co-workers that Woodin and Swenson were having an affair, co-workers said in depositions. The managers frequently lunched together at Chandler’s Crabhouse on Lake Union to talk privately about personnel matters, Woodin said.

    Hutchison confronted Woodin in June 2002, and he denied the allegation. He also denied the affair in a sworn deposition.

    Hutchison’s concern with Woodin’s behavior didn’t stop there.

    Sometime in 2002, Hutchison learned he hired a young female intern who had no broadcast experience. Hutchison said she feared the intern would displace a friend, and Hutchison told a co-worker she suspected Woodin was trying to sleep with the intern.

    Hutchison also said as much to the intern’s mother, saying Woodin would “demand sexual favors” from the intern, according to the mother’s sworn statement. [b]Hutchison also claimed that KIRO was a “bad environment” because of “drug abuse” and “sexual misconduct,”[/b] according to Woodin’s account of a conversation he had with the intern’s father.

    KIRO contended that Hutchison’s statements to the woman’s mother were false. The station’s lawyers also argued that had Woodin known “the full extent of Hutchison’s conduct, he would have fired her immediately.”

    Pardon my polite chuckle, but the allegations against Constantine seem like vintage Susan behavior.

    The only thing missing are her accounts of her bleeding hemmorhoid.

  • stinky

    Wait a minute, didn’t Hutchison also make baseless allegations of hostile work environment and sexual harassment against her employer after she was busted abusing sick leave because her vacation request was denied?

    Yes, yes, I do recall somewhere hearing about this..Perhaps it was in the Seattle Times?

    Ah, yes, and here are the details:

    [b]Hutchison had stormy relationship with bosses[/b]
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2009621555_hutchison08m.html

    “After her demotion, Hutchison began suggesting to co-workers that Woodin and Swenson were having an affair, co-workers said in depositions. The managers frequently lunched together at Chandler’s Crabhouse on Lake Union to talk privately about personnel matters, Woodin said.

    Hutchison confronted Woodin in June 2002, and he denied the allegation. He also denied the affair in a sworn deposition.

    Hutchison’s concern with Woodin’s behavior didn’t stop there.

    Sometime in 2002, Hutchison learned he hired a young female intern who had no broadcast experience. Hutchison said she feared the intern would displace a friend, and Hutchison told a co-worker she suspected Woodin was trying to sleep with the intern.

    Hutchison also said as much to the intern’s mother, saying Woodin would “demand sexual favors” from the intern, according to the mother’s sworn statement. [b]Hutchison also claimed that KIRO was a “bad environment” because of “drug abuse” and “sexual misconduct,”[/b] according to Woodin’s account of a conversation he had with the intern’s father.

    KIRO contended that Hutchison’s statements to the woman’s mother were false. The station’s lawyers also argued that had Woodin known “the full extent of Hutchison’s conduct, he would have fired her immediately.”

    Pardon my polite chuckle, but the allegations against Constantine seem like vintage Susan behavior.

    The only thing missing are her accounts of her bleeding hemmorhoid.

  • Truthnerd

    You all must be new around these parts. Everyone knows Dow is a playa.

  • Truthnerd

    You all must be new around these parts. Everyone knows Dow is a playa.

  • Truthnerd

    You all must be new around these parts. Everyone knows Dow is a playa.

  • simcha

    Wasn’t there a push poll out there that suggested Dow was gay? Now he’s straight hitting on chicks at work? Maybe we’ll have pictures of Dow in a Little Bow Peep outfit making out with a cat from the animal shelter.

    Gimme something interesting, wouldja?

  • simcha

    Wasn’t there a push poll out there that suggested Dow was gay? Now he’s straight hitting on chicks at work? Maybe we’ll have pictures of Dow in a Little Bow Peep outfit making out with a cat from the animal shelter.

    Gimme something interesting, wouldja?

  • simcha

    Wasn’t there a push poll out there that suggested Dow was gay? Now he’s straight hitting on chicks at work? Maybe we’ll have pictures of Dow in a Little Bow Peep outfit making out with a cat from the animal shelter.

    Gimme something interesting, wouldja?

  • Laurant

    I know the facts of the situation, and I can tell you there was absolutely no inappropriate behavior on the part of Constantine. No restraining order, no report of sexual harassment, no offer of a promotion to hush anyone up. His name will be completely cleared in due time. There’s going to be a whole lot of sorely disappointed nutjobs over at soundpolitics, both on election day and a few weeks later.

  • Laurant

    I know the facts of the situation, and I can tell you there was absolutely no inappropriate behavior on the part of Constantine. No restraining order, no report of sexual harassment, no offer of a promotion to hush anyone up. His name will be completely cleared in due time. There’s going to be a whole lot of sorely disappointed nutjobs over at soundpolitics, both on election day and a few weeks later.

  • Laurant

    I know the facts of the situation, and I can tell you there was absolutely no inappropriate behavior on the part of Constantine. No restraining order, no report of sexual harassment, no offer of a promotion to hush anyone up. His name will be completely cleared in due time. There’s going to be a whole lot of sorely disappointed nutjobs over at soundpolitics, both on election day and a few weeks later.

  • Iknowdow

    @15 Obvioiusly the only real insider commenting here. Dow has hooked up with a lot of people. Sounds strange but he really is a playa.

  • Iknowdow

    @15 Obvioiusly the only real insider commenting here. Dow has hooked up with a lot of people. Sounds strange but he really is a playa.

  • Iknowdow

    @15 Obvioiusly the only real insider commenting here. Dow has hooked up with a lot of people. Sounds strange but he really is a playa.

  • Dorothy

    I think 17 has the details. This is probably a not very exciting in reality, but people love the idea of it being salacious.

    18 – for the record, he has a long time girlfriend who actually is quite attractive and interesting.

  • Dorothy

    I think 17 has the details. This is probably a not very exciting in reality, but people love the idea of it being salacious.

    18 – for the record, he has a long time girlfriend who actually is quite attractive and interesting.

  • stinky

    [i]Dow has hooked up with a lot of people.[/i]

    Well, I guess Dow’s just lost the “True Love Waits” vote.

  • stinky

    [i]Dow has hooked up with a lot of people.[/i]

    Well, I guess Dow’s just lost the “True Love Waits” vote.

  • Dorothy

    I think 17 has the details. This is probably a not very exciting in reality, but people love the idea of it being salacious.

    18 – for the record, he has a long time girlfriend who actually is quite attractive and interesting.

  • stinky

    [i]Dow has hooked up with a lot of people.[/i]

    Well, I guess Dow’s just lost the “True Love Waits” vote.

  • Michael G

    I won’t take any of this stuff seriously until real evidence comes out. We all know fairly well that when emotions get charged up, rumors and baseless accusations start flying around.

  • Michael G

    I won’t take any of this stuff seriously until real evidence comes out. We all know fairly well that when emotions get charged up, rumors and baseless accusations start flying around.

  • Michael G

    I won’t take any of this stuff seriously until real evidence comes out. We all know fairly well that when emotions get charged up, rumors and baseless accusations start flying around.

  • FAIL

    there’s no story here no matter how hard the Hutchison wants one.

    But nice desperate hail mary pass in the 4th qtr to try to come from behind. I don’t want people like Hutchison’s folks running King County. They are creepy like Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, and dumb like Sarah Palin and George Bush.

    Dow’s got my vote all the way.

  • FAIL

    there’s no story here no matter how hard the Hutchison wants one.

    But nice desperate hail mary pass in the 4th qtr to try to come from behind. I don’t want people like Hutchison’s folks running King County. They are creepy like Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, and dumb like Sarah Palin and George Bush.

    Dow’s got my vote all the way.

  • FAIL

    there’s no story here no matter how hard the Hutchison wants one.

    But nice desperate hail mary pass in the 4th qtr to try to come from behind. I don’t want people like Hutchison’s folks running King County. They are creepy like Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, and dumb like Sarah Palin and George Bush.

    Dow’s got my vote all the way.

  • scoopalicious

    @17 Oh rah-ha-healy. Do tell then. Lots of “insiders” claiming to know shit, just trying to sound important.

    Here’s the latest skinny: Jane Doe is a King County employee. She complained to a sup. about comments Dow made to her.

    After being advised of her rights, she got cold feet, and backed off filing a complaint. No idea why she’s afraid for her job now, though. If she was fired, she could claim retaliation. Grapevine suggests she’s all DOW NOW! and shit all of a sudden (Stockholm Syndrome?).

    That being said, from this thread and others, there could be actual, real complaints out there against Dow.

    A Weekly commenter put it pretty well, something about never being able to take the “frat” out of a “frat dick”… ack, I digress.

  • scoopalicious

    @17 Oh rah-ha-healy. Do tell then. Lots of “insiders” claiming to know shit, just trying to sound important.

    Here’s the latest skinny: Jane Doe is a King County employee. She complained to a sup. about comments Dow made to her.

    After being advised of her rights, she got cold feet, and backed off filing a complaint. No idea why she’s afraid for her job now, though. If she was fired, she could claim retaliation. Grapevine suggests she’s all DOW NOW! and shit all of a sudden (Stockholm Syndrome?).

    That being said, from this thread and others, there could be actual, real complaints out there against Dow.

    A Weekly commenter put it pretty well, something about never being able to take the “frat” out of a “frat dick”… ack, I digress.

  • scoopalicious

    @17 Oh rah-ha-healy. Do tell then. Lots of “insiders” claiming to know shit, just trying to sound important.

    Here’s the latest skinny: Jane Doe is a King County employee. She complained to a sup. about comments Dow made to her.

    After being advised of her rights, she got cold feet, and backed off filing a complaint. No idea why she’s afraid for her job now, though. If she was fired, she could claim retaliation. Grapevine suggests she’s all DOW NOW! and shit all of a sudden (Stockholm Syndrome?).

    That being said, from this thread and others, there could be actual, real complaints out there against Dow.

    A Weekly commenter put it pretty well, something about never being able to take the “frat” out of a “frat dick”… ack, I digress.

  • L. Sen

    Hello, let’s see a judge signed it to make it an ordera.So obviously someone who has some brains saw this stuff and decided that it should be sealed.
    If you all say he is a playa, why aren’t you standing up for the women you care about and saying something about playas who make women they work with go to the court for orders. Ask his wife? He does not have one. The 20 year girlfriend is just that and what does she do when he is a playa?

  • L. Sen

    Hello, let’s see a judge signed it to make it an ordera.So obviously someone who has some brains saw this stuff and decided that it should be sealed.
    If you all say he is a playa, why aren’t you standing up for the women you care about and saying something about playas who make women they work with go to the court for orders. Ask his wife? He does not have one. The 20 year girlfriend is just that and what does she do when he is a playa?

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    @28 and the others saying these things.

    The really funny thing is that if you guys are making this crap up, you’ve now painted a delightful free pass on your foreheads for Dow to file a lovely defamation lawsuit on you and win pretty trivially. This seems to be pretty clear across those “intent to harm” thresholds.

    Josh, make sure you save those server logs for the subpoenas!

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com/ Joe Szilagyi

    @28 and the others saying these things.

    The really funny thing is that if you guys are making this crap up, you’ve now painted a delightful free pass on your foreheads for Dow to file a lovely defamation lawsuit on you and win pretty trivially. This seems to be pretty clear across those “intent to harm” thresholds.

    Josh, make sure you save those server logs for the subpoenas!

  • http://www.joeszilagyi.com Joe Szilagyi

    @28 and the others saying these things.

    The really funny thing is that if you guys are making this crap up, you’ve now painted a delightful free pass on your foreheads for Dow to file a lovely defamation lawsuit on you and win pretty trivially. This seems to be pretty clear across those “intent to harm” thresholds.

    Josh, make sure you save those server logs for the subpoenas!

  • FAIL

    @28 – you are so completely full of it. First, no one on central staff would ever post this because they know that when you post online, your computer id is trackable. Second, your story isn’t even believeable.

    You Republicans are pissed because Dow’s campaign staff had a plan, and the plan has worked. First it was to define Dow and the good things he stands for. Then this week it was to define Susan and what she stands for. You’re bummed because your world view – anti-public education, anti-transit, the rejection of Science – especially concerning the environment, etc, etc – is being rejected by the citizens of King County. I know this must be frustrating, but the reality is that Susan’s conservative values are not popular in King County. Deal with it by adjusting your values enough to get elected. But don’t think that spreading rumors about Dow is going to win you an election. It’s not, and at the end of it, people will hate Republicans in King County even more than they do now. Good for the Dems.

  • FAIL

    @28 – you are so completely full of it. First, no one on central staff would ever post this because they know that when you post online, your computer id is trackable. Second, your story isn’t even believeable.

    You Republicans are pissed because Dow’s campaign staff had a plan, and the plan has worked. First it was to define Dow and the good things he stands for. Then this week it was to define Susan and what she stands for. You’re bummed because your world view – anti-public education, anti-transit, the rejection of Science – especially concerning the environment, etc, etc – is being rejected by the citizens of King County. I know this must be frustrating, but the reality is that Susan’s conservative values are not popular in King County. Deal with it by adjusting your values enough to get elected. But don’t think that spreading rumors about Dow is going to win you an election. It’s not, and at the end of it, people will hate Republicans in King County even more than they do now. Good for the Dems.

  • FAIL

    @28 – you are so completely full of it. First, no one on central staff would ever post this because they know that when you post online, your computer id is trackable. Second, your story isn’t even believeable.

    You Republicans are pissed because Dow’s campaign staff had a plan, and the plan has worked. First it was to define Dow and the good things he stands for. Then this week it was to define Susan and what she stands for. You’re bummed because your world view – anti-public education, anti-transit, the rejection of Science – especially concerning the environment, etc, etc – is being rejected by the citizens of King County. I know this must be frustrating, but the reality is that Susan’s conservative values are not popular in King County. Deal with it by adjusting your values enough to get elected. But don’t think that spreading rumors about Dow is going to win you an election. It’s not, and at the end of it, people will hate Republicans in King County even more than they do now. Good for the Dems.

  • Meinert

    It’s hilarious to me that Kirby Wilbur has any cred at all, and is quoted in this story as some kind of journalistic voice. He’s nothing but a bile spewing gas bag.

    Several years ago I was walking to see Hilary give a speech on health care at Westlake Park. Some really uptight fat ass blowhard was talking mad shit behind me. I finally turned and said “easy man, you’re going to have a heart attack”. He looked at me, and in front of his aout 4 year old kid said “shut up faggot, I hope you get AIDS and die”. Great dude. He’s a D level Michael Savage. Total tool with zero cred.

    Of course on this story, he has cred with the people repeating it, cause I’m sure they feel the same about “fags” as Wilbur does, and are probably equally as big of Michael Savage fans.

    Dow’s going to win because he’s the best candidate. And I just vote for him 5 times.

  • Meinert

    It’s hilarious to me that Kirby Wilbur has any cred at all, and is quoted in this story as some kind of journalistic voice. He’s nothing but a bile spewing gas bag.

    Several years ago I was walking to see Hilary give a speech on health care at Westlake Park. Some really uptight fat ass blowhard was talking mad shit behind me. I finally turned and said “easy man, you’re going to have a heart attack”. He looked at me, and in front of his aout 4 year old kid said “shut up faggot, I hope you get AIDS and die”. Great dude. He’s a D level Michael Savage. Total tool with zero cred.

    Of course on this story, he has cred with the people repeating it, cause I’m sure they feel the same about “fags” as Wilbur does, and are probably equally as big of Michael Savage fans.

    Dow’s going to win because he’s the best candidate. And I just vote for him 5 times.

  • Meinert

    It’s hilarious to me that Kirby Wilbur has any cred at all, and is quoted in this story as some kind of journalistic voice. He’s nothing but a bile spewing gas bag.

    Several years ago I was walking to see Hilary give a speech on health care at Westlake Park. Some really uptight fat ass blowhard was talking mad shit behind me. I finally turned and said “easy man, you’re going to have a heart attack”. He looked at me, and in front of his aout 4 year old kid said “shut up faggot, I hope you get AIDS and die”. Great dude. He’s a D level Michael Savage. Total tool with zero cred.

    Of course on this story, he has cred with the people repeating it, cause I’m sure they feel the same about “fags” as Wilbur does, and are probably equally as big of Michael Savage fans.

    Dow’s going to win because he’s the best candidate. And I just vote for him 5 times.

  • Stick to the subject

    Davy @ #22: “I’ve yet to meet a male, Seattle progressive who is allowed out with his friends.”

    You haven’t met me or the friends I’m “allowed out” with, and considering the irrelevant garbage you’re posting, I’m glad.

  • Stick to the subject

    Davy @ #22: “I’ve yet to meet a male, Seattle progressive who is allowed out with his friends.”

    You haven’t met me or the friends I’m “allowed out” with, and considering the irrelevant garbage you’re posting, I’m glad.

  • Stick to the subject

    Davy @ #22: “I’ve yet to meet a male, Seattle progressive who is allowed out with his friends.”

    You haven’t met me or the friends I’m “allowed out” with, and considering the irrelevant garbage you’re posting, I’m glad.

  • Incredulous

    @11
    Nothing but accusations has been good enough for the Times with other smear articles this cycle. Curious that you believe there to be journalistic scruples at work in this instance. I am not for Dow, but I abhor this kind of low campaigning from any side.

    Also, find it curious (humorous?) that folks who read the articles and posts here take it so seriously. People, it is all opinion and conjecture(usually just to get a rise) for pity sake.

  • Incredulous

    @11
    Nothing but accusations has been good enough for the Times with other smear articles this cycle. Curious that you believe there to be journalistic scruples at work in this instance. I am not for Dow, but I abhor this kind of low campaigning from any side.

    Also, find it curious (humorous?) that folks who read the articles and posts here take it so seriously. People, it is all opinion and conjecture(usually just to get a rise) for pity sake.

  • Incredulous

    @11
    Nothing but accusations has been good enough for the Times with other smear articles this cycle. Curious that you believe there to be journalistic scruples at work in this instance. I am not for Dow, but I abhor this kind of low campaigning from any side.

    Also, find it curious (humorous?) that folks who read the articles and posts here take it so seriously. People, it is all opinion and conjecture(usually just to get a rise) for pity sake.

  • don

    I’m thinking the harassment was against Dow. If you read the info about the records request above “by Constantine” is not in quotes. I’ll bet that the records request asked for any information about sexual harassment “involving Constantine” (my quotes).

  • don

    I’m thinking the harassment was against Dow. If you read the info about the records request above “by Constantine” is not in quotes. I’ll bet that the records request asked for any information about sexual harassment “involving Constantine” (my quotes).

  • don

    I’m thinking the harassment was against Dow. If you read the info about the records request above “by Constantine” is not in quotes. I’ll bet that the records request asked for any information about sexual harassment “involving Constantine” (my quotes).

  • charley

    Let’s leave the puny little shrimp boy alone, he’s got enough problems. Let the King County Prosecutor’s Office decide on his fate.

  • charley

    Let’s leave the puny little shrimp boy alone, he’s got enough problems. Let the King County Prosecutor’s Office decide on his fate.

  • charley

    Let’s leave the puny little shrimp boy alone, he’s got enough problems. Let the King County Prosecutor’s Office decide on his fate.

  • Laurant

    Slusan has a history of making false accusations of sexual misconduct in retaliation when KIRO was sacking her for low ratings and getting old, hoarse and wrinkley. It’s not surprising that she and her henchwoman on the council Cathy “batshit crazy lying sack of shit” Lambert would be desperately trying anything to win–they are republicans after all.

  • Laurant

    Slusan has a history of making false accusations of sexual misconduct in retaliation when KIRO was sacking her for low ratings and getting old, hoarse and wrinkley. It’s not surprising that she and her henchwoman on the council Cathy “batshit crazy lying sack of shit” Lambert would be desperately trying anything to win–they are republicans after all.

  • Laurant

    Slusan has a history of making false accusations of sexual misconduct in retaliation when KIRO was sacking her for low ratings and getting old, hoarse and wrinkley. It’s not surprising that she and her henchwoman on the council Cathy “batshit crazy lying sack of shit” Lambert would be desperately trying anything to win–they are republicans after all.

  • Jarvis

    I just finished doing a little homework on this, including looking at Griswald’s posts at Sound Politics. So far there I find nothing in the record that indicates that Dow Constantine is even the subject of “Jane Doe’s” alleged complaint about improper conduct. So, how does Griswald know Dow Constantine is the person being complained about? Am I missing something here?

  • Jarvis

    I just finished doing a little homework on this, including looking at Griswald’s posts at Sound Politics. So far there I find nothing in the record that indicates that Dow Constantine is even the subject of “Jane Doe’s” alleged complaint about improper conduct. So, how does Griswald know Dow Constantine is the person being complained about? Am I missing something here?

  • Jarvis

    I just finished doing a little homework on this, including looking at Griswald’s posts at Sound Politics. So far there I find nothing in the record that indicates that Dow Constantine is even the subject of “Jane Doe’s” alleged complaint about improper conduct. So, how does Griswald know Dow Constantine is the person being complained about? Am I missing something here?

  • scooby

    Dow was interviewed by Essex Porter of KIRO re: the unfair practice matter this week. From Dow’s mouth he said this was coming from a “third party” source. So it is about him, and it sounds like the third party here is acting as the whistle blower. Wasn’t it Dow who sponsored and passed legislation protecting whistle blowers in King County government this year? Now he’s calling everyone liars, including the third party source. He needs to go down to the sheriff’s office and take a polygraph himself, good grief.

  • scooby

    Dow was interviewed by Essex Porter of KIRO re: the unfair practice matter this week. From Dow’s mouth he said this was coming from a “third party” source. So it is about him, and it sounds like the third party here is acting as the whistle blower. Wasn’t it Dow who sponsored and passed legislation protecting whistle blowers in King County government this year? Now he’s calling everyone liars, including the third party source. He needs to go down to the sheriff’s office and take a polygraph himself, good grief.

  • scooby

    Dow was interviewed by Essex Porter of KIRO re: the unfair practice matter this week. From Dow’s mouth he said this was coming from a “third party” source. So it is about him, and it sounds like the third party here is acting as the whistle blower. Wasn’t it Dow who sponsored and passed legislation protecting whistle blowers in King County government this year? Now he’s calling everyone liars, including the third party source. He needs to go down to the sheriff’s office and take a polygraph himself, good grief.

  • Laurant

    I wish Dow’s campaign would come out with the entire story on this, because it will show that he did absolutely nothing wrong and these allegations are entirely politically motivated. But I believe they feel that would just be playing to Slusan/Lambert’s strategy of telling lies and even if they’re disproved the stench still lingers. I’m sure at some point the truth will come out, and I will be LMAO at all the soundpolitics dorimonson shitheads that are trying to make something of this.

  • Laurant

    I wish Dow’s campaign would come out with the entire story on this, because it will show that he did absolutely nothing wrong and these allegations are entirely politically motivated. But I believe they feel that would just be playing to Slusan/Lambert’s strategy of telling lies and even if they’re disproved the stench still lingers. I’m sure at some point the truth will come out, and I will be LMAO at all the soundpolitics dorimonson shitheads that are trying to make something of this.

  • Laurant

    I wish Dow’s campaign would come out with the entire story on this, because it will show that he did absolutely nothing wrong and these allegations are entirely politically motivated. But I believe they feel that would just be playing to Slusan/Lambert’s strategy of telling lies and even if they’re disproved the stench still lingers. I’m sure at some point the truth will come out, and I will be LMAO at all the soundpolitics dorimonson shitheads that are trying to make something of this.

  • Mark L Griswold

    I just wish that Mark Griswold would start signing his posts with his middle initial, which oddly enough is “W”.

    I’ve had 5 years of this guy…

    a fan of Dow,

    Mark L Griswold

  • Mark L Griswold

    I just wish that Mark Griswold would start signing his posts with his middle initial, which oddly enough is “W”.

    I’ve had 5 years of this guy…

    a fan of Dow,

    Mark L Griswold

  • Mark L Griswold

    I just wish that Mark Griswold would start signing his posts with his middle initial, which oddly enough is “W”.

    I’ve had 5 years of this guy…

    a fan of Dow,

    Mark L Griswold

  • http://peacetreefarm.org/ N in Seattle

    Jane Doe is the one who doesn't want the documents made public. Would she do that if she “had something” on Constantine?