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Extra Fizz: McGinn Says…

I just interviewed Mike McGinn.

Asked how he responds to accusations (see his opponent Joe Mallahan’s press release) that he’s a flip flopper, McGinn says:

“I still oppose the tunnel. I think it’s a terrible decision for the city of Seattle. My statement is a simple acknowledgment of how the Democratic process works. The mayor is obligated to follow a 9-0 vote of the council. It’s not an option for the mayor to just ignore legislation.

I’ve consistently been against the tunnel. I remain opposed. Yesterday, I acknowledged that it’s not the mayor’s job to ignore legislation passed by the council.”

Asked what he says to supporters who were counting on him to throw his body in front of the boring machine to stop the project, McGinn says:

“I still oppose the tunnel, and I will ask the tough questions. Where’s the money? What effect will it have on the rest of the budget? Is the state going to be responsible for cost overruns?”

Is the tunnel a done deal now?

“We don’t know the cost. We shouldn’t be subject to cost overruns. And Even the council has acknowledged that we don’t have the cost estimates on this. If we can’t afford to pay for this, I would hope they’d choose a more practical alternative. I believe I-5/Transit [the surface/transit option] is a much smarter choice”

Asked if his conciliatory announcement was an acknowledgment that he was down in the polls, McGinn said:

“I have been moving up in the polls. The issue here was the council had a 9-0 vote and the public and the press wanted to know what my response would be, and they were entitled to know.

I do understand how the democratic process works. A mayor doesn’t get to ignore legislation.

Mayor Nickels opposed the parks levy, but he’s building parks now.”


  • sarah68

    An intelligent response, which I would expect from McGinn.

  • sarah68

    An intelligent response, which I would expect from McGinn.

  • sarah68

    An intelligent response, which I would expect from McGinn.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @1

    It would have been more intelligent if made this position adjustment in early September.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @1

    It would have been more intelligent if made this position adjustment in early September.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @1

    It would have been more intelligent if made this position adjustment in early September.

  • Brian K

    @2 Why give Mallahan time to regroup…Jason?

  • Brian K

    @2 Why give Mallahan time to regroup…Jason?

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    Correction @2

    @1

    It would have been more intelligent if McGinn made this position adjustment in early September.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    Correction @2

    @1

    It would have been more intelligent if McGinn made this position adjustment in early September.

  • Brian K

    @2 Why give Mallahan time to regroup…Jason?

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    Correction @2

    @1

    It would have been more intelligent if McGinn made this position adjustment in early September.

  • Mouth Agape

    Again, how can this possibly be satisfying to anyone? If you support the tunnel, then you can’t possibly trust McGinn to see it through. There are too many engineering, financing, taxation and project management decisions still to make. FAIL.

    If you oppose the tunnel, then you have to feel like he’s just caved in a major way. Council has voted with strong majorities several times in support of a tunnel. Why ignore all those statements and buckle under this one? FAIL.

    So, either McGinn has been outfoxed by Mayor and Council, in which case he’s not terribly realistic or strategically savvy, or McGinn is opportunistically trying to have it both ways with a wink to the tunnel opponents and an outstretched hand to its supporters with his true intentions still to be divined over time. Either way, he looks horrible. FAIL.

    Ergo, McGinn FAIL.

    I just don’t see an upside to any of this for him.

  • Mouth Agape

    Again, how can this possibly be satisfying to anyone? If you support the tunnel, then you can’t possibly trust McGinn to see it through. There are too many engineering, financing, taxation and project management decisions still to make. FAIL.

    If you oppose the tunnel, then you have to feel like he’s just caved in a major way. Council has voted with strong majorities several times in support of a tunnel. Why ignore all those statements and buckle under this one? FAIL.

    So, either McGinn has been outfoxed by Mayor and Council, in which case he’s not terribly realistic or strategically savvy, or McGinn is opportunistically trying to have it both ways with a wink to the tunnel opponents and an outstretched hand to its supporters with his true intentions still to be divined over time. Either way, he looks horrible. FAIL.

    Ergo, McGinn FAIL.

    I just don’t see an upside to any of this for him.

  • Mouth Agape

    Again, how can this possibly be satisfying to anyone? If you support the tunnel, then you can’t possibly trust McGinn to see it through. There are too many engineering, financing, taxation and project management decisions still to make. FAIL.

    If you oppose the tunnel, then you have to feel like he’s just caved in a major way. Council has voted with strong majorities several times in support of a tunnel. Why ignore all those statements and buckle under this one? FAIL.

    So, either McGinn has been outfoxed by Mayor and Council, in which case he’s not terribly realistic or strategically savvy, or McGinn is opportunistically trying to have it both ways with a wink to the tunnel opponents and an outstretched hand to its supporters with his true intentions still to be divined over time. Either way, he looks horrible. FAIL.

    Ergo, McGinn FAIL.

    I just don’t see an upside to any of this for him.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    Or May

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    Or May

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    Or May

  • http://joshuadf.blogspot.com/ joshuadf

    How many people have already mailed their ballots?

  • http://joshuadf.blogspot.com/ joshuadf

    How many people have already mailed their ballots?

  • Outlyer

    McGinn had no way to know that the lemmings on the City Council would rush to sign an agreement to build the tunnel before he got elected. Now that they have, a different approach is required. A mayor can’t just ignore a unanimous council vote; if he did, he would be a dictator, not a mayor.

    Public scrutiny is the best antidote to this jury-rigged political blunder. With McGinn, we’ll get that. With Mallahan … what was his position on the First Hill Streetcar again? I honestly can’t remember, he spun in the wind so many times.

    At least McGinn has taken a principled stand. Mallahan waits to see what team to cheer for. In an era in which we’ve seen enviros team with Eastside Republicans to spend billions on new highways, we need a leader who’ll play the catcher in the rye. That’s clearly McGinn, not Mallahan.

  • Outlyer

    McGinn had no way to know that the lemmings on the City Council would rush to sign an agreement to build the tunnel before he got elected. Now that they have, a different approach is required. A mayor can’t just ignore a unanimous council vote; if he did, he would be a dictator, not a mayor.

    Public scrutiny is the best antidote to this jury-rigged political blunder. With McGinn, we’ll get that. With Mallahan … what was his position on the First Hill Streetcar again? I honestly can’t remember, he spun in the wind so many times.

    At least McGinn has taken a principled stand. Mallahan waits to see what team to cheer for. In an era in which we’ve seen enviros team with Eastside Republicans to spend billions on new highways, we need a leader who’ll play the catcher in the rye. That’s clearly McGinn, not Mallahan.

  • http://joshuadf.blogspot.com joshuadf

    How many people have already mailed their ballots?

  • Outlyer

    McGinn had no way to know that the lemmings on the City Council would rush to sign an agreement to build the tunnel before he got elected. Now that they have, a different approach is required. A mayor can’t just ignore a unanimous council vote; if he did, he would be a dictator, not a mayor.

    Public scrutiny is the best antidote to this jury-rigged political blunder. With McGinn, we’ll get that. With Mallahan … what was his position on the First Hill Streetcar again? I honestly can’t remember, he spun in the wind so many times.

    At least McGinn has taken a principled stand. Mallahan waits to see what team to cheer for. In an era in which we’ve seen enviros team with Eastside Republicans to spend billions on new highways, we need a leader who’ll play the catcher in the rye. That’s clearly McGinn, not Mallahan.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @3 Brian K

    In September, McGinn still had a chance to capture organizational and financial support that has long since gone to Mallahan.

    The Mallahan campaign has made a significant TV buy and has plenty of tools at its disposal to “punish” McGinn for the position change if needed.

    I’m not Jason or anyone else on Mallahan’s staff. I am a Mallahan supporter.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @3 Brian K

    In September, McGinn still had a chance to capture organizational and financial support that has long since gone to Mallahan.

    The Mallahan campaign has made a significant TV buy and has plenty of tools at its disposal to “punish” McGinn for the position change if needed.

    I’m not Jason or anyone else on Mallahan’s staff. I am a Mallahan supporter.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @3 Brian K

    In September, McGinn still had a chance to capture organizational and financial support that has long since gone to Mallahan.

    The Mallahan campaign has made a significant TV buy and has plenty of tools at its disposal to “punish” McGinn for the position change if needed.

    I’m not Jason or anyone else on Mallahan’s staff. I am a Mallahan supporter.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @6 Mr. Baker

    I don’t think May works.

    Without the strong anti-tunnel position, McGinn would have lacked the strong wedge message necessary to clear the primary with a low budget campaign.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @6 Mr. Baker

    I don’t think May works.

    Without the strong anti-tunnel position, McGinn would have lacked the strong wedge message necessary to clear the primary with a low budget campaign.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @6 Mr. Baker

    I don’t think May works.

    Without the strong anti-tunnel position, McGinn would have lacked the strong wedge message necessary to clear the primary with a low budget campaign.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @7
    when did he know he would have to make this announcement?

    So, Publicola, after praise of McGinn and an open forum to keep spinning, are you going to give equal time to Mallahan, or are they satisfied with McGinn digging his own hole?

    Also, it looks like he is still going to find a way to kill the tunnel, and not lead on the decision. That predisposition will be costly.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @7
    when did he know he would have to make this announcement?

    So, Publicola, after praise of McGinn and an open forum to keep spinning, are you going to give equal time to Mallahan, or are they satisfied with McGinn digging his own hole?

    Also, it looks like he is still going to find a way to kill the tunnel, and not lead on the decision. That predisposition will be costly.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @7
    when did he know he would have to make this announcement?

    So, Publicola, after praise of McGinn and an open forum to keep spinning, are you going to give equal time to Mallahan, or are they satisfied with McGinn digging his own hole?

    Also, it looks like he is still going to find a way to kill the tunnel, and not lead on the decision. That predisposition will be costly.

  • http://www.calitics.com/ Robert Cruickshank

    This is actually a very good response from McGinn. Rather than sound wishy-washy he instead sounds sensible yet principled. He still opposes the tunnel and plans to fight to ensure Seattle isn’t screwed by Olympia in the process. But he also recognizes that he cannot legitimately promise to stop the tunnel, and so he is no longer doing so. It shows he understands what being mayor actually means, and that he’s not going to ride roughshod over the city’s democratic legislative processes.

    Why is it McGinn’s fault that “organizational and financial support that has long since gone to Mallahan” didn’t go his way? Why did those organizations and those with the financial resources make a hasty decision to back a guy who supports a tunnel but whose other policies are quite questionable? If the tunnel was a done deal anyway, why would construction unions back the guy who opposes streetcars over the guy who wants to create many more construction jobs with streetcars and a West Seattle-Ballard light rail line?

  • http://www.calitics.com/ Robert Cruickshank

    This is actually a very good response from McGinn. Rather than sound wishy-washy he instead sounds sensible yet principled. He still opposes the tunnel and plans to fight to ensure Seattle isn’t screwed by Olympia in the process. But he also recognizes that he cannot legitimately promise to stop the tunnel, and so he is no longer doing so. It shows he understands what being mayor actually means, and that he’s not going to ride roughshod over the city’s democratic legislative processes.

    Why is it McGinn’s fault that “organizational and financial support that has long since gone to Mallahan” didn’t go his way? Why did those organizations and those with the financial resources make a hasty decision to back a guy who supports a tunnel but whose other policies are quite questionable? If the tunnel was a done deal anyway, why would construction unions back the guy who opposes streetcars over the guy who wants to create many more construction jobs with streetcars and a West Seattle-Ballard light rail line?

  • http://www.calitics.com Robert Cruickshank

    This is actually a very good response from McGinn. Rather than sound wishy-washy he instead sounds sensible yet principled. He still opposes the tunnel and plans to fight to ensure Seattle isn’t screwed by Olympia in the process. But he also recognizes that he cannot legitimately promise to stop the tunnel, and so he is no longer doing so. It shows he understands what being mayor actually means, and that he’s not going to ride roughshod over the city’s democratic legislative processes.

    Why is it McGinn’s fault that “organizational and financial support that has long since gone to Mallahan” didn’t go his way? Why did those organizations and those with the financial resources make a hasty decision to back a guy who supports a tunnel but whose other policies are quite questionable? If the tunnel was a done deal anyway, why would construction unions back the guy who opposes streetcars over the guy who wants to create many more construction jobs with streetcars and a West Seattle-Ballard light rail line?

  • http://www.lightandair.wordpress.com/ David Schraer

    McGinn can’t speak without distorting:

    “Mayor Nickels opposed the parks levy, but he’s building parks now.”

    Mayor Nickles did not and does not oppose parks! The implication is slanderous. Nickles objected to the timing of the levy. There is nothing to compare in the two situations. Twisting the meaning of words and events seems to be what Mike learned as a lawyer for big corporations.

  • http://www.lightandair.wordpress.com/ David Schraer

    McGinn can’t speak without distorting:

    “Mayor Nickels opposed the parks levy, but he’s building parks now.”

    Mayor Nickles did not and does not oppose parks! The implication is slanderous. Nickles objected to the timing of the levy. There is nothing to compare in the two situations. Twisting the meaning of words and events seems to be what Mike learned as a lawyer for big corporations.

  • http://www.lightandair.wordpress.com David Schraer

    McGinn can’t speak without distorting:

    “Mayor Nickels opposed the parks levy, but he’s building parks now.”

    Mayor Nickles did not and does not oppose parks! The implication is slanderous. Nickles objected to the timing of the levy. There is nothing to compare in the two situations. Twisting the meaning of words and events seems to be what Mike learned as a lawyer for big corporations.

  • sarah68

    There are many people who will be trying to kill the tunnel. McGinn is not and never has been the sole tunnel opponent.

    I don’t think he could have made this statement until the Council did what they did. What they did was an official position. It wasn’t before.

    Mouth Agape, you’re not realizing–or recognizing–that some people have liked McGinn for what he is, not his tunnel position. I don’t care a whit about the tunnel; the Legislature will decide on the tunnel because–guess what–it’s a state highway! And I don’t care how much money Mallahan raises; I still don’t like him. Him, not his tunnel position. I don’t like him. Therefore I didn’t vote for him.

    We vote for people. Hopefully, we’ll have looked at the whole person before we vote, not just one position on one issue. If this drives people to Mallahan, then they weren’t really looking at either candidate.

  • sarah68

    There are many people who will be trying to kill the tunnel. McGinn is not and never has been the sole tunnel opponent.

    I don’t think he could have made this statement until the Council did what they did. What they did was an official position. It wasn’t before.

    Mouth Agape, you’re not realizing–or recognizing–that some people have liked McGinn for what he is, not his tunnel position. I don’t care a whit about the tunnel; the Legislature will decide on the tunnel because–guess what–it’s a state highway! And I don’t care how much money Mallahan raises; I still don’t like him. Him, not his tunnel position. I don’t like him. Therefore I didn’t vote for him.

    We vote for people. Hopefully, we’ll have looked at the whole person before we vote, not just one position on one issue. If this drives people to Mallahan, then they weren’t really looking at either candidate.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @8
    Crosscutt January 16
    How Jan Drago dragooned a Viaduct solution
    http://crosscut.com/2009/01/16/seattle-city-hall/18780/

    May 5, 2009
    Transportation Sub-committee
    Chair: Jan Drago
    item#6 CB 116514
    Authorizing 3 memorandum for the AWV
    http://tinyurl.com/yks7van

    He was either out of touch, or ignorant. Jan Drago has been “rushing” this for 10 months.

    Yesterday was a chance to water down the topic. His comments still do not say he will provide any kind of leadership on the project.
    He is attempting to straddle a fence.
    Good luck with that.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @8
    Crosscutt January 16
    How Jan Drago dragooned a Viaduct solution
    http://crosscut.com/2009/01/16/seattle-city-hall/18780/

    May 5, 2009
    Transportation Sub-committee
    Chair: Jan Drago
    item#6 CB 116514
    Authorizing 3 memorandum for the AWV
    http://tinyurl.com/yks7van

    He was either out of touch, or ignorant. Jan Drago has been “rushing” this for 10 months.

    Yesterday was a chance to water down the topic. His comments still do not say he will provide any kind of leadership on the project.
    He is attempting to straddle a fence.
    Good luck with that.

  • sarah68

    There are many people who will be trying to kill the tunnel. McGinn is not and never has been the sole tunnel opponent.

    I don’t think he could have made this statement until the Council did what they did. What they did was an official position. It wasn’t before.

    Mouth Agape, you’re not realizing–or recognizing–that some people have liked McGinn for what he is, not his tunnel position. I don’t care a whit about the tunnel; the Legislature will decide on the tunnel because–guess what–it’s a state highway! And I don’t care how much money Mallahan raises; I still don’t like him. Him, not his tunnel position. I don’t like him. Therefore I didn’t vote for him.

    We vote for people. Hopefully, we’ll have looked at the whole person before we vote, not just one position on one issue. If this drives people to Mallahan, then they weren’t really looking at either candidate.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @8
    Crosscutt January 16
    How Jan Drago dragooned a Viaduct solution
    http://crosscut.com/2009/01/16/seattle-city-hall/18780/

    May 5, 2009
    Transportation Sub-committee
    Chair: Jan Drago
    item#6 CB 116514
    Authorizing 3 memorandum for the AWV
    http://tinyurl.com/yks7van

    He was either out of touch, or ignorant. Jan Drago has been “rushing” this for 10 months.

    Yesterday was a chance to water down the topic. His comments still do not say he will provide any kind of leadership on the project.
    He is attempting to straddle a fence.
    Good luck with that.

  • Jane

    Mike screwed up the parks levy and they had to bring him someone to replace him – otherwise, it would not have passed.

    Maybe his campaign needs to replace Mike now – oh wait, they did! We have the “new Mike” who supports the tunnel.

    No matter how he tries to spin it, Mike is still lying Mike…

  • Jane

    Mike screwed up the parks levy and they had to bring him someone to replace him – otherwise, it would not have passed.

    Maybe his campaign needs to replace Mike now – oh wait, they did! We have the “new Mike” who supports the tunnel.

    No matter how he tries to spin it, Mike is still lying Mike…

  • Jane

    Mike screwed up the parks levy and they had to bring him someone to replace him – otherwise, it would not have passed.

    Maybe his campaign needs to replace Mike now – oh wait, they did! We have the “new Mike” who supports the tunnel.

    No matter how he tries to spin it, Mike is still lying Mike…

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @12 Robert Cruickshank

    What your statement in @12 and McGinn’s statement above both have in common is both are relatively complex arguments. Either would be very tough to communicate to voters in a convincing manner even if McGinn had adequate resources (time and money) to do so.

    I believe that McGinn’s been operating under the false premise that what worked in the primary election would work in the general election.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @12 Robert Cruickshank

    What your statement in @12 and McGinn’s statement above both have in common is both are relatively complex arguments. Either would be very tough to communicate to voters in a convincing manner even if McGinn had adequate resources (time and money) to do so.

    I believe that McGinn’s been operating under the false premise that what worked in the primary election would work in the general election.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @12 Robert Cruickshank

    What your statement in @12 and McGinn’s statement above both have in common is both are relatively complex arguments. Either would be very tough to communicate to voters in a convincing manner even if McGinn had adequate resources (time and money) to do so.

    I believe that McGinn’s been operating under the false premise that what worked in the primary election would work in the general election.

  • Outlyer

    @13
    McGinn’s statements sound like distortions to those so hypnotized by Seattle’s limp-wristed politics that they don’t understand the difference between accepting political reality and changing political reality. Nickels did oppose the parks levy and he did it because his big business supporters clucked and said “this isn’t good for us.” McGinn chose instead to say we need these parks and rallied the voters. This is not a trivial difference in “tactics.” It’s what makes the difference between someone who can change a city for the city and one who just squats in it, fat and happy, while big problems go unaddressed.

  • Outlyer

    @13
    McGinn’s statements sound like distortions to those so hypnotized by Seattle’s limp-wristed politics that they don’t understand the difference between accepting political reality and changing political reality. Nickels did oppose the parks levy and he did it because his big business supporters clucked and said “this isn’t good for us.” McGinn chose instead to say we need these parks and rallied the voters. This is not a trivial difference in “tactics.” It’s what makes the difference between someone who can change a city for the city and one who just squats in it, fat and happy, while big problems go unaddressed.

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Hey Jane, I thought it was that the Parks Foundation folks wanted to get some big $$ for the Seattle Art Museum out of the levy so they added Karen Daubert to the mix. Are you doing revisionist history again?

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Hey Jane, I thought it was that the Parks Foundation folks wanted to get some big $$ for the Seattle Art Museum out of the levy so they added Karen Daubert to the mix. Are you doing revisionist history again?

  • Outlyer

    @13
    McGinn’s statements sound like distortions to those so hypnotized by Seattle’s limp-wristed politics that they don’t understand the difference between accepting political reality and changing political reality. Nickels did oppose the parks levy and he did it because his big business supporters clucked and said “this isn’t good for us.” McGinn chose instead to say we need these parks and rallied the voters. This is not a trivial difference in “tactics.” It’s what makes the difference between someone who can change a city for the city and one who just squats in it, fat and happy, while big problems go unaddressed.

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Hey Jane, I thought it was that the Parks Foundation folks wanted to get some big $$ for the Seattle Art Museum out of the levy so they added Karen Daubert to the mix. Are you doing revisionist history again?

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    Has anyone noticed that this race is all about McGinn.

    He’s the storyline.

    Not a good sign for Mallahan.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    Has anyone noticed that this race is all about McGinn.

    He’s the storyline.

    Not a good sign for Mallahan.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    Has anyone noticed that this race is all about McGinn.

    He’s the storyline.

    Not a good sign for Mallahan.

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    PS – I love how Mallahan was on the verge of talking about this in the Sunday night KIRO debate and had to stop himself from naming Daubert and going into the real background (lining the pockets of SAM) on that!

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    PS – I love how Mallahan was on the verge of talking about this in the Sunday night KIRO debate and had to stop himself from naming Daubert and going into the real background (lining the pockets of SAM) on that!

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    PS – I love how Mallahan was on the verge of talking about this in the Sunday night KIRO debate and had to stop himself from naming Daubert and going into the real background (lining the pockets of SAM) on that!

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @20 Josh

    Media coverage, especially alternative media coverage, is just one small part of what’s happening in this race right now.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @20 Josh

    Media coverage, especially alternative media coverage, is just one small part of what’s happening in this race right now.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @20 Josh

    Are you ready to make an election result prediction? I am.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @20 Josh

    Are you ready to make an election result prediction? I am.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @20 Josh

    Are you ready to make an election result prediction? I am.

  • Auto-oriented

    HOORAY SR 99 will have lights and cross streets on it for 50 miles

    but the essential two miles downtown can’t have that and we will now spend bazillions so that we can save 6-11 mintues per trip!

    I will enjoy driving from the Junction to Richmond Beach Park to walk my dog twice a week. Just one of the essential trips every day on the SR 99 route.

    And I couldn’t live if that trip took 39 minutes instead of 28 minutes!

    Thank you taxpayers! Autos rule!

  • Auto-oriented

    HOORAY SR 99 will have lights and cross streets on it for 50 miles

    but the essential two miles downtown can’t have that and we will now spend bazillions so that we can save 6-11 mintues per trip!

    I will enjoy driving from the Junction to Richmond Beach Park to walk my dog twice a week. Just one of the essential trips every day on the SR 99 route.

    And I couldn’t live if that trip took 39 minutes instead of 28 minutes!

    Thank you taxpayers! Autos rule!

  • Auto-oriented

    HOORAY SR 99 will have lights and cross streets on it for 50 miles

    but the essential two miles downtown can’t have that and we will now spend bazillions so that we can save 6-11 mintues per trip!

    I will enjoy driving from the Junction to Richmond Beach Park to walk my dog twice a week. Just one of the essential trips every day on the SR 99 route.

    And I couldn’t live if that trip took 39 minutes instead of 28 minutes!

    Thank you taxpayers! Autos rule!

  • Outlyer

    @15

    One council member preparing legislation months ago does not lead inevitably to a council vote less than a month before the mayoral election. The vote was clearly a political move.

    McGinn’s comments say exactly how he will lead — by relentlessly questioning the project’s viability, which as anyone who’s followed it knows, is a total house of cards. And what leadership are we offered from the other side? Mallahan doesn’t even know there’s a fence to straddle.

  • Outlyer

    @15

    One council member preparing legislation months ago does not lead inevitably to a council vote less than a month before the mayoral election. The vote was clearly a political move.

    McGinn’s comments say exactly how he will lead — by relentlessly questioning the project’s viability, which as anyone who’s followed it knows, is a total house of cards. And what leadership are we offered from the other side? Mallahan doesn’t even know there’s a fence to straddle.

  • Outlyer

    @15

    One council member preparing legislation months ago does not lead inevitably to a council vote less than a month before the mayoral election. The vote was clearly a political move.

    McGinn’s comments say exactly how he will lead — by relentlessly questioning the project’s viability, which as anyone who’s followed it knows, is a total house of cards. And what leadership are we offered from the other side? Mallahan doesn’t even know there’s a fence to straddle.

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Jason @ 23 – Gee, wonder what you are hoping for. Dreaming is not reality, honey.

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Jason @ 23 – Gee, wonder what you are hoping for. Dreaming is not reality, honey.

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Jason @ 23 – Gee, wonder what you are hoping for. Dreaming is not reality, honey.

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Jason @ 22 – Then why are you spending all your time here?

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Jason @ 22 – Then why are you spending all your time here?

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Jason @ 22 – Then why are you spending all your time here?

  • Calling BS on this one.

    Well at least now we know what McGinn’s marching band of snarky bloggers will be doing with their time post-Election — turning the online comments war to opposing the tunnel since he will no longer lead that charge. I wonder if they’ll continue the bitter mutterings about how they’re unpaid?

    True believers, indeed.

  • Calling BS on this one.

    Well at least now we know what McGinn’s marching band of snarky bloggers will be doing with their time post-Election — turning the online comments war to opposing the tunnel since he will no longer lead that charge. I wonder if they’ll continue the bitter mutterings about how they’re unpaid?

    True believers, indeed.

  • Calling BS on this one.

    Well at least now we know what McGinn’s marching band of snarky bloggers will be doing with their time post-Election — turning the online comments war to opposing the tunnel since he will no longer lead that charge. I wonder if they’ll continue the bitter mutterings about how they’re unpaid?

    True believers, indeed.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @26 Stop All of Your Sobbing

    I’m not Jason. Josh can verify.

    Unless McGinn cut a deal for a massive independent expenditure in exchange for his position change, McGinn is headed for a loss on November 3rd.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @26 Stop All of Your Sobbing

    I’m not Jason. Josh can verify.

    Unless McGinn cut a deal for a massive independent expenditure in exchange for his position change, McGinn is headed for a loss on November 3rd.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @26 Stop All of Your Sobbing

    I’m not Jason. Josh can verify.

    Unless McGinn cut a deal for a massive independent expenditure in exchange for his position change, McGinn is headed for a loss on November 3rd.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @20,
    that may be true at Publicola.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @20,
    that may be true at Publicola.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @27 Stop All of Your Sobbing

    I’m an inside baseball, political junkie just like everyone else that reads PubliCola. This is good place to get my fix.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @27 Stop All of Your Sobbing

    I’m an inside baseball, political junkie just like everyone else that reads PubliCola. This is good place to get my fix.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @20,
    that may be true at Publicola.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @27 Stop All of Your Sobbing

    I’m an inside baseball, political junkie just like everyone else that reads PubliCola. This is good place to get my fix.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @27 Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Also a good place to demonstrate my poor typing skills. @31 Should read:

    I’m an inside baseball, political junkie just like everyone else that reads PubliCola. This is a good place to get my fix.

    I might add:

    We represent a very small minority of November 3rd voters.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @27 Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Also a good place to demonstrate my poor typing skills. @31 Should read:

    I’m an inside baseball, political junkie just like everyone else that reads PubliCola. This is a good place to get my fix.

    I might add:

    We represent a very small minority of November 3rd voters.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @27 Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Also a good place to demonstrate my poor typing skills. @31 Should read:

    I’m an inside baseball, political junkie just like everyone else that reads PubliCola. This is a good place to get my fix.

    I might add:

    We represent a very small minority of November 3rd voters.

  • Transpo guy

    All you Mallahan supporters are missing the contrast between the two that remains on this issue. Mallahan is willing to let Seattle taxpayers take it up the ass from Olympia on this project while McGinn will work to protect us on cost overruns, transit funding and design issues.

  • Transpo guy

    All you Mallahan supporters are missing the contrast between the two that remains on this issue. Mallahan is willing to let Seattle taxpayers take it up the ass from Olympia on this project while McGinn will work to protect us on cost overruns, transit funding and design issues.

  • Transpo guy

    All you Mallahan supporters are missing the contrast between the two that remains on this issue. Mallahan is willing to let Seattle taxpayers take it up the ass from Olympia on this project while McGinn will work to protect us on cost overruns, transit funding and design issues.

  • Westie

    McGinn did a (real) poll at the end of last week, and it showed that he might have a chance if he changed his position on the viaduct. I was one of the people who got polled, and it was a well calibrated questionaire designed to allow a candidate to make last minute adjustments to different transportation policies in order to capture undecided voters.

    Josh, you might want to check that out and see if you can get the results from the McGinn folks, although I doubt they will give out the details.

  • Westie

    McGinn did a (real) poll at the end of last week, and it showed that he might have a chance if he changed his position on the viaduct. I was one of the people who got polled, and it was a well calibrated questionaire designed to allow a candidate to make last minute adjustments to different transportation policies in order to capture undecided voters.

    Josh, you might want to check that out and see if you can get the results from the McGinn folks, although I doubt they will give out the details.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @22,

    It’s not just the alternative media. In all the TV debates, the moderators bring up McGinn.

    (In fact, I think it was Constantine who forced Joe’s name into the discussion, saying awkwardly, “I like Mike, I think he’s a good guy, … and … Joe too…”)

    I’m not sure how this new tunnel play will go for McGinn, but it has the media chasing the McGinn storyline again.

    He’s been framing this thing all along. That’s not good for Mallahan.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @22,

    It’s not just the alternative media. In all the TV debates, the moderators bring up McGinn.

    (In fact, I think it was Constantine who forced Joe’s name into the discussion, saying awkwardly, “I like Mike, I think he’s a good guy, … and … Joe too…”)

    I’m not sure how this new tunnel play will go for McGinn, but it has the media chasing the McGinn storyline again.

    He’s been framing this thing all along. That’s not good for Mallahan.

  • Westie

    McGinn did a (real) poll at the end of last week, and it showed that he might have a chance if he changed his position on the viaduct. I was one of the people who got polled, and it was a well calibrated questionaire designed to allow a candidate to make last minute adjustments to different transportation policies in order to capture undecided voters.

    Josh, you might want to check that out and see if you can get the results from the McGinn folks, although I doubt they will give out the details.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @22,

    It’s not just the alternative media. In all the TV debates, the moderators bring up McGinn.

    (In fact, I think it was Constantine who forced Joe’s name into the discussion, saying awkwardly, “I like Mike, I think he’s a good guy, … and … Joe too…”)

    I’m not sure how this new tunnel play will go for McGinn, but it has the media chasing the McGinn storyline again.

    He’s been framing this thing all along. That’s not good for Mallahan.

  • Mouth Agape

    @33 Transpo Guy — So Mallahan has been saying for months that he wants to get the tunnel project done on time and on budget.

    And now, suddenly, McGinn is saying something like that, too.

    And all of the sudden, we’re supposed to believe that McGinn will be better at it? I don’t understand where your faith comes from.

  • Mouth Agape

    @33 Transpo Guy — So Mallahan has been saying for months that he wants to get the tunnel project done on time and on budget.

    And now, suddenly, McGinn is saying something like that, too.

    And all of the sudden, we’re supposed to believe that McGinn will be better at it? I don’t understand where your faith comes from.

  • Mouth Agape

    @33 Transpo Guy — So Mallahan has been saying for months that he wants to get the tunnel project done on time and on budget.

    And now, suddenly, McGinn is saying something like that, too.

    And all of the sudden, we’re supposed to believe that McGinn will be better at it? I don’t understand where your faith comes from.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @35 Josh

    I see your point but (trying to muster all the objectivity that I can about the current situation), I don’t see it helping McGinn.

    Sure he’s getting lots of media attention but I predict a large proportion of undecided voters will have a negative emotional reaction to the position change. Barring some big IE, McGinn lacks the resources to tell the story to his advantage.

    Team Mallahan on the other hand has a slew of 30 second opportunities to frame this change however they choose.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @35 Josh

    I see your point but (trying to muster all the objectivity that I can about the current situation), I don’t see it helping McGinn.

    Sure he’s getting lots of media attention but I predict a large proportion of undecided voters will have a negative emotional reaction to the position change. Barring some big IE, McGinn lacks the resources to tell the story to his advantage.

    Team Mallahan on the other hand has a slew of 30 second opportunities to frame this change however they choose.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @35 Josh

    I see your point but (trying to muster all the objectivity that I can about the current situation), I don’t see it helping McGinn.

    Sure he’s getting lots of media attention but I predict a large proportion of undecided voters will have a negative emotional reaction to the position change. Barring some big IE, McGinn lacks the resources to tell the story to his advantage.

    Team Mallahan on the other hand has a slew of 30 second opportunities to frame this change however they choose.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @35
    Publicola and the Strangler both endorsed McGinn, twice.
    He has been the underdog coming in third behind undecided. I expect the novelty to wear off and the “what would a Mallahan administration look like” stories to start.

    You have drawn his followers, careful to not throw too much dirt on him, too fast, as the political ploy fades.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @35
    Publicola and the Strangler both endorsed McGinn, twice.
    He has been the underdog coming in third behind undecided. I expect the novelty to wear off and the “what would a Mallahan administration look like” stories to start.

    You have drawn his followers, careful to not throw too much dirt on him, too fast, as the political ploy fades.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @37,

    I agree w you on $$ for TV spin. (I pointed that out in Fizz this morning.)

    It’d be 1 thing if McGinn simply had to frame this himself, but he’s given Mallahan an opportunity to fill those ad buys with some hard hitting attack ads.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @37,

    I agree w you on $$ for TV spin. (I pointed that out in Fizz this morning.)

    It’d be 1 thing if McGinn simply had to frame this himself, but he’s given Mallahan an opportunity to fill those ad buys with some hard hitting attack ads.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @35
    Publicola and the Strangler both endorsed McGinn, twice.
    He has been the underdog coming in third behind undecided. I expect the novelty to wear off and the “what would a Mallahan administration look like” stories to start.

    You have drawn his followers, careful to not throw too much dirt on him, too fast, as the political ploy fades.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @37,

    I agree w you on $$ for TV spin. (I pointed that out in Fizz this morning.)

    It’d be 1 thing if McGinn simply had to frame this himself, but he’s given Mallahan an opportunity to fill those ad buys with some hard hitting attack ads.

  • Brian K

    @36 Mallahan went about it wrong. The mayor will have very little control over the implementation of the tunnel other than funding. Where will it come from? McGinn is the one who has been giving pushback.

  • Brian K

    @36 Mallahan went about it wrong. The mayor will have very little control over the implementation of the tunnel other than funding. Where will it come from? McGinn is the one who has been giving pushback.

  • Brian K

    @36 Mallahan went about it wrong. The mayor will have very little control over the implementation of the tunnel other than funding. Where will it come from? McGinn is the one who has been giving pushback.

  • Tom

    @20

    Has anyone noticed that this race is all about Palin.

    She’s the storyline.

    Not a good sign for Obama.

  • Tom

    @20

    Has anyone noticed that this race is all about Palin.

    She’s the storyline.

    Not a good sign for Obama.

  • Tom

    @20

    Has anyone noticed that this race is all about Palin.

    She’s the storyline.

    Not a good sign for Obama.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @39 Josh

    I’ll go back to my previous premise. The die was cast in early September when McGinn started to pursue an amplified version of his primary win strategy.

    He needed to pivot early after the primary – not just on AWV position but on his belief that he could win the general using a low budget campaign strategy.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @39 Josh

    I’ll go back to my previous premise. The die was cast in early September when McGinn started to pursue an amplified version of his primary win strategy.

    He needed to pivot early after the primary – not just on AWV position but on his belief that he could win the general using a low budget campaign strategy.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @39 Josh

    I’ll go back to my previous premise. The die was cast in early September when McGinn started to pursue an amplified version of his primary win strategy.

    He needed to pivot early after the primary – not just on AWV position but on his belief that he could win the general using a low budget campaign strategy.

  • Susanneston

    StacyX3,
    Try and spin it if you like, but this isn’t a policy change for McGinn. It is just as he says a unanimous vote at the city council to sign an agreement to build the tunnel has happened.

    Mayors cannot ignore a unanimous vote of the council. If McGinn is mayor, he cannot and will not ignore the council’s unanimous decision. End of story.

    The real question is about the timing of this unanimous decision. Why the rush to reach an agreement? The financing is not figured out and the estimates are based on less than 2% of the engineering so are very likely to be wrong. This vote changes my decision on which council members I’ll be voting for.

  • Susanneston

    StacyX3,
    Try and spin it if you like, but this isn’t a policy change for McGinn. It is just as he says a unanimous vote at the city council to sign an agreement to build the tunnel has happened.

    Mayors cannot ignore a unanimous vote of the council. If McGinn is mayor, he cannot and will not ignore the council’s unanimous decision. End of story.

    The real question is about the timing of this unanimous decision. Why the rush to reach an agreement? The financing is not figured out and the estimates are based on less than 2% of the engineering so are very likely to be wrong. This vote changes my decision on which council members I’ll be voting for.

  • Susanneston

    StacyX3,
    Try and spin it if you like, but this isn’t a policy change for McGinn. It is just as he says a unanimous vote at the city council to sign an agreement to build the tunnel has happened.

    Mayors cannot ignore a unanimous vote of the council. If McGinn is mayor, he cannot and will not ignore the council’s unanimous decision. End of story.

    The real question is about the timing of this unanimous decision. Why the rush to reach an agreement? The financing is not figured out and the estimates are based on less than 2% of the engineering so are very likely to be wrong. This vote changes my decision on which council members I’ll be voting for.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @42
    he tried, the blizzard of policy positions, and the snarky comments about how Mallahan is agreeing with McGinn’s positions (both against clubbing baby seals, and for clean air) were an attempt at that IMO. Where that failed was recognizing that the council would act, and he shoulda, woulda, mitigated this political risk by stating the obvious, that if the council acts that he would fulfill his duties as mayor.
    But, how could he essentially take Mallahan’s position back then while at the same time chastising Mallahan for holding similar positions?
    He could not go negatve against his opponent while at the same time pivoting/shifting on the #1 issue that got him through the primary.

    Josh does have a point about McGinn gettingmore media coverage, too bad it has been about him losing his top issue. His supporters can say there are other issues, but it is too late in the season to be reintroducing yourself beyond the tunnel.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @42
    he tried, the blizzard of policy positions, and the snarky comments about how Mallahan is agreeing with McGinn’s positions (both against clubbing baby seals, and for clean air) were an attempt at that IMO. Where that failed was recognizing that the council would act, and he shoulda, woulda, mitigated this political risk by stating the obvious, that if the council acts that he would fulfill his duties as mayor.
    But, how could he essentially take Mallahan’s position back then while at the same time chastising Mallahan for holding similar positions?
    He could not go negatve against his opponent while at the same time pivoting/shifting on the #1 issue that got him through the primary.

    Josh does have a point about McGinn gettingmore media coverage, too bad it has been about him losing his top issue. His supporters can say there are other issues, but it is too late in the season to be reintroducing yourself beyond the tunnel.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @42
    he tried, the blizzard of policy positions, and the snarky comments about how Mallahan is agreeing with McGinn’s positions (both against clubbing baby seals, and for clean air) were an attempt at that IMO. Where that failed was recognizing that the council would act, and he shoulda, woulda, mitigated this political risk by stating the obvious, that if the council acts that he would fulfill his duties as mayor.
    But, how could he essentially take Mallahan’s position back then while at the same time chastising Mallahan for holding similar positions?
    He could not go negatve against his opponent while at the same time pivoting/shifting on the #1 issue that got him through the primary.

    Josh does have a point about McGinn gettingmore media coverage, too bad it has been about him losing his top issue. His supporters can say there are other issues, but it is too late in the season to be reintroducing yourself beyond the tunnel.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @43 Susanneston

    Nice job moving the discussion back to the McGinnian (“McGinnsters?”, “ditto heads?”) talking points with little jab at me for my ‘spin.’

    I was addressing campaign strategy, timing, and it’s effect on the outcome of the race – not the merits or nuances of McGinn’s (trying to be generous so I’ll call it) “position adjustment.”

    Thanks for playing.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @43 Susanneston

    Nice job moving the discussion back to the McGinnian (“McGinnsters?”, “ditto heads?”) talking points with little jab at me for my ‘spin.’

    I was addressing campaign strategy, timing, and it’s effect on the outcome of the race – not the merits or nuances of McGinn’s (trying to be generous so I’ll call it) “position adjustment.”

    Thanks for playing.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @43 Susanneston

    Nice job moving the discussion back to the McGinnian (“McGinnsters?”, “ditto heads?”) talking points with little jab at me for my ‘spin.’

    I was addressing campaign strategy, timing, and it’s effect on the outcome of the race – not the merits or nuances of McGinn’s (trying to be generous so I’ll call it) “position adjustment.”

    Thanks for playing.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @43
    I think you are right, this is not a policy change. He is still against the tunnel. He will not be a good stuard of that decision, though.
    This is a change in narrative, which could soften some undecided voter’s opposition to him. It could also backfire because he is not changing his position, just his narrative, and that nay make him look like a weasel.

    Is he for it, or against it?
    Against.
    Why did he change his narrative now?
    Because the council that had scheduled this vote, voted, making the debate the night before moot.

    Now he wants to say he is both against the tunnel and a good steward of the projects.
    That self-conflicting position is self-limiting.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @43
    I think you are right, this is not a policy change. He is still against the tunnel. He will not be a good stuard of that decision, though.
    This is a change in narrative, which could soften some undecided voter’s opposition to him. It could also backfire because he is not changing his position, just his narrative, and that nay make him look like a weasel.

    Is he for it, or against it?
    Against.
    Why did he change his narrative now?
    Because the council that had scheduled this vote, voted, making the debate the night before moot.

    Now he wants to say he is both against the tunnel and a good steward of the projects.
    That self-conflicting position is self-limiting.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @43
    I think you are right, this is not a policy change. He is still against the tunnel. He will not be a good stuard of that decision, though.
    This is a change in narrative, which could soften some undecided voter’s opposition to him. It could also backfire because he is not changing his position, just his narrative, and that nay make him look like a weasel.

    Is he for it, or against it?
    Against.
    Why did he change his narrative now?
    Because the council that had scheduled this vote, voted, making the debate the night before moot.

    Now he wants to say he is both against the tunnel and a good steward of the projects.
    That self-conflicting position is self-limiting.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    Ack, steward.

    How’s the dayquil treating me now.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    Ack, steward.

    How’s the dayquil treating me now.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    Ack, steward.

    How’s the dayquil treating me now.

  • punglio

    Yesterday and today’s reporting on this is all spin.

    McGinn DID say before that IF all was lined up (which it isn’t quite yet, but it mostly is as far as the city’s agreement), THEN he would put up with it. I heard it a month ago at town halls.

    McGinn never said he would litigate the issue to hell and back. Never said he’d lie down in front of the tunneling machine.

    His principle was that the tunnel is not in the best interest of Seattle.

    Call it a fucking flipflop if you like – but if your thinking is so 2004 fox news-ish, then recognize that Mallahan is a lot like W: corporate experience (what management?), lots of money and establishment support, no ideas or beliefs beyond campaign platitudes.

    At least George W. Mallahan isn’t citing Jesus as his role model – but “driving efficiencies” is his Bible.

  • punglio

    Yesterday and today’s reporting on this is all spin.

    McGinn DID say before that IF all was lined up (which it isn’t quite yet, but it mostly is as far as the city’s agreement), THEN he would put up with it. I heard it a month ago at town halls.

    McGinn never said he would litigate the issue to hell and back. Never said he’d lie down in front of the tunneling machine.

    His principle was that the tunnel is not in the best interest of Seattle.

    Call it a fucking flipflop if you like – but if your thinking is so 2004 fox news-ish, then recognize that Mallahan is a lot like W: corporate experience (what management?), lots of money and establishment support, no ideas or beliefs beyond campaign platitudes.

    At least George W. Mallahan isn’t citing Jesus as his role model – but “driving efficiencies” is his Bible.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @48 punglio

    I hated George W. Bush but the motherfucker did win two elections.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @48 punglio

    I hated George W. Bush but the motherfucker did win two elections.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @49

    Presidential elections to be more precise.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @49

    Presidential elections to be more precise.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @49

    Presidential elections to be more precise.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @44 Mr Baker

    I’d love to discuss this with you after November 3rd. I think McGinn’s “September lost opportunity for victory” isn’t really about issues.

    It’s about letting your campaign tactics get tangled up in your personal myths about political campaigns. The myth

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @44 Mr Baker

    I’d love to discuss this with you after November 3rd. I think McGinn’s “September lost opportunity for victory” isn’t really about issues.

    It’s about letting your campaign tactics get tangled up in your personal myths about political campaigns. The myth

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @44 Mr Baker

    I’d love to discuss this with you after November 3rd. I think McGinn’s “September lost opportunity for victory” isn’t really about issues.

    It’s about letting your campaign tactics get tangled up in your personal myths about political campaigns. The myth

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @51

    … starts with “our grassroots campaign defeated 2007 Roads and Transit and won the 2008 Parks Levy.”

    Both of those campaigns had the necessary financial support.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @51

    … starts with “our grassroots campaign defeated 2007 Roads and Transit and won the 2008 Parks Levy.”

    Both of those campaigns had the necessary financial support.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @51

    … starts with “our grassroots campaign defeated 2007 Roads and Transit and won the 2008 Parks Levy.”

    Both of those campaigns had the necessary financial support.

  • Stacy

    I never thought that it would be Stacy x3 who equated Mallahan with GW, even though that’s the common theme on the street these days. Key point in all of this: when McGinn shifts his positions its because of a changing reality on the ground (a 9-0 Council vote); when Mallahan shifts his positions (an almost daily occurrence, see the Burke, incentive zoning, 1st hill street car and Mercer for examples) its because he either wants an endorsement or money from someone, or he never knew WTF he was talking about in the first place.

  • Stacy

    I never thought that it would be Stacy x3 who equated Mallahan with GW, even though that’s the common theme on the street these days. Key point in all of this: when McGinn shifts his positions its because of a changing reality on the ground (a 9-0 Council vote); when Mallahan shifts his positions (an almost daily occurrence, see the Burke, incentive zoning, 1st hill street car and Mercer for examples) its because he either wants an endorsement or money from someone, or he never knew WTF he was talking about in the first place.

  • Stacy

    I never thought that it would be Stacy x3 who equated Mallahan with GW, even though that’s the common theme on the street these days. Key point in all of this: when McGinn shifts his positions its because of a changing reality on the ground (a 9-0 Council vote); when Mallahan shifts his positions (an almost daily occurrence, see the Burke, incentive zoning, 1st hill street car and Mercer for examples) its because he either wants an endorsement or money from someone, or he never knew WTF he was talking about in the first place.

  • Transpo guy

    Mouth Agape @36:

    When asked about cost overruns Mallahan always responds that the most important is that we build the tunnel.

    A mayor will have little control over whether WSDOT gets the project done on time and under budget. But, the mayor will have influence over how the costs get shared -or dumped- on Seattle taxpayers. He can also do a lot to get the transit revenue promised to the King County under the viaduct agreement, not to mention the funding needed for waterfront park construction and maintenance. These are afterthoughts for Mallahan. All he and his supporters care about is the roadway. That’s the difference that remains between McGinn and Mallahan

  • Transpo guy

    Mouth Agape @36:

    When asked about cost overruns Mallahan always responds that the most important is that we build the tunnel.

    A mayor will have little control over whether WSDOT gets the project done on time and under budget. But, the mayor will have influence over how the costs get shared -or dumped- on Seattle taxpayers. He can also do a lot to get the transit revenue promised to the King County under the viaduct agreement, not to mention the funding needed for waterfront park construction and maintenance. These are afterthoughts for Mallahan. All he and his supporters care about is the roadway. That’s the difference that remains between McGinn and Mallahan

  • Transpo guy

    Mouth Agape @36:

    When asked about cost overruns Mallahan always responds that the most important is that we build the tunnel.

    A mayor will have little control over whether WSDOT gets the project done on time and under budget. But, the mayor will have influence over how the costs get shared -or dumped- on Seattle taxpayers. He can also do a lot to get the transit revenue promised to the King County under the viaduct agreement, not to mention the funding needed for waterfront park construction and maintenance. These are afterthoughts for Mallahan. All he and his supporters care about is the roadway. That’s the difference that remains between McGinn and Mallahan

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @53 Stacy

    And another McGinnster takes a jab at me and then moves back to the standard talking points.

    Lovely. Who’s next?

    Stacy,

    It wasn’t me that made the equation – it was punglio in @48. I was just pointing out (without fully buying into that equation) that as deservedly detested GW was – he still won.

    I believe that was because we as Democrats failed to comprehend the emotional connection GW’s narrative had with swing voters and failed to adequately counter that narrative.

    You can make all the derisive comments you want about Mallahan to your circle of like-minded friends but Mallahan is still gonna win (I guess I just said it).

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @53 Stacy

    And another McGinnster takes a jab at me and then moves back to the standard talking points.

    Lovely. Who’s next?

    Stacy,

    It wasn’t me that made the equation – it was punglio in @48. I was just pointing out (without fully buying into that equation) that as deservedly detested GW was – he still won.

    I believe that was because we as Democrats failed to comprehend the emotional connection GW’s narrative had with swing voters and failed to adequately counter that narrative.

    You can make all the derisive comments you want about Mallahan to your circle of like-minded friends but Mallahan is still gonna win (I guess I just said it).

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @53 Stacy

    And another McGinnster takes a jab at me and then moves back to the standard talking points.

    Lovely. Who’s next?

    Stacy,

    It wasn’t me that made the equation – it was punglio in @48. I was just pointing out (without fully buying into that equation) that as deservedly detested GW was – he still won.

    I believe that was because we as Democrats failed to comprehend the emotional connection GW’s narrative had with swing voters and failed to adequately counter that narrative.

    You can make all the derisive comments you want about Mallahan to your circle of like-minded friends but Mallahan is still gonna win (I guess I just said it).

  • Stacy

    @55 – Do you have any sort of response to Mallahan’s laundry list of flip-flops?

  • Stacy

    @55 – Do you have any sort of response to Mallahan’s laundry list of flip-flops?

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @48

    THEN he would put up with it.

    Putting up with something is not making the best of a bad situation, he is willing to become a spectator, he does not have to be mayor in order to “put up with it”.

    @51, I do agree, it is the tactics, and the timing of those tactics. While his campaign is belittling Mallahan’s policy positions as being “me to” positions (being often similar on often softball subjects, they policy “predictions”) McGinn was unable to get off of his primary election position on the tunnel.
    At nearly the same time the council was getting closer and closer to pulling the rug from under him.

    How could he badmouth Mallahan on policy positions, and then take his position on the tunnel?
    A box of his own making.

    Even now he still can’t, look at the story above, he is still looking for a way to kill the tunnel.
    He is getting the headline “backing away from the tunnel” while still floating that he will look to kill it in the subtext.

  • Stacy

    @55 – Do you have any sort of response to Mallahan’s laundry list of flip-flops?

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    @48

    THEN he would put up with it.

    Putting up with something is not making the best of a bad situation, he is willing to become a spectator, he does not have to be mayor in order to “put up with it”.

    @51, I do agree, it is the tactics, and the timing of those tactics. While his campaign is belittling Mallahan’s policy positions as being “me to” positions (being often similar on often softball subjects, they policy “predictions”) McGinn was unable to get off of his primary election position on the tunnel.
    At nearly the same time the council was getting closer and closer to pulling the rug from under him.

    How could he badmouth Mallahan on policy positions, and then take his position on the tunnel?
    A box of his own making.

    Even now he still can’t, look at the story above, he is still looking for a way to kill the tunnel.
    He is getting the headline “backing away from the tunnel” while still floating that he will look to kill it in the subtext.

  • Yup

    News flash McGinn supporters — it’s not like he didn’t know this vote was coming, or that he didn’t already have a darn good idea about what the outcome would be. This is not only a flip-flop, it’s a political maneuver.

    If for some reason McGinn didn’t realize that his statements about having to go along with the council would explode in the press, he’s an idiot. If he did know, then he’s nothing more than a typical politician pulling a stunt for votes. Take your pick.

  • Yup

    News flash McGinn supporters — it’s not like he didn’t know this vote was coming, or that he didn’t already have a darn good idea about what the outcome would be. This is not only a flip-flop, it’s a political maneuver.

    If for some reason McGinn didn’t realize that his statements about having to go along with the council would explode in the press, he’s an idiot. If he did know, then he’s nothing more than a typical politician pulling a stunt for votes. Take your pick.

  • Yup

    News flash McGinn supporters — it’s not like he didn’t know this vote was coming, or that he didn’t already have a darn good idea about what the outcome would be. This is not only a flip-flop, it’s a political maneuver.

    If for some reason McGinn didn’t realize that his statements about having to go along with the council would explode in the press, he’s an idiot. If he did know, then he’s nothing more than a typical politician pulling a stunt for votes. Take your pick.

  • punglio

    I don’t understand what you’re saying @49 @50 @55 (or @51, @52).

    It seems like your argument is not that you want Mallahan to win, or not that you agree with Mallahan’s positions, but that you don’t want McGinn to win, AND so you are speculating on how everyone else will or should vote. While political speculation can be somewhat interesting if you like horse races (and that’s what most political blogs’ comments are about), it’s just speculation. Unless you’re working for Mallahan to win.

    W. won, yes (or sort of). But he wasn’t detested – he was ADORED. Bush was “a good guy” who folks “wanted to have a beer with” and was “likeable” and “electable.” I don’t vote on my elected officials based on those kinds of reasons, but clearly many people do.
    It doesn’t really matter if you voted for W or not. But Mallahan is playing the same as W did: no experience, no interest, no ideas, lots of money, lots of establishment support. It sounds like you’ve already voted (or are utterly convinced of your choice to vote) for Mallahan. But it sounds like you are voting for Mallahan for the same reason the majority voted for Bush. And I like neither that reason nor how it worked out.

    Someone said about Obama, and it applies just as much in a mayor’s race: “He’s not your boyfriend.” We should be skeptical of our leaders, not in-love with them. I bet both Mall and Mac are actually personable nice people, but I’m not voting for my Dad or my boyfriend, I’m voting for this city’s leader.

    Don’t vote with Yer Gut.

  • punglio

    I don’t understand what you’re saying @49 @50 @55 (or @51, @52).

    It seems like your argument is not that you want Mallahan to win, or not that you agree with Mallahan’s positions, but that you don’t want McGinn to win, AND so you are speculating on how everyone else will or should vote. While political speculation can be somewhat interesting if you like horse races (and that’s what most political blogs’ comments are about), it’s just speculation. Unless you’re working for Mallahan to win.

    W. won, yes (or sort of). But he wasn’t detested – he was ADORED. Bush was “a good guy” who folks “wanted to have a beer with” and was “likeable” and “electable.” I don’t vote on my elected officials based on those kinds of reasons, but clearly many people do.
    It doesn’t really matter if you voted for W or not. But Mallahan is playing the same as W did: no experience, no interest, no ideas, lots of money, lots of establishment support. It sounds like you’ve already voted (or are utterly convinced of your choice to vote) for Mallahan. But it sounds like you are voting for Mallahan for the same reason the majority voted for Bush. And I like neither that reason nor how it worked out.

    Someone said about Obama, and it applies just as much in a mayor’s race: “He’s not your boyfriend.” We should be skeptical of our leaders, not in-love with them. I bet both Mall and Mac are actually personable nice people, but I’m not voting for my Dad or my boyfriend, I’m voting for this city’s leader.

    Don’t vote with Yer Gut.

  • punglio

    I don’t understand what you’re saying @49 @50 @55 (or @51, @52).

    It seems like your argument is not that you want Mallahan to win, or not that you agree with Mallahan’s positions, but that you don’t want McGinn to win, AND so you are speculating on how everyone else will or should vote. While political speculation can be somewhat interesting if you like horse races (and that’s what most political blogs’ comments are about), it’s just speculation. Unless you’re working for Mallahan to win.

    W. won, yes (or sort of). But he wasn’t detested – he was ADORED. Bush was “a good guy” who folks “wanted to have a beer with” and was “likeable” and “electable.” I don’t vote on my elected officials based on those kinds of reasons, but clearly many people do.
    It doesn’t really matter if you voted for W or not. But Mallahan is playing the same as W did: no experience, no interest, no ideas, lots of money, lots of establishment support. It sounds like you’ve already voted (or are utterly convinced of your choice to vote) for Mallahan. But it sounds like you are voting for Mallahan for the same reason the majority voted for Bush. And I like neither that reason nor how it worked out.

    Someone said about Obama, and it applies just as much in a mayor’s race: “He’s not your boyfriend.” We should be skeptical of our leaders, not in-love with them. I bet both Mall and Mac are actually personable nice people, but I’m not voting for my Dad or my boyfriend, I’m voting for this city’s leader.

    Don’t vote with Yer Gut.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @56

    Stacy, I didn’t use the term “flip-flop” to descibe the position adjustments of either candidate.

    In the real world smart people allow their thinking to evolve. Some people’s thinking evolves faster than others. Some people’s thinking doesn’t evolve at all and they become effectively extinct.

    McGinn’s evolution – too little, too late.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @56

    Stacy, I didn’t use the term “flip-flop” to descibe the position adjustments of either candidate.

    In the real world smart people allow their thinking to evolve. Some people’s thinking evolves faster than others. Some people’s thinking doesn’t evolve at all and they become effectively extinct.

    McGinn’s evolution – too little, too late.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @56

    Stacy, I didn’t use the term “flip-flop” to descibe the position adjustments of either candidate.

    In the real world smart people allow their thinking to evolve. Some people’s thinking evolves faster than others. Some people’s thinking doesn’t evolve at all and they become effectively extinct.

    McGinn’s evolution – too little, too late.

  • Westie

    Josh: Why are you avoiding the fact that the McGinn changed his position based on a poll conducted at the end of last week? I know that Mike is your hero, but when you avoid your responsibilities as a journalist that doesn’t look good to us outside your little club. Publicola is a good concept, but you need to get beyond Stranger-think or you will forever remain a clique rather than a trusted news source.

  • Westie

    Josh: Why are you avoiding the fact that the McGinn changed his position based on a poll conducted at the end of last week? I know that Mike is your hero, but when you avoid your responsibilities as a journalist that doesn’t look good to us outside your little club. Publicola is a good concept, but you need to get beyond Stranger-think or you will forever remain a clique rather than a trusted news source.

  • Westie

    Josh: Why are you avoiding the fact that the McGinn changed his position based on a poll conducted at the end of last week? I know that Mike is your hero, but when you avoid your responsibilities as a journalist that doesn’t look good to us outside your little club. Publicola is a good concept, but you need to get beyond Stranger-think or you will forever remain a clique rather than a trusted news source.

  • punglio

    @57 and @51, @52
    It sounds like you’re a guest on McLaughlin Group or a sunday cable show. That’s not meant to be mean or belittling – it’s that I don’t base my vote on political calculation and it sounds like you do. I can’t affect the campaign tactics. And speculating on what tactics do what to what part of the public is more interesting to me when the election is over – but even then it’s mind-reading to determine why people vote the way they do. If candidates campaigned more on ideas and positions than on tactics, it might be a more honest exercise in democracy.

    There is plenty of lying and strategery in politics that I’m not familiar with or “savvy” at and I try to make voting decisions on how a candidate’s positions and ideas align with mine; and I find it too difficult to follow the blowing of the political winds by the reckoning of the news.

  • punglio

    @57 and @51, @52
    It sounds like you’re a guest on McLaughlin Group or a sunday cable show. That’s not meant to be mean or belittling – it’s that I don’t base my vote on political calculation and it sounds like you do. I can’t affect the campaign tactics. And speculating on what tactics do what to what part of the public is more interesting to me when the election is over – but even then it’s mind-reading to determine why people vote the way they do. If candidates campaigned more on ideas and positions than on tactics, it might be a more honest exercise in democracy.

    There is plenty of lying and strategery in politics that I’m not familiar with or “savvy” at and I try to make voting decisions on how a candidate’s positions and ideas align with mine; and I find it too difficult to follow the blowing of the political winds by the reckoning of the news.

  • punglio

    @57 and @51, @52
    It sounds like you’re a guest on McLaughlin Group or a sunday cable show. That’s not meant to be mean or belittling – it’s that I don’t base my vote on political calculation and it sounds like you do. I can’t affect the campaign tactics. And speculating on what tactics do what to what part of the public is more interesting to me when the election is over – but even then it’s mind-reading to determine why people vote the way they do. If candidates campaigned more on ideas and positions than on tactics, it might be a more honest exercise in democracy.

    There is plenty of lying and strategery in politics that I’m not familiar with or “savvy” at and I try to make voting decisions on how a candidate’s positions and ideas align with mine; and I find it too difficult to follow the blowing of the political winds by the reckoning of the news.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @59 punglio

    My argument is Mallahan is going to win and McGinn’s campaign tactics are helping Mallahan to win.

    I do personally believe that Mallahan should win – that he’s the better choice for Mayor. I do acknowledge that others honestly believe that McGinn is a better choice.

    The truth is that practically all people vote with their gut even when they delude themselves into believing that they don’t.

    I expect to spend many more of my evenings in the next two weeks working as a Mallahan volunteer.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @59 punglio

    My argument is Mallahan is going to win and McGinn’s campaign tactics are helping Mallahan to win.

    I do personally believe that Mallahan should win – that he’s the better choice for Mayor. I do acknowledge that others honestly believe that McGinn is a better choice.

    The truth is that practically all people vote with their gut even when they delude themselves into believing that they don’t.

    I expect to spend many more of my evenings in the next two weeks working as a Mallahan volunteer.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @59 punglio

    My argument is Mallahan is going to win and McGinn’s campaign tactics are helping Mallahan to win.

    I do personally believe that Mallahan should win – that he’s the better choice for Mayor. I do acknowledge that others honestly believe that McGinn is a better choice.

    The truth is that practically all people vote with their gut even when they delude themselves into believing that they don’t.

    I expect to spend many more of my evenings in the next two weeks working as a Mallahan volunteer.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @62 punglio

    I made my decision in May, just like most of the McGinn supporters who haunt the comments sections of PubliCola.

    I’d be supporting Mallahan even if it didn’t look like he was going to win.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @62 punglio

    I made my decision in May, just like most of the McGinn supporters who haunt the comments sections of PubliCola.

    I’d be supporting Mallahan even if it didn’t look like he was going to win.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @62 punglio

    I made my decision in May, just like most of the McGinn supporters who haunt the comments sections of PubliCola.

    I’d be supporting Mallahan even if it didn’t look like he was going to win.

  • punglio

    Mallahan Volunteer @63

    My argument is that I agree with most of McGinn’s positions and his experience is better suited for mayor than Mallahan’s.

    My argument is NOT about WHO WILL WIN – because I don’t know, since I haven’t fixed the election or studied divination.

    But these are blog comments in the final weeks before an election where most commenters have a horse in the race and find it more interesting to speculate about what they think will happen rather than why they choose to vote for a candidate. Fortunately, our State’s presidential caucus system isn’t like… er, nevermind.

  • punglio

    Mallahan Volunteer @63

    My argument is that I agree with most of McGinn’s positions and his experience is better suited for mayor than Mallahan’s.

    My argument is NOT about WHO WILL WIN – because I don’t know, since I haven’t fixed the election or studied divination.

    But these are blog comments in the final weeks before an election where most commenters have a horse in the race and find it more interesting to speculate about what they think will happen rather than why they choose to vote for a candidate. Fortunately, our State’s presidential caucus system isn’t like… er, nevermind.

  • sarah68

    Stacyx3, I didn’t make my decision in May. I made it after I watched the candidates in person. I don’t know why you assume that McGinn supporters (now voters) are some sort of cult devotees. As someone said, I am not indeed voting for my boyfriend and never have. But I am voting for someone I could trust to actually think about something and come up with a reasonable comment about it, and then take some concerted action.

    Neither you nor any of the other Mallahan supporters have even attempted to portray Mallahan as being above to do the above. You simply talk about McGinn. It’s been asked a number of times: Give us 3 things–or even one thing–that Mallahan has accomplished that has been of use to society. And I don’t mean T-Mobile, although in fact nobody’s really told us what he does there, either.

    So let’s talk about Mallahan. Who the hell is he? I’ve watched him up close about 6 times and I have no idea.

  • sarah68

    Stacyx3, I didn’t make my decision in May. I made it after I watched the candidates in person. I don’t know why you assume that McGinn supporters (now voters) are some sort of cult devotees. As someone said, I am not indeed voting for my boyfriend and never have. But I am voting for someone I could trust to actually think about something and come up with a reasonable comment about it, and then take some concerted action.

    Neither you nor any of the other Mallahan supporters have even attempted to portray Mallahan as being above to do the above. You simply talk about McGinn. It’s been asked a number of times: Give us 3 things–or even one thing–that Mallahan has accomplished that has been of use to society. And I don’t mean T-Mobile, although in fact nobody’s really told us what he does there, either.

    So let’s talk about Mallahan. Who the hell is he? I’ve watched him up close about 6 times and I have no idea.

  • sarah68

    Stacyx3, I didn’t make my decision in May. I made it after I watched the candidates in person. I don’t know why you assume that McGinn supporters (now voters) are some sort of cult devotees. As someone said, I am not indeed voting for my boyfriend and never have. But I am voting for someone I could trust to actually think about something and come up with a reasonable comment about it, and then take some concerted action.

    Neither you nor any of the other Mallahan supporters have even attempted to portray Mallahan as being above to do the above. You simply talk about McGinn. It’s been asked a number of times: Give us 3 things–or even one thing–that Mallahan has accomplished that has been of use to society. And I don’t mean T-Mobile, although in fact nobody’s really told us what he does there, either.

    So let’s talk about Mallahan. Who the hell is he? I’ve watched him up close about 6 times and I have no idea.

  • sarah68

    Edit function, please, Josh!

    “being able to do the above”

  • sarah68

    Edit function, please, Josh!

    “being able to do the above”

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @66 sarah68

    We’ve already had this discusion. Here’s the link.

    http://publicola.net/?p=16018#comments

    I do agree with you that we need an edit function.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @66 sarah68

    We’ve already had this discusion. Here’s the link.

    http://publicola.net/?p=16018#comments

    I do agree with you that we need an edit function.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @66 sarah68

    We’ve already had this discusion. Here’s the link.

    http://publicola.net/?p=16018#comments

    I do agree with you that we need an edit function.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @68

    Case in point, I left out the 3rd ‘s’ in discussion.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @68

    Case in point, I left out the 3rd ‘s’ in discussion.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @68

    Case in point, I left out the 3rd ‘s’ in discussion.

  • Susanneston

    StacieX3, does T-Mobile know they are paying you to spend all this time focusing on comment threads or are you on a leave of absence along with your buddy Mallahan?

  • Susanneston

    StacieX3, does T-Mobile know they are paying you to spend all this time focusing on comment threads or are you on a leave of absence along with your buddy Mallahan?

  • Susanneston

    StacieX3, does T-Mobile know they are paying you to spend all this time focusing on comment threads or are you on a leave of absence along with your buddy Mallahan?

  • Westie

    Impressive, Mallahan has already cashed in on McGinn’s flip flop. That was fast:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onhlrsP3xhk

  • Westie

    Impressive, Mallahan has already cashed in on McGinn’s flip flop. That was fast:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onhlrsP3xhk

  • Stacy

    @68 – There isn’t a single example of “3 things–or even one thing–that Mallahan has accomplished that has been of use to society. And I don’t mean T-Mobile, although in fact nobody’s really told us what he does there, either.” in the link you provided. Nor is there on Joe’s website, or in his history in fact; unless we’re missing something. Actually, my husband made the comment during Sunday night’s debate that he’s, “never seen someone say so many words without actually saying anything at all.” Who is Joe Mallahan? What has he ever accomplished that added value to our society?

  • Stacy

    @68 – There isn’t a single example of “3 things–or even one thing–that Mallahan has accomplished that has been of use to society. And I don’t mean T-Mobile, although in fact nobody’s really told us what he does there, either.” in the link you provided. Nor is there on Joe’s website, or in his history in fact; unless we’re missing something. Actually, my husband made the comment during Sunday night’s debate that he’s, “never seen someone say so many words without actually saying anything at all.” Who is Joe Mallahan? What has he ever accomplished that added value to our society?

  • sigh

    @68

    I just, painfully, went through the entire thread that you linked to and couldn’t find the place where you explained his policy positions and why you support what he supports.

    If you’ve said it elsewhere, please just copy and paste so I don’t have to run through another thread of platitudes of “nice guy” and “approachable.”

    No doubt, those personal qualities are strong attributes, but issues count, too. All I’ve heard from Mallahan are troubling statements that are usually not adjusted to be more nuanced, but instead because he didn’t know what he was talking about in the first place (read: Burke Gilman Trail, Mercer, etc.).

    Please give us something to work with. Thank you.

  • sigh

    @68

    I just, painfully, went through the entire thread that you linked to and couldn’t find the place where you explained his policy positions and why you support what he supports.

    If you’ve said it elsewhere, please just copy and paste so I don’t have to run through another thread of platitudes of “nice guy” and “approachable.”

    No doubt, those personal qualities are strong attributes, but issues count, too. All I’ve heard from Mallahan are troubling statements that are usually not adjusted to be more nuanced, but instead because he didn’t know what he was talking about in the first place (read: Burke Gilman Trail, Mercer, etc.).

    Please give us something to work with. Thank you.

  • Westie

    Impressive, Mallahan has already cashed in on McGinn’s flip flop. That was fast:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onhlrsP3xhk

  • Stacy

    @68 – There isn’t a single example of “3 things–or even one thing–that Mallahan has accomplished that has been of use to society. And I don’t mean T-Mobile, although in fact nobody’s really told us what he does there, either.” in the link you provided. Nor is there on Joe’s website, or in his history in fact; unless we’re missing something. Actually, my husband made the comment during Sunday night’s debate that he’s, “never seen someone say so many words without actually saying anything at all.” Who is Joe Mallahan? What has he ever accomplished that added value to our society?

  • sigh

    @68

    I just, painfully, went through the entire thread that you linked to and couldn’t find the place where you explained his policy positions and why you support what he supports.

    If you’ve said it elsewhere, please just copy and paste so I don’t have to run through another thread of platitudes of “nice guy” and “approachable.”

    No doubt, those personal qualities are strong attributes, but issues count, too. All I’ve heard from Mallahan are troubling statements that are usually not adjusted to be more nuanced, but instead because he didn’t know what he was talking about in the first place (read: Burke Gilman Trail, Mercer, etc.).

    Please give us something to work with. Thank you.

  • punglio

    @72 @73
    Don’t you get it? When you’ve looked into someone’s eyes and seen their soul, you don’t need positions or experience. In the 21st century, we, The Customer, can ideate efficiencies, driving them to grow business.
    Isn’t that perfectly clear, where George W Mallahan stands?

  • punglio

    @72 @73
    Don’t you get it? When you’ve looked into someone’s eyes and seen their soul, you don’t need positions or experience. In the 21st century, we, The Customer, can ideate efficiencies, driving them to grow business.
    Isn’t that perfectly clear, where George W Mallahan stands?

  • punglio

    @72 @73
    Don’t you get it? When you’ve looked into someone’s eyes and seen their soul, you don’t need positions or experience. In the 21st century, we, The Customer, can ideate efficiencies, driving them to grow business.
    Isn’t that perfectly clear, where George W Mallahan stands?

  • Susanneston

    @72. Stacy is dead on: Where does Mallahan give us an example of “driving efficiencies?” I’ve asked before and never gotten an answer that goes deeper than, “He’s a nice guy to go camping with” or somesuch.

    From Stacy: There isn’t a single example of “3 things–or even one thing–that Mallahan has accomplished that has been of use to society. And I don’t mean T-Mobile, although in fact nobody’s really told us what he does there, either.”

  • Susanneston

    @72. Stacy is dead on: Where does Mallahan give us an example of “driving efficiencies?” I’ve asked before and never gotten an answer that goes deeper than, “He’s a nice guy to go camping with” or somesuch.

    From Stacy: There isn’t a single example of “3 things–or even one thing–that Mallahan has accomplished that has been of use to society. And I don’t mean T-Mobile, although in fact nobody’s really told us what he does there, either.”

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @70 Susanneston
    I’m a former T-Mobile employee. I’m currently self-employed and my boss is letting me waste my time with you.

    @72 Stacy & @75 Susannaston
    Do you two share a brain or just talking points? I don’t expect that this will satisfy you but here’s four (4) things “that Mallahan has accomplished that has been of use to society.”

    1. Establishing battered women’s shelter in North Chicago neighborhood despite objections from affluent neighborhood leaders.

    2. Active support of Treehouse and foster children’s causes. I’m sure Treehouse Exec Dir, Janice Avery knew Joe, Carolyn and their contributions to foster children well before Joe got into the mayor’s race.

    3. Active support for Washington CASH (Community Alliance for Self Help) a microlending and small business counseling nonprofit that focuses on helping disadvantaged women start their own business. I believe Cheryl Sesnon, WA CASH Exec Dir has endorsed Joe.

    4. For extra credit – Canvassing for Obama in the Indiana

    @73 & @74 I’ve heard Mike McGinn say, “Issues come and go, its values and character that matter.” I agree with McGinn on that point so I’m supporting Mallahan.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @70 Susanneston
    I’m a former T-Mobile employee. I’m currently self-employed and my boss is letting me waste my time with you.

    @72 Stacy & @75 Susannaston
    Do you two share a brain or just talking points? I don’t expect that this will satisfy you but here’s four (4) things “that Mallahan has accomplished that has been of use to society.”

    1. Establishing battered women’s shelter in North Chicago neighborhood despite objections from affluent neighborhood leaders.

    2. Active support of Treehouse and foster children’s causes. I’m sure Treehouse Exec Dir, Janice Avery knew Joe, Carolyn and their contributions to foster children well before Joe got into the mayor’s race.

    3. Active support for Washington CASH (Community Alliance for Self Help) a microlending and small business counseling nonprofit that focuses on helping disadvantaged women start their own business. I believe Cheryl Sesnon, WA CASH Exec Dir has endorsed Joe.

    4. For extra credit – Canvassing for Obama in the Indiana

    @73 & @74 I’ve heard Mike McGinn say, “Issues come and go, its values and character that matter.” I agree with McGinn on that point so I’m supporting Mallahan.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @76

    it’s 4. Canvassing for Obama in the Indiana primary.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @76

    it’s 4. Canvassing for Obama in the Indiana primary.

  • Susanneston

    Ignoring the fact that Mallahan has not lifted a finger in Seattle (unwilling even to lift a pen to vote for an education levy) and the fact that “active support” means Mrs. Mallahan actually did stuff and the Mr. went along for the ride…

    How about DRIVING EFFICIENCIES? That’s the cornerstone of his campaign. Mallahan claims this over and over again and then again some more. If he could give one example for every time he makes this claim, that would be really neat. Instead we have zero examples so far and only 2 weeks for him to think something up.

  • Susanneston

    Ignoring the fact that Mallahan has not lifted a finger in Seattle (unwilling even to lift a pen to vote for an education levy) and the fact that “active support” means Mrs. Mallahan actually did stuff and the Mr. went along for the ride…

    How about DRIVING EFFICIENCIES? That’s the cornerstone of his campaign. Mallahan claims this over and over again and then again some more. If he could give one example for every time he makes this claim, that would be really neat. Instead we have zero examples so far and only 2 weeks for him to think something up.

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    @ 76 -

    1. It took the Mallahan campaign all day to figure that out and get back to you?

    2. Pretty sure McGinn does that much in a normal day. But then, Mike is an actual community organizer. (Joe ain’t even though he thinks he can be so if he says it enough times.)

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    @ 76 -

    1. It took the Mallahan campaign all day to figure that out and get back to you?

    2. Pretty sure McGinn does that much in a normal day. But then, Mike is an actual community organizer. (Joe ain’t even though he thinks he can be so if he says it enough times.)

  • Susanneston

    Also StacyX3, how are we supposed to take the whole “driving efficiencies” thing seriously when Mallahan’s campaign is so far in debt?

    Not running a very efficient campaign eh?

  • Susanneston

    Also StacyX3, how are we supposed to take the whole “driving efficiencies” thing seriously when Mallahan’s campaign is so far in debt?

    Not running a very efficient campaign eh?

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Hey Westie -

    This one is by far my all time favorite!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGztMx3gunc

    Timeless. Classic. Spot on!

  • Stop All of Your Sobbing

    Hey Westie -

    This one is by far my all time favorite!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGztMx3gunc

    Timeless. Classic. Spot on!

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @78. Susanneston

    Sorry I’m going to watch this video more time and then go to the Mallahan phone bank.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onhlrsP3xhk

    You should prepare yourself for election day disappointment.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @78. Susanneston

    Sorry I’m going to watch this video more time and then go to the Mallahan phone bank.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onhlrsP3xhk

    You should prepare yourself for election day disappointment.

  • sigh

    @76

    In addition to values and character, I value critical thinking skills and I haven’t heard a compelling case that they exist with Joe Mallahan.

    From what I can tell, McGinn also has a policy platform in addition to holding strong values and character.

    Based on Mallahan’s iffy responses to questions, and based on the lack of much of a message in his campaigning, I can’t figure out any coherent reason to support him.

    So again, what are three of Mallahan’s policy positions that you support and why?

    Thank you.

  • sigh

    @76

    In addition to values and character, I value critical thinking skills and I haven’t heard a compelling case that they exist with Joe Mallahan.

    From what I can tell, McGinn also has a policy platform in addition to holding strong values and character.

    Based on Mallahan’s iffy responses to questions, and based on the lack of much of a message in his campaigning, I can’t figure out any coherent reason to support him.

    So again, what are three of Mallahan’s policy positions that you support and why?

    Thank you.

  • Susanneston

    StacyX3,
    Clearly you agree with me then that there is nothing backing up Mallahan’s claims to be able to “drive efficiencies” and that his campaign debt is a bad sign for Seattle’s future if Mallahan gets elected.

    Mallahan is banking on low-information voters – the same kind of people that were fooled by George Bush. I think Seattle is smarter than that.

  • Susanneston

    StacyX3,
    Clearly you agree with me then that there is nothing backing up Mallahan’s claims to be able to “drive efficiencies” and that his campaign debt is a bad sign for Seattle’s future if Mallahan gets elected.

    Mallahan is banking on low-information voters – the same kind of people that were fooled by George Bush. I think Seattle is smarter than that.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @84 Susanneston

    Please don’t ever assume that I agree with you on anything.

  • Stacy, Stacey, Stacie

    @84 Susanneston

    Please don’t ever assume that I agree with you on anything.

  • sarah68

    This has got to be the 4th separate thread in which people are asking Stacyx3 what Mallahan stands for/on and nothing is produced, except “business experience” (which is not available to us because T Mobile won’t say anything). We do get links to polls. Is that supposed to be convincing to voters?

    It’s kind of pitiful. It will be especially pitiful for us if he wins.

  • sarah68

    This has got to be the 4th separate thread in which people are asking Stacyx3 what Mallahan stands for/on and nothing is produced, except “business experience” (which is not available to us because T Mobile won’t say anything). We do get links to polls. Is that supposed to be convincing to voters?

    It’s kind of pitiful. It will be especially pitiful for us if he wins.