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Ultimately on the Chopping Block

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1. Rumors were circulating this weekend that mayoral candidate Joe Mallahan got defensive under tough questioning and started crying during a small, private meet-and-greet with supporters at Starbucks exec Denny Post’s house two weekends ago.

Former city council member and Mallahan campaign chair Tina Podlodowski (who was at the get-together) says, “[that's] not how I quite remember it.”

PubliCola talked to a couple of people who attended the October 3 Mallahan get-together, and they chalk the rumor up to the fact that “Joe did get a little teary-eyed” and “emotional” when he was talking about homeless youth (according to one guest) or talking about disadvantaged youth and his recently deceased parents (according to another.)

2. We were slammed yesterday and never got around to posting  our daily Press Release Roundup.

Too bad. Because there were two A’s yesterday.

The first one came from King County Executive candidate Susan Hutchison, who was responding to the news (first reported by PubliCola) that NARAL Pro-Choice Washington was doing a $12,000 ad campaign against her for not being pro-choice (“We can’t trust Susan Hutchison to protect these patients. Don’t let Family Planning Clinics disappear”).

Hutchison not only flatly denied NARAL’s charge—”Today a special-interest group began running attack ads claiming I would endanger health clinics as County Executive.  This could not be further from the truth. As County Executive, I will not change the policies of the County health department”—she also cleverly seized on the opportunity to re-frame the debate, making it about the county budget, an issue that hurts her opponent, council chair Dow Constantine.

Better (and this is the clever part), Hutchison used the budget issue to paint Constantine as the one who was putting women’s health at risk.

The release continued:

“What I will do is eliminate my opponent’s wasteful and irresponsible spending that has forced two of these vital clinics in Kent to padlock their doors. [Editor's note: The Kent Teen Clinic and the Kent-Alder Square Health Clinic.]

“As Chair of the King County Council my opponent created a $110 million budget deficit, approved a series of unsustainable budgets and spent millions on a ferry district at the expense of public safety and public health.  If Chairman Constantine is elected King County Executive, other public health clinics that were able to survive this round of cuts will ultimately end up on the chopping block as well.”

Tenacious stuff from the Hutchison camp. Grade: A.

3. The Constantine camp also connected with a solid body blow yesterday.

Constantine’s release came in response to something Hutchison told the Seattle Times earlier in the day  in an article comparing the two candidates’ environmental records.

The Seattle Times wrote: “Hutchison says … as executive director of the Charles Simonyi Fund for Arts and Sciences, she has steered money to environmental causes.”

Constantine fact-checked that for the Times and found that the Simonyi Fund actually donated $100,000 to help start the Center for the Environment, the environmental research wing of the conservative think tank Washington Policy Center, which fights environmental regulations and questions the global warming.

Ouch. Grade: A.

That one was so good (and timely) that Constantine brought it up at an environmental debate with Hutchison later that evening at the Seattle Aquarium.

Hutchison responded by saying the Washington Policy Center was bipartisan, a comical claim she herself belied just a week earlier when she spoke at the group’s annual fundraising dinner—along with talk radio’s John Carlson, GOP AG Rob McKenna, Fox News commentator Steve Moore, and Republican U.S. Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA, 5)— bonding with the audience over the famously conservative op/ed page of the Wall Street Journal.

(We posted the video of Hutchison addressing the WPC dinner last Friday. Go to the 33-minute mark for her WSJ commentary.)

4. PubliCola ran a poll on the mayor’s race last night (we polled more than 700 likely voters, and the poll had a margin of error of 3.7 percent).

We’ll publish the results later today.


  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    4. PubliCola ran a poll on the mayor’s race last night (we polled over 700 likely voters, the poll had a margin of error of 3.7 percent).

    We’ll publish the results later today.

    Publicola ran a poll, or did you have a pollster conduct it?

    I wanted to be the first to start the hairsplitting.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr.Baker

    4. PubliCola ran a poll on the mayor’s race last night (we polled over 700 likely voters, the poll had a margin of error of 3.7 percent).

    We’ll publish the results later today.

    Publicola ran a poll, or did you have a pollster conduct it?

    I wanted to be the first to start the hairsplitting.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @2,

    A robot really. (But yes, a pollster.)

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @2,

    A robot really. (But yes, a pollster.)

  • Christi S.

    @1 Professional robo-poll! Talked to several peeps that got it.

  • Jacob

    I heard Fred Jarrett and Aaron Reardon were at the WPC annual dinner. Perhaps Constantine’s campaign should have done actual research with who was involved by going to the dinner as opposed to watching TVW’s coverage.

  • Jacob

    I heard Fred Jarrett and Aaron Reardon were at the WPC annual dinner. Perhaps Constantine’s campaign should have done actual research with who was involved by going to the dinner as opposed to watching TVW’s coverage.

  • J.R.

    @4: Boy, that’s an impressive bi-partisan lineup.

  • J.R.

    @4: Boy, that’s an impressive bi-partisan lineup.

  • Michael M.

    Was Aaron hawking energy drinks?

  • Michael M.

    Was Aaron hawking energy drinks?

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/1522367.html Gomez

    Can’t wait to see the findings of the poll.

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/1522367.html Gomez

    Can’t wait to see the findings of the poll.

  • hmmmm

    Rumors were circulating this weekend that mayoral candidate Joe Mallahan got defensive under tough questioning and started crying during a small, private meet-and-greet with supporters at Starbucks exec Denny Post’s house two weekends ago.

    Wow. Rumors about a two-week old virtual non-event. This is journalism? You have GOT to be kidding me.

  • http://dylanwilbanks.com/ dw

    No, seriously, it was a robot. I didn’t answer it, but I called the number back and the robot told me it was Publicola.

    So where you getting the money for polls exactly?

  • hmmmm

    Rumors were circulating this weekend that mayoral candidate Joe Mallahan got defensive under tough questioning and started crying during a small, private meet-and-greet with supporters at Starbucks exec Denny Post’s house two weekends ago.

    Wow. Rumors about a two-week old virtual non-event. This is journalism? You have GOT to be kidding me.

  • http://dylanwilbanks.com dw

    No, seriously, it was a robot. I didn’t answer it, but I called the number back and the robot told me it was Publicola.

    So where you getting the money for polls exactly?

  • confused?

    Rumors? Honestly Publicola you need to start reporting actual news, not bullshit whispered about from a couple of weeks ago.

    Stick to journalism, we’ll read TMZ if we want fodder.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @4,
    I was referencing who spoke (all GOP affiliated) … not who was there.

    The WPC report notes the folks I name checked…not Reardon or Jarrett.

  • confused?

    Rumors? Honestly Publicola you need to start reporting actual news, not bullshit whispered about from a couple of weeks ago.

    Stick to journalism, we’ll read TMZ if we want fodder.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @4,
    I was referencing who spoke (all GOP affiliated) … not who was there.

    The WPC report notes the folks I name checked…not Reardon or Jarrett.

  • Seattle Resident

    Thank you for explaining that rumor circulating about Mallahan. I’m not a Mallahan fan, but trying to smear a candidate for getting teary-eyed at an event is stupid and says more about the rumor-monger than the candidate. What is this, 1987?

    Plus, voters LOVE it when men in politics cry. (Hell, it’s made Glenn Beck credible in the eyes of millions.) If anything, this rumor will help the Mallahan campaign. Too bad Mallahan isn’t qualified for the job he’s seeking.

    Great job, rumor-monger.

  • Seattle Resident

    Thank you for explaining that rumor circulating about Mallahan. I’m not a Mallahan fan, but trying to smear a candidate for getting teary-eyed at an event is stupid and says more about the rumor-monger than the candidate. What is this, 1987?

    Plus, voters LOVE it when men in politics cry. (Hell, it’s made Glenn Beck credible in the eyes of millions.) If anything, this rumor will help the Mallahan campaign. Too bad Mallahan isn’t qualified for the job he’s seeking.

    Great job, rumor-monger.

  • whoa

    Rumors were circulating this weekend that mayoral candidate Joe Mallahan got defensive under tough questioning and started crying during a small, private meet-and-greet with supporters at Starbucks exec Denny Post’s house two weekends ago.

    – so this is an underreporting of what actually happened. Joe didn’t just get defensive or cry, he had a complete breakdown, bawling, saying he didn’t know the answers and “is in over his head”. And this happened twice. When Tin Pod stepped in to try to take the questions she was shut down for being inappropriate as people were there to hear from Joe.

    Unfortunately only his supporters saw this, at Denny Post’s house, and hopefully someone will confirm this. This is a story many news outlets are following up on right now. Good for Publicola for breaking it.

    Bottom line – Joe is in over his head, doesn’t know the answers, and has admitted this while breaking down in tears! Could be the end of the race.

  • whoa

    Rumors were circulating this weekend that mayoral candidate Joe Mallahan got defensive under tough questioning and started crying during a small, private meet-and-greet with supporters at Starbucks exec Denny Post’s house two weekends ago.

    – so this is an underreporting of what actually happened. Joe didn’t just get defensive or cry, he had a complete breakdown, bawling, saying he didn’t know the answers and “is in over his head”. And this happened twice. When Tin Pod stepped in to try to take the questions she was shut down for being inappropriate as people were there to hear from Joe.

    Unfortunately only his supporters saw this, at Denny Post’s house, and hopefully someone will confirm this. This is a story many news outlets are following up on right now. Good for Publicola for breaking it.

    Bottom line – Joe is in over his head, doesn’t know the answers, and has admitted this while breaking down in tears! Could be the end of the race.

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/1522367.html Gomez

    10. Speaking of TMZ, check out 13. Not that I don’t buy Mallaspam breaking down under pressure, but any McGinn supporter could have fabricated and/or embellished that 2nd paragraph in 13. Needs more sauce, whoa.

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/1522367.html Gomez

    10. Speaking of TMZ, check out 13. Not that I don’t buy Mallaspam breaking down under pressure, but any McGinn supporter could have fabricated and/or embellished that 2nd paragraph in 13. Needs more sauce, whoa.

  • unbelievable

    I can not begin to understand how people can start this absolutely false and misleading rumors about a candidate for office. Is Camp McGinn so worried and scared they have now stooped to the lowest of lows? Fanning rumors that can’t be substantiated, and only lower the tenor of the campaign.

    Lets stick to the issues people, lets have a conversation about how to move Seattle out of the hole we’re in.

  • unbelievable

    I can not begin to understand how people can start this absolutely false and misleading rumors about a candidate for office. Is Camp McGinn so worried and scared they have now stooped to the lowest of lows? Fanning rumors that can’t be substantiated, and only lower the tenor of the campaign.

    Lets stick to the issues people, lets have a conversation about how to move Seattle out of the hole we’re in.

  • hey whoa

    hey whoa if you say “Joe didn’t just get defensive or cry, he had a complete breakdown, bawling, saying he didn’t know the answers and “is in over his head”. And this happened twice” why not sign your name and tell a reporter so this can be verified, otherwise you’re just probably a rumormonger.

    do tell, did you make it up, or did you get it from someone who was there?

    It’s hard to believe someone like Mallahan would have a breakdown…..

    and i’m 100% for mcginn btw. but 100% against lying.

  • hey whoa

    hey whoa if you say “Joe didn’t just get defensive or cry, he had a complete breakdown, bawling, saying he didn’t know the answers and “is in over his head”. And this happened twice” why not sign your name and tell a reporter so this can be verified, otherwise you’re just probably a rumormonger.

    do tell, did you make it up, or did you get it from someone who was there?

    It’s hard to believe someone like Mallahan would have a breakdown…..

    and i’m 100% for mcginn btw. but 100% against lying.

  • Seattle Resident

    Unless someone will go on record about this alleged ‘complete breakdown’, then it didn’t happen.

  • Seattle Resident

    Unless someone will go on record about this alleged ‘complete breakdown’, then it didn’t happen.

  • chris g

    Huffington Post getting into the Susan Hutchison business too. even uses an old ECB story. check it out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tarico/susan-hutchison—-washin_b_318106.html

  • chris g

    Huffington Post getting into the Susan Hutchison business too. even uses an old ECB story. check it out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tarico/susan-hutchison—-washin_b_318106.html

  • Trevor

    More sports-analogy news coverage of spin and rumor-mongering this morning in publicola. I’m not as harsh as Ivan in my criticisms. But I do think you guys should aim higher.

  • Trevor

    More sports-analogy news coverage of spin and rumor-mongering this morning in publicola. I’m not as harsh as Ivan in my criticisms. But I do think you guys should aim higher.

  • tr

    I was present for this event. First, let me be clear: this
    wasn’t billed as a fundraiser. It was a group of arts
    supporters who wanted to hear from Joe directly on his
    vision for the arts, after some troubling comments he had
    made. Many of us wanted to hear from him directly.
    It was hosted by someone who IS a Joe supporter,
    but the room was filled with folks like me – undecided
    or softly leaning in one direction or another.
    Joe was awkward and stammering but was no where near
    a meltdown.

    Yes, he got choked up. But that’s it. Some people find
    this embarassing. I say big deal.

    And I know the person who is
    spreading this rumor. This person was running around the event after Joe
    stopped talking and was stirring the pot. I was actually
    leaning McGinn before event and Joe did NOTHING to
    alleviate my concerns. But I found this person to be
    disgusting. I don’t know if that means I will
    vote for Joe, he still has to win me over, but I might
    just leave it blank to be honest.

    I think Greg needed to
    go, but I wish we had better choices for the general.

  • tr

    I was present for this event. First, let me be clear: this
    wasn’t billed as a fundraiser. It was a group of arts
    supporters who wanted to hear from Joe directly on his
    vision for the arts, after some troubling comments he had
    made. Many of us wanted to hear from him directly.
    It was hosted by someone who IS a Joe supporter,
    but the room was filled with folks like me – undecided
    or softly leaning in one direction or another.
    Joe was awkward and stammering but was no where near
    a meltdown.

    Yes, he got choked up. But that’s it. Some people find
    this embarassing. I say big deal.

    And I know the person who is
    spreading this rumor. This person was running around the event after Joe
    stopped talking and was stirring the pot. I was actually
    leaning McGinn before event and Joe did NOTHING to
    alleviate my concerns. But I found this person to be
    disgusting. I don’t know if that means I will
    vote for Joe, he still has to win me over, but I might
    just leave it blank to be honest.

    I think Greg needed to
    go, but I wish we had better choices for the general.

  • Educated Voter

    I heard that Mike McGinn broke down and cried when Mike O’Brien told him he had to leave his electric motor at home if he joined him on his cross-city bike tour.

  • Educated Voter

    I heard that Mike McGinn broke down and cried when Mike O’Brien told him he had to leave his electric motor at home if he joined him on his cross-city bike tour.

  • Chris Stefan

    As a strong McGinn supporter I have to agree item #1 is pretty weak. You shouldn’t be reporting that sort of thing unless you have some sort of confirmation from someone who was actually there.

    I’m more inclined to believe he might have got a bit misty eyed when talking about homeless youth or orphans than him having a breakdown under tough questioning.

    In fact the real story might be more in who is spreading the rumor. I get the sense that people on both sides are attempting to conduct a whispering campaign against the other candidate. I’d like to know if any of smears can be traced back to anyone associated with either campaign.

  • Chris Stefan

    As a strong McGinn supporter I have to agree item #1 is pretty weak. You shouldn’t be reporting that sort of thing unless you have some sort of confirmation from someone who was actually there.

    I’m more inclined to believe he might have got a bit misty eyed when talking about homeless youth or orphans than him having a breakdown under tough questioning.

    In fact the real story might be more in who is spreading the rumor. I get the sense that people on both sides are attempting to conduct a whispering campaign against the other candidate. I’d like to know if any of smears can be traced back to anyone associated with either campaign.

  • sarah68

    For those who cry “This isn’t journalism!”, surely you know this is 2009, not 1970. Cronkite’s dead. You are reading this stuff; you are commenting. If you think it’s so reprehensible, why are you doing so? This is blog journalism, in a fairly small intimate city, where rumors make up much of the content. DC actually has rumors, too — it’s just a bigger barnyard.

    @20: You say you watching the person running around spreading the rumor about Joe. Then you say you were leaning toward McGinn and Joe did nothing to alleviate your concerns, but just because you were disgusted with the rumor-spreader, you’re thinking of either voting for Joe or not voting for anyone? What a rational way to determine your vote. Unless the rumor-spreader was actually McGinn himself or his campaign manager, that makes no sense.

  • sarah68

    For those who cry “This isn’t journalism!”, surely you know this is 2009, not 1970. Cronkite’s dead. You are reading this stuff; you are commenting. If you think it’s so reprehensible, why are you doing so? This is blog journalism, in a fairly small intimate city, where rumors make up much of the content. DC actually has rumors, too — it’s just a bigger barnyard.

    @20: You say you watching the person running around spreading the rumor about Joe. Then you say you were leaning toward McGinn and Joe did nothing to alleviate your concerns, but just because you were disgusted with the rumor-spreader, you’re thinking of either voting for Joe or not voting for anyone? What a rational way to determine your vote. Unless the rumor-spreader was actually McGinn himself or his campaign manager, that makes no sense.

  • Pete

    I agree with the criticism above concerning the reporting of Mallahan’s crying at a private event. I’d have thought that given the controversy from a few weeks ago when Mallahan claimed that Publicola had quoted him out of context, that you would have been sensitive to any appearance of bias. Now you’ve exposed yourselves to that claim, rightly or wrongly. Please don’t report rumors. If the story can be corroborated, fine, but that doesn’t seem to be the case here.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @22,

    I talked to two people who were there (at a very small house event.) They told me what they saw. I reported it.

    I also talked to the campaign.

  • Pete

    I agree with the criticism above concerning the reporting of Mallahan’s crying at a private event. I’d have thought that given the controversy from a few weeks ago when Mallahan claimed that Publicola had quoted him out of context, that you would have been sensitive to any appearance of bias. Now you’ve exposed yourselves to that claim, rightly or wrongly. Please don’t report rumors. If the story can be corroborated, fine, but that doesn’t seem to be the case here.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @22,

    I talked to two people who were there (at a very small house event.) They told me what they saw. I reported it.

    I also talked to the campaign.

  • stacy, stacey, stacie

    The account in Fizz item #1 seems truthful and well sourced. Tina Podlodowski was present and named in the interview and PubliCola talked to other people present to get the story. @20 “tr’s” account also supports the PubliCola reported account.

    I personally have seen both candidates ‘teary-eyed’ at different times during this race. Publicly demonstrating deep emotion is in my mind a positive and both Mcginn & Mallahan deserve credit for doing so.

    To @13 and others who want to keep repeating this trash, please grow up. This is the race for Seattle Mayor, not Junior High.

    If you want to keep this silly crap up without going on the record, you better meet out back after school or I’ll tell everyone you’re a big wuss.

  • ivan

    sarah68 @ 23:

    Just because your standards for what constitute journmalism are in the shitter and your credibility on most subjects is a big fat ZERO doesn’t mean the rest of us have to play along. Just because you jump to kiss Josh’s ass every time he posts a piece of shit like this doesn’t mean the rest of us share your nonexistent standards.

    This is gossip at the barbershop or at the beauty parlor, repeated over back fences or on party lines. This kind of shit has always been with us — only the means of delivery have changed.

    I comment on this not to recognize it as “news,” but to defend my own standards, which I certainly am entitled to. I don’t ask you to share them — I don’t think you have the mental capacity to understand them — but quit pretending that you HAVE standards, because it’s clear that you don’t. You like this stuff because it feeds into your agenda.

    Josh is an irredeemable little worm who will keep polluting the discourse by passing this shit off as legitimate news, as long as ignorant, gullbile fools like you enable it.

  • stacy, stacey, stacie

    The account in Fizz item #1 seems truthful and well sourced. Tina Podlodowski was present and named in the interview and PubliCola talked to other people present to get the story. @20 “tr’s” account also supports the PubliCola reported account.

    I personally have seen both candidates ‘teary-eyed’ at different times during this race. Publicly demonstrating deep emotion is in my mind a positive and both Mcginn & Mallahan deserve credit for doing so.

    To @13 and others who want to keep repeating this trash, please grow up. This is the race for Seattle Mayor, not Junior High.

    If you want to keep this silly crap up without going on the record, you better meet out back after school or I’ll tell everyone you’re a big wuss.

  • ivan

    sarah68 @ 23:

    Just because your standards for what constitute journmalism are in the shitter and your credibility on most subjects is a big fat ZERO doesn’t mean the rest of us have to play along. Just because you jump to kiss Josh’s ass every time he posts a piece of shit like this doesn’t mean the rest of us share your nonexistent standards.

    This is gossip at the barbershop or at the beauty parlor, repeated over back fences or on party lines. This kind of shit has always been with us — only the means of delivery have changed.

    I comment on this not to recognize it as “news,” but to defend my own standards, which I certainly am entitled to. I don’t ask you to share them — I don’t think you have the mental capacity to understand them — but quit pretending that you HAVE standards, because it’s clear that you don’t. You like this stuff because it feeds into your agenda.

    Josh is an irredeemable little worm who will keep polluting the discourse by passing this shit off as legitimate news, as long as ignorant, gullbile fools like you enable it.

  • teary eyed or melt down

    gee tr, how passive agressive, you “deny” a rumor with anonymous post citing “another person running around spreading gossip.”

    this is all sooooo seattle.

    hey folks who were there: come forward and be named.

    the other day a blog said joe was snooty when he made a joke about “cmon I’m your next mayor”; now the typical seattle passive aggressive whispering campaign…. is turning his being teary eyed perhaps recounting his recently deceased mother into an emotional breakdown. well to lots of scandinavians being teary eyed IS an emotional breakdown and signals a mental health problem, while to irish it’s all in a day’s journey thru life.

    what was in fact this meltdown, what did it consist of other than being teary eyed?

    ronald reagan was teary eyed.

  • teary eyed or melt down

    gee tr, how passive agressive, you “deny” a rumor with anonymous post citing “another person running around spreading gossip.”

    this is all sooooo seattle.

    hey folks who were there: come forward and be named.

    the other day a blog said joe was snooty when he made a joke about “cmon I’m your next mayor”; now the typical seattle passive aggressive whispering campaign…. is turning his being teary eyed perhaps recounting his recently deceased mother into an emotional breakdown. well to lots of scandinavians being teary eyed IS an emotional breakdown and signals a mental health problem, while to irish it’s all in a day’s journey thru life.

    what was in fact this meltdown, what did it consist of other than being teary eyed?

    ronald reagan was teary eyed.

  • Trevor

    @23: as I said, I’m not as harsh as Ivan.

    But that said, rumor and intrigue have always been part of politics, no matter what the scale. The question is how journalists– whether on blogs or on newspapers, on TV or radio– respond to rumor. Just because it’s the 21st century doesn’t mean that journalists should just reprint what they’re told by some political partisan.

    Myself, I read this blog for the reporting that Josh and Erica do– and they do a lot of it. And I read it for the informed comments, which are rarely totally anonymous.

    I don’t read publicola to get the latest malicious unsubstantiated gossip– whether posted by reporters or in the blog comments. The bad blog comments will always be with us, though I prefer a registration system of some kind. But it’s not polyannaish to call for higher standards from experienced journalists to raise more substantive issues than who had the best press release and whether or not Mallahan got weepy while talking about homeless youth.

  • Michael M.

    @ people who think that Publicola is being biased – I think everyone knows where Josh and Erica stand in the Mayor’s race. Be that as it is, I’ve found them to be pretty damn tough on both candidates.

    And Ivan needs a hug…Josh, care to volunteer? ;-)

  • Trevor

    @23: as I said, I’m not as harsh as Ivan.

    But that said, rumor and intrigue have always been part of politics, no matter what the scale. The question is how journalists– whether on blogs or on newspapers, on TV or radio– respond to rumor. Just because it’s the 21st century doesn’t mean that journalists should just reprint what they’re told by some political partisan.

    Myself, I read this blog for the reporting that Josh and Erica do– and they do a lot of it. And I read it for the informed comments, which are rarely totally anonymous.

    I don’t read publicola to get the latest malicious unsubstantiated gossip– whether posted by reporters or in the blog comments. The bad blog comments will always be with us, though I prefer a registration system of some kind. But it’s not polyannaish to call for higher standards from experienced journalists to raise more substantive issues than who had the best press release and whether or not Mallahan got weepy while talking about homeless youth.

  • Michael M.

    @ people who think that Publicola is being biased – I think everyone knows where Josh and Erica stand in the Mayor’s race. Be that as it is, I’ve found them to be pretty damn tough on both candidates.

    And Ivan needs a hug…Josh, care to volunteer? ;-)

  • Eff Off

    What the hell is up with all of the vitriol from the anti-Mallahan crowd? Do you realize that you’re not winning anybody over by posting garbage like that?

    Publicola ought to figure the names of the people who spread these types of vicious lies (ex; #13) and expose them.

  • Eff Off

    What the hell is up with all of the vitriol from the anti-Mallahan crowd? Do you realize that you’re not winning anybody over by posting garbage like that?

    Publicola ought to figure the names of the people who spread these types of vicious lies (ex; #13) and expose them.

  • whoa

    hey look, people were there, they saw what they saw, and it’s worth talking about.

    Mallahan wasn’t just “tearied eyed”. This is just spin from the, I have to admit, very good PR person who came up with this spin and put the event on in the first place

    What Mallahan did was admit he didn’t know the answers and is in over his head, and sobbed.

    Believe it or not. It happened. This guy shouldn’t be mayor.

    Personally, I wish Nickels had made it through, but we have what we have, and one of the candidates is buckling under the pressure. Do what you want with that info.

  • whoa

    hey look, people were there, they saw what they saw, and it’s worth talking about.

    Mallahan wasn’t just “tearied eyed”. This is just spin from the, I have to admit, very good PR person who came up with this spin and put the event on in the first place

    What Mallahan did was admit he didn’t know the answers and is in over his head, and sobbed.

    Believe it or not. It happened. This guy shouldn’t be mayor.

    Personally, I wish Nickels had made it through, but we have what we have, and one of the candidates is buckling under the pressure. Do what you want with that info.

  • stacy, stacey, stacie

    @32

    So whoa, We’re you there?

  • stacy, stacey, stacie

    @32

    So whoa, We’re you there?

  • Lie To Me

    @whoa, The fact you offer no real details, just superficial statements, indicates to me that you are LYING. It’s a textbook indicator.

  • Lie To Me

    @whoa, The fact you offer no real details, just superficial statements, indicates to me that you are LYING. It’s a textbook indicator.

  • Marsh

    @9 From people like me refreshing the page all day.

  • Marsh

    @9 From people like me refreshing the page all day.

  • Dorsol Plants

    @32

    I would recommend whoever was there might want to just start using there real name. If you did we would stop this thread from reaching 70+ posts of people calling Josh a liar….funny how that works.

  • Dorsol Plants

    @32

    I would recommend whoever was there might want to just start using there real name. If you did we would stop this thread from reaching 70+ posts of people calling Josh a liar….funny how that works.

  • Michael M.

    @35 – LOL

    @36 – but who doesn’t love 70+ posts of trash talking? This is the interwebs, after all.

  • Michael M.

    @35 – LOL

    @36 – but who doesn’t love 70+ posts of trash talking? This is the interwebs, after all.

  • Pete

    @36

    I don’t think anyone is calling Josh a liar. My problem with Josh is that he printed a rumor that “Joe Mallahan got defensive under tough questioning and started crying” but his own reporting did not corroborate the rumor. He could have written the piece without the rumor and I would have been fine with it. Instead, he gave life to story that he could not verify. That’s just wrong.

  • Pete

    @36

    I don’t think anyone is calling Josh a liar. My problem with Josh is that he printed a rumor that “Joe Mallahan got defensive under tough questioning and started crying” but his own reporting did not corroborate the rumor. He could have written the piece without the rumor and I would have been fine with it. Instead, he gave life to story that he could not verify. That’s just wrong.

  • Dean Willard

    I was not at Denny Post’s home for the gathering in question, but I think the Josh’s story in item #1 is the more credible recounting of events. We generally accept the authenticity of a journalist’s unnamed sources. He talked to two unnamed people that were present at the event and talked to a named campaign person that was also in attendance.

    Whoa’s anonymous posts about what other “people saw” lacks credibility. Who saw these things? What are their names? Who is whoa? Why should we put any credence into whoa’s version of the story?

  • Dean Willard

    I was not at Denny Post’s home for the gathering in question, but I think the Josh’s story in item #1 is the more credible recounting of events. We generally accept the authenticity of a journalist’s unnamed sources. He talked to two unnamed people that were present at the event and talked to a named campaign person that was also in attendance.

    Whoa’s anonymous posts about what other “people saw” lacks credibility. Who saw these things? What are their names? Who is whoa? Why should we put any credence into whoa’s version of the story?

  • hmmmmindeed

    I have heard this story denied several ways, sort of similarly, but differently enough that the denials sound more like mis-communicated talking points than plausible truth. Tina P’s soft denial – “that’s not quite how I remember it” is so soft, it certainly lends some credibility to there idea that something worse than ‘tearing up’ occurred.

  • hmmmmindeed

    I have heard this story denied several ways, sort of similarly, but differently enough that the denials sound more like mis-communicated talking points than plausible truth. Tina P’s soft denial – “that’s not quite how I remember it” is so soft, it certainly lends some credibility to there idea that something worse than ‘tearing up’ occurred.

  • Dean Willard

    @40 hmmmmindeed

    So what?

    The salacious version ‘whoa’ and others are telling includes suggested conclusions we should draw about the race and the candidate.

    IMHO, We shouldn’t consider this as another more than rank rumor mongering that all principled voters should simply ignore.

    I’m posting these comments under my own name and challenge others who have something to say to do the same. Come out of the shadows and be counted if you expect your views to be taken seriously.

  • Dean Willard

    @40 hmmmmindeed

    So what?

    The salacious version ‘whoa’ and others are telling includes suggested conclusions we should draw about the race and the candidate.

    IMHO, We shouldn’t consider this as another more than rank rumor mongering that all principled voters should simply ignore.

    I’m posting these comments under my own name and challenge others who have something to say to do the same. Come out of the shadows and be counted if you expect your views to be taken seriously.

  • Dean Willard

    sorry. another = ‘anything’ more

    I would love the chance to edit my own stuff Josh after posting. :-)

  • Dean Willard

    sorry. another = ‘anything’ more

    I would love the chance to edit my own stuff Josh after posting. :-)

  • Chris Stefan

    On the other hand if “whoa” @13 and @32 is even remotely correct that is pretty big news and would tell me Mr. Mallahan in no way should be Mayor.

    That said, at this point I’m willing to give Mallahan the benefit of the doubt and chalk this up to rumor. If true, I’m really hoping someone credible will go on record or someone has video, audio, or photos.

  • Chris Stefan

    On the other hand if “whoa” @13 and @32 is even remotely correct that is pretty big news and would tell me Mr. Mallahan in no way should be Mayor.

    That said, at this point I’m willing to give Mallahan the benefit of the doubt and chalk this up to rumor. If true, I’m really hoping someone credible will go on record or someone has video, audio, or photos.

  • sarah68

    What concerns me is not Publicola’s level of journalistic integrity. I’m reading Publicola voluntarily, for free, and I don’t feel like I have any right to demand specific things from a source that doesn’t demand anything from me. I complained for 8 years during the Bush Administration; I just can’t get up any outrage against Josh, Erica, etc. If I didn’t like it, I wouldn’t read it.

    What DOES just stun me is the depth of nastiness of personal derogatory comments made by posters–several in particular–to other posters and to Josh. Those comments include charges that our nonexistent standards are in the shitter, our credibility is zero, we kiss XX’s ass, we have deficient mental capacity, Josh is an irredeemible little worm, and we’re ignorant guillible foods.

    We’ll survive those comments. They’re both stupid and funny. But someone who makes them should not criticize others’ journalistic level. Comments on a blog are part of today’s journalism. You are what you’re criticizing.

  • sarah68

    What concerns me is not Publicola’s level of journalistic integrity. I’m reading Publicola voluntarily, for free, and I don’t feel like I have any right to demand specific things from a source that doesn’t demand anything from me. I complained for 8 years during the Bush Administration; I just can’t get up any outrage against Josh, Erica, etc. If I didn’t like it, I wouldn’t read it.

    What DOES just stun me is the depth of nastiness of personal derogatory comments made by posters–several in particular–to other posters and to Josh. Those comments include charges that our nonexistent standards are in the shitter, our credibility is zero, we kiss XX’s ass, we have deficient mental capacity, Josh is an irredeemible little worm, and we’re ignorant guillible foods.

    We’ll survive those comments. They’re both stupid and funny. But someone who makes them should not criticize others’ journalistic level. Comments on a blog are part of today’s journalism. You are what you’re criticizing.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    sarah68 @44,

    We have tried to establish a more even-keeled tone in the comments than you find on other blogs … without being schoolmarms about it.

    We actually monitor comments and so, you’re not seeing the really nasty ones.

    I’d prefer that people didn’t resort to all the weird name calling and off topic put downs, but I’m liking the energy of the debates.

    It’s tricky to keep out the juvenile stuff. But we’ll keep trying.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    sarah68 @44,

    We have tried to establish a more even-keeled tone in the comments than you find on other blogs … without being schoolmarms about it.

    We actually monitor comments and so, you’re not seeing the really nasty ones.

    I’d prefer that people didn’t resort to all the weird name calling and off topic put downs, but I’m liking the energy of the debates.

    It’s tricky to keep out the juvenile stuff. But we’ll keep trying.

  • ivan

    @ 44, @ 45:

    I stand behind every comment I make around here. There is no defense for repeating unsupported, anonymous rumors alongside of actual reporting. It lends a false equivalence to them.

    When it’s done willfully — not inadvertently — it’s worse yet. It debases and trivializes the actual reporting that gets done here. Some of it is legitimately good and does have value.

    But for commenters to defend such rumor-mongering, and to try to pass it off as some kind of “new journalism” and to justify it by saying “Cronkite is dead” or something to that effect, is so fraudulent that it evokes a harsh response, for which I make no apology. I’ll attack it wherever I see it, at the New York Times or on Publicola.

    I’m not asking anybody to agree with me, or to like my style. I’m just another schmuck on the street, and if I’m not earning credibility with some of you, then that’s just the way it goes. But those are my opinions, and I’m sticking to them.

  • ivan

    @ 44, @ 45:

    I stand behind every comment I make around here. There is no defense for repeating unsupported, anonymous rumors alongside of actual reporting. It lends a false equivalence to them.

    When it’s done willfully — not inadvertently — it’s worse yet. It debases and trivializes the actual reporting that gets done here. Some of it is legitimately good and does have value.

    But for commenters to defend such rumor-mongering, and to try to pass it off as some kind of “new journalism” and to justify it by saying “Cronkite is dead” or something to that effect, is so fraudulent that it evokes a harsh response, for which I make no apology. I’ll attack it wherever I see it, at the New York Times or on Publicola.

    I’m not asking anybody to agree with me, or to like my style. I’m just another schmuck on the street, and if I’m not earning credibility with some of you, then that’s just the way it goes. But those are my opinions, and I’m sticking to them.

  • That’s what she said

    Of course he IS in way over his head. If McGinn were being honest he’d break down and admit the same thing. Can we get back to talking about how if we get a county exec that doesn’t know shit either, we’ll just be totally fucked?

  • That’s what she said

    Of course he IS in way over his head. If McGinn were being honest he’d break down and admit the same thing. Can we get back to talking about how if we get a county exec that doesn’t know shit either, we’ll just be totally fucked?

  • Christi S.

    @1 Professional robo-poll! Talked to several peeps that got it.