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Seattle Times Unfamiliar with Concept of Civil Disobedience

The Seattle Times editorializes today against SHARE/WHEEL’s strategy of sleeping out in front of elected officials’ homes to protest the city’s refusal to provide the groups with $50,000 for bus passes to get to shelters. (We’ve covered it here and here, but the Seattle PostGlobe has been doing the best coverage with on-the-ground updates.) Calling the campouts an “overwrought and unhelpful” tactic “verging on extortion,” the Times’ editorial board hyperventilates:

What’s next, camping out in front of restaurants until free meals are served?

Better question: What’s next, sitting at the front of the bus until the city of Montgomery city hall says you’re allowed to? SHARE/WHEEL is protesting what it sees as a denial of a basic human service by the city—a city policy supported and promoted by city officials. As the officials behind that policy, the mayor and city council members are just as legitimate targets of SHARE/WHEEL’s civil disobedience as the segregated bus systems of the Jim Crow South. (Different magnitude, obviously, but same conceit.)

And note that the homeless advocacy groups’ protests have been not only legal but organized and orderly—by all accounts, the only disruption that’s resulted from their protests has been because of Mayor Greg Nickels’ decision to call out six police cruisers to keep an eye on the protesters at his house. (And, for what it’s worth, Burgess told me he was impressed by the orderly nature of the protest and the fact that protesters left the sidewalk “spotless” in the morning.)

Is camping out in front of officials’ houses the most effective long-term strategy? Maybe not. It’s possible that, as the Times opines, such tactics even distract from “constructive long-term solutions to end homelessness,” like the Seattle Housing Levy that’s on the ballot this year.

The thing is, though, SHARE/WHEEL isn’t in the business of promoting the housing levy. They support short-term solutions to the immediate crisis of homelessness, like shelters and tent cities. Unless you’re naive enough to believe that “ending homelessness” is a realistic goal, shelters and tent cities, or something like them, will have to be part of the long-term equation too.

And—more to the point—that’s their right whether the political advisers at the Seattle Times thinks it’s worthy or not.  Just as the Constitution grants Frank Blethen the right to publish editorials against taxes on rich families, it also gives homeless people the right to congregate on a public sidewalk. Even—perhaps especially—when that congregation “embarrasses” elected officials into doing the right thing.


  • Mikos

    They should sleep in front of Blethen’s place. I’m sure frank got rid of his pellet gun years ago. Plus, he may see somebody he knows. There has to be a couple of former editorial writers among the homeless.

  • Mikos

    They should sleep in front of Blethen’s place. I’m sure frank got rid of his pellet gun years ago. Plus, he may see somebody he knows. There has to be a couple of former editorial writers among the homeless.

  • Fed Up

    You’re just wrong, Erica. Escalating the protest to the homes of the electeds is just a dumb tactic. It pretty much forces Mayor and Council to say “no” again, lest every group with needs be encouraged to do the same thing.

    They’ll be lucky if they don’t get cut off entirely. There are plenty of other homeless services groups that could put SHARE’s $300k to good use with less ruckus for all involved.

  • Fed Up

    You’re just wrong, Erica. Escalating the protest to the homes of the electeds is just a dumb tactic. It pretty much forces Mayor and Council to say “no” again, lest every group with needs be encouraged to do the same thing.

    They’ll be lucky if they don’t get cut off entirely. There are plenty of other homeless services groups that could put SHARE’s $300k to good use with less ruckus for all involved.

  • sarah68

    This afternoon at Nickelsville, 12 people were arrested for refusing to leave the property when the Port cops told them they had to. Number of cops who marched onto the park, two by two, to face these dangerous renegades: 49. 49 cops. By the time all those cops got there, many people have moved to the outside of the police line, so the Port was aware of how few people “needed” arrest. One of those arrested was longtime advocate Dorli Rainey, who is in her 80s and all of about 5′ tall. I believe two cops accompanied her to the police vehicle. The cops did a catch-and-release; people were taken to another site and let go. What the purpose of that charade was, who knows.

    Nickleodeons will be allowed to stay for one week at Rev. Pete Strimer’s church. Then who knows. The smooth, well-groomed Port spokesman said that it was unfortunate that nothing could be worked out, although all parties had really tried hard. He sounded as though he believed what he was saying, or perhaps he was just a good actor.

    So the people left the latest site of Nickelsville, and that site will again be host to birds and insects and falling leaves from the many trees. There seems to be no other real use for it. I doubt if any of the Port executives and board members go down there much; they have houses and yards of their own. But apparently it was just too precious to allow homeless people to stay there.

  • sarah68

    This afternoon at Nickelsville, 12 people were arrested for refusing to leave the property when the Port cops told them they had to. Number of cops who marched onto the park, two by two, to face these dangerous renegades: 49. 49 cops. By the time all those cops got there, many people have moved to the outside of the police line, so the Port was aware of how few people “needed” arrest. One of those arrested was longtime advocate Dorli Rainey, who is in her 80s and all of about 5′ tall. I believe two cops accompanied her to the police vehicle. The cops did a catch-and-release; people were taken to another site and let go. What the purpose of that charade was, who knows.

    Nickleodeons will be allowed to stay for one week at Rev. Pete Strimer’s church. Then who knows. The smooth, well-groomed Port spokesman said that it was unfortunate that nothing could be worked out, although all parties had really tried hard. He sounded as though he believed what he was saying, or perhaps he was just a good actor.

    So the people left the latest site of Nickelsville, and that site will again be host to birds and insects and falling leaves from the many trees. There seems to be no other real use for it. I doubt if any of the Port executives and board members go down there much; they have houses and yards of their own. But apparently it was just too precious to allow homeless people to stay there.

  • hmmmm

    The Seattle Times is not ignorant of Civil Disobedience. They don’t like it. The Blethens’ have never liked it. They don’t feel it is ever appropruate because it challenges the vested interests of theior advertisers (what is left of them) directly; not to mention they are total ideologues.

    @2: You’re right. We should never shame our politicians into doing the right thing. We have seen how effective not doing so is with Obama and his so-called health care reform and his reform of the financial industry. Go back to your mansion on the hill, please.

  • hmmmm

    The Seattle Times is not ignorant of Civil Disobedience. They don’t like it. The Blethens’ have never liked it. They don’t feel it is ever appropruate because it challenges the vested interests of theior advertisers (what is left of them) directly; not to mention they are total ideologues.

    @2: You’re right. We should never shame our politicians into doing the right thing. We have seen how effective not doing so is with Obama and his so-called health care reform and his reform of the financial industry. Go back to your mansion on the hill, please.

  • Broad minded

    it’s their right.

    Dori munson was nearly hysterical today suggesting this is extortion and claiming this pulls in wives and children of spouses. Children!

    Funny how funny it is to some people to have other people:

    -go in public on public streets
    –make a public statement
    –and yes go nearby councilmembers’ homes which are adjoining public property and which are right there, in public.

  • Broad minded

    it’s their right.

    Dori munson was nearly hysterical today suggesting this is extortion and claiming this pulls in wives and children of spouses. Children!

    Funny how funny it is to some people to have other people:

    -go in public on public streets
    –make a public statement
    –and yes go nearby councilmembers’ homes which are adjoining public property and which are right there, in public.

  • Michael M.

    My understanding is that the city offered an advance of $50k, and that it was declined because SHARE/WHEEL did not like the string attached (keeping their shelter open through the end of this year).

    I’ve read that there are plenty of out of state people who are part of the protest – traveling from across the country to take advantage of our City trying to help out the homeless…I want to know why we are expected to foot the bill for the homeless from across the nation. Should we really be creating a homelessness Mecca in Seattle? Is that in our best interest?

  • Michael M.

    My understanding is that the city offered an advance of $50k, and that it was declined because SHARE/WHEEL did not like the string attached (keeping their shelter open through the end of this year).

    I’ve read that there are plenty of out of state people who are part of the protest – traveling from across the country to take advantage of our City trying to help out the homeless…I want to know why we are expected to foot the bill for the homeless from across the nation. Should we really be creating a homelessness Mecca in Seattle? Is that in our best interest?

  • Fed Up

    I don’t live in a mansion on the hill. I live in a townhouse in a valley. You know, it’s possible to support services for the homeless while still thinking SHARE’s tactics are dumb.

  • Fed Up

    I don’t live in a mansion on the hill. I live in a townhouse in a valley. You know, it’s possible to support services for the homeless while still thinking SHARE’s tactics are dumb.

  • LH

    In 2004, Council Staff compared the nightly bed night cost of different shelters in Seattle. SHARE bed
    night costs were $2.53 a bed night, half the second lowest provider’s cost (one with a similar style to SHARE of simple shelter). Other shelters cost 5 times as much per bed night ($14.53.) ‘Wrap around’ services shelters – like Hammond House – cost $24.69 per bed night.

    Under SHARE’s current funding, $310,000/year, that works out to be about 122,530 bed nights a year, or 336 people sheltered every night by SHARE.

    This means that SHARE is funding a much greater number of homeless people at a much lower cost. If – as some suggest here – the City were to eliminate SHARE’s funding, it would instead cost the City twice as much, about $620,000, as the City pays SHARE to pay the shelter that is most similar to SHARE in services and costs to shelter the same 336 or so people.

  • LH

    In 2004, Council Staff compared the nightly bed night cost of different shelters in Seattle. SHARE bed
    night costs were $2.53 a bed night, half the second lowest provider’s cost (one with a similar style to SHARE of simple shelter). Other shelters cost 5 times as much per bed night ($14.53.) ‘Wrap around’ services shelters – like Hammond House – cost $24.69 per bed night.

    Under SHARE’s current funding, $310,000/year, that works out to be about 122,530 bed nights a year, or 336 people sheltered every night by SHARE.

    This means that SHARE is funding a much greater number of homeless people at a much lower cost. If – as some suggest here – the City were to eliminate SHARE’s funding, it would instead cost the City twice as much, about $620,000, as the City pays SHARE to pay the shelter that is most similar to SHARE in services and costs to shelter the same 336 or so people.

  • Mmkos

    Yea, they don’t have me convinced… why aren’t they protesting the state or county for more $ ? Seattle gives way more than they do to my understanding. i think SHARES ‘outrage’ is very misplaced.

  • Mmkos

    Yea, they don’t have me convinced… why aren’t they protesting the state or county for more $ ? Seattle gives way more than they do to my understanding. i think SHARES ‘outrage’ is very misplaced.

  • hmmmm

    @7: Just donate your 50 dollars and you are absolved of your guilt. Why didn’t I think of that?

  • hmmmm

    @7: Just donate your 50 dollars and you are absolved of your guilt. Why didn’t I think of that?

  • Fed Up

    It’s fascinating, hmmmm, how you keep misreading me. Why should I feel the slightest guilt at the fact that other people have problems, up to and including homelessness? I may feel compassion. I may even act on that compassion by supporting public policy that gives help to people in trouble. But guilt? No way. I’ll save that for people I’ve directly wronged.

    What’s the source of your guilt?

  • seabos84

    well, the mouth breathing dunces who ‘read’ the seattle times for ‘news’ are too beholden to their ‘free’ market phantasies to realize how much Boeing and Microsoft EXTORT from us every hour we work – soooooooooooooo…

    the idiocy of their editorial should … make sense!

    what kind of other stupid things might the sheepe think of … thousands of screwed over wamu employees, stockholders and customers sleeping on the front yard of teh scum bags who RUINED the company AND enriched themselves …

    WAIT! isn’t American Dancing Idol on? I better use my credit limit up before they cancel my card!

    rmm.

  • Fed Up

    It’s fascinating, hmmmm, how you keep misreading me. Why should I feel the slightest guilt at the fact that other people have problems, up to and including homelessness? I may feel compassion. I may even act on that compassion by supporting public policy that gives help to people in trouble. But guilt? No way. I’ll save that for people I’ve directly wronged.

    What’s the source of your guilt?

  • seabos84

    well, the mouth breathing dunces who ‘read’ the seattle times for ‘news’ are too beholden to their ‘free’ market phantasies to realize how much Boeing and Microsoft EXTORT from us every hour we work – soooooooooooooo…

    the idiocy of their editorial should … make sense!

    what kind of other stupid things might the sheepe think of … thousands of screwed over wamu employees, stockholders and customers sleeping on the front yard of teh scum bags who RUINED the company AND enriched themselves …

    WAIT! isn’t American Dancing Idol on? I better use my credit limit up before they cancel my card!

    rmm.

  • hmmmm

    @11: no guilt, just calling bullshit where I see it.

  • hmmmm

    @11: no guilt, just calling bullshit where I see it.

  • seabos84

    LOMG!! I forgot that they changed that DUMB amendment since our fascist string pullers started calling the shots —

    “or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,…”

    who cares about redressing grievances, since the ONLY grievances that count are the complaints of the rich about the services of their serfs!

    Dumb we are!

    rmm.

  • seabos84

    LOMG!! I forgot that they changed that DUMB amendment since our fascist string pullers started calling the shots —

    “or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,…”

    who cares about redressing grievances, since the ONLY grievances that count are the complaints of the rich about the services of their serfs!

    Dumb we are!

    rmm.

  • Fed Up

    Likewise, hmmmmm. Likewise.

    And seabos84, I never questioned anyone’s right to speak or assemble. People always leap to the 1st Amendment in the most knee-jerk of ways. I questioned the wisdom and propriety of speaking and assembling in this manner. They can speak. I can speak and call their speech dumb and counterproductive. Hooray for speech! I am not a fascist.

    Redress grievances all day long if you like. At City Hall where the policy is made. Going to people’s homes is crossing a line, and for the reasons I stated earlier, ultimately counterproductive.

  • Fed Up

    Likewise, hmmmmm. Likewise.

    And seabos84, I never questioned anyone’s right to speak or assemble. People always leap to the 1st Amendment in the most knee-jerk of ways. I questioned the wisdom and propriety of speaking and assembling in this manner. They can speak. I can speak and call their speech dumb and counterproductive. Hooray for speech! I am not a fascist.

    Redress grievances all day long if you like. At City Hall where the policy is made. Going to people’s homes is crossing a line, and for the reasons I stated earlier, ultimately counterproductive.

  • http://Www.yesforhomes.org/ Anna M

    Whatever you think about SHARE, we all have an opportunity to continue our committment to protecting the most vulnerable, elderly, disabled, domestic violence victims and the working poor by Voting YES on Prop 1 to continue the low-income Housing Levy.

    this program has a strong track record of providing a safety net to PREVENT homelessness as well as getting people off the streets. The Housing Levy also helps families stay in their home if they get sick or have an emergency.

  • http://Www.yesforhomes.org Anna M

    Whatever you think about SHARE, we all have an opportunity to continue our committment to protecting the most vulnerable, elderly, disabled, domestic violence victims and the working poor by Voting YES on Prop 1 to continue the low-income Housing Levy.

    this program has a strong track record of providing a safety net to PREVENT homelessness as well as getting people off the streets. The Housing Levy also helps families stay in their home if they get sick or have an emergency.

  • Trevor

    Here’s what I don’t get: why would it be so terrible, so impossible, to do what Portland has already done (at Dignity Village), and allow a permanent space where homeless people can live free of police harassment and punitive shelter rules? Why waste so many SPD/ DPD resources, and create such needless animosity, by forcing a few dozen homeless people to move all over the city every couple weeks?

    I mean, I know Nickels would never deal with an encampment that called itself Nickelsville, let alone even utter the phrase (he earned it from the his needless sweeps). But Nickels is on the way out. The City talks about a 10 year plan to end homelessness, but it can’t even give tent-city a permanent home in its almost 15 years of existence. Can’t the City Council finally step up on this?

  • Trevor

    Here’s what I don’t get: why would it be so terrible, so impossible, to do what Portland has already done (at Dignity Village), and allow a permanent space where homeless people can live free of police harassment and punitive shelter rules? Why waste so many SPD/ DPD resources, and create such needless animosity, by forcing a few dozen homeless people to move all over the city every couple weeks?

    I mean, I know Nickels would never deal with an encampment that called itself Nickelsville, let alone even utter the phrase (he earned it from the his needless sweeps). But Nickels is on the way out. The City talks about a 10 year plan to end homelessness, but it can’t even give tent-city a permanent home in its almost 15 years of existence. Can’t the City Council finally step up on this?

  • sarah68

    Trevor: It depends on what kind of City Council we have after the election.

    @6: I’m not sure where you’re reading that people come from clear across the nation for a SHARE protest, but if you believe it, you’re crazy. Why on earth would anyone do that? Do you know how much it costs to travel cross-country? They’ve got homeless people in their cities, too; they don’t need to come here. There are homeless people EVERYWHERE. You don’t need to travel to see them or help them.

    It’s kind of amazing to me that all that many people can see in this situation is the inappropriateness of SHARE. Are you actually trying to avoid what’s right in front of you? SHARE didn’t invent these people. They actually exist. I’ve seen them, and talked with them about how they got homeless. They’d really rather not sleep outside or in tents. Just as you wouldn’t.

  • sarah68

    Trevor: It depends on what kind of City Council we have after the election.

    @6: I’m not sure where you’re reading that people come from clear across the nation for a SHARE protest, but if you believe it, you’re crazy. Why on earth would anyone do that? Do you know how much it costs to travel cross-country? They’ve got homeless people in their cities, too; they don’t need to come here. There are homeless people EVERYWHERE. You don’t need to travel to see them or help them.

    It’s kind of amazing to me that all that many people can see in this situation is the inappropriateness of SHARE. Are you actually trying to avoid what’s right in front of you? SHARE didn’t invent these people. They actually exist. I’ve seen them, and talked with them about how they got homeless. They’d really rather not sleep outside or in tents. Just as you wouldn’t.

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/1522367.html Gomez

    Dignity Village is a neat template for a formal homeless encampment, Trevor. A couple questions come to mind.

    Seattle would have to sacrifice a plot of land. Where will that be?

    And someone would have to pony up for code complaint housing on the plot, which Portland 501c3 City Repair Project footed the bill for. Who in Seattle is willing to pay for the proper facilities? The City’s not going to spend the money when they’re facing a budget shortfall, even if it’s a relative drop in the bucket to its other expenditures.

    Not that I don’t support the idea. I actually do. Can it happen given the situation in Seattle, however? And with the current teeming homeless population, how much of a dent does it make with the current homeless population?

  • http://gomezticator.livejournal.com/1522367.html Gomez

    Dignity Village is a neat template for a formal homeless encampment, Trevor. A couple questions come to mind.

    Seattle would have to sacrifice a plot of land. Where will that be?

    And someone would have to pony up for code complaint housing on the plot, which Portland 501c3 City Repair Project footed the bill for. Who in Seattle is willing to pay for the proper facilities? The City’s not going to spend the money when they’re facing a budget shortfall, even if it’s a relative drop in the bucket to its other expenditures.

    Not that I don’t support the idea. I actually do. Can it happen given the situation in Seattle, however? And with the current teeming homeless population, how much of a dent does it make with the current homeless population?

  • Trevor

    Give them the permit first. You probably need public land, but might not. Then give them a reasonable deadline to build something sanitary that is better than tents, and isn’t going to fall apart or burst into flames. See what happens. You may be surprised by the combination of private donations and mutual aid in pulling something real together with few government funds.

    Will it solve homelessness? No. Will it ameliorate it? Yes. And it could improve the city’s partnership with SHARE/WHEEL. That was what Nickelsville originally demanded, before it got caught up in hit and run camp outs forced onto it by punitive government evictions.

  • Trevor

    Give them the permit first. You probably need public land, but might not. Then give them a reasonable deadline to build something sanitary that is better than tents, and isn’t going to fall apart or burst into flames. See what happens. You may be surprised by the combination of private donations and mutual aid in pulling something real together with few government funds.

    Will it solve homelessness? No. Will it ameliorate it? Yes. And it could improve the city’s partnership with SHARE/WHEEL. That was what Nickelsville originally demanded, before it got caught up in hit and run camp outs forced onto it by punitive government evictions.

  • sarah68

    As Trevor says, if they got land, the community would bring wood and nails and whatever necessary. After watching these people plodding around to different sites, it would be a pleasure to see them make something for themselves.

    We’re 4.5 years into the 10-year Plan. We have less net low-income units than we had in 2005. We need roofs of whatever kind that can be built.

  • sarah68

    As Trevor says, if they got land, the community would bring wood and nails and whatever necessary. After watching these people plodding around to different sites, it would be a pleasure to see them make something for themselves.

    We’re 4.5 years into the 10-year Plan. We have less net low-income units than we had in 2005. We need roofs of whatever kind that can be built.

  • rm

    I wish publicola had a like button–or that I wasn’t too tired to delve in to this debate. Good job erica.

  • rm

    I wish publicola had a like button–or that I wasn’t too tired to delve in to this debate. Good job erica.

  • sorrytony

    Good discussion and thank you Erica for several important points. One correction though. You note that the sleep out is legal (perhaps we should say that the City Attorney hasn’t yet figured out a way to say it is illegal). Legal direct action is not “civil disobedience.” It is just direct action. Civil disobedience is the violation of law in order to communicate a political position.

    We are almost at a point where ANY direct political action (putting bodies on the line) is viewed by most people as tantamount to illegal activity. But it isn’t, and here, you recognize the legality of the protest. So … it’s not civil disobedience.

  • sorrytony

    Good discussion and thank you Erica for several important points. One correction though. You note that the sleep out is legal (perhaps we should say that the City Attorney hasn’t yet figured out a way to say it is illegal). Legal direct action is not “civil disobedience.” It is just direct action. Civil disobedience is the violation of law in order to communicate a political position.

    We are almost at a point where ANY direct political action (putting bodies on the line) is viewed by most people as tantamount to illegal activity. But it isn’t, and here, you recognize the legality of the protest. So … it’s not civil disobedience.

  • Michael M.

    @ 18 – I’m talking about the homeless problem in Seattle in general. While I wholeheartedly support doing what we can to help the homeless that are here, there must be some balance done to not encourage more to migrate here to take advantage of our services. Encouraging non-taxpaying individuals to make a trek to Seattle because they know we’ll provide beds and food, paid for by our local government, is not a sustainable way to address homelessness.

    With respect to the idea of setting aside a plot to avoid the “restrictive” rules of shelters – there still needs to be rules. Having people coming and going at all hours of the night (unless they have jobs at that time, of course) is not a good idea. Allowing people to be piss drunk is not a good idea. Any drug use is not a good idea. I’m not saying that the homeless who live in camps fall into any or all of these, but rules are a good thing.

  • Michael M.

    @ 18 – I’m talking about the homeless problem in Seattle in general. While I wholeheartedly support doing what we can to help the homeless that are here, there must be some balance done to not encourage more to migrate here to take advantage of our services. Encouraging non-taxpaying individuals to make a trek to Seattle because they know we’ll provide beds and food, paid for by our local government, is not a sustainable way to address homelessness.

    With respect to the idea of setting aside a plot to avoid the “restrictive” rules of shelters – there still needs to be rules. Having people coming and going at all hours of the night (unless they have jobs at that time, of course) is not a good idea. Allowing people to be piss drunk is not a good idea. Any drug use is not a good idea. I’m not saying that the homeless who live in camps fall into any or all of these, but rules are a good thing.

  • http://threetreejournal.blogspot.com/ David in Burien

    Whatever one thinks of Share/Wheel’s approach to publicity-seeking in support of it’s mission, I think ECB is as equally overwrought as she accuses the Seattle Times ed board of being in equating the sleep-outs to the civil disobedience in Montgomery.

    sorrytony @23 has it exactly right. The sleep-outs aren’t civil disobedience; they’re an action aimed at drawing attention to their present plight regarding bus passes.

    Equating the two things is sophomoric at best. And since I don’t consider myself one of the ECB-haters that so haunt these comments, it pains me to say so.

  • http://threetreejournal.blogspot.com David in Burien

    Whatever one thinks of Share/Wheel’s approach to publicity-seeking in support of it’s mission, I think ECB is as equally overwrought as she accuses the Seattle Times ed board of being in equating the sleep-outs to the civil disobedience in Montgomery.

    sorrytony @23 has it exactly right. The sleep-outs aren’t civil disobedience; they’re an action aimed at drawing attention to their present plight regarding bus passes.

    Equating the two things is sophomoric at best. And since I don’t consider myself one of the ECB-haters that so haunt these comments, it pains me to say so.

  • sarah68

    @18: As I said, people don’t travel cross-country to protest FOR homeless people, and homeless people themselves sure don’t travel cross-country to get to Seattle. That’s an urban legend. What they sometimes do is use their last bit of money to come here because they’ve heard there are jobs here, and find that there aren’t. I’ve talked to a number of people in that spot. And who said the purpose of devoting a plot of land for a homeless encampment was to avoid the restrictive rules of shelters regarding behavior? It’s not behavior rules, it’s the fact that shelters are in no way homes. Shelters don’t let you stay during the day if you’re sick. Shelters don’t let you keep your stuff there. Shelters are often full, and you never know if you’ll get a mat that night. Tent City 3 and 4 and Nickelsville don’t tolerate drinking or drug use. Nothing you said, or implicated, is true. Why are you saying it?

  • sarah68

    @18: As I said, people don’t travel cross-country to protest FOR homeless people, and homeless people themselves sure don’t travel cross-country to get to Seattle. That’s an urban legend. What they sometimes do is use their last bit of money to come here because they’ve heard there are jobs here, and find that there aren’t. I’ve talked to a number of people in that spot. And who said the purpose of devoting a plot of land for a homeless encampment was to avoid the restrictive rules of shelters regarding behavior? It’s not behavior rules, it’s the fact that shelters are in no way homes. Shelters don’t let you stay during the day if you’re sick. Shelters don’t let you keep your stuff there. Shelters are often full, and you never know if you’ll get a mat that night. Tent City 3 and 4 and Nickelsville don’t tolerate drinking or drug use. Nothing you said, or implicated, is true. Why are you saying it?

  • Michael M.

    @26 -

    I actually didn’t say that anything like that happens at these camps, quite the opposite. My understanding is that when people do break these rules, they are promptly expelled. There’s the other issue with RSO’s, but that’s a much deeper issue that requires a more nuanced approach.

    There was once a time when I worked with high risk and homeless youth, and our center catered to youth up to 23 years old. I had many clients who came to Seattle from Denver, California, Oregon, Idaho, and other Western states because they heard that we treat the homeless very well here, and provide plenty of government services. That is not a sustainable method of handling the homeless is the point that I’m trying to make. How we get to the balance? I don’t know. But we don’t do it by constantly expanding what we do have, which continues to encourage people to come here that don’t have jobs, don’t have jobs lined up, don’t have homes, don’t have housing lined up, etc. etc.

  • Michael M.

    @26 -

    I actually didn’t say that anything like that happens at these camps, quite the opposite. My understanding is that when people do break these rules, they are promptly expelled. There’s the other issue with RSO’s, but that’s a much deeper issue that requires a more nuanced approach.

    There was once a time when I worked with high risk and homeless youth, and our center catered to youth up to 23 years old. I had many clients who came to Seattle from Denver, California, Oregon, Idaho, and other Western states because they heard that we treat the homeless very well here, and provide plenty of government services. That is not a sustainable method of handling the homeless is the point that I’m trying to make. How we get to the balance? I don’t know. But we don’t do it by constantly expanding what we do have, which continues to encourage people to come here that don’t have jobs, don’t have jobs lined up, don’t have homes, don’t have housing lined up, etc. etc.