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Throw-down? More of a sloppily-reasoned and childish rant.

Does Mr. Claycamp really want to “give the finger” to potential customers who don’t “love” and “believe in” foie gras? Does he “give the finger” to vegetarians, vegans, or customers who don’t consume various foods for religious reasons? I, for one, don’t “love” foie gras as a food and don’t “believe in it” ethically. But that stops me from ordering it, not from avoiding restaurants that serve it. I hope Mr. Claycamp can cook better than he can argue, but I guess I’ll never find out, as I don’t generally support establishments that give me the finger before taking my money.

And I would love to hear how opposition to foie gras has “effectively given permission for the cruelty that takes place in the rest of the meat industry.”

Ladybird, your argument is hardly any better. It never ceases to amaze me how foie gras defenders repeatedly turn to the argument that foie gras is “an expensive luxury item consumed by a tiny sliver of the United States’ population.” Who cares?

The only question is whether or not the practice is cruel or inhumane. The fact that there are more inhumane practices being conducted elsewhere in the world on a larger scale is utterly irrelevant, and to say otherwise is moral relativism at its worst.

Throw-down? More of a sloppily-reasoned and childish rant.

Does Mr. Claycamp really want to “give the finger” to potential customers who don’t “love” and “believe in” foie gras? Does he “give the finger” to vegetarians, vegans, or customers who don’t consume various foods for religious reasons? I, for one, don’t “love” foie gras as a food and don’t “believe in it” ethically. But that stops me from ordering it, not from avoiding restaurants that serve it. I hope Mr. Claycamp can cook better than he can argue, but I guess I’ll never find out, as I don’t generally support establishments that give me the finger before taking my money.

And I would love to hear how opposition to foie gras has “effectively given permission for the cruelty that takes place in the rest of the meat industry.”

Ladybird, your argument is hardly any better. It never ceases to amaze me how foie gras defenders repeatedly turn to the argument that foie gras is “an expensive luxury item consumed by a tiny sliver of the United States’ population.” Who cares?

The only question is whether or not the practice is cruel or inhumane. The fact that there are more inhumane practices being conducted elsewhere in the world on a larger scale is utterly irrelevant, and to say otherwise is moral relativism at its worst.

Throw-down? More of a sloppily-reasoned and childish rant.

Does Mr. Claycamp really want to “give the finger” to potential customers who don’t “love” and “believe in” foie gras? Does he “give the finger” to vegetarians, vegans, or customers who don’t consume various foods for religious reasons? I, for one, don’t “love” foie gras as a food and don’t “believe in it” ethically. But that stops me from ordering it, not from avoiding restaurants that serve it. I hope Mr. Claycamp can cook better than he can argue, but I guess I’ll never find out, as I don’t generally support establishments that give me the finger before taking my money.

And I would love to hear how opposition to foie gras has “effectively given permission for the cruelty that takes place in the rest of the meat industry.”

Ladybird, your argument is hardly any better. It never ceases to amaze me how foie gras defenders repeatedly turn to the argument that foie gras is “an expensive luxury item consumed by a tiny sliver of the United States’ population.” Who cares?

The only question is whether or not the practice is cruel or inhumane. The fact that there are more inhumane practices being conducted elsewhere in the world on a larger scale is utterly irrelevant, and to say otherwise is moral relativism at its worst.

Throw-down? More of a sloppily-reasoned and childish rant.

Does Mr. Claycamp really want to “give the finger” to potential customers who don’t “love” and “believe in” foie gras? Does he “give the finger” to vegetarians, vegans, or customers who don’t consume various foods for religious reasons? I, for one, don’t “love” foie gras as a food and don’t “believe in it” ethically. But that stops me from ordering it, not from avoiding restaurants that serve it. I hope Mr. Claycamp can cook better than he can argue, but I guess I’ll never find out, as I don’t generally support establishments that give me the finger before taking my money.

And I would love to hear how opposition to foie gras has “effectively given permission for the cruelty that takes place in the rest of the meat industry.”

Ladybird, your argument is hardly any better. It never ceases to amaze me how foie gras defenders repeatedly turn to the argument that foie gras is “an expensive luxury item consumed by a tiny sliver of the United States’ population.” Who cares?

The only question is whether or not the practice is cruel or inhumane. The fact that there are more inhumane practices being conducted elsewhere in the world on a larger scale is utterly irrelevant, and to say otherwise is moral relativism at its worst.

Sorry Jason, but the protesters are doing what feels good. I’ve seen them and walked through their lines – and they don’t rant again factory farmed beef, chicken, pork or anything else. They rant against… foie gras. Do you think it’s a coincidence that foie gras is a luxury food?

If the protesters are really interested in making a difference, protest foods that are FAR more injurious to the population and to animals. If they just want to feel morally superior, keep doing the childish crap that they’re doing and complaining about a very small issue.

As to your last paragraph… you might want to look up moral relativism. Unless you feel that something like the Holocaust was no worse a moral transgression than a single murder. Are both tragic? Yes, of course. But the death of millions is far worse than a single death.

Sorry Jason, but the protesters are doing what feels good. I’ve seen them and walked through their lines – and they don’t rant again factory farmed beef, chicken, pork or anything else. They rant against… foie gras. Do you think it’s a coincidence that foie gras is a luxury food?

If the protesters are really interested in making a difference, protest foods that are FAR more injurious to the population and to animals. If they just want to feel morally superior, keep doing the childish crap that they’re doing and complaining about a very small issue.

As to your last paragraph… you might want to look up moral relativism. Unless you feel that something like the Holocaust was no worse a moral transgression than a single murder. Are both tragic? Yes, of course. But the death of millions is far worse than a single death.

Got to love the insecure omnivore’s faux victimhood and specious logic.

This post is a fine specimen. Although Slog did this song and dance better long ago (and repeatedly). Can’t Erica and you guys stick to local politics instead of this tired crap?

Got to love the insecure omnivore’s faux victimhood and specious logic.

This post is a fine specimen. Although Slog did this song and dance better long ago (and repeatedly). Can’t Erica and you guys stick to local politics instead of this tired crap?

Got to love the insecure omnivore’s faux victimhood and specious logic.

This post is a fine specimen. Although Slog did this song and dance better long ago (and repeatedly). Can’t Erica and you guys stick to local politics instead of this tired crap?

Got to love the insecure omnivore’s faux victimhood and specious logic.

This post is a fine specimen. Although Slog did this song and dance better long ago (and repeatedly). Can’t Erica and you guys stick to local politics instead of this tired crap?

Good one emerald.

By the way the Animal Rights folks do “rant” and protest against all sorts of animal cruelty associated with factory farming. It’s just that in America one must keep their message simple to get through the thick heads.

Remember this country torutures human beings and damn few people care enough to protest that activity.

Good one emerald.

By the way the Animal Rights folks do “rant” and protest against all sorts of animal cruelty associated with factory farming. It’s just that in America one must keep their message simple to get through the thick heads.

Remember this country torutures human beings and damn few people care enough to protest that activity.

Good one emerald.

By the way the Animal Rights folks do “rant” and protest against all sorts of animal cruelty associated with factory farming. It’s just that in America one must keep their message simple to get through the thick heads.

Remember this country torutures human beings and damn few people care enough to protest that activity.

Good one emerald.

By the way the Animal Rights folks do “rant” and protest against all sorts of animal cruelty associated with factory farming. It’s just that in America one must keep their message simple to get through the thick heads.

Remember this country torutures human beings and damn few people care enough to protest that activity.

Rick perhaps the animal rights activists are not motivated by a desire to feel morally superior. Perhaps they genuinely abjure animal cruelty and want to stop it for that reason.

But then SLOG has taught you folks that cynicism and snark are the only valid approach to considering any subject.

Rick perhaps the animal rights activists are not motivated by a desire to feel morally superior. Perhaps they genuinely abjure animal cruelty and want to stop it for that reason.

But then SLOG has taught you folks that cynicism and snark are the only valid approach to considering any subject.

Rick perhaps the animal rights activists are not motivated by a desire to feel morally superior. Perhaps they genuinely abjure animal cruelty and want to stop it for that reason.

But then SLOG has taught you folks that cynicism and snark are the only valid approach to considering any subject.

Rick perhaps the animal rights activists are not motivated by a desire to feel morally superior. Perhaps they genuinely abjure animal cruelty and want to stop it for that reason.

But then SLOG has taught you folks that cynicism and snark are the only valid approach to considering any subject.

I’m with Mr. Claycamp and rick here. If anything the silly foie gras protesters hurt their cause by attacking people who might agree with them when it comes to issues like factory farming.

Instead they pick on something tiny without a big well-funded lobby behind it and one enough outside most people’s experience that it doesn’t garner much sympathy from the general public.

I’m with Mr. Claycamp and rick here. If anything the silly foie gras protesters hurt their cause by attacking people who might agree with them when it comes to issues like factory farming.

Instead they pick on something tiny without a big well-funded lobby behind it and one enough outside most people’s experience that it doesn’t garner much sympathy from the general public.

I’m with Mr. Claycamp and rick here. If anything the silly foie gras protesters hurt their cause by attacking people who might agree with them when it comes to issues like factory farming.

Instead they pick on something tiny without a big well-funded lobby behind it and one enough outside most people’s experience that it doesn’t garner much sympathy from the general public.

I’m with Mr. Claycamp and rick here. If anything the silly foie gras protesters hurt their cause by attacking people who might agree with them when it comes to issues like factory farming.

Instead they pick on something tiny without a big well-funded lobby behind it and one enough outside most people’s experience that it doesn’t garner much sympathy from the general public.

@Rick: if you’re going to address my comment, please bother to read it. I never defended any protesters, so you don’t have to say you’re “sorry” when critiquing them.

My point was that Claycamp didn’t go after a particularly obnoxious protester or a reckless or irresponsible protest group (nor have you, for that matter—your “protester” smells suspiciously of straw). He nonchalantly “gave the finger” to anyone who doesn’t “love” or “believe in” foie gras. As a potential customer, that was my problem (along with his absurd and frankly incomprehensible claim that opposition to foie gras magically grants factory farms “permission” to do what they do).

And is it a surprise to you that people at a foie gras protest were protesting, um, foie gras, and not every other animal cruelty issue under the Sun? You can say foie gras production is a relatively small issue compared to factory farming. So what? Do you go after people who support our national parks because our parks aren’t as important as the Brazilian rain forest?

As to my last paragraph, you miss the point entirely. Sure, we can all agree that factory farming hurts more animals in a worse way than foie gras production. We can also say that factory farming hurts far more animals than, say, dog fighting and bear baiting. Does that mean no one should bother opposing bear baiting and dog fighting?
Or that people who attend rallies against dog fighting without concomitantly “ranting” against factory farming are just doing “what feels good”?

By Ladybird’s rationale, pretty much anyone can do pretty much anything under the pretense that someone, somewhere, is doing something worse and/or on a larger scale.

@Rick: if you’re going to address my comment, please bother to read it. I never defended any protesters, so you don’t have to say you’re “sorry” when critiquing them.

My point was that Claycamp didn’t go after a particularly obnoxious protester or a reckless or irresponsible protest group (nor have you, for that matter—your “protester” smells suspiciously of straw). He nonchalantly “gave the finger” to anyone who doesn’t “love” or “believe in” foie gras. As a potential customer, that was my problem (along with his absurd and frankly incomprehensible claim that opposition to foie gras magically grants factory farms “permission” to do what they do).

And is it a surprise to you that people at a foie gras protest were protesting, um, foie gras, and not every other animal cruelty issue under the Sun? You can say foie gras production is a relatively small issue compared to factory farming. So what? Do you go after people who support our national parks because our parks aren’t as important as the Brazilian rain forest?

As to my last paragraph, you miss the point entirely. Sure, we can all agree that factory farming hurts more animals in a worse way than foie gras production. We can also say that factory farming hurts far more animals than, say, dog fighting and bear baiting. Does that mean no one should bother opposing bear baiting and dog fighting?
Or that people who attend rallies against dog fighting without concomitantly “ranting” against factory farming are just doing “what feels good”?

By Ladybird’s rationale, pretty much anyone can do pretty much anything under the pretense that someone, somewhere, is doing something worse and/or on a larger scale.

@Rick: if you’re going to address my comment, please bother to read it. I never defended any protesters, so you don’t have to say you’re “sorry” when critiquing them.

My point was that Claycamp didn’t go after a particularly obnoxious protester or a reckless or irresponsible protest group (nor have you, for that matter—your “protester” smells suspiciously of straw). He nonchalantly “gave the finger” to anyone who doesn’t “love” or “believe in” foie gras. As a potential customer, that was my problem (along with his absurd and frankly incomprehensible claim that opposition to foie gras magically grants factory farms “permission” to do what they do).

And is it a surprise to you that people at a foie gras protest were protesting, um, foie gras, and not every other animal cruelty issue under the Sun? You can say foie gras production is a relatively small issue compared to factory farming. So what? Do you go after people who support our national parks because our parks aren’t as important as the Brazilian rain forest?

As to my last paragraph, you miss the point entirely. Sure, we can all agree that factory farming hurts more animals in a worse way than foie gras production. We can also say that factory farming hurts far more animals than, say, dog fighting and bear baiting. Does that mean no one should bother opposing bear baiting and dog fighting?
Or that people who attend rallies against dog fighting without concomitantly “ranting” against factory farming are just doing “what feels good”?

By Ladybird’s rationale, pretty much anyone can do pretty much anything under the pretense that someone, somewhere, is doing something worse and/or on a larger scale.

What is the purpose of this stupid article? Just to rile people up? Does the Swinery think it’s going to get more customers by writing this screed? Is that the ONLY way it can get customers?

Hideous article, hideously aggressive pronouncement by the Swinery. Which is aptly named and I don’t mean for the pork products.

What is the purpose of this stupid article? Just to rile people up? Does the Swinery think it’s going to get more customers by writing this screed? Is that the ONLY way it can get customers?

Hideous article, hideously aggressive pronouncement by the Swinery. Which is aptly named and I don’t mean for the pork products.

What is the purpose of this stupid article? Just to rile people up? Does the Swinery think it’s going to get more customers by writing this screed? Is that the ONLY way it can get customers?

Hideous article, hideously aggressive pronouncement by the Swinery. Which is aptly named and I don’t mean for the pork products.

What is the purpose of this stupid article? Just to rile people up? Does the Swinery think it’s going to get more customers by writing this screed? Is that the ONLY way it can get customers?

Hideous article, hideously aggressive pronouncement by the Swinery. Which is aptly named and I don’t mean for the pork products.

ah, Jason…

My point is merely that you never see people concerned about animal cruelty protesting outside of KFC though certainly more animals are harmed due to factory farming of chickens. Nor will you see them near hot dog stands or hamburger joints, yet again many more animals are harmed by factory farming of pork and beef. Ask yourself why they’re taking on foie grag and not fried chicken? Maybe, just maybe, it’s because they aren’t really that interested in stopping the activity but in getting attention.

But then I’m rather tired of the Easily Offended Seattlite (and before you tell me to go home, I was born here…). Any slight attitude and it’s Shock and Outrage. That, I think, is their point – the foie gras issue is minor in the scheme of factory farming of animals, yet the protesters act as if it’s a huge moral outrage. Scale DOES maka a difference, your rather odd analogies aside.

ah, Jason…

My point is merely that you never see people concerned about animal cruelty protesting outside of KFC though certainly more animals are harmed due to factory farming of chickens. Nor will you see them near hot dog stands or hamburger joints, yet again many more animals are harmed by factory farming of pork and beef. Ask yourself why they’re taking on foie grag and not fried chicken? Maybe, just maybe, it’s because they aren’t really that interested in stopping the activity but in getting attention.

But then I’m rather tired of the Easily Offended Seattlite (and before you tell me to go home, I was born here…). Any slight attitude and it’s Shock and Outrage. That, I think, is their point – the foie gras issue is minor in the scheme of factory farming of animals, yet the protesters act as if it’s a huge moral outrage. Scale DOES maka a difference, your rather odd analogies aside.

ah, Jason…

My point is merely that you never see people concerned about animal cruelty protesting outside of KFC though certainly more animals are harmed due to factory farming of chickens. Nor will you see them near hot dog stands or hamburger joints, yet again many more animals are harmed by factory farming of pork and beef. Ask yourself why they’re taking on foie grag and not fried chicken? Maybe, just maybe, it’s because they aren’t really that interested in stopping the activity but in getting attention.

But then I’m rather tired of the Easily Offended Seattlite (and before you tell me to go home, I was born here…). Any slight attitude and it’s Shock and Outrage. That, I think, is their point – the foie gras issue is minor in the scheme of factory farming of animals, yet the protesters act as if it’s a huge moral outrage. Scale DOES maka a difference, your rather odd analogies aside.

ah, Jason…

My point is merely that you never see people concerned about animal cruelty protesting outside of KFC though certainly more animals are harmed due to factory farming of chickens. Nor will you see them near hot dog stands or hamburger joints, yet again many more animals are harmed by factory farming of pork and beef. Ask yourself why they’re taking on foie grag and not fried chicken? Maybe, just maybe, it’s because they aren’t really that interested in stopping the activity but in getting attention.

But then I’m rather tired of the Easily Offended Seattlite (and before you tell me to go home, I was born here…). Any slight attitude and it’s Shock and Outrage. That, I think, is their point – the foie gras issue is minor in the scheme of factory farming of animals, yet the protesters act as if it’s a huge moral outrage. Scale DOES maka a difference, your rather odd analogies aside.

@ rick

Actually, there were weekly protests in front of the KFC on Pine (now Rancho Bravo) for years. Now the protests have switched to McDonald’s.

Maybe you should try rethinking your half-assed hypothesis that animal rights activists are simply a bunch of attention whores who don’t really give a damn about reducing unnecessary suffering and slaughter.

@ rick

Actually, there were weekly protests in front of the KFC on Pine (now Rancho Bravo) for years. Now the protests have switched to McDonald’s.

Maybe you should try rethinking your half-assed hypothesis that animal rights activists are simply a bunch of attention whores who don’t really give a damn about reducing unnecessary suffering and slaughter.

@ rick

Actually, there were weekly protests in front of the KFC on Pine (now Rancho Bravo) for years. Now the protests have switched to McDonald’s.

Maybe you should try rethinking your half-assed hypothesis that animal rights activists are simply a bunch of attention whores who don’t really give a damn about reducing unnecessary suffering and slaughter.

@ rick

Actually, there were weekly protests in front of the KFC on Pine (now Rancho Bravo) for years. Now the protests have switched to McDonald’s.

Maybe you should try rethinking your half-assed hypothesis that animal rights activists are simply a bunch of attention whores who don’t really give a damn about reducing unnecessary suffering and slaughter.

@9,

As to your first paragraph: Uh, dude, I encourage you to google “KFC protest”.

As to your second paragraph: Animal cruelty is a moral outrage, regardless of scale. The question is whether the practice is cruel or not, nothing more.

I’m no zealot. I’ve tried foie gras. I eat at places that serve it, although I do not order it (and yes, I also ask my server if s/he knows how the chicken/cow/pig was raised before I order it). I’ve never attended an anti-foie-gras protest or donated money to stop foie gras production. I just take umbrage with an owner-chef who says he is “giving me the finger” for my inability to “love” and “believe in” every food on his menu, and with your notion that anyone who looks at any animal-welfare issue in the world of food production beyond factory farming apparently does so merely to feel good or to get attention.

Oh, and I also take issue with your claim that my previous analogies were odd. They were perfectly wonderful, thanks. I’m not the one who brought up the Holocaust.

@9,

As to your first paragraph: Uh, dude, I encourage you to google “KFC protest”.

As to your second paragraph: Animal cruelty is a moral outrage, regardless of scale. The question is whether the practice is cruel or not, nothing more.

I’m no zealot. I’ve tried foie gras. I eat at places that serve it, although I do not order it (and yes, I also ask my server if s/he knows how the chicken/cow/pig was raised before I order it). I’ve never attended an anti-foie-gras protest or donated money to stop foie gras production. I just take umbrage with an owner-chef who says he is “giving me the finger” for my inability to “love” and “believe in” every food on his menu, and with your notion that anyone who looks at any animal-welfare issue in the world of food production beyond factory farming apparently does so merely to feel good or to get attention.

Oh, and I also take issue with your claim that my previous analogies were odd. They were perfectly wonderful, thanks. I’m not the one who brought up the Holocaust.

@9,

As to your first paragraph: Uh, dude, I encourage you to google “KFC protest”.

As to your second paragraph: Animal cruelty is a moral outrage, regardless of scale. The question is whether the practice is cruel or not, nothing more.

I’m no zealot. I’ve tried foie gras. I eat at places that serve it, although I do not order it (and yes, I also ask my server if s/he knows how the chicken/cow/pig was raised before I order it). I’ve never attended an anti-foie-gras protest or donated money to stop foie gras production. I just take umbrage with an owner-chef who says he is “giving me the finger” for my inability to “love” and “believe in” every food on his menu, and with your notion that anyone who looks at any animal-welfare issue in the world of food production beyond factory farming apparently does so merely to feel good or to get attention.

Oh, and I also take issue with your claim that my previous analogies were odd. They were perfectly wonderful, thanks. I’m not the one who brought up the Holocaust.

@9,

As to your first paragraph: Uh, dude, I encourage you to google “KFC protest”.

As to your second paragraph: Animal cruelty is a moral outrage, regardless of scale. The question is whether the practice is cruel or not, nothing more.

I’m no zealot. I’ve tried foie gras. I eat at places that serve it, although I do not order it (and yes, I also ask my server if s/he knows how the chicken/cow/pig was raised before I order it). I’ve never attended an anti-foie-gras protest or donated money to stop foie gras production. I just take umbrage with an owner-chef who says he is “giving me the finger” for my inability to “love” and “believe in” every food on his menu, and with your notion that anyone who looks at any animal-welfare issue in the world of food production beyond factory farming apparently does so merely to feel good or to get attention.

Oh, and I also take issue with your claim that my previous analogies were odd. They were perfectly wonderful, thanks. I’m not the one who brought up the Holocaust.

AWESOME post Foodnerd!!

AWESOME post Foodnerd!!

AWESOME post Foodnerd!!

AWESOME post Foodnerd!!

Rick-you are one dumb son-ov-a-bitch. Too much antibiotics and hormones in your dead flesh I suspect.

Rick-you are one dumb son-ov-a-bitch. Too much antibiotics and hormones in your dead flesh I suspect.

Rick-you are one dumb son-ov-a-bitch. Too much antibiotics and hormones in your dead flesh I suspect.

Rick-you are one dumb son-ov-a-bitch. Too much antibiotics and hormones in your dead flesh I suspect.

I don’t trust Claycamp to wash his hands, much less put something in MY mouth. He has a dirty health dep’t record and one of sticking it to a lot of people who bought his classes. Him stirring up the foie gras freek on purpose is typical of the kind of businss man he is. Lame, and a little ethically dubious.

I don’t trust Claycamp to wash his hands, much less put something in MY mouth. He has a dirty health dep’t record and one of sticking it to a lot of people who bought his classes. Him stirring up the foie gras freek on purpose is typical of the kind of businss man he is. Lame, and a little ethically dubious.

I don’t trust Claycamp to wash his hands, much less put something in MY mouth. He has a dirty health dep’t record and one of sticking it to a lot of people who bought his classes. Him stirring up the foie gras freek on purpose is typical of the kind of businss man he is. Lame, and a little ethically dubious.