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Phillips v. Hutchison on KUOW

Larry Phillips

Larry Phillips

King County Executive candidate Larry Phillips scored a one-on-one debate with Republican rival and former KIRO anchor Susan Hutchison on KUOW’s "Weekday" this morning, and host Steve Scher took advantage of the opportunity to pit the two candidates against each other at every opportunity. (So far, Dow Constantine has been able to position himself as frontrunner Hutchison’s main Democratic opponent, thanks in large part to his decision to come out swinging against her way back in June ).

Scher was unusually aggressive, particularly in questioning Hutchison. And of course, the "R" question was front and center.

Prodded by Phillips, who all but shouted, "[Hutchison] may not want to admit she’s a Republican, but she’s a Republican’s best friend!",Scher asked Hutchison point-blank: "Are you a Republican?"

Hutchison’s response: "[It's] fine if you think that, but the voters voted for this to be a nonpartisan race, because the issues in this race are nonpartisan. So if my opponent wants to keep telling everyone that he’s a Democrat, that’s fine, but I’m not going to divide people that way."

In her answers to Scher’s questions, Hutchison stuck to scripted variations on  four themes: 1) I’m a nonpartisan nonpolitician, so don’t ask me about my many longtime Republican ties; 2) I will bring all the stakeholders to the table and reach compromise solutions to the complex problems facing our county; 3) The reason things don’t get done at the county is because of the influence of special interests; and 4) We need to reduce overhead and duplication in county services to cut the fat and solve our budget problems.

Some examples:

Asked how she would deal with Glacier Northwest’s gravel mine on Maury Island, given that the negotiation process with the mining company is out of the county’s hands, Hutchison responded, "Of course, the [Puget] Sound is in crisis as we know and we have a particular eye on that right now because all of us want to make sure that it’s cleaned up and becomes the beautiful piece of water that we all want it to be. I believe that in order to solve these complex problems, you bring all the stakeholders to the table, and you work through the governmental processes. And so that’s what is happening." She added: "Whenever we can speak and help the interested parties find consensus to the benefit of our citizens that’s what we need to do in an executive position."

Asked how she would address the problem of pollution in Puget Sound, Hutchison replied, "Well you lead the charge … [in] all kinds of programs. When we’re talking about environmental impact, I think the big mike of the executive is crucial. I’ve reached out to a number of organizations and a number of leaders when it comes to our environmental policy because we have to work together. There’s been a sense over time that it’s so political, our environmental efforts, that even those efforts made to reach consensus and solve problems are met by some as problematic because they really have politicized. … The moment they get to a point where they’re close to a decision and some action, somebody with a very special interest comes in and says it’s no, we don’t want this problem to be solved, because it’s not to our benefit."

Susan Hutchison

Susan Hutchison

Asked how she would clean up the Duwamish River, Hutchison said, "When we have new leadership in the executive’s office we can start making some real strides—bringing people together to solve our complex problems.

Asked for specifics, Hutchison named "the environmentalists, the conservationists, the scientists, the tribes. You bring ‘em together and they face each other and they’re charged with working out a solution and you give ‘em a timeline. … You know, we cleaned up Lake Washington in a much shorter period than [the ten years proposed for Duwamish cleanup]."

At that point, Scher pressed Hutchison to explain how she would deal with one particular party to the Duwamish cleanup: The Boeing Co., which the Duwamish River Cleanup Coalition has claimed is taking too long to complete its part of the cleanup. Hutchison responded that she would "of course" call Boeing, adding, "I know a lot of people at Boeing. My husband works there."

Then she went off on a tangent about the need to "really focus our priorities and cut the size of the overhead of government, which has grown astronomically. … We need creative solutions."

But, again, she didn’t propose any specific  solutions, aside from combining the various agencies that handle things like drug abuse and homelessness, which would eliminate maybe a dozen positions. (Phillips pointed out that it would not be legal to transfer dollars dedicated to things like drug abuse prevention to Duwamish cleanup).

Phillips, for his part, played the role of the experienced statesman, noting his work to preserve land adjacent to Glacier’s gravel mine as a park and marine preserve, eviscerating Hutchison’s claim that she would bring everyone "to the table" on Duwamish cleanup ("That collaborative effort to reach out to those entities has already occurred, which is why we’re implementing the agreement"), and shooting down Hutchison’s attempt to slam him for taking money from unions ("I’ve been a Democrat my entire life. I’ve been supported by business, by labor, by environmentalists, and by Democrats. I have not hidden who I am.")

In a press release after the debate, Phillips’ campaign called Hutchison "evasive" and "inaccurate," noting the Duwamish transfer issue as well as the fact that Hutchison claimed her experience managing the Charles Simonyi Fund for the Arts prepared her to manage the 13,000-employee county, and the fact that she said she would eliminate six "homelessness agencies" at the county that don’t actually exist.


  • slownewsday

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m starting to suspect that Susan Hutchison may be a Republican.

    I sure hope Publicola will keep looking into this.

  • slownewsday

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m starting to suspect that Susan Hutchison may be a Republican.

    I sure hope Publicola will keep looking into this.

  • anon

    i thought the best part of the interview was at the very end when scher actually laughs at one of her responses and calls her out for not actually saying anything of substance.

  • anon

    i thought the best part of the interview was at the very end when scher actually laughs at one of her responses and calls her out for not actually saying anything of substance.

  • Remember that debate?

    I listened to the second hour of Weekday today. I thought Larry Phillips came across like Rick Lazio.

  • Remember that debate?

    I listened to the second hour of Weekday today. I thought Larry Phillips came across like Rick Lazio.

  • Hartman

    Susan Hutchison terrifies me, but damn if i don’t like looking at her. She’d look hot riding one of those prehistoric Jesus-horses.

  • Michael G

    That was a good recap. I think that an important question for undecided listeners to consider is this: which candidate comes across as having a better understanding of how the county government works? The word “executive” means that whoever takes office will be to King County what the CEO is to a corporation, and we should have someone with a solid command of the issues. That’s why I support Phillips.

  • Michael G

    That was a good recap. I think that an important question for undecided listeners to consider is this: which candidate comes across as having a better understanding of how the county government works? The word “executive” means that whoever takes office will be to King County what the CEO is to a corporation, and we should have someone with a solid command of the issues. That’s why I support Phillips.

  • J.R.

    Let’s just bring all the stakeholders together around a table. That’s enough solution for any thorny problem, right?

  • J.R.

    Let’s just bring all the stakeholders together around a table. That’s enough solution for any thorny problem, right?

  • Hicham El Guerrouj

    @4

    Larry looks like he needs to hit the treadmill 45 minutes per day and at least 5 times per week. He also needs to watch his diet and become a teetotaler if he isn’t one already.

    Ordinarily, I wouldn’t recommend that Larry emulate the actions of former King County Executive Ron Sims, whose management of the county was an abysmal failure. However, in Sims’s personal life, toward the middle of his term, it’s clear that he exercised and improved his diet. That’s worthy of emulation.

  • Hicham El Guerrouj

    @4

    Larry looks like he needs to hit the treadmill 45 minutes per day and at least 5 times per week. He also needs to watch his diet and become a teetotaler if he isn’t one already.

    Ordinarily, I wouldn’t recommend that Larry emulate the actions of former King County Executive Ron Sims, whose management of the county was an abysmal failure. However, in Sims’s personal life, toward the middle of his term, it’s clear that he exercised and improved his diet. That’s worthy of emulation.

  • http://www.twistedpine.org/seattleuntimely/index.php5?episodeNum=22 seattleuntimely

    I was delighted that Steve Scher was so feisty. Sometimes I think the NPR hosts are overly polite for fear of seeming non-objective.

    My favorite part was at the end of the interview when he stuck it to Hutchison. Summarized:

    Hutchison went on the offensive against Phillips saying that the King County Council are the ones that control the purse, so for Phillips to claim that he is going to change anything is ridiculous because he’s already on the council, controls the purse and had his chance to change things.

    At this point Scher immediately leaped in and asked why she wasn’t then running for King County Council if they have more power.

    To which Hutchison cutely replied ‘Because I have executive skills.’

    Scher followed-up by asking what that meant. How would her executive skills allow her to bend this almighty council to her will.

    At this point Hutchison pulled the cord in her back and said, ‘I’m non-partisan, I’ll bring all the parties to the table, math is tough.’

    I think this is when Scher broke into full chortle.

  • http://www.twistedpine.org/seattleuntimely/index.php5?episodeNum=22 seattleuntimely

    I was delighted that Steve Scher was so feisty. Sometimes I think the NPR hosts are overly polite for fear of seeming non-objective.

    My favorite part was at the end of the interview when he stuck it to Hutchison. Summarized:

    Hutchison went on the offensive against Phillips saying that the King County Council are the ones that control the purse, so for Phillips to claim that he is going to change anything is ridiculous because he’s already on the council, controls the purse and had his chance to change things.

    At this point Scher immediately leaped in and asked why she wasn’t then running for King County Council if they have more power.

    To which Hutchison cutely replied ‘Because I have executive skills.’

    Scher followed-up by asking what that meant. How would her executive skills allow her to bend this almighty council to her will.

    At this point Hutchison pulled the cord in her back and said, ‘I’m non-partisan, I’ll bring all the parties to the table, math is tough.’

    I think this is when Scher broke into full chortle.

  • http://www.twistedpine.org/seattleuntimely/index.php5?episodeNum=23 seattleuntimely

    Sorry for monopolizing this thread, but I had a second, separate comment.

    This interview further illustrated why Hutchison should largely blame herself for people focusing so much on her Republican roots.

    When Steve Scher asked her why she would be a good King County Executive, one of the first things out of her mouth was “I’m non-partisan.”

    Now I’m not convinced that party affiliation or non-partisanship matters at all for this office, but if you’re going to bring it up and tout non-partisanship as one of your top qualifications, don’t be surprised when people call you out.

  • http://www.twistedpine.org/seattleuntimely/index.php5?episodeNum=23 seattleuntimely

    Sorry for monopolizing this thread, but I had a second, separate comment.

    This interview further illustrated why Hutchison should largely blame herself for people focusing so much on her Republican roots.

    When Steve Scher asked her why she would be a good King County Executive, one of the first things out of her mouth was “I’m non-partisan.”

    Now I’m not convinced that party affiliation or non-partisanship matters at all for this office, but if you’re going to bring it up and tout non-partisanship as one of your top qualifications, don’t be surprised when people call you out.

  • Steve lacks critical skill wit

    Regarding Steve Scher, he seems to develop balls during election season- al least he did today, but he’s a passive pussy when it comes to elected incumbents like King County Executive, Mayor of Seattle, Governor of the State. He won’t really challenge them like today.

  • Steve lacks critical skill with incumbents

    Regarding Steve Scher, he seems to develop balls during election season- al least he did today, but he’s a passive pussy when it comes to elected incumbents like King County Executive, Mayor of Seattle, Governor of the State. He won’t really challenge them like today.

  • anon

    @8 — i agree, that’s definitely the part i liked best… i think steve actually says (between guffaws), “but that’s just talk — those words don’t actually mean anything.”

  • anon

    @8 — i agree, that’s definitely the part i liked best… i think steve actually says (between guffaws), “but that’s just talk — those words don’t actually mean anything.”

  • Sarah

    WHY is anyone paying any attention to this woman?!? She doesn’t know a damned thing and she has no experience and the court records just released make her look even more like a fool than she did before. And yet every bit of media attention revs it up even further. Is it because she’s a woman? That’s ridiculous in the exec race just as its ridiculous in the Licata/Israel race. I’m a woman and I don’t know any women who think the gender card is appropriate to play, any more than the race card or any other damned card. This county is just about the biggest in America and we don’t need a know-nothing in the head seat.

    OK I know most people on Publicola aren’t Huchison fans. Just had to vent.

  • Sarah

    WHY is anyone paying any attention to this woman?!? She doesn’t know a damned thing and she has no experience and the court records just released make her look even more like a fool than she did before. And yet every bit of media attention revs it up even further. Is it because she’s a woman? That’s ridiculous in the exec race just as its ridiculous in the Licata/Israel race. I’m a woman and I don’t know any women who think the gender card is appropriate to play, any more than the race card or any other damned card. This county is just about the biggest in America and we don’t need a know-nothing in the head seat.

    OK I know most people on Publicola aren’t Huchison fans. Just had to vent.

  • silber

    Sure is terrible when a candidate stays on message. Especially a candidate that knows how to conduct an interview, because she did them for 20 years. What’s more, simply going on NPR shows Hutchison isn’t afraid to reach out to liberal voters. Comprehensive treatment of the story? Fail.

    If she wanted to play it safe, she never would have agreed to go on with Phillips. But I guess that doesn’t fit into Publi-KoolAid’s “stealth campaign” mantra, so it wasn’t mentioned. Deliberate distortion of a news story? Fail.

    Setting Hutchison up to be a policy lightweight because she gives the answer she wants, and not the one the reporter wants? Advocating for Scher to ask tough questions of Hutchison, but not Phillips? Fail.

  • silber

    Sure is terrible when a candidate stays on message. Especially a candidate that knows how to conduct an interview, because she did them for 20 years. What’s more, simply going on NPR shows Hutchison isn’t afraid to reach out to liberal voters. Comprehensive treatment of the story? Fail.

    If she wanted to play it safe, she never would have agreed to go on with Phillips. But I guess that doesn’t fit into Publi-KoolAid’s “stealth campaign” mantra, so it wasn’t mentioned. Deliberate distortion of a news story? Fail.

    Setting Hutchison up to be a policy lightweight because she gives the answer she wants, and not the one the reporter wants? Advocating for Scher to ask tough questions of Hutchison, but not Phillips? Fail.

  • Danny Noonan

    Shades of Palin.

    http://www.kuow.org/program.php?id=18147

    God she is horrible, so painful.
    My Highlights

    23:30 Name dropping Rucklesburger can hurt you Suzy Q

    39:00 Why she’s running and who are the special interests?

    45:30 So what you are a Republican? Nope because the problems of the county are non partisan. (with a shout out for ECB)

    I was going highlight more but I could only re-listen to a point.

    I was disappointed that Scher didn’t ask LP that has done so much to protect Muary Island why has he taken 20K in moneies from Glacier lobbyists and their families.

  • Danny Noonan

    Shades of Palin.

    http://www.kuow.org/program.php?id=18147

    God she is horrible, so painful.
    My Highlights

    23:30 Name dropping Rucklesburger can hurt you Suzy Q

    39:00 Why she’s running and who are the special interests?

    45:30 So what you are a Republican? Nope because the problems of the county are non partisan. (with a shout out for ECB)

    I was going highlight more but I could only re-listen to a point.

    I was disappointed that Scher didn’t ask LP that has done so much to protect Muary Island why has he taken 20K in moneies from Glacier lobbyists and their families.

  • J.R.

    @13: There’s a difference between having a different answer and not having an answer at all.

  • J.R.

    @13: There’s a difference between having a different answer and not having an answer at all.

  • Hartman

    Susan Hutchison terrifies me, but damn if i don't like looking at her. She'd look hot riding one of those prehistoric Jesus-horses.