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Here's the Problem

Now that Link Light Rail is up and running, Metro is “amending” bus routes in Southeast Seattle, where light rail runs, starting on September 19. The idea, according to Metro, is to “improve the overall transportation network and will help connect bus riders to light rail stations.”

Leaving aside the fact that Metro is facing a $100 million shortfall that will result in cuts of up to 20 percent in service—much of that in Seattle—next year, the immediate problem with Metro’s proposal is that it consists mostly of minor changes (cutting and combining, mostly) to routes that parallel light rail—and not, as Sound Transit itself has promised, the redeployment of  between 50,000 and 70,000 service hours to “feed into the light rail system spine.”

As those who live there know all too well, what’s really needed in Southeast Seattle isn’t changes to routes that run alongside the light rail line, but service to neighborhoods east and west of the line, where Sound Transit is assuming many riders will come from.

Studies have consistently shown that ridership drops off dramatically when people have to walk more than a quarter-mile to a station. However, Metro has proposed no new routes to serve any of those neighborhoods. The result, I fear, will be that light rail serves the people who live right along the line fairly well—but won’t pick up new riders outside a quarter-mile of the stations, where thousands of potential riders live.


  • swatter

    Sheesh, that is near heresy to support the rapid bus deployment option. Light rail is not flexible.

    Can’t Metro get smaller more mobile transportation and hit nearly every intersection instead of just the arterials and get them to go directly to transit stations?

  • swatter

    Sheesh, that is near heresy to support the rapid bus deployment option. Light rail is not flexible.

    Can’t Metro get smaller more mobile transportation and hit nearly every intersection instead of just the arterials and get them to go directly to transit stations?

  • swatter

    Sheesh, that is near heresy to support the rapid bus deployment option. Light rail is not flexible.

    Can’t Metro get smaller more mobile transportation and hit nearly every intersection instead of just the arterials and get them to go directly to transit stations?

  • Trevor

    Sounds less like a policy problem than a governance problem– like the bigger problem is that ST is a regional transportation agency in addition to, rather than integrated with or superseding, a whole host of local transportation agencies.

  • Trevor

    Sounds less like a policy problem than a governance problem– like the bigger problem is that ST is a regional transportation agency in addition to, rather than integrated with or superseding, a whole host of local transportation agencies.

  • Trevor

    Sounds less like a policy problem than a governance problem– like the bigger problem is that ST is a regional transportation agency in addition to, rather than integrated with or superseding, a whole host of local transportation agencies.

  • Seatac area

    Yes, you’re right on target with this critique, though one question is how far away are the “parallel” routes? And where are the people who ride them going? They may be going to destinations where rail doesn’t go, either beyond the end points, or in between the stops as ACRS has brought to our attention.

  • Seatac area

    Yes, you’re right on target with this critique, though one question is how far away are the “parallel” routes? And where are the people who ride them going? They may be going to destinations where rail doesn’t go, either beyond the end points, or in between the stops as ACRS has brought to our attention.

  • Mr. X

    Um, this surprises you? This has been ST and Metro’s game plan from day 1 – they’ve gotta get those bus riders onto the light rail line to meet ridership projections.

  • Mr. X

    Um, this surprises you? This has been ST and Metro’s game plan from day 1 – they’ve gotta get those bus riders onto the light rail line to meet ridership projections.

  • lorax

    Maybe they’re not redeploying into feeder routes in southeast Seattle, but they are in South King County. MT 140, the main route connecting Burien, SeaTac, Tukwila and Renton, is being rerouted in Feb 2010 to connect with the Tukwila Station instead of SeaTac airport. This will shave time off of its round trip. Plus new trips are being added in the evenings. Once this happens, expect ridership from the Tukwila station to increase.

  • lorax

    Maybe they’re not redeploying into feeder routes in southeast Seattle, but they are in South King County. MT 140, the main route connecting Burien, SeaTac, Tukwila and Renton, is being rerouted in Feb 2010 to connect with the Tukwila Station instead of SeaTac airport. This will shave time off of its round trip. Plus new trips are being added in the evenings. Once this happens, expect ridership from the Tukwila station to increase.

  • Hobgoblin

    You mean King County, ST and SDOT haven’t put together a comprehensive and coordinated transit plan that maximizes the utility of resources available and infrasture investments? I am shocked. Shocked.

  • Hobgoblin

    You mean King County, ST and SDOT haven’t put together a comprehensive and coordinated transit plan that maximizes the utility of resources available and infrasture investments? I am shocked. Shocked.

  • http://seattletransitblog.com/ Martin H. Duke

    The place you’ll find the service hours to go east-west is by taking from the routes that run to downtown — the 42 and the 7.

    The 42 is basically gone (and the service hours largely swallowed by the Streetcar), but we’re a long way from being politically able to cut 7 service.

  • http://seattletransitblog.com Martin H. Duke

    The place you’ll find the service hours to go east-west is by taking from the routes that run to downtown — the 42 and the 7.

    The 42 is basically gone (and the service hours largely swallowed by the Streetcar), but we’re a long way from being politically able to cut 7 service.

  • David Miller

    This is a huge issue in SE Seattle, of course. We had volunteers out at four stops on Inaugural Day and we were asking people if they would continue to ride the rails as part of their daily commute and, if not, why not?

    Lack of sidewalks and bus access were the biggest issues, closely followed by no parking around the stations. In most of my conversations with people who mentioned ‘parking’, it appears to mostly be a symptom of the first two than an issue on its own. That’s heartening.

    I think we can be creative with some specialty lots near the light rail stations for car share and scooter parking. There are logistics and siting issues that have to be examined, of course. Having secure bike lockers/areas at each station also makes a ton of sense.

  • David Miller

    This is a huge issue in SE Seattle, of course. We had volunteers out at four stops on Inaugural Day and we were asking people if they would continue to ride the rails as part of their daily commute and, if not, why not?

    Lack of sidewalks and bus access were the biggest issues, closely followed by no parking around the stations. In most of my conversations with people who mentioned ‘parking’, it appears to mostly be a symptom of the first two than an issue on its own. That’s heartening.

    I think we can be creative with some specialty lots near the light rail stations for car share and scooter parking. There are logistics and siting issues that have to be examined, of course. Having secure bike lockers/areas at each station also makes a ton of sense.

  • http://seattletransitblog.com/ Martin H. Duke

    News flash to all the “comprehensive plan” advocates: the public gets a say too. Metro could come up with all kinds of fancy plans to redirect service, but any change to the status quo stirs up a ton of resistance and the Council will block it.

  • http://seattletransitblog.com Martin H. Duke

    News flash to all the “comprehensive plan” advocates: the public gets a say too. Metro could come up with all kinds of fancy plans to redirect service, but any change to the status quo stirs up a ton of resistance and the Council will block it.

  • http://seattletransitblog.com/ Andrew Smith

    I’ve seen a lot of studies that say half a mile. I’ve never seen a single study that says a quarter mile.

    Do you have a study to link to that says that or are you just assuming that’s the case.

  • http://seattletransitblog.com Andrew Smith

    I’ve seen a lot of studies that say half a mile. I’ve never seen a single study that says a quarter mile.

    Do you have a study to link to that says that or are you just assuming that’s the case.

  • Seatac area

    Distance people will travel also depends on weather, on how hilly it is, and whether there are sidewalks, plus the walker’s health and what they are carrying, and the safety of the area. 1/4 mile is probably more realistic for a lot of people than 1/2 mile.

  • Seatac area

    Distance people will travel also depends on weather, on how hilly it is, and whether there are sidewalks, plus the walker’s health and what they are carrying, and the safety of the area. 1/4 mile is probably more realistic for a lot of people than 1/2 mile.

  • anne

    Exactly ECB! The only way to get the East, West and South neighborhoods is more frequent service/circulators feeding the trains.

    Since there is no increase in frequency of routes to the stations, bus commuters who ride beyond downtown are stuck on the same route they used before. Unless they want to wait an extra 20-30 minutes at 3rd & Pike in the morning for their destination bus. In the evening its waiting 20-30 min at the Link station. That’s during peak weekday hours, it could be an hour wait at night and on weekends. That is if the bus wasn’t stuck in Downtown traffic before it even gets to the South End.

  • anne

    Exactly ECB! The only way to get the East, West and South neighborhoods is more frequent service/circulators feeding the trains.

    Since there is no increase in frequency of routes to the stations, bus commuters who ride beyond downtown are stuck on the same route they used before. Unless they want to wait an extra 20-30 minutes at 3rd & Pike in the morning for their destination bus. In the evening its waiting 20-30 min at the Link station. That’s during peak weekday hours, it could be an hour wait at night and on weekends. That is if the bus wasn’t stuck in Downtown traffic before it even gets to the South End.

  • joshuadf

    ECB, I suppose it’s an interesting thought exercise to wonder what new bus service should be provided “leaving aside the fact that Metro is facing a $100 million shortfall,” but don’t ya think the recession is on their minds?

    Also, I looked through all the places the word “Station” appears on the Metro page, and it looks like a lot of the revisions “feed into the light rail system spine” to me.

    By the way, check out the “5/10 minute” circles on the KC InMotion maps (someone should update for Link, and mark good bike routes):
    http://your.kingcounty.gov/kcdot/transit/inmotion/

  • joshuadf

    ECB, I suppose it’s an interesting thought exercise to wonder what new bus service should be provided “leaving aside the fact that Metro is facing a $100 million shortfall,” but don’t ya think the recession is on their minds?

    Also, I looked through all the places the word “Station” appears on the Metro page, and it looks like a lot of the revisions “feed into the light rail system spine” to me.

    By the way, check out the “5/10 minute” circles on the KC InMotion maps (someone should update for Link, and mark good bike routes):
    http://your.kingcounty.gov/kcdot/transit/inmotion/

  • http://www.publicola.net/ ECB

    @10: The quarter-mile radius is a staple of TOD planning around the United States. I found a ton of studies and legislation citing this, but here are a few stats.
    Rail ridership falls off by 1.1 percent with every 100 feet from train stops: http://bit.ly/zjMMq
    About half of all transit riders walk less than a quarter-mile: http://bit.ly/lcY0O
    US government defines station areas as areas within a quarter-mile of a transit station: http://ntl.bts.gov/DOCS/GL.html

  • http://www.publicola.net ECB

    @10: The quarter-mile radius is a staple of TOD planning around the United States. I found a ton of studies and legislation citing this, but here are a few stats.
    Rail ridership falls off by 1.1 percent with every 100 feet from train stops: http://bit.ly/zjMMq
    About half of all transit riders walk less than a quarter-mile: http://bit.ly/lcY0O
    US government defines station areas as areas within a quarter-mile of a transit station: http://ntl.bts.gov/DOCS/GL.html

  • http://seattletransitblog.com/ Andrew
  • http://seattletransitblog.com Andrew
  • swatter

    ECB, I used to go to the UW and lived in Wallingford- a couple of blocks from Dicks. I would walk to and fro and had the lights timed on 45th.

    Yet, I hated the rain. I took a ride once in a particularly rainy day.

    Are we expecting people to daily walk a 1/4 mile to a half mile everyday for 40 years or so to the light rail station. Our weather is not like the rest of the country. BTW, my younger years were spent walking to and fro in severe Dakota winters and Washington rainy weather is a whole lot worse.

    I don’t know. There just has to be a solution somewhere.

  • swatter

    ECB, I used to go to the UW and lived in Wallingford- a couple of blocks from Dicks. I would walk to and fro and had the lights timed on 45th.

    Yet, I hated the rain. I took a ride once in a particularly rainy day.

    Are we expecting people to daily walk a 1/4 mile to a half mile everyday for 40 years or so to the light rail station. Our weather is not like the rest of the country. BTW, my younger years were spent walking to and fro in severe Dakota winters and Washington rainy weather is a whole lot worse.

    I don’t know. There just has to be a solution somewhere.

  • Anandakos

    Southeast Seattle has a severe topography problem in that Beacon Hill and the hill east of Rainier run north/south, resulting in few and fairly winding east-west arterials. It’s especially hard to get down from Beacon Hill.

    Plus, the area between I-5 and Lake Washington isn’t all that wide, so even if there were good arterials for development perpendicular to MLK they wouldn’t be very long. Thus the LRT doesn’t have a very large “catchment” zone to feed transferring riders.

    If the city wants the system to work it needs to suck it up and upzone the areas around the stations for multi-family mid-rise. That won’t be popular.

  • Anandakos

    Southeast Seattle has a severe topography problem in that Beacon Hill and the hill east of Rainier run north/south, resulting in few and fairly winding east-west arterials. It’s especially hard to get down from Beacon Hill.

    Plus, the area between I-5 and Lake Washington isn’t all that wide, so even if there were good arterials for development perpendicular to MLK they wouldn’t be very long. Thus the LRT doesn’t have a very large “catchment” zone to feed transferring riders.

    If the city wants the system to work it needs to suck it up and upzone the areas around the stations for multi-family mid-rise. That won’t be popular.