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The first online-only news site in state history to get media credentials to cover the state capitol and Seattle city hall, PubliCola has been called a “must-read” by the Seattle Post Intelligencer and a hot “New Media Mover and Shaker” by Seattle Magazine—which also cited our own Erica C. Barnett as the city's No. 1 news nerd.

I Misjudged Him

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1. PubliCola’s own Erica C. Barnett was the obvious winner at last night’s Friends of Seattle Mayoral debate.

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Barnett vs. mayoral candidates Norman Sigler and Jan Drago

Density, Metro, the head tax—the lady knows her shit. (It was also pretty dynamite when she shut down the guy in the audience who had a question/wanted to give a speech about Israel. Sorry lefty Seattle, but somebody’s gotta draw the line. Blaming Seattle’s transportation woes and budget crisis on AIPAC is even a little lulu for this town.)

But Erica’s not on the ballot. And she did have the unfair advantage—as moderator—of controlling the microphone in the packed (100 people) back room at Belltown’s Spitfire club.

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L-R: Mike Mann, Mike McGinn, James Donaldson, Jan Drago, Norman Sigler

(Photo by Johnathon Fitzpatrick)

2. With Erica disqualified, we have to declare the  person on stage who gave the second best performance of the night the winner: Sierra Club leader Mike McGinn.

In fact, McGinn—who wasn’t just tunnel sucks, tunnel sucks, tunnel sucks this time out, but added his parks levy victory “over the Mayor’s objections;” his “No” to roads “Yes” to light rail victory against Olympia; and a Green-neighbors-take-back-the-neighborhoods-from-NIMBY-neighbors rap to his talking points—even outwitted Barnett on a point or two.

Barnett tried to ridicule all the candidates by scoffing at their promises to improve bus and transit service when, as she pointed out to a cheering audience (mostly a bunch of wonks who were in on the minutia of local politics), that the mayor actually doesn’t have any control over transportation dollars. But McGinn shot back that Seattle currently has a mayor who made a green-house-gas-inducing tunnel along the waterfront a priority—and got $4.2 billion for it in Olympia. McGinn said, to cheers of his own, that if he were mayor, he would stop the tunnel, go to Olympia, and get that kind of money for mass transit instead.

3. McGinn was also impressing Peter Steinbrueck, the former (and mega popular) Seattle City Council Member. Steinbrueck, someone who’s clearly having second thoughts about bailing on that run-of-his-own for mayor, told me: “McGinn is right on the mark. I misjudged him after his kickoff [which featured an offpoint platform about shcools and broadband]. The more I hear him the more I like him.”

Steinbrueck, who I was lucky enough to be sitting next to, also had a lot to say about former Sonic-turned-mayoral-candidate, James Donaldson. And not in a good way. “It’s all about team work,” Steinbrueck would mock in a sarcastic whisper every time Donaldson was about to take the microphone to answer a question, and then, surprise, talk about team work.

Another person who was busting on Donaldson, was veteran Council Member and now-mayoral-candidate, Jan Drago. Drago boasted to me before going on stage that she was stealing donors from Donaldson, including Sonic legend, Wally Walker.

Okay, boasting about stealing donors from Donaldson—who only has about $7,000 on hand after being in the red for months— is like boasting about getting a medical degree from Bastyr—but it is true that Donaldson’s former teammate, starting forward Wally F. Walker, is on Drago’s list of contributors for the max $700. (Drago gleefully held up seven fingers when I asked her how much Walker was in for.) But I see Walker’s name on Donaldson’s list too, having topped out at $700, with a second $450 donation to Donaldson after making his contribution to Drago.

Weirdly, on Drago’s list, Walker identifies himself as an executive with the Basketball Club of Seattle while on Donaldson’s list, Walker identifies himself as a portfolio manager with Hana Road Partners.

4. Matchmaker-tured-mayoral-candidate, Norman Sigler, drew the biggest cheers of the night by saying he was all for density and development, but was put off by “piss poor design”—expressing bewilderment that all the creative architects in Seattle can’t seem to do condos right.

5. T-Mobile executive Joe Mallahan wasn’t at the debate (he sent word late in the day that he had a family emergency), but he was on KUOW earlier in the day—where this revelation came out at the end of the show: The self-proclaimed “progressive” and “Obama activist” worked for former Washington Republican Sen. Slade Gorton briefly as a young man.

6. Mayor Nickels wasn’t at the debate either. He was in Washington, D.C. yesterday meeting with President Obama. Nickels’ environmental policy director Mike Mann came in Nickels’ place drawing skepticism from some in the crowd who wondered if Mann was on the clock—using city money to campaign. (That’s unlikely, given that the debate was after hours.)

The more pertinent smart alec question I heard was this: If Nickels had asked Mann to be there, did Mann’s donation—an in-kind contribution of time—constitute a violation of the new city rule that candidates cannot ask city employees for contributions?


  • J David

    I was at the PubliCola event last night, and couldn’t agree more, Josh. Erica was damned good, but Mike McGinn stole the show. He was so clearly head and shoulders above the rest – in his grasp of the issues, in his articulation of those issues, and in his ability to connect with the crowd. Maybe it’s because the rest of the line up is just so “piss poor”, but he looked like someone I’d like to have running my city.

  • J David

    I was at the PubliCola event last night, and couldn’t agree more, Josh. Erica was damned good, but Mike McGinn stole the show. He was so clearly head and shoulders above the rest – in his grasp of the issues, in his articulation of those issues, and in his ability to connect with the crowd. Maybe it’s because the rest of the line up is just so “piss poor”, but he looked like someone I’d like to have running my city.

  • swatter

    Two good posts in the past two days ruined by potty mouth. This was one of them.

    Very cool reporting.

    Will these progressive issues be the issues the voters vote on? The economy is worse than Obama and Gregoire is telling us, the Navy is pulling out of Everett (read Seattle entertainment dollars) and Boeing has all but boarded the plane out of town. Is it time to resurrect that old 1960s and early 1970s slogan, “will the last person out of Seattle, please turn out the lights”?

    I don’t know. It just seems the current candidates are reactionary instead of proaction.

  • swatter

    Two good posts in the past two days ruined by potty mouth. This was one of them.

    Very cool reporting.

    Will these progressive issues be the issues the voters vote on? The economy is worse than Obama and Gregoire is telling us, the Navy is pulling out of Everett (read Seattle entertainment dollars) and Boeing has all but boarded the plane out of town. Is it time to resurrect that old 1960s and early 1970s slogan, “will the last person out of Seattle, please turn out the lights”?

    I don’t know. It just seems the current candidates are reactionary instead of proaction.

  • eddiew

    Erica, point two: Seattle has much to do with local transit service; they control lane configuration and curb space and signal timing. In 2001, Nickels’ platform included BRT on Aurora. Seattle is spending Bridging the Gap funds on transit service and transit priority measures. Nickels has done pretty well; McGinn promises to do better.

  • eddiew

    Erica, point two: Seattle has much to do with local transit service; they control lane configuration and curb space and signal timing. In 2001, Nickels’ platform included BRT on Aurora. Seattle is spending Bridging the Gap funds on transit service and transit priority measures. Nickels has done pretty well; McGinn promises to do better.

  • 5c

    I’m with Steinbrueck. Every time I see McGinn he manages to impress me. Very very smart dude, yet still cuddly. I can definitely see him running the city and would be excited to see what he could get done.

  • 5c

    I’m with Steinbrueck. Every time I see McGinn he manages to impress me. Very very smart dude, yet still cuddly. I can definitely see him running the city and would be excited to see what he could get done.

  • http://www.dougsdoodles.com/ DOUG.

    Agreed: Erica and McGinn were the winners. But only at a yuppie bar in Seattle could you have a 90 minute mayoral forum with almost zero discussion of the police force (the use of which has been “piss poor” during the Nickels administration).

  • http://www.dougsdoodles.com DOUG.

    Agreed: Erica and McGinn were the winners. But only at a yuppie bar in Seattle could you have a 90 minute mayoral forum with almost zero discussion of the police force (the use of which has been “piss poor” during the Nickels administration).

  • J.R.

    Just in case you were serious about the Mike Mann question–volunteers can donate as much time to a campaign as they want.

  • J.R.

    Just in case you were serious about the Mike Mann question–volunteers can donate as much time to a campaign as they want.

  • Strong Left

    The new city rule is ridiculous. Of course the Mayor’s official staff supports his reelection, and if they wish to campaign on his behalf, that’s their right. It’s one thing to prevent elected officials from asking frontline workers, but their personal staffs?

  • Strong Left

    The new city rule is ridiculous. Of course the Mayor’s official staff supports his reelection, and if they wish to campaign on his behalf, that’s their right. It’s one thing to prevent elected officials from asking frontline workers, but their personal staffs?

  • Pass

    This feels like those old pharmacutical commercials that looked like news reports that ran during the news but were actually advertisements (in this case for mcginn). Such softball! You could at least pretend you haven’t endorsed him yet!

    What he’s running on: a ballot measure that was doomed to fail anyway (roads and transit), a ballot measure that was sure to win anyway (parks), a ballot measure he didn’t really work on (mass transit now), and an issue he doesn’t really control (the tunnel).

    Josh – let’s see some investigating. Call the Seattle delegation and the governor and talk to them about mcginn’s plan for the tunnel. And the density – let’s see some specifics. Where? How dense?

  • Pass

    This feels like those old pharmacutical commercials that looked like news reports that ran during the news but were actually advertisements (in this case for mcginn). Such softball! You could at least pretend you haven’t endorsed him yet!

    What he’s running on: a ballot measure that was doomed to fail anyway (roads and transit), a ballot measure that was sure to win anyway (parks), a ballot measure he didn’t really work on (mass transit now), and an issue he doesn’t really control (the tunnel).

    Josh – let’s see some investigating. Call the Seattle delegation and the governor and talk to them about mcginn’s plan for the tunnel. And the density – let’s see some specifics. Where? How dense?

  • http://unclevinny.wordpress.com/ Uncle Vinny

    So glad that McGinn has switched away from the schools/broadband stuff. That didn’t make any sense to me.

  • Newsjunky

    I’ve got to hand it to him, McGinn was indeed the winning candidate last night. Excellent grasp of the issues and fun to listen to.

  • http://unclevinny.wordpress.com Uncle Vinny

    So glad that McGinn has switched away from the schools/broadband stuff. That didn’t make any sense to me.

  • Newsjunky

    I’ve got to hand it to him, McGinn was indeed the winning candidate last night. Excellent grasp of the issues and fun to listen to.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @5,
    The reason the forum didn’t address police issues (or lots of other things for that matter, like City Light, or annexation, or the jail) is because it was a Friends of Seattle forum. Their issues are mainly the environment and growth—what you would consider “yuppie” issues, I guess

    McGinn won the endorsement in the 37th District, the S. Seattle district that is more concerned with the real, or, what you would consider manly man issues, I guess.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @5,
    The reason the forum didn’t address police issues (or lots of other things for that matter, like City Light, or annexation, or the jail) is because it was a Friends of Seattle forum. Their issues are mainly the environment and growth—what you would consider “yuppie” issues, I guess

    McGinn won the endorsement in the 37th District, the S. Seattle district that is more concerned with the real, or, what you would consider manly man issues, I guess.

  • Derek

    Our choices for Mayor:

    -The Incumbent.

    -A woman who, by every measure, is just like The Incumbent except a little more conservative.

    -A man who has been totally absent from public discourse in Seattle, who’s only platform thus far consists of the controversial position of being against both snow and crime, and who is only relevant because of his own personal wealth.

    -A guy who clearly knows what he’s talking about, was the local head of a major and respected environmental organization, has spent two decades working for the betterment of Seattle, and who rides his freaking bike to get around instead of being chauffeured in a big, black SUV.

    When you put these guys in a room together and listen to them speak, McGinn is always going to come out on top. He’s clearly the candidate that best represents Seattle’s values, and he’s clearly in the race because he’s passionate about making the city a better place. Seattle would be lucky to have him at the helm.

  • Derek

    Our choices for Mayor:

    -The Incumbent.

    -A woman who, by every measure, is just like The Incumbent except a little more conservative.

    -A man who has been totally absent from public discourse in Seattle, who’s only platform thus far consists of the controversial position of being against both snow and crime, and who is only relevant because of his own personal wealth.

    -A guy who clearly knows what he’s talking about, was the local head of a major and respected environmental organization, has spent two decades working for the betterment of Seattle, and who rides his freaking bike to get around instead of being chauffeured in a big, black SUV.

    When you put these guys in a room together and listen to them speak, McGinn is always going to come out on top. He’s clearly the candidate that best represents Seattle’s values, and he’s clearly in the race because he’s passionate about making the city a better place. Seattle would be lucky to have him at the helm.

  • fredster

    Reading between the lines; it seems like Donaldson is starting to worry some people with his potential to grab the second spot in the primary. Nobody criticizes, or notices, 2nd tier candidates and here you have both Drago and Steinbrueck carping on him.

  • fredster

    Reading between the lines; it seems like Donaldson is starting to worry some people with his potential to grab the second spot in the primary. Nobody criticizes, or notices, 2nd tier candidates and here you have both Drago and Steinbrueck carping on him.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @13,
    I agree. Donaldson has undergone a transformation thanks to his consultant Cindi Laws, who has him backing away from his conservative image and going negative. Both ploys have given him some momentum and attention.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @13,
    I agree. Donaldson has undergone a transformation thanks to his consultant Cindi Laws, who has him backing away from his conservative image and going negative. Both ploys have given him some momentum and attention.

  • rtm

    @8 – Your comments sound like talking points. My recollection is that roads and transit was very contested, and the establishment told Seattle that it had better take what was on the table or it would get nothing (Josh and Erica, please correct me if I am wrong). Or perhaps your point is that, on two issues central to Seattle’s livability, Nickles and Drago took positions that were, even at the time, dead losers, and bad for Seattle. It seems more likely that they were playing politics with the city’s future and trying to gather political capital by playing the safe hand.

    But lets assume you are right, and that it was obvious to everyone that Nickles and Drago were wrong – are you saying that none of the other candidates had enough insight to identify those “obvious” issues and get a head start on running for Mayor, or that they were not even involved enough with civic issues to be bothered to identify “obvious” issues such as this?

    You can’t have it both ways. Either McGinn took on tough fights on important issues and won, or he was the only candidate sufficiently involved in these issues over the last several years to identify them as winners. Either way, it sets him apart as the truly qualified candidate.

  • rtm

    @8 – Your comments sound like talking points. My recollection is that roads and transit was very contested, and the establishment told Seattle that it had better take what was on the table or it would get nothing (Josh and Erica, please correct me if I am wrong). Or perhaps your point is that, on two issues central to Seattle’s livability, Nickles and Drago took positions that were, even at the time, dead losers, and bad for Seattle. It seems more likely that they were playing politics with the city’s future and trying to gather political capital by playing the safe hand.

    But lets assume you are right, and that it was obvious to everyone that Nickles and Drago were wrong – are you saying that none of the other candidates had enough insight to identify those “obvious” issues and get a head start on running for Mayor, or that they were not even involved enough with civic issues to be bothered to identify “obvious” issues such as this?

    You can’t have it both ways. Either McGinn took on tough fights on important issues and won, or he was the only candidate sufficiently involved in these issues over the last several years to identify them as winners. Either way, it sets him apart as the truly qualified candidate.

  • dacoach

    your man crush on peter is only thinly veiled.

    that guy needs to decide whether he’s in or out. let me guess…it wasn’t by accident that he wound up sitting next to you.

  • dacoach

    your man crush on peter is only thinly veiled.

    that guy needs to decide whether he’s in or out. let me guess…it wasn’t by accident that he wound up sitting next to you.

  • http://twitter.com/FriendsSeattle Friends of Seattle

    Video of last night’s debate is posted at

    http://friendsofseattle.blip.tv/

  • Gidge

    I agree that Mann probably wasn’t being paid to be there last night, in that I assume he’s salaried, and considered that his personal time. The question was how he represented his presence there last night–and I must admit that I zoned out during the intro. I think it’s permissible under the ethics rules for a city employee to volunteer on a campaign on their own time, provided they’re clear that they’re appearing as a private citizen. I think the city’s ethics rules (http://www.seattle.gov/ethics/etpub/emppolactfaq.htm) prohibit advocating for a candidate or ballot measure in ones official capacity.

    I think the real thing to be worried about when it comes to Donaldson’s candidacy is the fact that he’s still a contender. He was really unimpressive when it came to his grasp on the issues. His answer on the head tax issue was scripted (literally–he was reading his answer), and it didn’t seem like he understood his talking points enough to go beyond the surface.

  • http://www.jandragoformayor.com/ I agree with Pass

    Yeah, uh talk about softball lobs.. geez

    Friends of Seattle already endorsed McGinn internally – months ago, and that particular crowd is perfect for his particular angle: young, uber-green, and super-progresive, bizarrely anti-business, very pro-density/urban, Gen-x.

    Read: NOT representative of Seattle in general. And certainly not of the voting population here. Sorry, but McGinn’s not going to get through the primary.

    This was a good event, sure, but since Friends of Seattle gave McGinn the wink wink to pander to his own peeps, duh he seemed like the winner of the debate.

  • http://twitter.com/FriendsSeattle Friends of Seattle

    Video of last night’s debate is posted at

    http://friendsofseattle.blip.tv/

  • Gidge

    I agree that Mann probably wasn’t being paid to be there last night, in that I assume he’s salaried, and considered that his personal time. The question was how he represented his presence there last night–and I must admit that I zoned out during the intro. I think it’s permissible under the ethics rules for a city employee to volunteer on a campaign on their own time, provided they’re clear that they’re appearing as a private citizen. I think the city’s ethics rules (http://www.seattle.gov/ethics/etpub/emppolactfaq.htm) prohibit advocating for a candidate or ballot measure in ones official capacity.

    I think the real thing to be worried about when it comes to Donaldson’s candidacy is the fact that he’s still a contender. He was really unimpressive when it came to his grasp on the issues. His answer on the head tax issue was scripted (literally–he was reading his answer), and it didn’t seem like he understood his talking points enough to go beyond the surface.

  • http://www.jandragoformayor.com I agree with Pass

    Yeah, uh talk about softball lobs.. geez

    Friends of Seattle already endorsed McGinn internally – months ago, and that particular crowd is perfect for his particular angle: young, uber-green, and super-progresive, bizarrely anti-business, very pro-density/urban, Gen-x.

    Read: NOT representative of Seattle in general. And certainly not of the voting population here. Sorry, but McGinn’s not going to get through the primary.

    This was a good event, sure, but since Friends of Seattle gave McGinn the wink wink to pander to his own peeps, duh he seemed like the winner of the debate.

  • http://carfreeusa.blogspot.com/ Aphorism153

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    J’aime ECB!!

  • http://www.dougsdoodles.com/ DOUG.

    Josh@5: Thanks for the clarification. I’d checked the Friends of Seattle events calendar on their website yesterday, but it hadn’t been updated for about a year, so I didn’t know that growth and transportation would be the focus of the forum.

    That being said, growth and Nickels’ (mis)use of the police force to crack down on “nuisance” issues seem to go hand-in-hand. And I’m not sure that only “manly men” need to be concerned about this, but thanks for the compliment.

  • http://www.dougsdoodles.com DOUG.

    Josh@5: Thanks for the clarification. I’d checked the Friends of Seattle events calendar on their website yesterday, but it hadn’t been updated for about a year, so I didn’t know that growth and transportation would be the focus of the forum.

    That being said, growth and Nickels’ (mis)use of the police force to crack down on “nuisance” issues seem to go hand-in-hand. And I’m not sure that only “manly men” need to be concerned about this, but thanks for the compliment.

  • Trevor

    “he would stop the tunnel, go to Olympia, and get that kind of money for mass transit instead.”

    It was my impression that “surface/ transit” was always a misnomer– utopian or dishonest. While in a perfect world we would have billions at the ready to pour into mass transit, the state is broke and money devoted to a tunnel or retrofit is earmarked roads-only. Is this right? I say this as an opponent of the tunnel, and someone who would like to see billions go to mass transit, but don’t want to be lied to.

  • Trevor

    “he would stop the tunnel, go to Olympia, and get that kind of money for mass transit instead.”

    It was my impression that “surface/ transit” was always a misnomer– utopian or dishonest. While in a perfect world we would have billions at the ready to pour into mass transit, the state is broke and money devoted to a tunnel or retrofit is earmarked roads-only. Is this right? I say this as an opponent of the tunnel, and someone who would like to see billions go to mass transit, but don’t want to be lied to.

  • Trevor

    @5 & 11: Not only is there zero talk about police issues this election, but there was zero talk about it in 2007 too. And that was a time when one scandal after another was front page news on both dailies, forcing politicians to respond. The issue hasn’t gotten any traction in Seattle electoral politics in at least a decade (since the WTO). It’s not a question of which bar you were in or which LD– very few people care right now, across the board. No one is talking about it.

    Not to say people aren’t doing good work on police accountability in Seattle. But without a civilian review board, the real battles for justice are in the courts: where citizens’ civil rights still theoretically count for something, where proceedings take place in the open, and where police officer testimony is subject to cross-examination by victims’ advocates and scrutiny by citizen juries.

    The City has decided it would rather pay cash settlements to victims of police brutality than challenge the SPD’s culture of impunity and invest in a process to discipline cops who violate citizens’ civil rights. That’s the way it will be until someone dies, and maybe even after that too.

  • Trevor

    @5 & 11: Not only is there zero talk about police issues this election, but there was zero talk about it in 2007 too. And that was a time when one scandal after another was front page news on both dailies, forcing politicians to respond. The issue hasn’t gotten any traction in Seattle electoral politics in at least a decade (since the WTO). It’s not a question of which bar you were in or which LD– very few people care right now, across the board. No one is talking about it.

    Not to say people aren’t doing good work on police accountability in Seattle. But without a civilian review board, the real battles for justice are in the courts: where citizens’ civil rights still theoretically count for something, where proceedings take place in the open, and where police officer testimony is subject to cross-examination by victims’ advocates and scrutiny by citizen juries.

    The City has decided it would rather pay cash settlements to victims of police brutality than challenge the SPD’s culture of impunity and invest in a process to discipline cops who violate citizens’ civil rights. That’s the way it will be until someone dies, and maybe even after that too.

  • truth be told

    indded, this forum was at a yuppy downtown Seatle bar attended mostly by enviro, politcal wonks – NOT your average Seattle voter. So, props to Friends of Seattle for setting it up for McGinn to win since they already endorsed him, but let’s have a “real” debate on all issues!

  • J.R.

    @22: Yes, the state tunnel money is gas tax money and its use is restricted to roads. Mike’s talking utopia, not reality.

  • truth be told

    indded, this forum was at a yuppy downtown Seatle bar attended mostly by enviro, politcal wonks – NOT your average Seattle voter. So, props to Friends of Seattle for setting it up for McGinn to win since they already endorsed him, but let’s have a “real” debate on all issues!

  • J.R.

    @22: Yes, the state tunnel money is gas tax money and its use is restricted to roads. Mike’s talking utopia, not reality.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @24,
    Thanks Sarah Palin. And Obama wasn’t supposed to win “Real” Virginia either.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @24,
    Thanks Sarah Palin. And Obama wasn’t supposed to win “Real” Virginia either.

  • Jessica

    I appreciate the efforts to divide Seattle into voters who matter and voters who don’t. Particularly coming from a candidate who “emphasizes her ability to bring people together.”

  • Jessica

    I appreciate the efforts to divide Seattle into voters who matter and voters who don’t. Particularly coming from a candidate who “emphasizes her ability to bring people together.”

  • Giffy

    $4.2 billion for it in Olympia. McGinn said, to cheers of his own, that if he were mayor, he would stop the tunnel, go to Olympia, and get that kind of money for mass transit instead.

    Uh-huh. Does he think that is even remotely possible? Does he grasp the concept of dedicated revenue streams?

    Sorry but that is about as pie in the sky as it comes.

    McGinn in the Ron Paul of the mayoral election. He says things that appeal to small dedicated group of followers, but will not make it far in the election.

    He should stick with what he does best, outside agitation and interest group involvement.

  • Giffy

    $4.2 billion for it in Olympia. McGinn said, to cheers of his own, that if he were mayor, he would stop the tunnel, go to Olympia, and get that kind of money for mass transit instead.

    Uh-huh. Does he think that is even remotely possible? Does he grasp the concept of dedicated revenue streams?

    Sorry but that is about as pie in the sky as it comes.

    McGinn in the Ron Paul of the mayoral election. He says things that appeal to small dedicated group of followers, but will not make it far in the election.

    He should stick with what he does best, outside agitation and interest group involvement.

  • Allison Roundtree

    What is wrong with teamwork? So Peter Steinbrueck is now a pansy for not having the gonads to run against Nickels himself?

    What is this slathering support for Steinbrueck anyway? Perhaps if he’d had any sense of teamwork, he could have cobbled together 5 votes to stand up to Nickels. After all, Steinbrueck was council PRESIDENT for most of Nickels’ first term, and he couldn’t build a team of 3. That’s why he was such a failure. Popular, but a failure nonetheless.

  • Allison Roundtree

    What is wrong with teamwork? So Peter Steinbrueck is now a pansy for not having the gonads to run against Nickels himself?

    What is this slathering support for Steinbrueck anyway? Perhaps if he’d had any sense of teamwork, he could have cobbled together 5 votes to stand up to Nickels. After all, Steinbrueck was council PRESIDENT for most of Nickels’ first term, and he couldn’t build a team of 3. That’s why he was such a failure. Popular, but a failure nonetheless.

  • Elliott

    @28

    Couple things: yeah, McGinn has a dedicated group of followers. That’s not really a good criticism of a candidate.

    As for Ron Paul, what a dumb comparison. Please cut that out: name calling is not analysis.

    On the tunnel issue: a yearlong process produced a workable I5/Surface/Transit option that WSDOT and SDOT approved. McGinn plans to return to that option, which state authorities have already vetted and which would include ample funding for local transit. Nothing pie in the sky about that.

  • Elliott

    @28

    Couple things: yeah, McGinn has a dedicated group of followers. That’s not really a good criticism of a candidate.

    As for Ron Paul, what a dumb comparison. Please cut that out: name calling is not analysis.

    On the tunnel issue: a yearlong process produced a workable I5/Surface/Transit option that WSDOT and SDOT approved. McGinn plans to return to that option, which state authorities have already vetted and which would include ample funding for local transit. Nothing pie in the sky about that.

  • http://www.jandragoformayor.com/ I agree with Pass

    @26, @27 You’re misunderstanding. What’s being said is that this particular sample of attendees isn’t necessarily represntative of the broader population of Seattle, ie it’s more of a lefty niche market.

    While that’s fine and I’m very progressive myself, this is a democracy and the greater voting population will not put in office someone who is politically left of so many Seattleites. That’s my bet. Even if he is helped by groups like FoS who secretly endorse early and where the board is all volunteering on the campaign…

    It’s exactly the same as if last night had been Young Repubs meeting and McGinn and Sigler had been booed off the stage.

  • http://www.jandragoformayor.com I agree with Pass

    @26, @27 You’re misunderstanding. What’s being said is that this particular sample of attendees isn’t necessarily represntative of the broader population of Seattle, ie it’s more of a lefty niche market.

    While that’s fine and I’m very progressive myself, this is a democracy and the greater voting population will not put in office someone who is politically left of so many Seattleites. That’s my bet. Even if he is helped by groups like FoS who secretly endorse early and where the board is all volunteering on the campaign…

    It’s exactly the same as if last night had been Young Repubs meeting and McGinn and Sigler had been booed off the stage.

  • jenster

    Elliot – good luck convincing the governor.

    Josh- i wonder what would happen if parks would of gone this year instead of last year? I think that maybe we could of asked for more money in total although it would of been a tougher campaign because of the economy. That said a low turnout and a popular issue would of made it through.

    Also Josh can u confirm mike mcginns role in the 08 mass transit campaign. I remember running into Mike Obrien a fewe times passing out stickers. Josh you would know you worked on that campaign.

  • jenster

    Elliot – good luck convincing the governor.

    Josh- i wonder what would happen if parks would of gone this year instead of last year? I think that maybe we could of asked for more money in total although it would of been a tougher campaign because of the economy. That said a low turnout and a popular issue would of made it through.

    Also Josh can u confirm mike mcginns role in the 08 mass transit campaign. I remember running into Mike Obrien a fewe times passing out stickers. Josh you would know you worked on that campaign.

  • Giffy

    @30 Its not an insult.

    Paul built a pretty impressive group of followers who spent a lot of time attempting to build buzz online and in comment threads. I am not sure that is all that different from what I have seen McGinn’s followers doing.

    He also had a hard time turning that into broad appeal as his ideas were not that popular. This seems to apply to McGinn as well who has not seen much movement in poll numbers.

    As for the surface option, it was not near 4.5 billion, which was what he was saying he could get for transit.

  • Giffy

    @30 Its not an insult.

    Paul built a pretty impressive group of followers who spent a lot of time attempting to build buzz online and in comment threads. I am not sure that is all that different from what I have seen McGinn’s followers doing.

    He also had a hard time turning that into broad appeal as his ideas were not that popular. This seems to apply to McGinn as well who has not seen much movement in poll numbers.

    As for the surface option, it was not near 4.5 billion, which was what he was saying he could get for transit.

  • truth be told

    Josh, I’m compared to Sarah Palin because I point out an obvious fact and you comparing McGinn to Obama is laughable. I mean, I have nothing against McGinn “I like Mike” and I “Bike” just like Mike but how does that qualify him to be Mayor?

  • truth be told

    Josh, I’m compared to Sarah Palin because I point out an obvious fact and you comparing McGinn to Obama is laughable. I mean, I have nothing against McGinn “I like Mike” and I “Bike” just like Mike but how does that qualify him to be Mayor?

  • asdf

    “the broader population of Seattle”

    Who is this “silent majority” of “real” Seattle? If you mean the Seattle Times editorial board, they all live on the Eastside, nursing their man-crushes on Dave Reichert.

  • asdf

    “the broader population of Seattle”

    Who is this “silent majority” of “real” Seattle? If you mean the Seattle Times editorial board, they all live on the Eastside, nursing their man-crushes on Dave Reichert.

  • Ask Real Questions

    I agree McGinn came across best last night, and a lot of it had to do with the answer you referenced in the post, where he also said that as mayor he would have access to “tools” to block the tunnel. He also frequently mentioned that the $932 million city-share of tunnel financing was too much and that eliminating it would free up money for other projects. Again, I agree.

    So, I asked him post-event
    1) what “tools” was he referring to?
    2) how much he thinks the city should pay to replace the viaduct?
    I got the brush off on both answers. (when i pressed on question 2 i was told “more than zero, less than $930 million.)

    Since so much of his campaign seems to be about blocking the tunnel and using the savings on other projects, I think these are pretty legitimate questions. And I’d love to see them asked by someone who McGinn can’t just brush off.

    Still, to be clear, I think McGinn is the best of the bunch and it showed last night.

  • Ask Real Questions

    I agree McGinn came across best last night, and a lot of it had to do with the answer you referenced in the post, where he also said that as mayor he would have access to “tools” to block the tunnel. He also frequently mentioned that the $932 million city-share of tunnel financing was too much and that eliminating it would free up money for other projects. Again, I agree.

    So, I asked him post-event
    1) what “tools” was he referring to?
    2) how much he thinks the city should pay to replace the viaduct?
    I got the brush off on both answers. (when i pressed on question 2 i was told “more than zero, less than $930 million.)

    Since so much of his campaign seems to be about blocking the tunnel and using the savings on other projects, I think these are pretty legitimate questions. And I’d love to see them asked by someone who McGinn can’t just brush off.

    Still, to be clear, I think McGinn is the best of the bunch and it showed last night.

  • abc

    The only candidate besides Nickels with money is Mallahan. I’m sure we’ll be seeing his cable ads soon.

    I’m betting he will focus on the mismanagement at SDOT and this administration in general. I’m hoping he’ll call for a cleaning out of the top management there. I hope he will call for returning management to people that have training in street construction and management.

    The city worker contributions will be an issue and the fact that top directors dependent on Nickels for their jobs are pouring money into his campaign should be covered by the press. A list of salaries and amount of donation would be instructive.

  • abc

    The only candidate besides Nickels with money is Mallahan. I’m sure we’ll be seeing his cable ads soon.

    I’m betting he will focus on the mismanagement at SDOT and this administration in general. I’m hoping he’ll call for a cleaning out of the top management there. I hope he will call for returning management to people that have training in street construction and management.

    The city worker contributions will be an issue and the fact that top directors dependent on Nickels for their jobs are pouring money into his campaign should be covered by the press. A list of salaries and amount of donation would be instructive.

  • Dj

    Erika does know more about issues than the majority of the candidates there last night (i would say nickels and drago probably know their stuff) that should tell you about how unready these guys are for the job. mcginn included. he may be good at talking about his issues (not all issues) but he does not have the know-how.

  • Dj

    Erika does know more about issues than the majority of the candidates there last night (i would say nickels and drago probably know their stuff) that should tell you about how unready these guys are for the job. mcginn included. he may be good at talking about his issues (not all issues) but he does not have the know-how.

  • Erik

    I too was at the event last night and thought Erika did a great job as well. I was one of the few non McGinn supporters in the crowd. I had not (and have not) made up my mind on any candidate. The surprise of the night for me was Sigler’s performance. He was very knowledgeable and reasonable in his responses. Calling the Head Tax the Commuter Tax which was the intent was refreshing. You could clearly see his passion for the city. I need to learn more about him. Maybe my expectations were low for the entire lot. McGinn was obsessed on the one issue of the tunnel. His comments about youth violence and density were not very substantive. Drago seemed to know more wonkish details but could not communicate them well at all. Her obvious sucking up to Steinbruck was too much. Donaldson is a likeable character but not very knowledgeable about the issues. Good event though.

  • Erik

    I too was at the event last night and thought Erika did a great job as well. I was one of the few non McGinn supporters in the crowd. I had not (and have not) made up my mind on any candidate. The surprise of the night for me was Sigler’s performance. He was very knowledgeable and reasonable in his responses. Calling the Head Tax the Commuter Tax which was the intent was refreshing. You could clearly see his passion for the city. I need to learn more about him. Maybe my expectations were low for the entire lot. McGinn was obsessed on the one issue of the tunnel. His comments about youth violence and density were not very substantive. Drago seemed to know more wonkish details but could not communicate them well at all. Her obvious sucking up to Steinbruck was too much. Donaldson is a likeable character but not very knowledgeable about the issues. Good event though.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @39,

    Thanks for the reminder about Sigler’s “commuter tax” spin.

    I was struck by that as well. Good moment for him. But I forgot to note it in the post.

  • http://publicola.net/ Josh Feit

    @39,

    Thanks for the reminder about Sigler’s “commuter tax” spin.

    I was struck by that as well. Good moment for him. But I forgot to note it in the post.

  • Voter

    “top directors dependent on Nickels for their jobs are pouring money into his campaign [which] should be covered by the press”–

    really?

    Which top managers are those? Facts please.

  • Voter

    “top directors dependent on Nickels for their jobs are pouring money into his campaign [which] should be covered by the press”–

    really?

    Which top managers are those? Facts please.

  • http://www.dougsdoodles.com/ DOUG.

    When Erica asked the candidates last night what bus they’d take to work, James Donaldson wrote down the #36. The 36 serves downtown, Beacon Hill and Rainier Beach. Doesn’t Donaldson live in Magnolia and work in Mill Creek?

  • Dj

    @37

    Maybe they should also write about how the Mayor has significantly more people financially supporting him than anyone else…just a thought.

    Goldy had a fun dig today at Dyk today about Malahan.

    http://www.haseattle.com/

  • http://www.dougsdoodles.com DOUG.

    When Erica asked the candidates last night what bus they’d take to work, James Donaldson wrote down the #36. The 36 serves downtown, Beacon Hill and Rainier Beach. Doesn’t Donaldson live in Magnolia and work in Mill Creek?

  • Dj

    @37

    Maybe they should also write about how the Mayor has significantly more people financially supporting him than anyone else…just a thought.

    Goldy had a fun dig today at Dyk today about Malahan.

    http://www.haseattle.com/

  • abc

    Don’t have time for entire list but here’s a start.

    Link to Ethics and elections:

    http://www2.ci.seattle.wa.us/ethics/searchlist/lists.asp?elcycle=el09a&hidRetrieve=VIEW_CONTRIBUTIONS&version2=YES&cbCampaign149=On

    $750 Michael K Killoren City of Seattle
    Executive Director 2/28/09

    $750 Adrienne E Quinn City of Seattle
    Director 6/6/09

    $725 Regina LaBelle City of Seattle
    Attorney 3/1/08

    $700 Richard B Vincent City of Seattle
    Info Technol Professional

    $700 Dwight D Dively City of Seattle
    Finance Director
    $700 Julien C Loh City of Seattle
    Policy Advisor
    $700 Viet Quoc Shelton City of Seattle
    Community Outreach Currently Campaign Manager

  • abc

    Don’t have time for entire list but here’s a start.

    Link to Ethics and elections:

    http://www2.ci.seattle.wa.us/ethics/searchlist/lists.asp?elcycle=el09a&hidRetrieve=VIEW_CONTRIBUTIONS&version2=YES&cbCampaign149=On

    $750 Michael K Killoren City of Seattle
    Executive Director 2/28/09

    $750 Adrienne E Quinn City of Seattle
    Director 6/6/09

    $725 Regina LaBelle City of Seattle
    Attorney 3/1/08

    $700 Richard B Vincent City of Seattle
    Info Technol Professional

    $700 Dwight D Dively City of Seattle
    Finance Director
    $700 Julien C Loh City of Seattle
    Policy Advisor
    $700 Viet Quoc Shelton City of Seattle
    Community Outreach Currently Campaign Manager

  • Where is Spock

    @ 44 – who cares!

  • Where is Spock

    @ 44 – who cares!

  • abc

    #41 asked

  • abc

    #41 asked

  • Will in Seattle

    As to the lack of questions re Police – my guess is those are being saved for the City Attorney ….

  • Will in Seattle

    As to the lack of questions re Police – my guess is those are being saved for the City Attorney ….

  • Will in Seattle

    rtm is right that @8 has a diff view of what happened – it was very very difficult to turn that one around – as I recall I got into some near verbal fights with a few county and state electeds over that GWG-increasing boondoggle and they literally did not believe we could kill the RoadsPlusSomeTransit and come back with a TransitAndNoneOfThoseRoads plan.

    Mike McGinn was very involved in that, but was very good both at the symbolism and vision parts as well as effective leadership that delegates and guides. Frequently enviro battles become circle-sniping events where people nitpick – he kept the diverse groups behind that on track and under budget.

  • Uncle Bob

    mcginn was impressive in some regards but he strikes me as a real innocent on the tunnel. and as for erica, could the girl cult squeals have gotten any louder?

  • Will in Seattle

    rtm is right that @8 has a diff view of what happened – it was very very difficult to turn that one around – as I recall I got into some near verbal fights with a few county and state electeds over that GWG-increasing boondoggle and they literally did not believe we could kill the RoadsPlusSomeTransit and come back with a TransitAndNoneOfThoseRoads plan.

    Mike McGinn was very involved in that, but was very good both at the symbolism and vision parts as well as effective leadership that delegates and guides. Frequently enviro battles become circle-sniping events where people nitpick – he kept the diverse groups behind that on track and under budget.

  • Uncle Bob

    mcginn was impressive in some regards but he strikes me as a real innocent on the tunnel. and as for erica, could the girl cult squeals have gotten any louder?

  • joshuadf

    Just a thought, maybe the state could spend billions of the gas tax money on state highways like SR-522 (Lake City Way) that need work anyway? You know, like HOV lanes and physically separated bike lanes?

  • joshuadf

    Just a thought, maybe the state could spend billions of the gas tax money on state highways like SR-522 (Lake City Way) that need work anyway? You know, like HOV lanes and physically separated bike lanes?

  • Will in Seattle

    and as to Donaldson, I’ve noticed he doesn’t appear to do as well in these forums as he does on the ground – his support in the non-white parts of the city is amazingly high, and he literally has people lined up to say they’re voting for him and taking lit from him without being handed it. It’s kind of scary, but political circles probably are not seeing it going on, as it doesn’t happen in their sphere.

    Part of it may be he’s far more relaxed when he’s at parties and knocking on doors.

  • Will in Seattle

    and as to Donaldson, I’ve noticed he doesn’t appear to do as well in these forums as he does on the ground – his support in the non-white parts of the city is amazingly high, and he literally has people lined up to say they’re voting for him and taking lit from him without being handed it. It’s kind of scary, but political circles probably are not seeing it going on, as it doesn’t happen in their sphere.

    Part of it may be he’s far more relaxed when he’s at parties and knocking on doors.

  • Giffy

    @44 So people who work with Nickels think he doing a good job. That seems like a positive. Unless there was some kind of threat directed at them to donate, city employees have the same rights as the rest of us to participate in the political process using their own time and money.

    Find some evidence of on the clock campaigning and you’d have something.

  • Giffy

    @44 So people who work with Nickels think he doing a good job. That seems like a positive. Unless there was some kind of threat directed at them to donate, city employees have the same rights as the rest of us to participate in the political process using their own time and money.

    Find some evidence of on the clock campaigning and you’d have something.

  • Jessica

    @8: This is a link to an old article about the mayor’s strong opposition to the parks levy: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004336337_councilparks09m.html

    Council members noted at the time that it was one of the first instances in which a levy succeeded without strong support from the mayor.

  • Jessica

    @8: This is a link to an old article about the mayor’s strong opposition to the parks levy: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004336337_councilparks09m.html

    Council members noted at the time that it was one of the first instances in which a levy succeeded without strong support from the mayor.

  • Mass Transit Now

    Let’s get this straight…McGinn was COMPLETELY absent from the effort to get light rail passed in 2008. He was running the parks campaign! He did NOTHING to help pass the 56 mile expansion of light rail that will provide the true regional mass transit we have been waiting for. Yeah, maybe he helped defeat the roads and transit measure (it was actually the price tag and off-year election that killed it, not McGinn) but he didn’t lift a finger for the 2008 Mass Transit Now effort. You don’t get credit for something just by being associated with the Sierra Club. You have to DO something. Someone prove to me what he did and I will take it all back!!

  • Mass Transit Now

    Let’s get this straight…McGinn was COMPLETELY absent from the effort to get light rail passed in 2008. He was running the parks campaign! He did NOTHING to help pass the 56 mile expansion of light rail that will provide the true regional mass transit we have been waiting for. Yeah, maybe he helped defeat the roads and transit measure (it was actually the price tag and off-year election that killed it, not McGinn) but he didn’t lift a finger for the 2008 Mass Transit Now effort. You don’t get credit for something just by being associated with the Sierra Club. You have to DO something. Someone prove to me what he did and I will take it all back!!

  • Mickymse

    As a local politico/transit activist who spent countless conversations being told by folks that I had to support Roads+Transit or we would get NOTHING, I can say with confidence that Mike was a significant public figure who said No to that kind of thinking and convinced folks that we could come back after a defeat to pass a Transit-only measure.

  • Mickymse

    As a local politico/transit activist who spent countless conversations being told by folks that I had to support Roads+Transit or we would get NOTHING, I can say with confidence that Mike was a significant public figure who said No to that kind of thinking and convinced folks that we could come back after a defeat to pass a Transit-only measure.

  • Mass Transit Now

    @55 Doesn’t sound like he actually DID anything to help pass the measure in 2008 though. Talk is cheap folks! Action is how you get things done.

  • Mass Transit Now

    @55 Doesn’t sound like he actually DID anything to help pass the measure in 2008 though. Talk is cheap folks! Action is how you get things done.

  • Christi S.
  • Christi S.
  • Polar Bears against Prop 1

    dear city emlpoyees:

    we know you have legal rights to donate. we also what he did to pass it was to help strip the shitty roads component from it so that when we passed it is was actually a pro transit measure not a backwards looking autos dominated earth killing sprawl inducing congestion enhancing measure.

  • Polar Bears against Prop 1

    dear city emlpoyees:

    we know you have legal rights to donate. we also what he did to pass it was to help strip the shitty roads component from it so that when we passed it is was actually a pro transit measure not a backwards looking autos dominated earth killing sprawl inducing congestion enhancing measure.

  • eddiew

    trevor at 22: it is about the opportunity cost of the state funds: they can only be spent once. the state contribution for the eight AWV replacement options that came from the gas tax would be somewhat subject to the 18th amendment. the last one was termed surface, transit, and I-5. state funds were targeted to the surface roads. (Drago even said the state would have paid for the Central Line streetcar on 1st Avenue; was the rationale to make up for foregone capacity?). under the deep bore option (a nineth), all the available state funds (and more from tolling?) will be needed for the tunnel (and AWV demolition) and city funds will have to do the surface streets and dreamy streetcar. The $930m includes utility relocation, the seawall, and all the surface streets. the latter includes the second phase of Mercer and could have been covered by state funds from the gas tax. and, what happens if the deep bore cost estimate is more than $2.8 billion? all for pass through traffic. the deep bore leaves no funds for I-5. yes, getting anything through Olympia is difficult. there are parallels between the AWV and SR-520 mega projects.

  • eddiew

    trevor at 22: it is about the opportunity cost of the state funds: they can only be spent once. the state contribution for the eight AWV replacement options that came from the gas tax would be somewhat subject to the 18th amendment. the last one was termed surface, transit, and I-5. state funds were targeted to the surface roads. (Drago even said the state would have paid for the Central Line streetcar on 1st Avenue; was the rationale to make up for foregone capacity?). under the deep bore option (a nineth), all the available state funds (and more from tolling?) will be needed for the tunnel (and AWV demolition) and city funds will have to do the surface streets and dreamy streetcar. The $930m includes utility relocation, the seawall, and all the surface streets. the latter includes the second phase of Mercer and could have been covered by state funds from the gas tax. and, what happens if the deep bore cost estimate is more than $2.8 billion? all for pass through traffic. the deep bore leaves no funds for I-5. yes, getting anything through Olympia is difficult. there are parallels between the AWV and SR-520 mega projects.

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    I am getting tired of hearing from Peter Steinbrueck, really, who the fuck cares what he thinks about this race. He chose to stay out, and yet he’s getting more ink than actual candidates.
    Was he expecting people to draft him, or something?
    Really, run, or stfu

  • http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ Mr. Baker

    I am getting tired of hearing from Peter Steinbrueck, really, who the fuck cares what he thinks about this race. He chose to stay out, and yet he’s getting more ink than actual candidates.
    Was he expecting people to draft him, or something?
    Really, run, or stfu

  • Dj

    Steinbrueck has become a weird creepy groupy…. i mean really.

  • Dj

    Steinbrueck has become a weird creepy groupy…. i mean really.

  • Mass Transit Now

    @58 I guess polar bears who don’t like light rail can’t spell. But from what I remember the bears from up north were out in force behind Prop. 1 in 2008. And McGinn was nowhere to be seen!
    But who was there? Mayor Nickels, who convinced his fellow board members and got the measure on the ballot, who raised the money for the campaign, who put the work in during the campaign, and who can legitimately take credit for its success.

  • Mass Transit Now

    @58 I guess polar bears who don’t like light rail can’t spell. But from what I remember the bears from up north were out in force behind Prop. 1 in 2008. And McGinn was nowhere to be seen!
    But who was there? Mayor Nickels, who convinced his fellow board members and got the measure on the ballot, who raised the money for the campaign, who put the work in during the campaign, and who can legitimately take credit for its success.

  • kurisu

    @63 Go ahead and criticize McGinn for working on the parks levy (which passed overwhelmingly despite Nickels). Then give Nickels credit for Mass Transit Now, which came into existence despite Greg Nickels’ support for roads and transit (McGinn believed the polling numbers that showed transit-only would pass). People like Nickels said it couldn’t be done. I guess he did the impossible.

  • kurisu

    @63 Go ahead and criticize McGinn for working on the parks levy (which passed overwhelmingly despite Nickels). Then give Nickels credit for Mass Transit Now, which came into existence despite Greg Nickels’ support for roads and transit (McGinn believed the polling numbers that showed transit-only would pass). People like Nickels said it couldn’t be done. I guess he did the impossible.

  • J David

    @62 – You’re right – Michael McGinn did not work on the second Prop 1 measure. As you point out, he was working on the Parks Levy, a time consuming effort, especially given the mayor’s opposition. I think the point here is that he, and others, had the wisdom to point out that the first was deeply flawed and that voters would support a transit bill that was decoupled from roads. This doesn’t take away from the efforts of everyone (including yourself, I assume) that got the second bill passed. I’ll take this chance to thank you – it was a herculean effort to turn around in a year and get the second passed. Nice work! But that’s not really the issue at task. This debate centers around the question of judgement and political instinct – something this election really hinges on. McGinn had it, others didn’t.

  • J David

    @62 – You’re right – Michael McGinn did not work on the second Prop 1 measure. As you point out, he was working on the Parks Levy, a time consuming effort, especially given the mayor’s opposition. I think the point here is that he, and others, had the wisdom to point out that the first was deeply flawed and that voters would support a transit bill that was decoupled from roads. This doesn’t take away from the efforts of everyone (including yourself, I assume) that got the second bill passed. I’ll take this chance to thank you – it was a herculean effort to turn around in a year and get the second passed. Nice work! But that’s not really the issue at task. This debate centers around the question of judgement and political instinct – something this election really hinges on. McGinn had it, others didn’t.

  • Polar Bears Against Prop 1

    @62 Nickels was for the huge roads and transit roads bill. Not change. Not green.

    Nickels is for the huge $4billion autos tunnel.
    Not change. Not green.

    Nickels is for the $200 million Mercer boulevardization. Not change, not green, sucks up all the money for peds and bikes and transit.

    What’s Nickels for? A new Pedestrian plan. Wow. Look on the back page and here’s the plan:

    to continue to spend the measly $10 million a year we’re already spending.

    Not even a recommendation to increase funding for peds or transit.

    We’re cutting Metro and he’s for a multi billion dollar auto highway in a tunnel.

    He had to be slapped down by the voters on the roads and transit measure.

    Stop lecturing people who tell the truth and go back to your job at the city or if after 5 pm at the campaign, ok?

  • Polar Bears Against Prop 1

    @62 Nickels was for the huge roads and transit roads bill. Not change. Not green.

    Nickels is for the huge $4billion autos tunnel.
    Not change. Not green.

    Nickels is for the $200 million Mercer boulevardization. Not change, not green, sucks up all the money for peds and bikes and transit.

    What’s Nickels for? A new Pedestrian plan. Wow. Look on the back page and here’s the plan:

    to continue to spend the measly $10 million a year we’re already spending.

    Not even a recommendation to increase funding for peds or transit.

    We’re cutting Metro and he’s for a multi billion dollar auto highway in a tunnel.

    He had to be slapped down by the voters on the roads and transit measure.

    Stop lecturing people who tell the truth and go back to your job at the city or if after 5 pm at the campaign, ok?

  • Sirk

    I figure the defining issue is the AWV replacement, and McGinn a leader because he opposes the Deep-bore tunnel, which IMO is another fiasco.

    The Deep-bore tunnel only handles Aurora-bound traffic. The remainder, about 40,000 Ballard-bound vehicles will be diverted to surface streets, mainly the new Alaskan Way, about 2500 vehicles ‘per hour’. Even half this much additional traffic there will produce bumper-to-bumper gridlock all day long.

    The best tunnel option is the 4-lane Cut-n-Cover, WsDOT’s Scenario ‘G’ or some variation thereof because it maintains access for Ballard-bound traffic. It will have far less construction disruption than the voter rejected “6-lane” Cut-n-Cover tunnel mainly because the AWV can be left in place up til the last year or so for constructing the Lower Belltown segment.

    There’s no avoiding the huge mess of removing the AWV, rebuilding the seawall and Alaskan Way. The 4-lane Cut-n-Cover tunnel is manageable, costs about $1 billion less, and is a better finished product. The streetcar line could be reinstalled.

    All we need is some brave candidate making the case for putting the 4-lane Cut-n-Cover option back on the table.

  • Sirk

    I figure the defining issue is the AWV replacement, and McGinn a leader because he opposes the Deep-bore tunnel, which IMO is another fiasco.

    The Deep-bore tunnel only handles Aurora-bound traffic. The remainder, about 40,000 Ballard-bound vehicles will be diverted to surface streets, mainly the new Alaskan Way, about 2500 vehicles ‘per hour’. Even half this much additional traffic there will produce bumper-to-bumper gridlock all day long.

    The best tunnel option is the 4-lane Cut-n-Cover, WsDOT’s Scenario ‘G’ or some variation thereof because it maintains access for Ballard-bound traffic. It will have far less construction disruption than the voter rejected “6-lane” Cut-n-Cover tunnel mainly because the AWV can be left in place up til the last year or so for constructing the Lower Belltown segment.

    There’s no avoiding the huge mess of removing the AWV, rebuilding the seawall and Alaskan Way. The 4-lane Cut-n-Cover tunnel is manageable, costs about $1 billion less, and is a better finished product. The streetcar line could be reinstalled.

    All we need is some brave candidate making the case for putting the 4-lane Cut-n-Cover option back on the table.

  • Sirk

    More notes on the 4-lane Cut-n-Cover:

    In the last year of construction, AWV traffic is diverted via Broad Street, to a probably permanent (and desirable) bridge over the railroad tracks onto Alaskan Way and enters the completed tunnel at Pike. AWV removal begins and then Alaskan Way rebuilt. The seawall is mostly done.

    The trench is built in 2-block segments starting from the south. Regular Alaskan Way traffic is directed around the trench under the AWV and returned to the surface above completed tunnel segments. Excavation debris is removed via the tunnel to the south. The seawall is rebuilt at the same time. This is a manageable construction process that the Waterfront District can survive.

  • Sirk

    More notes on the 4-lane Cut-n-Cover:

    In the last year of construction, AWV traffic is diverted via Broad Street, to a probably permanent (and desirable) bridge over the railroad tracks onto Alaskan Way and enters the completed tunnel at Pike. AWV removal begins and then Alaskan Way rebuilt. The seawall is mostly done.

    The trench is built in 2-block segments starting from the south. Regular Alaskan Way traffic is directed around the trench under the AWV and returned to the surface above completed tunnel segments. Excavation debris is removed via the tunnel to the south. The seawall is rebuilt at the same time. This is a manageable construction process that the Waterfront District can survive.